RETRO AR THREAD

>>34426105

Where'd you get an unfenced lower?

>>34427770
NDS

>>34426105
Any place that has M16A1 part kits in stock in half-decent shape?

>>34426105
I have a purple AR lower made by Palmetto Armory. Not PSA, but Palmetto Armory. What can you tell me about it?

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>>34426105
Needs refinishing.

>>34428818
http://shop.ar15sport.ihoststores.com/productinfo_v3.aspx?productid=RET-COLT-A1
I go here for parts.
average retro build is about $1200 so this isn't too bad of a deal.

>>34429342
nice.

>>34429353
Woah, you only need the receiver if you buy that? Sweet.

When are they going to be back in stock?

>>34429330
posts pics. especially the inside where the FCG is located.

>>34429395
keep checking the site. they seem to restock when they promise to.

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So, I have a NoDak lower just sitting here.

I need to put it together, goddamnit.

what's the differences between an a1 and an a2 rear sight? i've used an a2 but not an a1. everyone i talk to about building a carry handle ar always says to build an a1 over an a2.

>>34429837
Major difference is that A2 rear sights are adjustable for elevation and have a big knob on the right hand side for windage adjustment. A1 sights are simply adjustable for windage.

>>34429837
For the A1 rear sight, you push down a plunger and rotate the windage drum left or right to adjust for windage. Not as easy as the A2's knob but will be very hard to mess up your rear sight's zero.

>>34429837
Marine Corps wanted an adjustable rear sight because they're still stuck thinking that Camp Perry is relevant. Army wasn't happy about it, but Congress told them to shut the fuck up and adopt a new version of the rifle together, even though the Army didn't like most of the features (sight, burst, retardo barrel profile).

Basically, the Marines are idiots.

>>34429837
The reason /k/ shits on the A2 is cause back in '86 the Army published a report that criticized some of it's features, even though in the end they didn't change anything on the A2.

>>34429919
the a2 is objectively inferior to the a1 unless you're a target shooter.

>>34429856

The thing that people like about A1 sights is the windage can only be changed by poking on a detent with a tool or bullet.

The A1s two rear apertures also have a different relationship than on the A2. Irrc the unmarked aperture was used for 0-300 meters and the one marked "L" was intended be used beyond that.

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>>34428769
>that 9 month wait time

>>34429944
I just like the A2 more because it looks cooler than the A1 IMO.

>>34429948
The rear sight's 'S' aperature was zeroed for 250 m, the 'L' was 450 m

>>34429475
Can't do that sorry, just tell me what you know about them.

>>34429955

for real my dude, I want a retro ar so bad

>>34429955
the proper way to do it is to start with a 80% lower anyway, then you get it engraved the way it should be.

>>34426105
How are brownell a1 lowers? I bought one when they where in stock a couple of weeks ago

>>34430714
Brownells doesn't make their own lowers, they get them from either NoDak Spud or McKay Enterprises

>>34428810
this is fucking drool worthy!

I recently put together an A1, and there's quite a bit of side-to-side play with the rear peep. How much is normal? Should I put a washer in it?

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>>34426105
Y'all better not post incorrect clones.
Pic is my a2 close
Custom lazered lower with Colt engravings
Mill spec trigger with the gritty 8lb pull.

>>34429342
>A2 grip
>Later style flash hider
Fix that shit anon.

>>34429564
>A2 lower

>>34428810
Damn
That pleases me

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This is my dream retro build.

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>>34431082
>A2 lower

I have an A1 lower. I'm just lazy and haven't built it yet.

>>34430251
If I remember my history right the Palmetto Armory lowers were built by the predecessor of Olympic Arms back in the late 1970's. They're a perfectly functional lower and one of if not the first commercial aftermarket AR-15 lowers. I briefly had a billet Palmetto Armory lower that I promptly sold to someone in a ban state because it was a pre-ban and therefore made of goddamn diamonds. It had fairly rough machining but it was an A1 pattern lower and worked fine.

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>>34431308
They're definitely interesting looking. They were made between 1979 and 1982. It was angular compared to the standard AR-15 receiver, but that's to be expected since they were one of the few (if not the only) company making AR-15 lowers outside of Colt.

>>34431129

I hope you blue it instead

>>34430343
Is there anyone who even offers 80% a1 lowers or machines a2s down to a1s?

>>34431724
Of course I would. That pic was a real example that was exported to some jungle shithole.

>>34431738
http://www.nodakspud.com/AR%20Lowers.htm

>>34431064
>Y'all better not post incorrect clones
Posts incorrect clone. Has all the finish on it, handguards arent taped on, missing that little black sticker with the qr code thing, improper magazine, no zero markings, no web sling.
It's like youre not even trying anon.

>>34431308
>>34431666
Thanks guys, sorry I can't actually show you the lower, but trust me there's a good reason I don't want a picture of it on the internet.

>>34431666
Also, same guy, but that is exactly my lower except mines purple.

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>>34426105
Here's my abomination diemaco.

>>34433023
Just abomination

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I need a proper colored trigger guard and a proper selector.

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>>34432992

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>tfw you just want a lower with SAFE SEMI AUTO/BURST for A4 clone build but don't want to pay jewey high prices of nodak or spikes.

>>34428810
>601
>missing hole in takedown pin
>missing hole in selector
Hm, you tried

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>>34432992

>>34431082
Birdcage was used in nam, not sure why people spurg out about it.

>>34434036
The A1 birdcage was slotted all the way around, the A2 birdcade is closed at the bottom.

>>34434036
Yea, the A1 birdcage. At least he didn't call it a 603 clone and stick a fucking 3 prong on it.

I got a real retro lower if yall wanna see it

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There.

I have a beat to fuck a1 lower (it was legitimatly in a fire) I want to built into something with 80s flavor but I can not stomach paying a premium to build out this fucked to death lower. Fun fact, previous owner took a grinder to it thinking he could file off the selector stops to make it full auto. second fun fact, when it was in a fire the fire investigator found it, saw the ground down lugs, and concluded it was a machine gun so this lower actually was seized, then return by the ATF.

So it's super fucked up but has a fun history. At any rate, I would love to just fund some used up fucked to death kit from a 70s or 80s AR but they seem hard to find.

>>34436528
Post pics

>>34430723
They're all NDS lowers.

>>34436528
post it

>>34437297
Meh. I'm at work right now but it's really nothing interesting. Just an old receiver with shitty finish and a few spots with grind marks. Being in a fire didn't really hurt it. Sitting in water did. All the steel pins and springs completely rusted away and has to be drilled out so their so some rust staining.

>>34437518
>>34437528
>>34437536
>>34437545

https://youtu.be/uAE6Il6OTcs intensifies

>>34431064
how do those custom markings look?

I recently have started profiling an A2 lower into a partial fence A1. Cutting out the reinforcements from the receiver extension will be nerve-wracking.

>>34431666
That's nifty as hell.

>>34430714
op here. I have two. one was purchased locally the other was ordered from Brownells directly.
the latter one is a "blem". the sales rep said there was a misspelled word on the right side of the receiver. who ever machined these receivers (not NDS) put the safe, fire markings on the right side. a true A1 is not marked on the right at all.
I paid $125.00 shipped for it so I'm not worried.

>>34433465
AR15sport.com for the trigger guard.
there is a seller on gunbroker selling correct selectors.

>>34437785
Yea.

Because Colt was pretty much the only game in town making AR-15s in the late 1970s/Early 1980s and the design was still patented, Palmetto Armory had to reverse engineer lower receivers, so they're not exactly in spec to the original design. Hence why they're angular.

Would anybody be willing to ship a Canadafag some furniture? Numrich is the only option but they rape us Syrupniggers on shipping, and don't ship flash hiders internationally because "fuck you that's why".

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not mine, obviously

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>>34437989

>>34437989
I've been wanting to put a carry handle on muh AR after the FAL made it look cool.

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>>34437995

>>34437849
We must have gotten ones from the same batch. Same issue on mine.

>>34437849
Who the fuck is retarded enough to do that.

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>>34438010

>>34438038
minimum wage workers

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>>34438039

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>>34438055
i thought i had more a1 pics but i guess i dont. last one

>>34434036
Because the autism of collectors can't quite fathom how much if a clusterfuck rollout was and how any number of Frankensteins were in Nam and the years following

>>34434046
>>34435205
That is an A1 you mongs, its a fucking Norinco A1. All he did was stick on M16A1 furniture.

I was at the range and my AR keeps lodging the bullet and casing at the chamber and I had to get a rod to get it dislodged... could it be a bad extractor?

>>34438046
sure kid. my builds average $1000- $1400 depending on the authenticity of the parts used.
the three receivers in my pic totaled $1000.
lets see your build.

>>34438038
money is no object poorfag

>>34439526
I was talking about the employee who fucked up the engraving, not you.

>>34439559
my apologies then.

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favorite retro carbine
>you will never be a operator in the 80's and 90's
it hurts

>>34439535
I wasn't even talking about you, I was talking about the retards that fucked up the engraving, but defend your shitty inferior purchase rather than buying a proper clone lower.

Where to buy correct new production small parts (fa, takedown pins etc)?

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Just finished this about 2 weeks ago. First AR build. I know it's not perfect because it has an A2 lower but it's mine and I love it. Refinished it myself.

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>>34432992

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>>34437643
Alright
They were done by a Lazer
I'll have to get something better next time.

>>34440492
op here. I purchase either new colt LPKs or lately its been SP1 LPKs from gunbroker.

>>34437785
Did you say that ironically because of his post number?

>>34437594
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40JmEj0_aVM

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C7 is retro, right guys?

>>34443219
I need just the upper so I can build a Survivalist's Rifle.

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>>34432992
Don't worry about it, anon, trust us with your pic.

I really want to see it, personally.

>>34442559
I didn't even notice he got Satan trips lel

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Building this... screw you a2 haters

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Got this for $50 off a friend.

Not *exactly* "retro" but I'm trying to make a pseudo xm177e2 out of it. The thing has the old "XM grey" finish, does anyone know where other than nodak I can get a matching lower and a car stock assembly? I've already got an A1 grip and can find a teardrop FA easily etc.

>>34440191
sounds like guns are out of your league.
here this is more your speed,
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Barbie-Malibu-Beach-Dream-House-RARE-2010-11-with-Accessories-Plus-Extra-/232361155134?hash=item3619cdda3e:g:MqcAAOSwIQdZNA2w

>>34441012
Where do you live anon? Looks beautiful

>>34443396
A2 carbines are cool too my dude

>>34443265
No one hates the A2 but it is irrefutable fact triangle handgaurds are the most aesthetic

>>34443265
Make sure it has a heavy barrel too.

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>>34443629

Yeah but the muzzle device is the only thing making this 16 inches and doesn't come close to resembling an A2, otherwise I would.

Hence why I'm trying to make something that kinda sorta at a glance looks like this. It's the most I can do with it.

>>34443840
I said "A2 carbines", which is what you are building, no? A2 SBR I guess would be more appropriate, but still.

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>>34443862

I thought you mean specifically something like these.

I'd like to SBR it but that's a lot more trouble than it's worth for me.

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>>34443906

Wew thanks photobucket.

>>34443914
>>34443906
Both the "M4 Carbine" style A2s, and SBR A2s are cool. Your XM177 lookalike is a cool idea.

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What's the cheapest way to build a retro AR?

pic related is my current AR, just don't look right over my Vietnam bag.

Want something full sized too. I don't care if it's A2 or A1 honestly, just want a 20 inch barrel, fixed stock and a carry handle. It doesn't need to be perfectly 100% historically accurate either. Just needs to shoot well and look like an M16.

>>34443956
Just get the mini triangle h andgaurds.

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>>34443840
my build.

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>>34444263

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>>34426105
Right now I'm bidding on a vintage colt 3x20 carry handle scope for my AR, if the price rises to the level of a modern red dot, should I just opt for the latter for practicality's sake?
It will go on my Troy XM177 clone

>>34444263
Very nice.

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>>34439944
Mah, nigga! Model 723 master race. I just need a C7 upper and I'll have a pretty decent clone.

>>34445808

Oh, it will. Those are very expensive and collectible.

I want to make a GAU-5/P / GUU-5/P clone. What's the best way of going about it?

>>34444263
>>34444272

Looks perfect.

Where'd you get your lower and stock?

>>34446063
>order NDS receiver set
>wait
>buy 12.5" barrel and GAU-5/XM177 style flash hider or 11.5" barrel and one of those extended flash hiders and get it permanently attached
>buy CAR furniture and standard everything else.

http://www.retroblackrifle.com/

>>34446063
>>34446130
Shit, just read ___/P just get a 14.5" barrel and an A2X and skip the fake moderator bullshit

>>34445949
I'm well aware, I was just unsure whether I would want to put 300-500 down on a scope from the 60's or if I would just be better off getting something like the M21 or a trijicon 4.5 red dot.

>>34446421
depends how much you care about historical accuracy/reenacting, vs straight up performance and value per dollar

>>34446118
upper and lower are NDS. ordered as set.
stock is bushmaster in pic it now has an essential arms with a NDS buffer tube.
original colts are too much money.

>>34446421
I bought one years ago. sold it almost immediately. very little eye relief.

>>34446495
>tfw your nodak lower feels like vaporware
six months since ordered

>>34437536
>you will never give less of a fuck as these guys
Fuck man

>>34446495

I figured.

Would you happen to have a link to the stock? All I've found for a milspec stock are these.
https://www.tonyscustomsllc.com/product/c-a-r-stock-aluminum/

https://www.mapartsinc.com/shop/details.asp?id=1464&iCat=21&iSubOne=397&iSubTwo=408

>>34446171
Barrel length depends on a balance of how much you care about it being historically accurate, being able to get a bullet up to speed, and how loud you are willing to tolerate.

>>34446421
Do you worry more about historical accuracy or actually shooting it?

>>34446448
>>34446511
>>34446657
Right now my bid is at 300, should I be outbid I suppose I'll likely order an M21 or maybe that trijicon red dot with a gooseneck mount.

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>>34426105
>RETRO AR
A TERROR

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>>34446845
>that gaping lioness pussy

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>>34446905

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>This thread
For real though I wanna make an M16A1 clone myself once I get myself an AR15

>>34428810
... is this a famas-charging retrofag AR15?

>>34447097
Some of the first AR designs used this charging handle, AFAIK it was the first wit the AR-10. I'm a little drunk right now though, so I could be wrong.

>>34443396
>https://www.tonyscustomsllc.com/product/c-a-r-stock-aluminum/
he also sells a polymer one for cheaper

>>34446636
I purchased them on gunbroker. I follower your links.
the tonyscustomsllc doesn't look too bad for the money.
the bushmaster and E. arms with NDS tube ran about $150 each. it might be worth it.

>>34447002
More ATF memes plz

>>34447305
I've bought those. cheaper is correct.

>>34447318
*followed your links*

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>>34447327
I just get them off google 2bh

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>>34448420

>>34431082
Bird cage flash hider is correct flash hider faggot. The duckbill isn't the only correct flash hider for that build.

> nicetryautist#notautisticenoughtho

>>34445808
You wont pay less than $400 for it I'll tell you that much.

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>>34447327

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>>34447327

hehe

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>>34443461
S.E Washington. It's honestly a pretty dead and ugly place but it has a few select pretty spots. Where I shoot happens to be one of them.

>>34450352
BCfag here. I drove through there recently and it made me depressed. West Washington is so much nicer, though I'm spoiled by mountains.

>>34431724
>>34431769

I didn't know aluminum could be blued.

>>34453846
anodized.

>>34426105
Some of these are now C&R eligible. According to Gun Jesus...
https://youtu.be/Jowv167KdbM
> early SP-1 rifles started becoming Curio & Relic qualified back in 2014. Right now in 2017, more than 10,000 C&R AR15s exist...

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A2lowerfags need to hang.

>>34443265
Enjoy hauling around your 13 pound rifle.

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>>34453077
It was really nice early spring. The crazy amounts of snow made the whole place green. Wish it stayed that way.

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>>34454541
Only thing worse it's fake reach numbers

>>34454574
I haven't seen any evidence of anyone on /k/ ever using an AR 15 for anything other than glamor shots and paper punching.

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>>34454854
>fake [rack] numbers
Do people do this

>>34454932
added markings just add to the authentic look, like crayon and chalk marks on restored cars. I'm okay with it...

>>34450352
looks like Yakima, visited from Ft Lewis for desert training a few times.

>>34432992
use photoshop to hide the third fcg pin

>>34428810
sex.

>>34431082
The pic is old-it currently has A1 grip. And the flash hider is correct.

>>34454854
Where can I find a bayonet like that?

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>>34426105

>>34443956
This. Looking to build one but I don't want to drop $500 into receivers

>>34457045
that guy kitbashed 2 bayonets together its not factory

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In with the unfenced.

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>>34445923
i took this off my stepdads AR15 because he wanted a flat top upper and now im stuck with it. if youre within the US i can try and sell it to you.

also i have no idea how selling things on 4chan works or how much its worth.

>>34457521
also forgive me if it takes a while to get back to you, its bed time and im tired as fuck and may forget by morning.

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>>34457521
Holy shit! Thanks anon. Shoot me an email at: [email protected]

What brand is it? I see the forge code.

>selling things on 4chan
I"ve done it a few times, always used Paypal. I prefer goods and services. I'll cover the 3% fee.

>>34450352
mmmm colombia river gorge. nice.

>>34457827
it's an anchor harvey forget C7 upper. I'd buy it too if i you didnt call dibs.

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>>34426105
Total cost of build under $800

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>>34455039
it's Tri-Cities area about an hour east from there.

>>34458691
Thanks senpai, it's in Finley, WA.

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>>34438055
that Bakelite is fantastic. Dose anyplace sell it at all?

>>34458766
super mega jelly rite now.

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>>34458766
Get some of this in Gray-Black flat, get a cheapo airbrush from harbor freight and put it on your black parts it REALLY helps. Also what bag is that and where can I get one? Also also where'd you get the bayonet and how much did it cost?

Mine was around $650 but I got some really good deals on some stuff.

>>34459547
Forgot my link
http://molyresin.com/shop/8oz/

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retro enough.

>>34458766
nice

Anyone have experience with Retro Arms Works?

http://retroarmsworks.com/Home/Gallery

It seems like they do good work.

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is there a functional diff between the a 1 and a2 bird cage? I'd assume the a1 kicks up alot more dust if youre prone at camp pendelton.