Does Australia have the most formidable military in the Asia-Pacific?

Japan?

>>34415157
>Does Australia have the most formidable military in the Asia-Pacific?

it ought to, it's the biggest country and fucking white. all in all though, the brown snakes, crocs, spiders and sharks are a much more formidable defense than the bogans in your pic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45JP45Z4lyQ

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>>34415157
That would be Jhina.

Downsides:
Small numbers of pretty much everything.
Not /much/ spending as other militaries, but enough to make it get the good shit it needs.

Positives:
Formidable
Gets shit done with what it has.
Not an offensive power but despite what it has a disposal; offers great defensive opportunities.
Some of the worlds greatest/ logistical troops.

In contrast to the Asian region, the only countries I'd consider troublesome would be China, Japan, S.Korea and /maybe/ Indonesia (situation dependent).

But like every country, we are fuck all without allies. And well, we got some of the best in the world and don't /colossally/ fuck up relationships with nearby governments to the point in which we want to start throwing punches.

>-An Ausfag trying to be unbiased.

>>34415227
>the only countries I'd consider troublesome would be China, Japan, S.Korea and /maybe/ Indonesia (situation dependent).

das a whole fucking lot mate.

>>34415227
>Gets shit done with what it has.
i had the pleasure of talking with some active-duty marines when i was in america on holiday, and they have a lot of respect for our troops apparently. mortar fire or something will come in, the marines and the soldiers will duck down and cry for air support, but the aussies will become angry and will fight back. we're like british troops but with a lot of black humour according to them.

we're nothing without the US however.

>>34415242
Out of everything else in the area? I'd say its fine.
Strategic wise, the Chinese are already killing our country from the inside and Indonesia has been keeping to themselves for the past couple years. S.Korea is on (what I assume to be) good terms with us. More or less same with Japan.

>>34415157
You're forgetting America.

Just like the thread that asked if China or Japan has the most powerful navy in the Pacific from a couple days ago... the answer is America.

>>34415227
>offers great defensive opportunities.

Compared to the size of landmass it has to defend, fuck no it doesn't.

>>34415157
The emus

>>34415380
Tell me where the major population centers are relevant to the rest of the continent.
Tell me what lies in the middle of the country and how much of a clusterfuck it would cause to the guy in charge to supply troops in those regions whilst in enemy grounds.
Tell me how you're going to go 1-1 against a country that you can really only attack from the North unless you spend the extra time going around to the East or West depending on which way you are attacking from.
Why bother defending 90% of a fucking country when it offers nearly nothing to you to begin with?

>>34415484
You're cripplingly retarded if you think easily gaining a foothold on mainland Australia doesn't make invading it properly an order of magnitude easier.

Imagine D-Day if Axis just hadn't bothered defending France at all.

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>>34415504
>Easily
where are you going to gain your foothold?

NT/WA/the inhospitable parts of QLD? good luck, we have a military strategy organized around defending against this. roving extremely mobile patrols (think expeditionary forces) combined with sea convoy strikes and fortification south of brisbane and east of the GDR.

the coast of QLD? basically our entire army is stationed there.

the NSW coast? good luck getting there in the first place, but if you do you're not going to have fun since you can't do land supply.

the VIC coast? good luck getting there.

the SA coast? good luck getting there.

the WA coast? submarines, and congratulations, if you get past them you've taken perth. put your sunscreen on, you've got another 3,000 km to drive before you can get to any other city.

>>34415557
>You can take cities from us but thats okay because there is distance between there and our captial

Mmhm

an insurmountable obstacle

>>34415591
have you never heard of "defence in depth"? the russians had quite a bit of success with it, and the americans have been using it for over 200 years.

>>34415484
>Tell me what lies in the middle of the country and how much of a clusterfuck it would cause to the guy in charge to supply troops in those regions whilst in enemy grounds.
Absolutely nothing, so why would an invading force even bother with it when anything of note is port accessible? Ive heard Aussies talk before how in the invent of invasion the ADF would just go guerilla in the outback, but desu that screams Maginot Line shit to me.

>>34415591
>2,000 miles across hostile terrain while being harrassed by land, air and naval forces

>this is not an issue for GRORIOUS CHINA or whoever

Hmm.

>>34415607
>anything of note is port accessible
Where do you think the most likely and most heavily defended areas are going to be.

>Ive heard Aussies talk before how in the invent of invasion the ADF would just go guerilla in the outback, but desu that screams Maginot Line shit to me.
Fair point, but I never said it would be reasonable to employ it anyway. What would rather happen is the air force would bombing anything inland or working alongside the army to stop any major highways along the coast or country being used by enemy forces. Being home turf and airbases w/ A-A refueling means its going to be on heck of a job to get it off your back. And while tanks aren't going to be as effective heading across a vast wasteland, the major population centers are going to be one hell of a fight to take (if air isn't in control by then).

Not trying to sprout shit about my home country and make it seem impossible to conquer. But its just fun to theorize this shit you know.

>>34415697
>the major population centers are going to be one hell of a fight to take (if air isn't in control by then).
honestly mate, if any country ever gets close to any major city i am going to acquire a rifle and take on the attackers myself. no cunt takes my country.

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>>34415712
>Implying what's left of our shit-skinned government will not just all give us a rifle, 5 rounds of .303 Brit and a slouch hat, then throw us into combat against the gooks one last time.

>>34415607
Because anyone going 'around' has to contend with torpedos into their ships and airpower that is flying over friendly ground.

Countries that have successfully invaded another country in recent years via sea and air- US, UK, France, Australia and that's about it. Anyone else is just playing pocket billiards with probability and not actual reality. The other thing is that with the worlds largest surveillance satellite network in the southern hemisphere and huge over the horizon radar arrays all over it, its not like anyone can just sneak in D-Day style without being noticed. You go in, you're going in hot.
The other not so often mentioned fact is that the country can be self sufficient, grow all the food it needs, advanced medical, technical and manufacturing. If the rumbling of invasion got too loud, there's 60-70% of the worlds nuclear material in the ground that can get rolled into something more dissuading.

>>34415735
>over friendly ground.

Hope you realise there is no such thing

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>>34415746
>We're the invaders all along

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>>34415206
Aus has only 24 million people, that makes it tiny in comparison to a number of its neighbors in Asia - Pacific.

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>>34415157
Would they win against Emus now?

>>34415380
The Austrialian military is not for defending all of Austrialia but rather few points of civilization from the wildlife. Any invading army would be overcome by swarms of spiders and Aboriginals seeking gibme dats

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>>34415891

>>34415157
Japan has more and newer toys and they're not even officially a military.

China has assloads more equipment and people, some of which is modern and supposedly maybe good.

South Korea has almost entirely US-made current-gen shit in about the same amounts as the Aussies, and has actually used it recently.

The Norks could take 1000 to 1 losses against Australia and still win, through sheer numbers, because the Australian military is fucking tiny.

>>34415227
>offers great defensive opportunities
Hundreds of thousands of kilometers of shoreline and they have a navy smaller than the USCG's Great Lakes fleet, and an air force smaller than what fits on a single US carrier. They don't even have a fucking adequate defensive capability and have only survived due to being both a Commonwealth state (thus insuring the Brits get involved, which automatically drags the US in) and having nothing valuable enough to invade over.

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>>34415912
>air force smaller than what fits on a single US carrier

Umm, no sweetie.

This makes me curious, does Australia have a draft/conscription system in case of invasion or a catastrophic war?

In the US we have to sign up when we turn 18

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>>34415922

>>34415912
The problem with most of those is actually GETTING there.

How many of those could actually land a useful number of troops and keep them supplied?

Doesn't Australia have a fucking huge radar system to spot people, be they immigrants in fishingboats or THE ENTIRE ARGENTINE ARMY IN A SINGLE CONTAINER SHIP tier invasion threats?

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>>34415912
>having nothing valuable enough to invade over
AFAIK there are tons of Chinese in Australia ... surely some of them are being oppressed by the vicious, imperialistic Australian government and in need of rescue by the loving and nurturing Chinese fatherland

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>>34415932
yeah I would've thought the obvious exaggeration for humor would have been obvious.

It's still really fucking tiny though.

>>34415948
>How many of those could actually land a useful number of troops and keep them supplied?
Assuming Australia doesn't get backup from one of the other commonwealth nations or the US?
All of them.

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>>34415912
>and an air force smaller than what fits on a single US carrier.
like 70+ combat aircraft and and many more support aircraft fits on a US carrier?

>Hundreds of thousands of kilometers of shoreline
a good quarter of it looks like pic related, another quarter is right against forests and is snuggled up right up against a mountain range that takes up like 40% of NSW and VIC, and the remaining half is hiding nothing but "death valley: sponsored by victorian bitter edition" and huge vietnamese level rainforests.

>and have only survived due to being both a Commonwealth state
>thus insuring the Brits get involved
the brits are a notional ally. our primary ally is the united states.

>>34415935
>does Australia have a draft/conscription system in case of invasion or a catastrophic war?
it was repealed in 1972.

>>34415948
>Doesn't Australia have a fucking huge radar system to spot people
it's called JORN, and if you listen to http://websdr.ewi.utwente.nl:8901/ at 8992 khz you'll hear spooky military communications with the occasional bird chirp noise. that receiver is in the netherlands, the chirp noise is JORN.

we can pick up cessnas taking off in indonesia, boats well past that, and apparently we can also detect large fleets near china.

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>>34415973
IIRC they'e upgrading it by ^6 or something like that

>>34415973
>like 70+ combat aircraft and and many more support aircraft fits on a US carrier?
Pretty fucking close, yes. The standard loadout for the George H.W. Bush is 68 combat aircraft (60 of which are fixed wing) and 22 support aircraft for a total of 90.

In an emergency it can transport and launch 124 total aircraft or ferry-only 160.

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>>34415992
>In an emergency it can transport and launch 124 total aircraft or ferry-only 160.
so what, do you take apart the 737 tankers and hand a piece out to each sailor?

>>34415976
>That one guy left of the bridge looking directly at whoever took the picture.

>>34416003
You park them nut to butt in the hangar and the aircrew get to play tetris getting them up the elevators for the 124.

For the 160 every inch of the flight deck has birds parked on it.

>>34415970
How is north korea going to transport and supply any troops at all, let alone get them past the autralian navy and airforce?

Japan has a lot more ships than the australians, but fuck all in the way of transports. Same for south korea.

Yes, those two could potentially land a force, but they would be operating with zero air cover against hornets and super hornets with angry australians at the controls.

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>>34416002
Same in p-8 picture
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>>34416022

>>34415157
>China memes aside, does anything even come close to this amount of firepower?
The US forces in the Pacific

>>34416018
>how is North Korea going to transport and supply any troops at all
Their approximately 1700 cargo planes that are capable of paradropping troops and supplies.

Japan has about 150 conventional landing craft and 70 US-made LCAC's (hovercraft landing craft).

South Korea has over 1500 landing craft, plus their tanks and APC's are open-water amphibious, and they have 3 ships with well decks to launch them from. They also have a robust transport plane fleet and 2 entire divisions of airborne trained troops.

>>34416032
IIRC the Boxer is about half a turret taller rhan the Abrams.

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>>34416048

>>34415157
>most formidable military in asia pacific
>asia pacific
>where 3 out of 4 other countries with somewhat relevant military is australian allies

It's like winning special olympic

>>34416056
Yep. There's the pic.

>>34415912
>The Norks
North Korea's population is only 24million, as it is they have supply lines thinner than r9k's tinder match list

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>>34416089

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>>34416045
Friend? How far away from Korea and Japan do you think Australia actually is?


5,000km from the very bottom of south korea to the closest part of australia. 5,700 from pyongyang. 4,800 from the closest part of japan. (This is 3,000+ miles for yanks) Over open ocean for the most part. You are not going to make that trip remotely safely in anything short of a full ocean going ship.

Those LCACs have a range one tenth of the distance you're talking. And I would like a source on the numbers of landing craft you're throwing out.

NK does not have 1,700 cargo planes that it can put in the air at once, let alone send that far.

>>34415157
>cuck country like Australia being effective
This isn't ww2 or 1 anymore. Modern Aussies rather roll over than fight back.

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>>34416016
>For the 160 every inch of the flight deck has birds parked on it.
oh, so you like have rigs to stack the 737s and C-17s vertically, and you strap the wings to a growler or three and mount them on top? like this?

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>>34416143

>>34416143
We roll your mum over in flour to find the wet spot

>>34415276
>british troops with added black humour
Jesus christ how is that even possible?

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>34416165
>34416185
(You)s for all

>>34416235
newfag

>>34416186
well it's more black humour and light humour. one minute you can be pretend-arguing with a mate convincingly enough to make any foreigner think that you're about to start a fight, the next minute you can be telling corny jokes that would be too immature for a child's birthday party, then you can be making jokes about rape victims and genocides, then you can be pouring your heart out in the way only australians can, then you can get to the black humour. and after that you can get onto the good old topic of "why melbourne/china/japan/america/africa/some other country needs to be fucking destroyed". and then back to the corny jokes.

australian dialectic is like a non stop whirlwind of completely nonsensical, contradictory, and plain impolite vomit that somehow begins to make sense if you stay around it long enough. and apparently our soldiers level up or something and start doing it even more intensively when they're deployed.

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>34416237
>Implying newfag
>Implying I'm not just depriving you of (You)
Slinky.

>>34416146
>fugggg

>>34415200
lol

>>34415157
America has the most powerful military in the Asia-Pacific you pleb

American living in Australia

Main problem I see is the morale of the populace - most Australians that aren't Chinese already wouldn't really be fucked to fight anyone that tried to take over.

Unless the Chinese threatened to seize all organic quinoa and ban gay marriage, I guess.

>>34417746
Tell them the Chinese will make them all drink fosters. That should do it.

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>>34415157
For now yes but I wouldn't be surprised if Indonesia overtakes you guys in 10-15 years.

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>>34415395
>>34415878
>>34416235
We actually won the Emu war because muh kd ratio

>>34416143
>>34416165
>>34416185
They rolled over against the turks in ww1 too :^)

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We may not have a large number of tanks, fighter aircraft, combat ships, subs etc, but we sure do everything we can.

Defence has budgeted to increase numbers by 1600 solely to crew new weapon systems they are buying.

>>34415157
in weapon procurement, they are heavily dependent on foreingns.

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>>34421007
>standard issue rifle for the entire defence force produced in Australia

>Bushmaster PMV produced in Australia

>ASLAV produced in Australia

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>>34419578
It is doubtful Australia could even match Malaysia today, yet alone Indonesia.

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>>34415157
They don't even have the most formidable military in Australia, let alone in the Asia-Pacific theater....

>>34421028
>can't tell the difference between development and production under license

yeah, Turkey is to produce F-35 under license so they have nothing to do with Lockheed Martin and US, don't they

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>>34421476
Nor would we need to. All three countries distrust/dislike China. That unites us.

Plus Aussies train with Malays all the time.

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>>34415157
well you faggots couldn't bribe the judges into giving you a war by decision with one of your asian neighbors sooooooo.......

pac man won that fight you fucking cretins

>>34421614
I have no idea what you are on about

In all honesty, from a burger to a roo, how do you feel about the military? I only personally knew one Australian, and while we were good friends, he always bitched about guns. He whined about how the US would be so much better without guns, and that despite him being in the army, guns terrify him and he doesn't trust anyone around him with them because they are "too young".

Is this a common mindset or was he just a lib bitch?

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>>34421659
>brother brings a new zealander guy over for some business thing or something
>immediately starts whinging about gun violence to me when it randomly comes up in conversation
>just keep quiet because we were in California and didn't want to start shit
>he's been in the US for less than a week
Holy fuck why do foreigners do this

>>34421633
you are obviously not a golfer

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>>34421883
Yeah not a golfer, also not a tripfaggot

>>34415732
I live every day of my life in anticipation of charging down some slant eyed gook fuck with my Enfield and watching the light fade from his eyes.

>>34415891
Not quite a CBG, jim, but it's close.

>>34415970
>It's still really fucking tiny though.
We're buying more F-35s than anyone that isn't the US or UK, and the UK only beats us because they're filling their carriers with F-35Bs.

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>>34421659
increasingly common these days, just like the rest of the west our entire education system and media have been taken over by neo marxists so they're brainwashed from birth and can never escape it

guns(or insert leftist agenda here) are bad, disagree and we'll destroy your social life, keep it up and we'll destroy your livelihood and on it goes

also whoever made this thread should be shot

>>34415157
Emus

>>34421476
>>34419578
Indonesia and Malaysia can barely maintain their 4th gen slavshit without losing an engine on the regular; they've got no hope whatsoever of making, maintaining or operating anything worthy of the title "5th Gen".

That and while their land forces are fairly big, the people in them are mostly special-Olympics-tier. Their navies aren't even worth mentioning; absolute joke in comparison.

>>34421543
We designed the bushmaster and the EF-88

>>34422137
I actually know Waleed socially. Well from before he got famous.

Right cunt too.

>>34421883
fuck off tripfag go rave about hitting balls with rods on reddit

>>34415157
ANZAC frigates aren't really very powerful, they're just glorified patrol boats.

>>34421659
Basically everyone outside of America thinks that Americans attitudes towards guns are fucking weird.

Mexicans dress up as skeletons once a year, New Guineans wear wooden dick protectors, Russians are all alcoholics and Americans are weird about guns.

>>34422560
Pathetic bait. Try harder.

>>34416146
Don't be an obtuse cunt. You said combat air craft and support air craft. He answered and you got proven wrong. No a carrier can't fit a 737 but they do have fuelers that do the same job.

>>34422410
>We modified foreign designs and said they're ours.

>>34422575
>Americans are weird about guns.
>Not being afraid of an inanimate object and getting rightly pissed off at the assholes trying to take them for no good reason is "weird"

>>34415912
>The Norks could take 1000 to 1 losses against Australia and still win, through sheer numbers, because the Australian military is fucking tiny.

Are you retarded? If they took 1000 to 1 losses Australia would have depopulated the entirety of North Korea twice over. And thats only taking into account active military, not reserves.

The population of NK is only like 2% percent larger and they're using shitty cold war era armament vs a modern military with actual combat experience. They don't have enough fuel, food and armament to meaningfully invade a neighbor they have a direct landbridge too, let alone one in another hemisphere. Their losses, especially if you included the ones on the way to the theater, would probably match your ratio.

>inb4 what is hyperbole
No. With the exception of possible nuclear threats, NK isn't a threat to anyone except South Korea. And its only a threat to them because of collateral damage, it's not an existential threat. At that point its not hyperbole its just bullshit

> and has actually used it recently.
Are you implying Australia hasn't? SK has a military 10x larger (conscription and a larger population) than Australia's and yet Australia has deployed an equivalent number of troops over the years. And a lot of SK's has been UN missions, not actual wars. Between just Iraq and Afghanistan Aus deployed 43,000 men, everything SKs done since the Vietnam War including UNMs, they've deployed 42,000.

> having nothing valuable enough to invade over.
Second largest supplier of iron, gold, and REM, largest supplier of bauxite, largest reserves of Uranium (~1/3 of the world total), fuck ton of natural gas, coal, oil shale, petroleum. Major agriculture and livestock producer.

Google is a thing retard, I don't know shit about Australia but it took me 5 seconds to check what sounded like bullshit.

>>34415973

IIRC the size of the air arm has shrunk due to multi-mission aircraft taking on more roles, at one point 90+ was a standard loadout for carriers.

>>34422635
You say that, but it's kind of like the Imperial measurement system, you're all along on this one, buddy

>>34422575

I'm OK with that. I think most other countries are weird about guns too.

>>34422630
Bushmaster is completely indigenous; as is the Hawkei. The EF-88 is so far from the original Steyr AUG that it's hard to tell they're descended from the same design.

Pretty much all the light non-weapon equipment is our own design, too.

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>>34422653
>Second largest supplier of iron, gold, and REM
>REM

Install more REM

>>34422685
>Bushmaster is completely indigenous
Nope, the ASLAV is based of off the Swiss Piranha.
>The EF-88 is so far from the original Steyr AUG that it's hard to tell they're descended from the same design.
Kek, no.

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>>34422691
Don't worry, we'll take over their supply soon.

>>34422685
>>34422701
>In 1992, under Phase 2 of the ASLAV Program, the Australian Defence Materiel Organisation acquired 113 of the Australian version of the Canadian manufactured LAV for the Australian Army. By 1997, the 2nd Cavalry Regiment was fully equipped with the ASLAV.

It's a modified Swiss Piranha that's made for you in Canada.

>>34415157
Australian warships don't have enough weapons for all of them so they share them for whichever ships are going to the gulf and rimpac

>>34422701
>>34422709

Bushmaster =/= ASLAV, you bongheads.

>>34422710
That was only true during the budget cuts in the '90s. These days they're all loaded to the gills.

>>34422701
Mate, the Bushmaster and the ASLAV are different things. The ASLAV is an 8 wheeled APC, sometimes mounted with a M242 Bushmaster cannon which might be the cause of your confusion.

The Bushmaster is a 4 wheeled MRAP/IMV built by Thales.

>>34422715
>>34422709
>>34422685

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bushmaster_Protected_Mobility_Vehicle

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASLAV

>>34422583
>8 VLS
>1 shipborne helicopter
>muh bait
what do you expect from 3,000t warship?

>>34422701
It is; the first clue to you should be that the AUG is a steaming pile of shit and the EF-88, well, isn't.

>>34422724
An 8-Cell VLS, 8 Harpoons (More than most Burkes these days), and the best naval AESA radar on any ship smaller than a Burke in existence. CEAFAR is serious shit.

>>34422701
>>34422709
Holy retards

>>34422715
>>34422719
>>34422723
Ah I see, the confusion came from the start of the reply chain that mentioned the ASLAV. I was wrong about the Bushmaster, I did assume you/he was calling it the Bushmaster as a nickname because of the gun on the ASLAV.

>>34422728
It's still very apparent that it is a derivative of the AUG.
>the AUG is a steaming pile of shit
That's like, your opinion man, but it doesn't mean it's true.

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>>34422733
The Anzac's might even be getting the ceafar 2.0

>>34422737
By that logic half the rifles in the world are just AR or AK derivatives, which is a leap i'm sure even you are hesitant to make.

We make them all here, and the local design and upgrade process has taken them in completely different directions to the original AUG. It's a different, indigenous gun at this point.

>>34422744
The ANZAC's aren't; they're keeping the current version.

The 9 new ASW Frigates absolutely are, however, and from the looks of it CEAFAR 2.0 is made of absolute bullshittium. Supposedly some of the blokes at jindalee figured out how to make it do OTH targeting. Something to do with abusing some weird properties that sidelobes have?

>>34422746
>By that logic half the rifles in the world are just AR or AK derivatives, which is a leap i'm sure even you are hesitant to make.
No, but most of them are AR-18 derivatives. Unless you want to count all the slight variations of the AKM that each Combloc country adopted as separate "derivatives".
>We make them all here
Sure
>the local design and upgrade process has taken them in completely different directions to the original AUG
Why are you comparing it to the A1 AUG? Compared to the A3 it's pretty similar. What did you do, add some rails and change the colors? Tweak some things and remove the quick detach barrel? It's still very obviously an AUG derivative and not, "hard to tell they're descended from the same design."

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>>34422750
Actually in the 2016 defence integrated investment program it states that they'll be upgrading radar and combat systems.

>>34422759
Yes, that's the CEAFAR 1.0 Program. Only Perth had it fitted as a trial run before that; it just worked so hilariously well that they decided to shell out to upgrade all the other ANZACs.

>>34422746
>By that logic half the rifles in the world are just AR or AK derivatives
Also, making this claim as a rebuttal to the statement that the EF-88 is an AUG derivative is just plain asinine. It's the newest variant of a rifle that was essentially a licensed copy of the AUG A1.

>>34422757
Most of the internals have been altered in some way to my understanding; not just cosmetic additions to the outside.

Still retains the retarded trigger fire selection, but the rest of it has been hacked to pieces by Thales Lithgow after the troops sledged the hell out of the original ones we got back in the early '90s.

>>34422733

>CEAFAR
>lightweight(enough for 3,000t warship to carry), >but limited range
>can't utilize SM-2, SM-3
>no BMD capability

ANZAC is just a point-air defense frigate, not a fleet-air defense worship or destroyer which is Arleigh Burke and Tichonderoga.

3000 tonnage warships have functional limitations no matter how fancy are the onboard equipments.

>>34422772
>worship
warship

>>34422761
No, this will be a new program. Read the document.

>>34422502
Give us some Waleed stories cunt, I'm on nightshift and I need the anger to sustain me.

>>34422775
I did. It *is* the new program. CEAFAR on Perth was a *trial*. Before the 2016 paper, there was no upgrade program for the rest of the ANZACs.

>>34422768
>Still retains the retarded trigger fire selection
And operating system, and bolt. Lithgow removed the QD barrel feature that no one used, and modified the way the fire selector works so you can lock it into semi-auto and disable the progressive trigger. They also added the bolt release that the AUG A3 has.

>>34422583
bait? they're weak as piss el cheapo frigates and no amount of upgrades will fix it, replacements can't come soon enough

>>34422778
Read it again shit for brains.

>>34415778
>finland

Topkek

>>34422794
The only brainshit here is yours, if you can't even read English.

>>34422793
Still better than literally anything outside of the US or the US's vassals.

Un-australainised Euroshit 20 years newer still can't compete. Chinks aren't even in the game.

>>34422772
While CEAFAR doesn't quite have the range to guide an SM-2ER to it's full range; pretty much everything else is fair game; and within that range band it beats the pants off of basically everything; including the SPY-1.

Considering it's a 3t installation to the 10 or so tons of the usual big fat SPY-1 installations, that's impressive.

(CEAFAR is a full digital AESA system, and beamforms at the element level. It has some utterly absurd computing power backing it up.)

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>>34422806
>Chinks aren't even in the game

Wake up. They are a serious threat now. Mark my words, China is on the road to war just like Germany was before WW2.

The O55 beats anything we have.

>>34422827
Not even remotely. It looks impressive, but the technology inside it is ten years out of date, and their crews are basically a pack of flailing incompetents with no naval tradition whatsoever.

And Chian's going to implode internally due to it's suicidal demographics distribution within another 15 years anyway. They're a paper tiger.

>>34415157
Half that shit doesn't even work. The frigates are big patrol boats, the Tigres have literally never been combat ready, Sea Kings kill more troops than they deploy, F-35A *insert Spreymeme* etc

>>34422793
>>34422833
Samefag

>>34422834
no, but anyone ITT who thinks the PRC is a fucking joke is a delusional child

>>34422502
>>34422776
not him but the guy is your diamond dozen classical liberal with a brownface

literally *not* a leftist, just a proper cunt. He'd be in the IPA if he hated Islam.

>>34422839
They *are* a joke though. They swing their tiny little asiatic dicks around like they're hot shit because they got some shiny new toys, but forgot to do the centuries of infrastructural development and institutional knowledge to back it up.

They can't even build a decent jet engine, they're still making copies of clunky dirty Russian models that render the F-35 clones they installed them on some of the most unstealthy things in the air.

China. Is. Paper.

>>34422844
China can give America a mean enough paper cut to prevent America from wanting to get involved, and that's literally all that matters.

>>34422806
never post again

>>34422845
It's adorable that you think that, but the underestimation here is your appraisal of what would make the US not want to get involved.

Same mistake the Japs made at Pearl Harbour, not so many years ago, and look how that turned out for them.

>>34422560
at least Nulka and torpedo decoy system are quite impressive.

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>>34422830
It doesn't matter if their technology is a bit old, so is ours. What can we do if they fling 20 odd missiles at one of our ships.

Thinking all Chinese soldiers/sailors are incompetant will get yourself and your unit killed. They care about their jobs as much as Americans do.

Sorry mate, but they are a threat to us. We can barely raise 1 full fledged Air Defence unit. They have dozens.

>>34422872
don't respond to NEETs

The ADF is merely a token force designed only to give the appearance of commitment while Australia's defence is handled by suckling at the teat of their strategic alliance with the US.

The strategic alliance is the cornerstone of Australian defence policy yet it is also the reason for the degredation of the ADF as an independent fighting force.

Independently the ADF bearly has the capacity or the appetite to keep PNG in line.

>>34422830
I dont think so
Most us navy and airforce designs are 20-30 years old chinese seem new
Us is too burdened by its military-industrial complex that it cant get anything done or its just too expensive
China is modernising rapidly just look at there navy 10 years ago
They can get things done now unlike usa where programs laste 20-30 years and then get cancelled after trillions of dolars

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>>34422889
Everything in your pose about ADF is incorrect and should be replaced with the Government.

It is the successive governments and politicians that continually let down the ADF and stifle it. Only recently have they begun to wake up to the threat in Asia.

>>34422931
Well, the government is the one that technically maintains the US strategic alliance so it is partially their doing too. The ADF generally recieves bipartisan support.

The ADF lacks capabilities that would make it a modern military because they're too hard and they know the US will pick up the slack.
I think the government's understanding of the military is too poor to lay the blame entirely on them though.

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>>34422757
>>34422765

>>34422890
All horrifically and embarrassingly wrong.

>>34422889
You don't know what the fuck you're talking about

Our entire Defence Force is based around strategic defence of our country

>>34415912
One of our LHDs displaces heavier than all USCG cutters combined champ

>>34422999
You're joking, right?

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>>34422830
but the technology inside it is ten years out of date
>First major surface combatant with a C and S dual-band AESA Radar
>ten years out of date
This fucking board man

>>34422987
Perhaps, though its been a long time since it has performed an action that has been strategically important to the defence of this nation. It generally just tows the line of the US and most of its capabilities are shaped around that purpose.

>>34423003
Total displacement of all in service Famous, Reliance, Keeper, Sentinel, National Security and Hamilton class cutters is 25,650 tonnes.

A Canberra class LHD is 27,500 tonnes.

>>34423034
That's not all of them you fucking retard. A cutter is a commissioned coast guard vessel.

>>34423020
CEAFAR, combined with CEAMOUNT, was a dual S/X band digital AESA system in service nearly 10 years ago ... and C-band is ultimately a compromise between S and X band anyway.

I also highly doubt that the Chinese have quite managed to crack digital beamforming at the element level on their Arrays just yet, based on the few reports they've let out.

>>34422890
And let me guess, Liu (posting from Vancouver), the J-20 is also an even match for the F-22?

>>34415912
>both a Commonwealth state (thus insuring the Brits get involved,
lelnope we've been all but abandoned by the Brits since the fall of Singapore. We help them, they don't help us.

Then after they finished nuking us, they joined the EEC, and they pretty much ditched us economically too.

It's the other way around, America brings the Brits, because strategically we have a lot to offer America. Half of things technology related that concerns the Eastern Hemisphere is operated via Australia, including satellites and drones. Air Force maintenance will soon be shared between Australia and South Korea, and there's a reasonable Marine base/port here that's set to expand.

All conveniently located in the middle of Abo country...

>>34423307
Don't forget the Jindalee Radar that lets us watch Kim-Jong Dum-Dum pick his nose in real-time.

>>34423307
>lelnope we've been all but abandoned by the Brits since the fall of Singapore. We help them, they don't help us.

Mhh, no if the UK had completely abandoned that entire region it wouldn't be part of the Five Eye Agreement neither would it maintain any bases or facilities beyond east of Suez - reportedly, the UK's Singapore naval base is second largest fuel depot in the Asia-Pacific region.

>be aussie
>be indabushlan
>waiting for ww3

How bout u?

>>34415157
What do y'all think of this article? Reasonable concerns or overblown hyperbole?
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/special-features/in-depth/the-next-war-can-australia-put-up-a-fight/news-story/e014be236655857052fbd521e3534ba7
>Australia only has a three day supply of fuel at any one time (!), with shipments passing through vulnerable waters to our North
>Only two airbases will be able to serve the F-35, rough 3500km from each other ... outside the max range of the plane
>Inability to supercruise means the F35 is poorly equipped to cover our vast airspace
>Our new subs lack the fuel capacity to properly undertake missions from their Perth home
>Our SA factories are unable to do any real repairs on our subs

>>34423575
>>Our new subs lack the fuel capacity to properly undertake missions from their Perth home
>>Our SA factories are unable to do any real repairs on our subs

This article is 2 years old. We didn't even pick the Jap sub they're talking about.

>>34423429
Again, we're part of it because America, not the UK. I didn't say the UK abandoned the region, I said they abandoned us. They stopped giving a shit about the Commonwealth, not their strategic interests.

>>34423575
>>34423609
It's also utterly full of shit. The media down here has an astoundingly poor understanding of military matters in general.

>>34423779

It's OK Australia, America still thinks you're cool.

>>34415504
Imagine D-Day if the Allies had landed in Western Sahara and (ignoring the Strait of Gibraltar) had to hike / truck their way to France while under constant attack via air.

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>>34423575
>Australia only has a three day supply of fuel at any one time
That's looking at fuel at servos, not actual oil reserves; it also assumes that there wouldn't be any wartime rationing.
>Only two airbases will be able to serve the F-35, rough 3500km from each other ... outside the max range of the plane
I have no idea what they're talking about here - the two airbases that F-35s will live at are 2800km apart, which is / should be within the F-35A's ferry / cruise range. If you're actually deploying the jets there's something like half a dozen other constantly manned / operational airbases, as well as just a ton of either civilian or unmanned / barebone bases that can be stood up in a day - take a look at this site, zoom in a few times and wait for the map to start filling up: http://ourairports.com/countries/AU/
The RAAF also did a PR thing a few years ago where they converted a strip of bush (with some some trees, etc) into a paved runway that supported C-17s within 36 hours.
>Inability to supercruise means the F35 is poorly equipped to cover our vast airspace
Supercruising significantly decreases your range (eg, the F-22's range decreases by 300nmi when it supercruises for 100nmi), so I don't see how that argument stands up.
>Our new subs lack the fuel capacity to properly undertake missions from their Perth home
As already mentioned, now that we're getting Shortfin Barracudas and not Japanese subs, we should get a heap of range out of them.
>Our SA factories are unable to do any real repairs on our subs
Dunno about that, but if we're building them I'd imagine we could also repair them.

>>34423779
>Again, we're part of it because America, not the UK.

Based off what?

Regardless, the UK has made a commitment.

>They stopped giving a shit about the Commonwealth, not their strategic interests

Based off what?

I'm certainly not saying there's been no strategic retreat, but you're overplaying it. You'll be hard pressed to make an actual argument that if something were to happen to Aus/NZ the UK wouldn't be involved.