Convince me this isn't the ideal AR15 setup.

>>34403933
With the shoulder stick properly gob smacked your eyebocker is traveling to Mexico and your picture tube is somewhere in Nova Scotia.

>>34403933
>no light
guess ur only gonna need ur rifle in the day time

>>34403933
>optic mounted to carry handle.
>integrated carry handle
Enjoy your chin weld.

>>34403960
I mean if it works for the AK why not the AR

>>34403943


Talk in english.

>>34403951
True, he is missing a forward rail segment for a taclight. One small defect, but many such clamps (barrel/ FSP/ bayonet) may sub in for a light. Nice criticism.

>>34403960

If you have the time to line up a aimed shot through the scope, a chin weld is no issue whatsoever. The cheekweld is reserved for quicker iron sight usage, instead of inferior BUIS systems in place. This is a true dual-sight solution.

>>34403965
I wouldn't use the word "works" to describe an optic being mounted at the same level as your forehead.

>>34403977

Do you have any valid criticism, or just born with a very short neck?

>>34403973
I'm English THE SCOPE IS FUCKING USELESS. If you think floating your head off the stock is good for consistent shots then you've never held a rifle.

>>34403988

Do you have any proof?
What about it exactly?

>>34403986
I like to properly align my eye with the scope while maintaining a consistent cheek weld with constant, even pressure on the stock. I also like to press my trigger straight to the rear while maintaining scope alignment, ensuring there are no shadows at the edges of the reticle. I enjoy consistent hits on steel silhouettes out to 1,000 yards, well beyond what /k/ considers "effective" range for 5.56. I do not use my rifle to kill, but to place a relatively small hunk of lead and copper on a target.
My valid ciriticism is thus: the AK platform gives 7.62x39 a bad name, as with a properly mounted optic on a rifle with a floated barrel and better rigidity, it would be a very accurate intermediate caliber for target shooting out to 1k.

>>34403933
I sort of want to build that exact gun minus the acog. It's like an unfucked A2.

>>34403933
>ideal
>He must live in a world where variable optics/1913 rail dont exist

>>34403998
The proof is the picture, dippo. Where is the shooters eye? It's not behind the scope. A proper cheek weld is necessary for accurate shooting. If you can not acquire a proper cheek weld while aiming down a scope, do not mount one. You're better off getting good with your irons.

>>34404007
Dude. What is different about that rifle from the A2?

>>34404006


This is not made for target shooting, it is a combat rifle. Obviously a proper scope setup is more suited, but for combat accuracy, this one is well suited and sized.


>>34404013
You could use a detachable carry handle if you wanted, but i don't see the point.

>>34404019

Sights, stock, barrel profile are the primary things to look out for

>>34404022
Or.
You could not have a carry handle.

And you didnt address the fact that 1-4X>4X

>>34404019
>shorter A1 buttstock
>A1 sights
>pencil (non retarded profile) barrel

>>34404022
>combat rifle
>poor scope alignment means even at fifty yards rounds are going several feet high
>no possible way to index behind the scope, which means every single time you raise the rifle you have to search for proper scope alignment
>thinking two or three seconds just to align the sights is acceptable in a combat situation

It's a range toy, dumb ass. There's a reason the fixed carry handle was replaces with a railed receiver. Optics mounted on top of the handle DO NOT WORK.

>>34404027
>>34404030
Ah, I now see the A1 adjustment knob.

Can you seriously tell the .6" difference in stock length? Just by the picture?

>>34404035

Sounds like you've never held a rifle with a carry handle scope. Sorry you're incapable of finding the sight picture, it's really quite simple as it's just above the sight plane of your iron sight cheekweld. And yes, if you're using your optic, that means you have time to aim. Most fire in combat is indiscriminate, or CQB based where you would naturally default to your iron sight picture.

>poor scope alignment means even at fifty yards rounds are going several feet high

What?

>>34403951
>having a light on your gun
>only being able to see something by pointing your gun at it

super smart

>>34404043

The vintage a1 stocks are shinier. look close. Most a2 stocks are are more matte finish.

>>34404050
Yes, because one handing a rifle is a much better alternative.

If I have a rifle in my hands it's because I have a good fucking reason.

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>>34403951
Who the fuck needs a flashlight that makes you lit like a christmas tree to enemies when you have NODs?

>>34404050

>having a light on your gun menas you can't carry another one

damn i need to unlock that perk!

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>>34404018
sounds like you're talking out of your ass because of what "muh instructor" taught you.

>>34403933

A2 carry handle > A1 carry handle

otherwise I agree. Really like that muzzlebrake, too.

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>>34404049
>doesn't know how scope shadow affects point of impact
>calls others out for "never having used a carry handle mounted optic"
negro, please.

>>34403986
lmao

>>34404072
If you want shitty groups, use a handle mounted optic. You asked for ideal. An optic on the handle with a flat stock is far from ideal. Sure, you can ghetto blast man size groups and ten yards all day and pretend you're operator, but good luck ringing steel at six hundred yards with that shit.

>>34404087
Hitting anything at that distance is not possible.

>>34404082

>marine sniper manual

lmao dude it's for grunts with an m16. you're not firing at the ranges for this to be a problem, or the accuracy needed that a sniper requires.

Isn't that just a stupid way to say 'parallax' for idiots that also are fucking up eye relief at the same time?

No wonder the marines came out with the M16A2. Idiots.

>>34404072
>LEO with an AR, known for their marksmanship skills, amirite?
>barely touching the stock
>entirety of hand guard is in frame, meaning he's resting the BARREL on his car door in a fee float tube
>temporary switch for his light is in between two sections of rail conveniently placed to fall no where near his fingers with a proper grip
Tier one operator here, evacuating skulls from 500 yards, first round every time.

>>34404098
>>34404102
4chan memesters actually believe this! One weird trick to improve accuracy the government DOESN'T WANT YOU TO KNOW!
Again, if you're giggling like an idiot and mag dumping at 25 yards, only occasionally missing the target completely, go ahead and put your optic on the carry handle. If you want to learn how far 5.56 can actually make steel ring like a bell, learn to do better.

>>34404102
Parallax and scope shadow are two different things. Parallax is referring to the focal point between the two lenses allowing the image of the reticle to be optically "at the same distance" as the target. This means that looking at diferent points on the reticle will not shift point of impact.

For example, with proper parallax adjustment let's say the bullseye of the target is point of impact and you have centered the bullseye in the scope crosshair. If you focus on the right most portion of the reticle and press the trigger without moving the reticle, the bullet will still impact the bullseye. The point of aim and impact are still the same

With improper parallax adjustment and in the same situation, when you look at the right side of the reticle you will see the center of the crosshair drift away from the bullseye, point of aim and point of impact deviating from each other. With improper parallax also making it difficult to hold the target and the reticle both in focus at the same time

Scope shadow just means your eyeball is not directly behind the center of the scope, doesn't matter which direction your eyeball is actually facing.

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>>34404080
>Really like that muzzlebrake, too.

That is literally the A2 flash hider.

>>34404143

I've done a good amount of reading on the subject after looking at your post.

What you are talking about sounds an awful lot like a manifestation of parallax. Who taught you this 'scope shadow'?

>>34404165
You can tell they're two different things by just looking down a scope with more than 10x magnification and adjustable parallax. They definitely affect each other, but they are diferent phenomenon. The best way to see this is to intentionally set the parallax wrong on your scope. Put the center of the crosshair on an obvious reference point, like a bullseye. Turn your eyeball to look at the edge of the reticle WITHOUT moving you head. You will notice in the corner of your vision, the center of the crosshair is no longer on top of the bullseye. That is parallax. You will also notice that there is no shadow at the edge of the scope as your eye is still aligned with the reticle. The focal point of the light coming through the tube is still hitting your eye.

Now, adjust your parallax to where it should be and look down your scope. Slowly move your entire head to the side while looking directly forward. You will see a crescent shaped shadow forming at the edge of the scope. THIS is scope shadow and comes from improper alignment of your scope and eye.

Another neat way to visualize this is with a flashlight, an unmounted scope, and a piece of paper. Lay the scope on the paper and shone the light directly into the objective (target side) lens. You will see a cone of light form on the paper. That's the light being focused down towards your eye which is what creates magnification. You can also use this to find exactly the right point of eye relief in you scope.

>>34403988
>This noob doesn't chin weld

The only rifle you held is your Grandfather's Deer Rifle.

>>34404165
Addendum, reading is awesome. Read bunches and bunches about anything you do well, but remember that mastery comes from experience. Take all that reading, get a single shot break action rifle and a medium end leopold and shoot some groups at 100 yards with just a front bag. Pay attention to all the littl details you learned about, scope shadow, parallax, breathing, trigger control. You'like be surprised how well a 200 dollar gun can shoot and how quickly you can learn to use a scope to exacting levels of precision. My advice is to have a pro shop install the scope and measure the rifle and hoe you mount it to get the scope exactly perfect.

>>34404221
My grand daddy served in 'nam and thought my spankin new AR15 was pretty nifty.

>>34404165
>>34404226


Okay.

But i still don't see how it applies to a basic bitch combat rifle.

Shadow crescent is so obvious. You just move your head until it's not there. Not exactly rocket science, never knew it had a particular name.

>>34404209
>>34404245

>>34403933
He is not properly utilizing his sling.

>>34404245
It applies to "basic bitch" combat rifles because when habib pulls his head out of that goats ass that he's using for cover, you have a second to fire at him. If it takes you two seconds to properly align your scope every time you shift positions, you have missed your target before it even presented itself. You asked for IDEAL. Wasting time is not ideal. It is passable at best, mediocre. Do you want a mediocre rifle with a useless optic, restricted peripheral view, and no real world use? If so, again, get your carry handle optic. If that's what you think is """aesthetic""" then go for it. I know you're just getting it as a range toy and it will do fine for that. I like to shoot IPSC and 3 gun so I like to have something a little slicker, but that's just one man's opinion.

>>34404234
Tell your grandpops I thank him for his service. The way veterans of Vietnam were treated and forgotten enrages me.

>>34404269
He was air cav, he trained with the guy who wrote "we were soldiers once, and young". He has a signed copy in his safe. He came back with no major injuries and is mostly over the mental trauma now. He still manages to be up on a ladder every year on Fourth of July and inevitably jumps the hell off when the city tests mortar alignment for the big fireworks show.

>>34404291
Hot fucking shit. AIR MOBILE FOR EVER. AIR ASSUALT.

>>34404265

One last question.

Are you in the Marines? I need to know before i waste my time writing squiggly lines.

>>34404404
No, the pic I posted detailing scope shadow was solely for your benefit as I know most anon's can't internalize knowledge without pretty info graphics. The marine training manual just so happened to be the first ripped image I stumbled across in Google. My grand dad taught me to shoot, the aforementioned helo dropped high yield explosive device that BTFO gooks so hard other tunnel rats started copying his strategies. He has several marksmanship awards with his framed memorabilia.
Fun tidbit, while other tunnel rats were crawling through pungi pits, spider holes, and dark tunnels, my grand dad would just shove a grenade fuse into a brick of c4 and collapse the tunnels. He also had some interesting stories about "interrogations"

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>>34404404
>faggot OP abandons thread after his ironic shit post asking someone to prove his raifu is bad
>someone who actually knows how to shoot comes in and pisses down his barrel
>m..muh combat rifle
>carry handle optics were never used in wartime
>m..muh works just fine!
>after specifically stating his rifle was ((((ideal))))
>still thinks he's jerking it to the worlds best rifle
>not even the best iteration, even the AR fags agree
OPfw

>>34404430
Seeing as thread is dead, I'll post a fun story about grand dad getting info from gooks out inna bush. He said he used to tie one of them to a tree with a suicide vest on. They would stick c4 on a bunch of trees nearby, wire everything to a big cluster of clackers with tangled wires so you couldn't tell what was what. They would ask Mr. Commie a question, walk back to their safe zone with the clackers, and blow up a random brick of c4. Rinse repeat. He said he never got to the second brick before they started blabbering all kinds of juicy details. He never told me if the suicide vest was actually rigged to blow or not. He also used to cook food over a burning pellet of c4 because he didn't like the smell of the little ration heaters or some such thing. I think my grand dad just secretly has a fetish for explosives.

>>34404565

No, im here. Literally don't care. Beside some sperging about the scope, it was quite well received.


You can return to ARG at your will

>>34403933

is it me or does that barrel look kinda thin for an A2?

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>>34404637

wait a fucking second. this fucking faggot just has an abortion of a rifle. fuck this fat piece of shit desu senpai

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>>34404565
> Never used in wartime
*Cough* Gothic Serpent *Cough*

>>34404652
Carry handle sights existed for AR's before you were born. Rifle is fine, unlike your capitalization and punctuation in your sentences.

Perfect AR:

Free float lightweight mlok rail
18-20 inch barrel
Rifle gas
Light back up folding irons
A quality variable like an accupoint

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>>34404565
>>34404752

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>>34404791

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>>34404565
> hurr durr never used in wartime

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>>34404801

>>34403933
>20 meme barrel
>meme handle
>fixed meme
>meme assist

Where's the bipod?

>>34404808
>3 round burst @200 yards.
>Group an inch around.
>Meme.

>>34404823
>that
>happening

>>34404829
Skeletor skelington detected

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>>34404565

>>34404050
>not having a light on your rifle
>not being able to ID whatever silhouette you're about to blast away in your living room at 3am

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>>34403933
>>34403960

>>34403933
>Carry handle optic
I can no longer carry it by the carry handle. If I'm extremely lucky I can still use the sights, but there's a massive optic obscuring my view.

Congratulations, the carry handle serves two purposes and you have defeated both. Rail mount your optic and put a rear flip sight on it for a fallback.

>AFrame, non-floating handguard
Probably not a huge issue if you're worried about combat accuracy. That said, if you plan to do anything other than return fire, good luck.

>Handguard that cannot accept attachments
No

>But muh clamps & bayonet lug
No

>Fixed Stock
If it's light and you don't want adjustments, Coolio.

>>34404779

If he was LARPing as some soldier in the 80s when A1s were getting A2 'upgrades' id let it slide but its ugly as fuck also don't worry, everyone cares about and notices your perfect grammer on a Chinese baluga whale watching forum :^)

>>34404779
there is literally no acceptable reason to use carry handle optics in this day and age

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>>34405713
Period accuracy

>>34405760
*for non repro purposes

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Well for starters there's the whole
>carry handle-mounted ACOG
shitshow going on.

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>>34403988
Yeah, no. While not ideal, it's 100% usable. That's the exact setup I had when I deployed and it served me fine.

>>34404067
What if your enemy can see infrared too?
Or are you planning on fighting poor people only?

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>>34403988
>USELESS
You're fucking exaggerating and you goddamn well know it. Chin weld is perfectly usable, just not ideal.

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>>34404082
Then just maintain your sight picture you fucking noob. Why are you retarded?

>>34405363
>I can no longer carry it by the carry handle.
Yes, you can. Instead of assuming that you have the hands of an infant, I'll just assume you haven't tried.

>If I'm extremely lucky I can still use the sights,
Your idea of extreme luck is everyone else's definition of "run of the mill." I've never encountered a carry handle mount that you couldn't use the irons through.

>but there's a massive optic obscuring my view.
Again, I just have to assume you have no experience with these, because you can actually use the narrow channel provided by carry handle mounts to line up your front and rear irons more consistently.

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>>34405818
Every time I see an acog on a carry handle it reminds of that episode of the unit that .gif related comes from.

>>34405836
Literally anyone with a sense of sight can see visible light. Are you suggesting that it's better to be visible to everyone instead of almost no one?

>>34403933
>FA
put it in the trash

>>34403933
>A1
Nope.

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>>34405928
S'truth, Colt optic iron sight picture is pretty comfy.

>>34403943
Kek

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This is the ideal AR-15. You may not like it, but this is what peak performance looks like.

>>34406778
>polymer lower
epic bait!

>>34406778
>how many mistakes can I cram into one rifle?
>let's find out...

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>>34406778
That whole thing is just goddamned unfortunate.

>>34406928
why is that?

>>34403960
I agree, I love fixed carry handles, but putting an optic on top of them makes shit tall, you'll really want a cheek-riser on your stock if you're putting an optic on the carry handle.

>>34403965
That's just it. Chinwelds don't really work for anything. People get away with them, mainly because 99.99999999% of rounds fired worldwide every year are not fired at other people, but that's about it. They get away with it.

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>>34404124
>people have never done long distance shooting with an optic on their carry handle

>>34403998
Parallax. Every optic has it. If you can not place your face on the gun in a consistent manner, even if the scope never moves off target you have the potential to miss.

Now, certain optics have so little parallax at certain distances it's a relative nonissue, but a lot of scopes have significant parallax (especially at close ranges), and regardless it still effects accuracy.

>>34403943

What are you trying to say?

>>34408989
Notice the cheek riser?

That eliminates the chinweld.

Eliminating the chinweld eliminates the problem.

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>>34405200
Chances are, if anyone other than me is in my living room at 3am they are going to get blasted regardless of if I can identify them or not.

>>34404829
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HdZ6WLrEnA