Shotgun General

>>34409207
Baguette poster spotted

>>34409207
Heh, hehe, heh, ahahahahaha.

I hope you have about $1000 dollars lying around, because that's how much that bayonet adapter will cost you. Last one I saw sold for $700.

Blame Remington collectors for the skyrocketing prices, I once found a forum where a guy was posting his collection of tube extensions and bayonet lugs for the 870 mk1.

The fucking autistic POS had literally 7 bayonet lugs and was telling people that he paid between $300-$450 for each one.

I can understand owning 2, but once you get to the point of autism that he suffered from, it's just ruining it for everyone else, inflating the market, and potentially making it impossible for anyone to ever own one.

Imagine if he died one day, his family is going through his shit and finds all these weird steel blocks, the tweaker nephew then takes them to the scrap yard and gets $2.38 for what are literal unicorn military issue 870 attachments

>>34409207
20" barrel. You will never find the front barrel clamp/bayonet for under $400, unless you get seriously lucky. They eventually pop up though.

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>>34409207
-Take a hammer and punch, and knock out the front site.... LOL

Seriously. If you own one, you can send to to Wilson Combat to get it tricked out, but it's expensive.
Or you can buy a side saddle, pistol grip stock, and extended magazine, aftermarket, and do it yourself. See YouTube for tips.
Or, if you love the Military look/Bayonet lug, just buy a Mossberg 590A1. 9 shot, and has bayonet lug. I have one, they are great. The only thing I would do is add a Vang Comp Velcro side saddle.

>>34410198
Have exact model in pic and can confirm it's great and fun as fuck to shoot

>>34410198
This is definitely going to be my next shotgun. Got any thoughts on the stock furniture vs wood?

>>34410421
wood is worse than the stock furniture in everyway except aesthetics. and theres so many grades of furniture its its hard to say how nice the wood will be.

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>dad buys a 590A1
>put Magpul SGA furniture on it
>mfw shooting 00 buck

I think I'm going to buy one for myself and replace my AR as my designated HD gun. I find shotguns to be much more enjoyable to shoot and practice with.
>>34410421
>Got any thoughts on the stock furniture vs wood?

What context?

>>34410483
Literally just aesthetics. Ive seen the modern "trench gun" 590a1s people have made but I don't know if it'll hold up over time. I'm not talking about like beating the shit out of it every day, but just like general longevity.

>>34410540
>general longevity
woods good enough to outlive you but if you beat it up it will look like shit pretty quickly

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>>34410572
Cool. This is kind of what I want to do, but I want to match the wood with the checkering on another on of my guns with the fleur de lis prints.

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>>34410305
pics needed

>>34409207
pumpguns are fun

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>>34410305

>>34410826
Meant to reply to >>34410826
There's a pic, might have another

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>>34410826
Meh just this other one of me shooting it, don't know how good the gun will look when uploaded

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>>34410913
dont care for them in practice, but mossberg's ghost rings look good imo

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>>34410933
this is now a mossberg appreciation thread

>>34410933
I definitely had to get used to them, but once I did I liked them.

>>34410933
>dont care for them in practice, but mossberg's ghost rings look good imo
Funny, I think all their non-bead options look bulky and ugly as shit.

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>>34410991
definitely bulky

>>34410826
i think guy in pic is holding a shotgun

>>34409207
Anyone here owns a Benelli M2?

>>34411328
more pics? thats a fun setup

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>>34411373
sure

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I guess if were posting extended mag tubes, ill play.

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>>34410978mine

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>>34410198
>>34410933
>>34410991
>>34411042
Wish Mossberg would offer something like pic related as a factory option, instead it's always either been a shitty useless bead or those obtrusive eyesores

>>34411328
>when you had a stakeout clone and the receiver destroyed itself from stretching cuz someone didn't heat treat the receiver properly 60 years ago

that's $200 in taxes I'll never get back.

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>>34411503
those exist

>>34411438
That goddamn table again, the dumb motherfucker should have put the strap and screws underneath and used wood glue in the T&G.

>>34411503
I have one of those barrels on my 807P. It's tits, bro. Fucking awesome. Get it from AI&P Tactical

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>>34411527
that sucks.

>>34411567
its time to get over it.

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>>34410421
590 Poster here. back after watching Naked and Afraid XL on DVR...
When the gun is dirty, sometimes the shells jam. For a Pistol immediate action in Tap Rack Bang. For a Shotgun "Tap" usually means smashing the buttstock on the ground while pulling on the fore end. I have seen Wood stocks Break in half. The Synthetic stocks stand up to the abuse. -and the M590A1 comes (one model) with a speedfeed stock that holds more ammo

>>34411745
why do companies insist on putting their names in the biggest font that will fit on the side of their guns?

what happened to subtly?

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>>34411503
they do make a notch sight barrel
>shitty useless bead
bead sights are fast to acquire when sighting in, a natural counterpart to shot loads

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>>34411769

>>34411769
The kind of people who'd want a "Blackwater special edition" shotgun probably don't care about subtlety.

>>34411534
>>34411786
Well shit, I've never seen this in their catalog. Does it come in a 20" 9-shot flavor?

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>>34411503

>>34411829
no
ive seen the 7shot 20 inch 500s with em but never on a 20 inch 590
those sights dont really make sense for a 590

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>>34411829

>>34411764
That's sexy as fuck, bro.

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>>34411887
>getting 1887 digits in a shotgun thread
Feels good man

>>34411829
dont know about past productions, but mossberg currently doesnt make a barrel in that config

>>34411940
http://www.mossberg.com/product/590a1-9-shot-spx-50771/
>>34411858

Want to shoot clays with ksg. Which choke do you think can help?

>>34412038
dude's not looking for a ghost ring
see >>34411503

>>34411695
Never, I'll make that table into a meme!!

>then we'll meme the shotgun into a presidential candidate

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>>34411447
You again...

>>34411777
I'm not sure if I would like that camp pattern or not. Does anyone have one, or has seen one to verify if the pattern is a little more subtle than the picture shows or is it bold like in the picture?

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>>34409207

I have a Winchester SXP for my first shotty, I put a few rounds through it and really like so far, but I'm still stuck between getting a Moss 590A1 or the 870...

I'm leaning more between the Moss simply for the bayonet and ergonomic pieces like the safety and the ejector that can be shot down instead of the side.

>>34413569
>the ejector that can be shot down instead of the side.
mossbergs are all side ejecting, or am i misunderstanding you?

I have a Mossberg Shockwave on hold at my ffl until legislation passes to legalise it in Tx on 9/1. I want to mount it to my wall vertically, barrel up. How would you guys go about that, so that it's nice and snug but can be pulled off if shtf?

>>34417568
hold the gun against the wall where u want it vertically and gradually lower it until the stock touches the ground. then let go and the barrel should lean against the wall

>>34417735
But that's where my shoes go, anon. I don't have any spare floorspace in the room I want it in.

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>>34417568
>Mossberg Shockwave
ewww.

I have a shotgun(ksg), but I haven't shot it yet because of how many different shells there are.

So what basic shells should I get? general use will be range, HD, camping/hiking.

>>34419109
Dragons breath for range and HD. 00 buck for camping/hiking.

>>34411904
why?

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>>34411567
Relax anon, not everyone has an IQ higher than bran muffins.

>>34419379
Because thats a shotgun?

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>>34419109
2 3/4, 00 buck
-HD
-Hiking/camping(for big game)
-range

2 3/4, Birdshot/target/gameload
-range
-camping/hiking(for small game)

Dont limit yourself to any particular ammunition, the purpose of the shotgun is to fill many roles

its best to keep as many differnt types of rounds around.
-00 and 000 buck
-Target/birdshot/gameload(anything from 6-8 lead or steel).
-slugs(rifled or smooth)
-aguila mini slugs(you have a ksg, might aswell).
-get what ever else you want.

>>34419440
Not a bad little hiking defender anon, I bought a mossman 500 but I got a ranch hand and it fills the role much better imo

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>>34419655
Ive got two of them and the the PGO has the original shoulder stock with it too.

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My boomstick

Upgraded the follower, extractor and dog spring to basically make an 870 Police for like $50 in parts

>>34419655
I also have a few others
-Remington 870 wingmaster(20gauge)
-Remington 1100(12 gauge)
-H&R Topper(12 gauge)

>>34419440
Shoot any VC with that?

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>>34419731
I just got it off some dead charlie, must of picked it up off a dead GI. so no. i have not had the pleasure.

>>34419686
>Upgraded the follower, extractor and dog spring
good stuff

>>34409796
no one has the CNC path data for it?

thats fucking insane for what it is, costing that much.

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>>34411503
>>34411786
you can get XS tritium big dot front sights that go over the bead sight with JB Weld

I put one on my Norc 870 14" and it's fantastic

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>>34410978
extended safety a must, extended action slide release a must with pistol grip. broom stick bad idea, rails bite too hard on fore grip but the weight is good so they will get covers or something. somehow cheap reflex holds up. 20" barrel threaded for chokes makes this shotgun useful, as opposed to 18" no choke drywall slayer meme cannons.

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>>34419715
Got pics?
This is said ranch hand

>>34409796
IIRC, these were mostly stamped. Serious question, do you think there is a market for new production or do you think only collectors are buying these and want the genuine article?

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>>34420774
here is a older picture of the senpai, all but three not pictures
-2 ithaca
-richards double barrel.

>>34420818
there is a market. more than just collectors.

>>34409207
How about you upgrade it to being function over form?

>>34421003
How about you suck a cock I'll do what I please with my guns

>>34410826
>>34410913
>>34410933
i can't tell if you're old or young

>>34410978
man, i don't know what it is, but I hate gun camo

>>34422373
Both of those guys look fairly young to me.

>>34419020
I got a mossberg persuader.

I don't know why all the school shooters keep using it

>>34419379
Because it's the number of the Winchester Model 1887. You know, the lever action shotgun from Terminator 2? Get with the program man.

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I am more of a fan of this aesthetic. I like the combination of the heat shield, wood furniture, but with "modern" sights.

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r8 my scattergat mossberg 500, sorry for retarded picture, its my main (and only) long gun. Im going to add a shell holder, should I do anything else? I cant really add a rear optic, what kind of front sight should I use?

>>34422524
sexy as fuck mossberg

>>34422547
go shoot it, reloading from that bandolier. try shooting paper targets from different distances to understand the pattern spread. then, you'll know what it needs.

>>34409796
>>34410040
If bayonet adapters are that expensive, why the fuck aren't there aftermarket ones available? An aftermarket parts company could make a killing selling them if the demand is that high.

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Here's my Ithaca 37. She's my pride and joy.

Just picked up a mossberg 500 all purpose at a pawn shop for $215 out the door. How'd i do?

>>34423680
Oh it has a ported barrel and threaded for a choke. Anyone able to tell me what that does for me? Im not a shotgun expert.

>>34423689
It means it kills birds good. probably has a stupid long barrel. There is a 20" choke barrel available that makes the gun less awkward to swing around. still retains utility, but brings it closer to the '''muh hum dufunce''' mode people go for.

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>>34423540
i kinda want your for end, so i can throw it on mine for blasting aliens. I currently have enough stocks and variations to make any ithaca from any movie...as long as it isnt super modified or trench config.

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>>34424000
Aliens is legit the reason I bought the thing in the first place.
Just a bonus that it's now my favorite gun.

>>34423965
the porting reduces muzzle-rise, the various chokes will change the pattern of your shot

>>34414807
that looks pretty sweet, what is it?

>>34424789
Not him, but it looks like a Mossberg 500\590.

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Getting a Mossberg 590A1 later this month, should I go for the 20" or 18.5", I'm pretty noob to a shotgun but I figured the 18.5" would serve me well if shtf and some shitter snuck into my house. As I understand it, the choke has a bigger effect on the spread/pattern?

Any good HD loads? I'm a bit worried 00 buck will over penetrate, but, should I bet my life on smaller loads?

This is not primary HD, I'd like to go to the range, maybe some skeet shooting, not sure about actual game hunting though, I'd need to learn how first.

>>34425020
It is my understanding that a 12ga will lose approx. 1 decibel of muzzle blast per inch of barrel length, if that matters to you. Then there's the extra ammo capacity...

Use #1 buck for inside the house.

>>34425020
20"

You get more rounds for not a lot more in length

>>34425047
>>34425068

Thanks for the tips, any ear pro I should use? I've never used anything other than the regular squishy ear plugs, and I'm not sure if "proper" ear pro would put me at a disadvantage.

Any "fun" rounds I should look into?

>>34425117
Get the Howard Light ones that everyone uses. They have mics built in so you can hear with them on

>>34424789
cancer

>>34424789
Moss 500, it's their ati scorpion tactical model
>>34425314
Yeah most seem to hate it. It's a fun shotty.

>>34411451
You earn those jump wings?

>>34422524
Gonna need to look into doing this

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>>34425020
>20" or 18.5"
i prefer the capacity that comes with the 20"...if you haven't handled one yet, the a1 is quite front-heavy, the 18.5" has better balance

>choke has a bigger effect on the spread/pattern?
correct, hit up youtube for choke-pattern info...i wasn't aware mossberg offered an a1 barrel w/ screw-in chokes, though

>Any good HD loads? I'm a bit worried 00 buck will over penetrate
any substantial buckshot load will pass through 1-2 layers of drywall, same applies to most rifle/handgun loads....any load of #4 buckshot, or larger, between 1300-1600fps will penetrate multiple layers of clothing and easily reach the depth of vital organs, at HD distances
..my preference is high-velocity 00 buck, there are plenty of differing opinions regarding 00 for HD

>>34425117
this--->>>34425137

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>>34422373
good

I have a Benelli M2 Tactical that I'm looking to outfit with a flashlight. What is some good weapon lights for the M2?

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>>34424000
Do you have a Get Carter buttock?

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>>34427528
is this the same dude who kept wanting me to make a "get carter" ithaca.

the answer is no.

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>get thristy and get a bottle of water
>forget my 870 express sitting on a chair in the same room 5 feet away
>open water bottle
>within 10 seconds the entire gun is coated with half an inch of solid rust
every fucking time

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So I've been looking at/handling shotguns basically not really knowing what I want, but I've been gravitating toward the 590 and 870s like just about everyone else.

590s seem to be light compared to 870s and have that kickass tacticool model with the ghost ring sight, but the price of those in particular, even on used examples is excessive for a pump shotgun. What I want is an 870 with a full length magazine like the 590A1 tacticool model, but with the receiver drilled so it can have fun sights besides the bead, too.

What are my choices here? Classic blue/wood is just fine in my book, and the 870 just seems to have a pinch more quality/weight to it. I handled the Persuader and some HD models, but they didn't have drilled receivers that could accept a sight modification.

>>34428316
If you want a new manufactured 870 that isn't garbage then buy the police model. They're strengthened and can be bought NIB off of gun broker for $600

>>34428316
I don't even. You're the only person that thinks the 870 has more quality. Personally I think the mossberg is worth the extra money. But that's me. Whatever floats your goat

>>34428357
>I don't even. You're the only person that thinks the 870 has more quality.

It's probably a side effect of handling different used examples. Some were probably a lot worse than others, and a lot of the 590A1s were beat to shit.

I know the differences between the 590 and 590A1, but is there any reason to buy a 590 over the 590A1 other than price?

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Posting mine. Fuck it.

also what's the difference between a normal and cylinder chamber?

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Just bought 250 rounds of 00 buck off midways today only sale, 80 bucks with shipping. happy

>>34428471
One's stacked ontop of one another, the other is..well..a cylinder.

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>>34427818

>>34428398
other than cost the same looking 590 will be lighter than the 590a1
590 does not have the thick military heavy barrel just has the same barrel as a normal 500 barrel with the additional bayonet lug the other weight savings would be the plastic trigger group.
then again if you want the 590a1 you want the heavy barrel and metal trigger group. thats the exact reason your getting it. so theres no real benefit other than cost.

>>34428550
Ok, cool. I don't make a big deal over plastic or metal trigger guards on shot guns.

Are there any advantages of a heavy barrel other than being stronger.

>>34428570
Absorbs recoil more

>>34428596
Would it take longer to get hot as well?

>>34428611
Yeah, but you gotta work a shotgun hard to get it hot enough to do anything

>>34428398
While the 590A1 is a great shotgun. Personally, I find some of the features on it moot for civilian use, like the metal trigger guard and heavy barrel. It adds more weight and make it handle a little worse.

Based on that, I would take the regular 590 if I were you unless you plan on going into combat or you're going to absolutely beat the living shit out of it.

>>34428550
>>34428654
Thanks anons. I was tempted to buy the 590A1, but I think I'll save a little weight and order the regular 590 instead. Thank you.

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>>34409796
>>34420382
>>34423256
https://sjhardware.us/product/remington-full-bayonet-mount/


>>34428357
plenty of people say that Remington is the go too for a good shotun. Ive handle quite a few and they are quite a bit better than mossbergs. Ive had mossbergs break on me after a few rounds and i even saw one fall apart after two shots. Every remington ive had just works.

not to mention Remingtons just look better.

>>34428415
you may also dig that link above
https://sjhardware.us/product/remington-full-bayonet-mount/
it would give a bit more rigidity to your extension.

>>34428794
Their slide also don't rattle like crazy unlike the 500's

>>34427818
All your Ithacas are beautiful anyway, my man.

>>34409207
Is the new Ithaca making M37 shotguns? If they are how come I'm not seeing any at big box stores like Cabela's, Bass Pro etc?

>>34428884
Inland is actually making them in colab, they are small numbers and expensive. You would be better off ordering one from LGS or waiting around for a Ithaca that has been sitting in a office since the 70s to pop-up on armslist.

if you want it to look clean, pay 1200$, if you want ithaca to have an ithaca go on armslist and pay around 300$...sometimes up 600$.

>>34428982
I wasn't referring to the limited edition reissue trench gun. I'm talking about basic models like the defense gun, deer slayer etc. Why they don't have new guns in gun stores or big box stores.

I want to get an ithaca 37 (12 gauge) to transform into a kickass bushgun which would look like a GI issue as much as I can make it.

I sometimes find ithaca 37s being offered, but they all have chokes, which I do not want as I want to be able to fire slugs too.

My question is, since I am guessing that they are integrated chokes based on the pictures I've seen, is it realistic to saw off an inch or however long the choke is from the tip of the barrel, then expect it to work just like a non-choke shotgun would?

Plz no bully. Also I probably wouldn't do this "conversion" myself, I am just asking out of curiosity.

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Post breakdown/cleaning of my scattergat.

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>>34429050
Most M37s came with Improved Cylinder chokes with is the universal standard for running 00 Buck and Slugs.

Good luck getting the heatshiedl with bayonet lug though. They're expensive. If you want something like a Trench Gun then you're in luck. Inland Manufacturing teamed up with Ithaca to reproduce the Vietnam era M37 shotguns that were being used. They're around $1,200 new.

>>34429060
Remington 11-48 or 1100?

>>34410198
>>34410305
/raises hand

They're reliable enough, I take it? I've heard bad things about extended shottie mags.

>>34429098
>I've heard bad things about extended shottie mags.
Is that why so many people use them?

>>34429098
That's why you use a magazine clamp to keep the tube from backing out.

>>34429081
Are you saying that the chokes in M37s are not a problem for shooting slugs? I've been told that any sorr of choke means no-go for slugs.
I'm sorry for the autism, but this is my first foot in the water with shotguns after being only into rifles for so long.

>>34429163
No. A Choke is how loose or tight the end of the muzzle is and how it affects the spread pattern. Most shotguns use Improved Cylinder, which means you can shoot pretty much everything for it.

>>34429163

foster and brenneke slugs are OK for chokes, sabot and copper solids are a no go.

that being said, even if they are safe, you will still see a detriment to accuracy firing slugs through a choke.

>>34429004
same reason, low numbers and exspensive.

>>34429050
Just buy a old crusty one and cut the barrel down. If you want one you will want one for a bush gun you will want it short anyway.

>>34429081
are you retarded, you can buy a new manufactured bayonet lug and heat shield in the white for 130$. Not to mention the ones used in vietnam were pretty much all riot versions and didnt have heatshields or bayonet lugs.

>>34429163
not all chokes actually choke.

this is pretty much everything you need to know.
http://www.rem870.com/2012/05/06/shotgun-chokes-explained-cylinder-improved-cylinder-modified-full/

>>34429228
>you will still see a detriment to accuracy firing slugs through a choke.
nope, there are all kinds of chokes. as an example rifled chokes improve accuracy with slugs. Dont make broad false statements.

>>34411534
Anon, are the rear sights welded to the barrel? can we get a close up?

>>34429275
Didn't know someone was making repro heat shields for them.

>>34429336
think they are brazed its connected the same way the lug for the magtube is
if you want that type search mossberg 500 slug barrel

>>34429348
try using google next time.
literally the first website
https://www.google.com/search?q=ithaca+37+heatshield+&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

>>34425020
Bought the 18.5" 590 A1. nice gun and picked up a 28" 830 barrel for sporting clays.

Still think I should have went the 20" route. Two extra rounds and a bayonet lug and only 1.5" more overall length.

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>>34409207
Winchester 1300 reporting

>>34429086
1148. Mines marked June of '52. Fun as hell to shoot, just sorta selective on what to feed it. High brass is the only thing that works consistently.

>>34429661
Criminally underrated guns

>>34429661
>>34429889
There's obviously a market for these, why did Winchester stop making them?

>>34429906
Production stopped because U.S. Repeating Arms (Winchester's owner) shut down the New Haven plant where they were being made. The Winchester of today is merely a brand name for FN and Olin Corporation.

>>34428258
seriously can anyone help? this is only a slight exaggeration. What should I put on my gun to stop this until I can get it cerakoted. The remington dry lube didnt stop it.

>>34425020
Get the 18.5. Sure, the 20 inch holds more rounds but in a defensive context, it would be rare that you will require 6 rounds of 00 buck to stop a threat and the biggest negative to a shotgun is really the length and diminshed maneuverability.

This is an INCREDIBLY informational video on defensive shotgun use. You're doing yourself a bad thing if you do not watch this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjIzKRYkR_0&t

>>34430080
Thought you were trolling because guys like to joke that the 870 Express line rusts as soon as you look at it.

Use 0000 steel wool to take the surface rust on. As for a coating, I would use Corrosion Block or Corrosion-X, both are great.

>>34430116
I have an 18.5" 870 with a full size stock on it and it's shorter overall than me with my 5" 1911 in weaver stance.

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What is a nice and well-priced Break action shotgun for someone who has never owned one before?

>>34430310
Stoeger or however you spell it makes some pretty good ones

I recently got a CZ Sharptail SBS for 12ga. I was putting 9 pellet Remington buckshot through it on a full choke and got fucking terrible patterns at 30 yards (1-3 pellets out of 9 hit a 24" board) Any advice?

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>mfw just bought 500 rounds of S&B 00 buck for $150 shipped from midway

Hells yes

>>34430310
looking at a minimum of 700 for something new and nice
400 for something cheap

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>>34430310
I just got a richards cheapo double barrel

I need to make some BP shells for it but man, i want another already. It just feels right.

>>34430537
I said fuck it, and did the same.
>Although it was $154

There's a pistol-grip Mossman 500 at my local pawn shop. It's got the full-length mag tube and a heat shield. I believe it's the Persuader.

I've seen it a hanging up there for a little while, but suddenly I'm actually finding it appealing, just for the sheer fuckery of it. Also I've this weird glitch where I want two of everything, with slight variations. I've already got a pretty decent sporting 500 (wood, long barrel, choke tubes) so this would be a "social shotgun" 500. I figure I could swap in a conventional stock for serious business if needs be.

Is it worth it for the giggles? What's a decent price for these things?

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>>34409796
>I can understand owning 2, but once you get to the point of autism that he suffered from, it's just ruining it for everyone else, inflating the market, and potentially making it impossible for anyone to ever own one
But that is what has ruined the firearms industry. "Investment" buyers who are so clueless they will not turn a profit.

>>34430903
>worth it?
subjective
>decent price?
under 300

>>34430903
under 300 if new under 200 if used

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I'm getting tired of the kit, but I don't want to go back to wood furniture until november if I can't swing some new excessories

>>34430116
you can put tube extendos on that are longer than the muzzle, spread won't hurt it that close

>>34422524
can we get a closer pic of the front or a part list?

So I am getting a mossberg soon. Should I just skip the entry level 88 and get the 500? Thats what damn near everyone has reccomended. I plan on having it for HD but I wouldnt mind customizing it for hunting if it preforms as well as I've seen it.

>>34433815
get the 500

>>34435210
*for the sake of customization, i should say...
the action bars of a 500 arent pinned to the foregrip, and the guns can also accept the 590a1 aluminum trigger-assembly housing

>>34435266
not the same guy, but is the action bars not being pinned a good thing?

>>34435487
well, it means that, one can't simply replace the foregrip alone.. the action bars must be replaced as well
....not the case w/ a 500/590 etc

>>34435487
>>34435598
im too verbose
yes, not pinned = good