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>>34429953

Links for /PSG/
>Group calc program
http://www.ontargetshooting.com/
>Ballistic calc and chart
http://www.jbmballistics.com/cgi-bin/jbmtraj-5.1.cgi
>Turret/ milling/ basic windage/ basic drop/ Practice
http://www.shooterready.com/lrsdemo.html
>Data books
http://www.scout.com/military/snipers-hide/forums/5539-diy/13433967-d-i-y-data-books

>Basic forum work
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rLfYLM48Ms [Embed]

>Glass basics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVF2pdHbX1M [Embed]

>Sniper 101 link for the lazy crowd.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwG-D0HjCBQ [Embed]


> Math suggestions to get you on target
http://www.millettsights.com/resources/shooting-tips/mathematics-for-precision-shooters/

>Blank dope book

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1S4g3GGWc_ZrLoRyxGRso5bMPRpHaAmyxvtIVj_INddI/edit?usp=sharing
>Pathsofglory's fap page
http://precisionrifleblog.com/

http://precisionrifleblog.com/2014/09/19/tactical-scopes-field-test-results-summary/

>>34429953
Rim fire is a great option for starting real percision shooting, Pushing 17 hmr and .22lr out to 200 yards gives you enough to really start understanding whats going on with your rounds down range, and doesn't break the bank.

Caliber wise it really depends on exactly what you're doing and how far you wanna push your self, .338lap is a great round, but it's costly and not the most user friendly imo.

Rifle wise, lots of people suggest savage, but honestly they have a shorter life span than say a Tikka or a Remington

>Reminton sucks
Yes, so do most other factory rifles, aftermarket is king in the LRPS game.

Glass wise i've had good luck with SWFA personally, and would suggest it to anyone looking to pick the sport up, that being said there are other options.

Again, just my .02. Welcome to the money pit.

>>34430109
Thx for the links.

>>34429953
https://westernrifleshooters.blogspot.com/2010/07/guerrilla-sniper-rifle-project_22.html

I think this might help.

>>34430166
I've got a 10/22 and an ar already, but I didnt really count them. I can see generally, especially with the .22 where the rounds start to drop I'd that's what you mean.

And I didn't mean to say remington sucks in general, just that the rifle I used, and the glass in particular was pretty unforgiving.

>>34430271

The 10/22 has large aftermarket support and would be a fine rifle to build a trainer on.

The bit about Remington was more for the rest of the folks reading, /k/ hates Remington it seems.

first link i could find for 10/22 build
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqNAvjODQRo

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I've got a 338, had a 308 and also currently have a 6.5 Creedmoor. There is no reason to get a 338LM if you're not shooting beyond 1,000yds. You want a flat shooting rifle that has enough oomph to see/hear the impact, doesn't eat up barrels, and recoils the smallest amount possible.

Cost wise for 6.5CM:
$0.25 for 140gr RDF
$0.13 for 42gr of RL-16
$1.10 for Lapua brass (15+ reuses?)
$0.035 for primer

338LM is $1/shot with 300gr SMK, Lapua brass ($3/case), H1000 (82-92gr). Out of a 17lb rifle with a huge as fuck brake, the recoil still pulls you off target and you will not be able to spot your shots. I can watch hits with 6.5CM at 400 yards (24x) and shoot 200rds in a day without getting beat up by it.

tldr;

>Rifle:
Savage 10-FCP/SR, Savage 10T-SR, Tikka CTR T3x, Bergara, Howa barreled action all in 6.5CM with 24" barrel (don't do a 20").

>Glass:
SWFA SS 10x, Primary Arms Mildot 4-14x44 mrad, Vortex PST 6-24x50 ebr-2c mrad, Vortex PST Gen2 5-25x50 ebr-2c mrad.

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>>34430205
I was interested in more of a sport shooting kind of rifle rather than tactical/shtf kind of gun but still interesting, thanks.

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Im trying to get into it and just recently purchased a Tikka T3x Tac A1 with 6.5CM. Its my first ever rifle/gun and can honestly say i love it. I got an Athlon Helios BTR Mil dot scope 6-24x50 and hav absolutely no problem seeing the target at 300 Yards. I cant wait to go longer but all the ranges around me here in IL that are above 300 are club only and ya need to know somebody to get in. Even then the longest here that i have seen is 600 yards.

Tikka T3x Tac A1
Athlon Helios BTR 6-24x50
Seekins 1.26" Extra High Rings
Atlas BT10-LW17 V8 Bi-pod

Again for a first time shooter i love it.

>>34430465
I love the set up. Is the stock sturdy/comfortable? And what kind of distances do you take it out to?

>>34430546

Sturdy yes, Comfortable that depends. When on a bench its manageable but i might not have it adjusted right yet. only put 125 rounds down range so far. However when prone yes the butt is is comfortable.

With the folding stock, when it is folded it does wiggle a little so there is some concern about eventual wear/scratch marks. but when locked it is rock solid

So far 300 Yards since that is the longest around here that isnt "invite only club"

>>34429953
http://sniperflashcards.com/tactics.php

This might help too with long range shooting.

>>34430465
>Its my first ever rifle/gun

hell of a first choice anon, you did good

>>34430465
Nice. How tight do the legs lock up on that bipod?

>>34430337
Fantastic write-up. Savage 10 FLCP-SR in .308 (doesn't come in 6.5 for lefties).

Leupold Mark 4 LR/T on clearance.

Lots of fun.

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I am the wrong person to be posting here, because I kind of started off long distance shooting on the wrong rifle, so I am very biased.

>>34430337
This guy is exactly right. The 338 is basically chambered in $5 bills and it goes through a barrel about every 1000 rounds.

I would suggest .308. It's very common, and not too bad for price. Even hand loaded stuff is pretty reasonable.

My " daily ( over 5k rounds through mine now ) shooter " is a little bit older AI AE MKII. The MKI, 2's and 3's can be had for VERY reasonable. They are probably one of the best, if not THE best " factory " rifle you're going to find. I have shot 5R's, SAKO's and some other nice guns. But the AI is just in a class of it's own. It's pricey. When you get it though, you don't have to worry about it fucking up.

Pic related.

>>34430465
>>34430546

Just looked up a review on youtube and saw that it was compatible with AR stocks. Holy fuck literally perfect.

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I'm not /psg/ but I am retarded and would appreciate some help with glass.
Would this be acceptable for a Tikka T3x in 7mm rem mag?

>>34431860
Cost? Ive never heard of the brand bur ive been out of the game for a bit

>>34431981
679 USD, exact same as the rifle.
Brand is new but reviews are all favorable for their scopes and binoculars as far as I could find.

I recently shot 1000 yards for the first time, used a .300win mag that was pretty beaten up but still did ok, but I then used 6.5CM such a good round for target, so much that I'm considering buying one over a .308 (been putting cash away for an AI in .308).
I'd highly recommended buying something in 6.5CM, its pretty cheap, accurate and has very low recoil.

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>>34430465
Very nice anon.

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>>34430465
I read that 6.5 creed chews up barrels slightly faster than a .308 will. I also read that you might get slightly more than 2k shots out of it before serious accuracy degradation occurs. Obviously, that's a fuckload of money and if you can afford to shoot it that much, then the cost of the barrel would be nothing in comparison. My question is, where would you even go to get replacement barrels for a tikka like this when the time comes? Preferably still with muzzle threads? After all it's not exactly as common as a 700 which everyone and their grandma makes barrels for.

>>34431718
I thought about .308, but I'm an autist who only likes to have 1 gun in each rifle caliber (shotguns and handguns are different), and I already have plans for a scar. The reason for this, I feel, is that if I had a .308 bolt action and a .308 scar let's say, I'd end up just picking a favorite while the other gathered dust.

>>34430465
How many picatinny slots does that bipod take up?

>>34429953
Learning how to shoot long range with .338 lap isn't a bright idea. You need a flat-shooting low-recoil rifle that can take you up to maybe 800 yards thats cheap to shoot. If you handload, the cost of .338 might not be that bad, but once you start wearing out barrels, it will be no bueno. Get a 6.5 swede or as the other guy recommends, creedmore. Get a decently cheap rifle and learn how to use it, then buy a race gun (such as a .338) otherwise you're probably not going to be able to take advantage.

You're probably not going to outshoot a rem 700 at the start anyway.

>>34430465
WHAT GRIP IS THAT?

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Just got my LTR back from ATRS, they put in a Timney Calvin Elite trigger in and did the bolt knob.

Trying out the Magpul stock for fun, cheapest way to run mags and I like the adjustable LOP and cheek risers

Glass is Vortex Viper PST 4-16

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I'm in the market for a precision rifle, and yesterday I went to the local Bass Pro (Yeah, yeah...) and fingerfucked a Tikka T3 (felt great), a Browning X3 (also felt pretty good) and some low-weight Kimber garbage that the salesman was pushing (action felt like shit, apparently it "gets better after I run a box of ammo through it").

Anyways, I'm eyeing the Tikka right now, but someone recommended I consider a Howa as well. Are they right, or is the Tikka the way to go?

>Hard Mode: Is the Browning X3 competitive with the Tikka?

>>34434325
Tikka are great, less aftermarket but good shooters

Look at Savage as well, you can easily replace the barrels without a lot of gunsmithing costs if you plan to really get into it

http://www.longrangehunting.com/articles/savage-tactical-rifle-project-1.php

>>34432392
there's certainly nothing wrong with that especially when you reload your own ammo.
I currently have a Rem700 in .308 and am buying all my reloading equipment. Kinda wish I would have chosen a different caliber like 6.5 Creedmore, .260 Rem, or 7mm-08.

All my family and friends use 6.5mm bullets so I want to be a snowflake and get 7mm-08 for my next rifle. It has a high bc so I would imagine it be a good option for long range shooting. Bullet weights are similar to .308 as well so could also be a good option for hunting if you wanted to hunt. Does anyone here use 7mm-08? is it a good option for long range precision shooting?

>>34433814
i have a rem 700 sps varmint and want to change out the stock. Whats the quality on the magpul? Also how much did it cost to thread and attach the bolt knob?

>>34432387
The "2k rounds and caput" myth is just that. It'll last almost as long as a .308 will. It's only a medium velocity rifle round shooting rather take bullet weights. The magic of 6.5 is the bullet designs themselves, but understanding that requires more brain power than alot of the people espousing the myth have to part with.

The biggest most obvious drawback is price. While match grade .308 and basically any 6.5cm factory loads are going to be comparably priced, there's no such thing as garbage 6.5cm. it's all match ammo, so you're going to spend more on ammo as a rule, but at least you're getting what you paid for

>>34434794
seems pretty decent for the price

paid $120CAD for the knob including install

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>>34434913
>>34434794

other side

whats recommended for scopes in long range shooting? Would like to spend ~$700-1000. I have been looking at the Vortex Viper PSTs FFP. Any suggestions on something better in price range? I also found these NightForce scopes around the $1200. Is it better to just save up another $250 or is the Vortex good enough?

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/2268269262/nightforce-shv-f1-rifle-scope-30mm-tube-4-14x-50mm-first-focal-side-focus-illuminated-matte

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/2268130016/nightforce-shv-rifle-scope-30mm-5-20x-56mm-side-focus-zeroset-matte

>>34434919
looks pretty nice. I found a place on ebay that would thread the bolt knob for ~$50 + whatever the knob you want costs.
Also thinking about getting my barrel threaded which would be $130 more... should have just bought a Tikka T3 CTR lol. It costs more up front but at least it comes standard with everything i wanted.

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To what sort of ranges can I expect reliable precision out of a SCAR 16S? I've read about professionally badass SOF motherfuckers taking ragheads down at ~700 yards with M4s, is this a reasonable "precision shooting" goal or 50% luck and 50% exaggeration?
Also robust optic suggestions for 0-(your answer here) yards would be very much appreciated.

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question about muzzle brakes: I'm looking for one that is relatively inexpensive but also effective. How is the M4-72 by Precision Armament? Also im not really sure if I would have to alter my rifle in any way besides just removing the thread cover and screwing the brake on. The rifle im buying this for is a Savage 10 BA Stealth in .308 like pic related if that helps at all.

>>34435075
i think you also have to "time" it which means to make sure it's properly aligned. I think they come with washers so and you can add however many you need to get aligned. I may be completely wrong on this though.

I've been looking at surefire's muzzle brakes for my rifle
$105 - able to use with SF's suppressors/warden
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/126635/surefire-socom-muzzle-brake-suppressor-adapter-lr-308-5-8-24-thread-steel-matte

$53 - same brake but w/out suppressor compatibility
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/876855/surefire-procomp-762-muzzle-brake-lr-308-5-8-24-thread-steel-matte

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>>34435075
>>34435143
Perhaps not surprisingly, the muzzle brake market sells a giant load of snake oil and most muzzle brakes work about as well as the next with some exceptions. Check the link and pic related to give you an idea of what I mean. Generally speaking, unless you get a straight up meme-teir comp performance will be roughly equitable. I personally have a JP competition slim and love it. I prefer the less flashy, pragmatic compensators to the more rediculous high speed designs, but some people like the Gucci look and honestly the difference in performance isn't enough to throw a fit over.

Bottom line, you aren't shooting yourself in the foot by going cheaper

>>34435015
>5.56
>precision
"No."
Those niggas were full of shit.

>>34435231
the reason I'm looking at surefire is more because i like the look than anything else lol. Thanks for sharing the chart though.

Also by chance do you know home much the side blast is on a .308 using a muzzle brake? in terms of affecting the shooter next to me.

>>34435306
Well, it'll depend on the load you're shooting and barrel length. That being said, it's common courtesy to either choose a bench well away from other shooters or barring that let them to know to expect it. That will definitely go for any .308. most people are chill so long as you warn them

>>34435477
I normally go with my brother, cousin, or a few friends so it would be them getting blasted. I don't want to ruin their shooting though. There's a 99.9% chance im going to go with the SureFire that has the attachment feature and I will prob add the Warden so help with side blast if it's an issue for the people on my sides.

I was once next to a guy with a .338 lapua magnum and that blast was ridiculous.

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>>34430166
>Again, just my .02. Welcome to the money pit.
Seriously fuck this. Try to make a "basic" precision rifle and 3 grand later it's starting to look alright.

>>34430205
That's the older one haven't looked at it in a bit, thanks for the reminder of it.
http://westernrifleshooters.blogspot.com/2010/07/bracken-cw2-cube-mapping-meta-terrain.html

/PSG/ Thought you guys might like this haven't looked through all the vids yet.

Long Range Shooters of Utah, LLC
https://www.youtube.com/user/buryceberg/playlists

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>>34435015
No it isn't. At least not consistantly. IF they were getting hits at that range, they were fighting the wind like crazy and they had to deal with significant drop.

>>34434936
Just save for what you really want. If you need a scope and need it NOW (you don't), then you'd have already bought one.

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>>34434821
That's good to know. But the question still remains, where to go to get tikka rebarreled?

Hey anons

Deciding between 2 scopes but open to other suggestions in the same price range ~1000$

Viper pst gen 2
2-10x32 FFP
3-15x44 FFP

I will be using this for long range classes not exceeding 1200yds

Rifle is a generic rem 700 sps heavy contour 1:10 .308 on an xlr element chassis. Plan is to eventually shoot the barrel out with these classes and then decide what stock and barrel configuration i like. I have the chassis just because it was free from a buddy, and it eliminates the need for bedding a stock and such and i can use mags.

Im leaning toward the 2-10x, but would like opinions.

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Thoughts on ruger American?

>>34436698
this might be a dumb question but why would you go for a 10 or 15 max optic? Is that good enough for 1200yds? Couldn't you get the Viper PST Gen 2 5-25x for that price?

>>34436768
once you get past about 12x you run into distortion issues like mirage and such, and the eyebox starts moving around when not completely still.

This is an issue with most scopes. Now if were talking top tier schmidt and bender level hardware, its gonna be good. But for most scopes under 1500, anything above 15x is going to be not so great to use in the field and classes.

Realistically, you only need a 10x for 1000 yds.

>>34436698
bump

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I just picked up my Tikka T3x CTR in 308. I absolutely love this gun. First shot out of the barrel was high and left, made my adjustments to zero at 200 yards, next 19 shot in separate 3 round strings went into a nice little 1.12" hole. I can't wait to see what this will do with my hand loads.

>>34432387
>>34436374
Patriot Valley Arms makes prefits that you can put on with a nut wrench and a go-gauge. $550 with a threaded muzzle and there's lots of reports of them being < 1/2 MOA. If you want to do traditional route, any competent gunsmith will do it.

>>34436890
Sure, if you're going for 5 MOA targets then 10x may work. Plenty of scopes under $1500 can do 25x without being shit. This isn't the 90's anymore.

>>34431718
Wasn't that rifle discontinued? Where can I find one these days?

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>>34437597
PST Gen II 5-25 is pretty fantastic for under $1500. I have the 3-15 on my rifle, but I've played with the 5-25. I love the reticle on these too.

>>34435015

Don't listen to these idiots here. Its a precision rifle thread so don't expect any unbiased opinions.

When I was in the Marines we were hitting man sized silhouettes with the M16A4. We had to do it offhand, sitting down on an ammo can, and prone.

I was able to consistently score hits on those man sized targets with Iron sights. And I did it as a POG with barely any training.

So i can definitely see a SOF guy with some fine tuned M4 doing it a bit further. Of course, not with much precision but for combat still possible.

Though to be honest. Perhaps I had it easier since my rifle was a 20 inch barrel as opposed to the 14, 16, or even 10 inch barrel they might be carrying.

>>34438052

My dumbass forgot to mention I did all this at 500 yards.

Again, precision is measured differently in every gun. 600 to 700 yard shots with a 5.56 is precision shooting.

>>34429953
>remington 700
memeshit.

atm and for the last 10 years or so, HOWA and Mossberg have been making the best bang for buck accuracy oriented bolt guns out there with great triggers. tikka is a meme that has nothing over a HOWA.

>.338 lapua

go with 6.5creed. hitting a target at 800m will feel as easy as hitting a target at 400m with 308.

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>>34438173
>Tikka is a meme that has nothing over HOWA

They are both very high performing rifles. Tikka has a smoother action and a better stock trigger. I wouldn't be calling it a "meme." I teetered between the the Tikka T3x CTR and The HOWA HCR for probably 2-3 weeks before I settled on the Tikka. I'm probably going to throw it into a MDT Tac21 chassis to get a nice low bore axis and call it done. I also just like to support Finland. I have family around there.

Anyone looking to build a good precision setup really can't go wrong with Tikka or Howa.

>>34438550
what you mention is subjective and does not justify the 2-3+ times price tag of the tikka over the howa. the howa action is smooth. ofc you can be a spastic like nutnfancy and jerk the bolt like a retard in an attempt to be fast and cool and thereby egg out any action - that however is not the rifle's fault. smooth and fast bolt action comes from deliberate and precise unlocking-pulling-pushing-locking (without resting your arm on the open bolt etc.) of the bolt that's not utter garbage..

>>34430969
thx

>>34434936
those scopes are expensive

>>34437516
good shooting
awesome rifle - you done good

>>34438675
I don't know where you're finding Tikkas for 2-3x the price of Howa. I'm looking at 1500's and the T3x's and they're about the same price. The Howa tactical precision rifle was about $1k and so is the Tikka CTR which is their "tactical" precision rifle. I paid a tad more for stainless and I made it out after taxes and all that jazz at $1150.

And on action smoothness, it's not about being "fast" it just feels better. It's like working an Enfield bolt and then working a Krag bolt. The Krag is buttery smooth in comparison. I'd much rather feel that all day.

>>34435075
I've been satisfied with my VG6 gamma