>These are supposed to be LIGHT Infantry Why don't Americans

>>34401642
There is nothing light about light infantry.

Meanwhile, heavy mech units keep all their shit inn the vic and drive everywhere.

>>34401642
Those are mortarmen.

>>34401674

Yes, one would expect mortarmen in a light infantry unit.

>>34401711
Are you being sarcastic?

>>34401711
I'm not sure if you're actually retarded or just pretending to be.

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>>34401711
>Heavy Weapons Unit
>Is light infantry

>>34401734
>>34401775
>>34401786

I'm trying to point out that Americans throw around the Light Infantry term, but have no idea what it means

>>34401804
When is the last time a light infantry unit like the one you are referring to has done anything significant? Network centric combined arms is the name of the game today. Requires carrying shit.

>>34401786
Where else would you find soldiers carrying a fucking mortar around on their backs?

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>>34401642
Light infantry means no vehicles, you big dummy. They have to carry all their shit

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light infantry means no vehicles. Which means you have to hump all your shit yourself.

>>34401642
>Assuming "light infantry" indicates that their loads should be light
>Not understanding that it doesn't mean armored or cav.
>fucking summer /k/

>>34402397
>>34402398
>>34402427

>Forcing your "Light Infantry" to carry useless equipment for battle is a good idea

>>34401804
Oh, nevermind, you're retarded.

>>34402456
>Assuming most of their shit is useless
And thats how ya tell you never served. Ah summer /k/amp

>>34402456
>useless

Fake news

They're just carrying their sleeping bags and shit you fucking imbecile

>>34401786
Found the never served

>>34402529
No most of it is. Hes right in that assumption. T.light infantry

>>34401642
I WISH we had light infantry as in dudes with rifles, some grenades, some ammo and a map (one dude with a radio, one dude a medic) who just ran really fucking fast

>>34402661
There the boot

>>34402661
Fuck off lid

>>34402672
Larpers?

>>34402689
Have no idea what you were trying to say, and I'm not even the anon you replied to.

>>34402672
>>>/v/

>>34402672
Would their perk be infinite sprint or silent footsteps, though?

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>>34402672
You mean Rangers? If you land on the x and extract on the x, you don't need to bring shit.

>>34401711
uh, no, you wouldn't

the biggest thing in a light infantry unit's arms room should be an m240. 11Cs dont get attached this way anymore, and almost every single 11C in the army anymore is shooting out of a back of a 113 or stryker in the other 90% of the infantry/scout world that is too heavy to be considered "light".

if you're in a HMMWV with a .50cal, you're not light

>>34403085
>no mortars
>no SMAWs
>no stingers
>no javelins
>no anti tank weapons

russia would love you as the secretary of defense

>>34403085
That's only because the US has been fighting in deserts for the last few decades. The moment America goes back to a jungle or mountainous environment where vehicles can't go, mortarmen will be carrying shit around again.

>>34403113
US army's AT weapons are all 1 man weapons slapped onto whatever weapon you're already walking around with, not a 3 man mortar team carrying 500Lbs of mortar related shit

please don't make out of context comparisons

>>34402456
>Ammo is useless
>Radios are useless
>Food and water is useless
>first aide is useless
>Dry clothes and socks are useless
>wet/cold weather gear is useless
>woobies are useless
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yG0oBPtyNb0

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>>34403085
>>34403149
Naw man, it's still Shank's mare to get a 60mm where it needs to be. Light infantry just means it can walk somewhere, not that it's going to be fun.

>>34403187
you were the one that said "the biggest thing in a light infantry unit's arms room should be a m240". a stinger is bigger than an m240.

>>34402672
>2087
>Sino-American war kicks off
>finally.holo
>enlist
>pass boot camp with flying colors, got a gold star next to my name every day
>they notice I can run really fast
>advance to Light Scout school
>pass that too
>fast-forward to theater
>a couple of enemy observation outposts on a ridge 20 klicks out, orders are to fuck it up
>we strap on our EXOS and guns, mark the camps as A, B, and C on our HUD helms, and head out
>sprint there cuz fuck Humvees, they can't climb ridges
>arms back just like Naruto
>fuck yeah, classic anime
>sneeki breeki into outpost
>lights are on, but nobody's home
>what the fu-
>HUD helm picks up IR beams lighting up the whole camp and bullets start flying
>Sgt. killaDJ99 is down instantly
>our medic, Pvt. FREEWEEZY_NIQQA, instantly starts shooting up the whole team's supply of combat drugs and sprinting back towards the base at Mach Kenyan; last words: "SSSSHHHHHHIIIIIiiieeeeee...."
>some take cover behind some shitty brick walls
>they're quickly cut down as the micro-explosives and caseless penetrators easily pierce the stone
>fucking wallhackers
>I crouch in a questionably placed but tactically convenient trench
>others start jogging to B on the main path
>all of them are slotted in seconds
>fucking scrubs, use your map
>Lt. FiReFoRcEDrAgOn starts screaming into our only radio for air support
>base radios back that he needs to confirm at least five kills before a bombing run can be authorized
>make a break for the side path to capture B (we've already been at A for, like, 20 seconds)
>feel a huge bolt of pain in my chest
>can't breathe, drop instantly
>should've opted for the armor perk instead of three frags
>as I ebb from this world forever, bathed in agony, my HUD helm plays a feed it picks up from the enemy
>big-ass Chinese on the top that says "杀死相机"
>wut
>see instant replay of me getting clipped through some slant's scope as my vision fades
>f-fucking hardscoper...
>ded
>mfw

>>34403187
stfu faggot
OPs picture is literally 10th mountain having been choppered into the airport in haiti. it isn't as if they're going on a 15km march or anything.
secondly, yes an entire 100lb mortar is split up into a 3 man section. the bombs are carried by the entire company of light infantry.

>>34401642
>1 BCT air assualt into haiti
studying up on your board questions specialist?

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>americucks think you need a lot of gear
you just need men with rifles, some ammo, good sleeping bags and bivoac bags and food. with good survival skills you could be out there for a few weeks without having to lug around a lot of shit with you.


americucks don't do it because they know fuckall about survival

>tfw when the taliban are better light infantry than americucks

>>34403250
the biggest actual weapon

drawing an AT4 is literally like drawing a grenade, there is no "rocket class" in the military. mortarmen carry a mortar around with the intent to set up a mortar and fire a mortar, 11Bs run around with machine guns and M4s with the intent to engage with machine guns. if someone says they might have a tank or a couple APCs, you may or may not have AT weapons with you

i know you're gonna try very hard to make this an argument in semantics but calm down and let us educate you

>>34403324
you're comparing guerrillas to light infantry there bub.
t. you know jack-all about what a soldier needs.

>>34401642
>>34402397

are their knees gonna be ok?

>>34403380
nope. but only because they're not wearing their pt belts.

What's the modern day equivalent of heavy weapons and armor frontline infantry?

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>>34403413
armor.

>>34401642
Because the overwhelming majority of military leadership is:

1. Non-combat arms
2. Non-infantry
3. Non-light/airborne/SOF

...which means they have their head straight up their fucking ass when it comes to the average assaulter.

CAG and the Ranger Regiment leads the way when it comes to kit for infantry, and yet the fucking conventional force completely ignores the lessons learned they provide. In the 90's when armored plates became available, both CAG and Regiment began a streamlining process to reduce the weight of the armor worn by the average assaulter, and they chose to only wear the armor when it didn't hinder mobility, ie, during MOUT ops and raids when delivered by air assets. When the conventional force started to get funds for armor, not only did they buy shitty armor that hadn't been used by CAG / Regiment, but they decided that it was a uniform item, instead of a piece of protective equipment, and expected their troops to wear that shit at all times, even when humping a ruck....which was fucking STUPID.

The bottom line is that the competent U.S. military fighting leadership is overwhelmed, and outranked, by the fucking MORONS, which is why bitches and faggots are now expected to fill the ranks of front line combat units.

FUCK the military! Only a fucking moron would enlist today.

>>34401642
That poor bastard humping the base plate.

F

>>34401674
Mortars are an integral part of light infantry.

>>34403444
imagine not being a leg and having to jump with said base plate.

>>34403329
>Tank

Shooting a tank with a recoiless rifle or RPG isn't a productive use of an infantryman's time.

AT4 and shit are for hitting hard points and light armor.

>>34403324
>People the Americans have literally slaughtered are better anything

Yeah, that's why the Taliban is able to indefinitely occupy Washington DC.

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>>34402397

>>34403329
>an AT4 is not a weapon, it's like a grenade
you are fucking mentally ill

>>34403477
>Shooting a tank with a recoiless rifle or RPG isn't a productive use of an infantryman's time.
as opposed to what?

>>34403474
I don't want to if he is using a Crash 10

Everyone I see coming out of the service has shot backs, and blown knees.

It really needs to be addressed.

>>34402672
so airsofters?

>>34403487
>What?

Javelin or TOW can handle a tank, but most of the time light infantry encountering a tank has the fun job of telling someone else and letting a fucking viper handle it.

>>34403522
and what are they going to do during that? hold on to their balls and try to pretend they're not getting hit with cannon fire?

>>34403531


>and what are they going to do during that? hold on to their balls and try to pretend they're not getting hit with cannon fire?

Most of the time when light infantry locates a tank it's going to be before they get into contact with it. Light infantry is all about engaging on their own terms, so holding their balls and waiting is 99% of the infantry experience anyway.

>>34403531
>hold on to their balls and try to pretend they're not getting hit with cannon fire?

I'm sorry, I fail to see how this is not representative of all light infantry everywhere.

>>34401804
>I'm trying to point out that Americans throw around the Light Infantry term, but have no idea what it means

It seems you actually don't know what it means.

>>34403324
>with good survival skills

Oh god it's this faggot again.

No effective conventional military force in the modern age relies entirely on scavenging for food and supplies.

>>34403766
Well, there's field craft. That's less snake eating then observation, stealth and navigation in the field.

>>34403807
Dedicated units do this better than bog standard infantry.

>>34403047
Nice illustration why body armor is useless against peer adversary. Steeling photo.

>>34403277
Glorious
>nice dubs as well

>>34403962
Uhhh, those are plate carriers.

>>34403329
Serve in the military, then you hopefully know what you're talking about. Your post sounds like some 16 year old video gaming kid. Lol a rocket launcher isnt a wepn cuz in cowadutty u pack it in the equipment slot and its one shot only XDxD.

>>34403277
Check'd

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>>34401642
How can you be this dense? The whole point of "light infantry" in both antiquity and modernity is to engage the enemy with minimal logistical support as part of an avant-garde, distinct from the main force. Both a Greeknigger in a pelt with some slings and javelins and some Amerilards hauling mortars and Javelins fulfill the same conceptual role.

inb4 sauce its charlotte sarte

>>34401642
>ROPE

IS DAT SUM ROPE I SEE! Nice. Thought it all died out right after desert storm.

>>34404358
Actually greekniggers were almost solely all heavy infantry, it's why their tiny ass absolutely fucking wrekt the Persians in basically every fight. The Persians were a frontline of light infantry with wicker shields and a metric fuckton of bows behind them, which work great against the stepp barbarians to the east and other Persians, but did diddly to the heavy greek Phalanx.

It's why they could not defeat the Greeks when they absolutely should have, and then got wrekt when Alexander the greats dad united the greek states and Alexander pushed into Persia.

>>34403239
Worst body armor ever. Only good for humvees in ied laden places.

Too bad I never got to wear a plate carrier.

>people honestly replied to him
Summer heat sure is scorching

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>>34404368
>Actually greekniggers were almost solely all heavy infantry
true but that's beside the point. they were originally a thracian and anatolian phenomenon but eventually the greeks adopted them

feel free to add historical tidbits but there's no need to frame the premise of your post with an "aaahhhctually"

Since when are Americans light

>>34403440
Early 2003 we would take off our body armor and put them in our rucks for marches.

I guess someone vetoed that idea later on.

Sucks wearing an MTV while wearing a ruck, 240 and M16a4 because female sncos need pistols and m4s in the rear. At least everybody had m4s now.

>>34404381
>were originally a thracian and anatolian phenomenon

Not true as Athenians and Lacedaemians developed it at the same time.

When the thracians joined the Persian push into Greece (a smart move) they got BTFO too.

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Hello this is Jaeger

>imagine running around afghan mountains in alice gear and and just a light a1 or xm carbine

would be delicious and i wouldn't be huffing and puffing as much.

>>34404402
Sorry I just learned our light infantry is more akin to rangers, so technically they don't belong in this thread.

>>34401642
its a leftover term from pre firearm warfare and we need to name our shit with cool edgy names like cavalry.

>>34404358
the whole point of "light infantry" was to separate it from the "heavy infantry" which no one has in modern day

Basicly neither light infantry or heavy infantry exist today, "light infantry" is just non mechanized infantry

>>34404428
Isn't 4th ID in teh army heavy infantry?
I only know that because during OIF they were denied passage north by the turks. That was one of the few times I saw many army infantry on the news with a4s and a2s. Not a m4 among them.

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Why don't Europeans know their own history.

The Light Infantry *has always been loaded with luggage.* In the early 1700s, light infantry units already carried their packs all the time. They had to: unlike line infantry who traveled with the main army, light infantry elements ranged ahead,. Which means they have to live off the land. Which means they carried their stuff with them in case they need to camp down for the night far away from the main army.

Hell, the experience of light elements moving fast on campaign caused late 18th century European military thinkers to give backpacks to ALL infantry units. Hence by the Napoleonic wars, damn near every soldier had a light infantry style pack.

>>34401642
Because amerimemes aren't light.

So what's the purpose of light infantry? Shit firepower and shit mobility doesn't sound like a winning combination

>>34404435
if having an a2 instead of an m4 constitutes heavy infantry I honestly don't know what to tell you

>>34404453
so that we have people trained as dedicated infantrymen to use infantry tactics in areas to rough for vehicles.

Areas I assume they wont need anti armor capabilities

By the late 19th century the concept of fighting in formation was on the wane due to advancements in weaponry and the distinctions between light and heavy infantry began to disappear. Essentially, all infantry became light infantry in operational practice. Some regiments retained the name and customs, but there was in effect little difference between them and other infantry regiments."

The purpose of light infantry is to sound cool

>>34403380
No. Not even a little bit. Every former infantryman I know has incredibly bad knees, hips, ankles, backs, shoulders... Pretty much everything.

Gentlemen

How do we create the "Medium Infantry"?

>>34404648
bring back jeeps and open top humvees
alice gear with pasgt vests

>>34403531
>and what are they going to do during that? hold on to their balls and try to pretend they're not getting hit with cannon fire?

A better plan that drawing attention by hitting it with something that doesn't penetrate!

t. navyfag (I have no idea what to do about a tank if I can't open up with a 5" autocannon)

>>34401642
My legs are ok.

>>34401830
This.

Most other countries don't have the money to or infrastructure to carry out anywhere near the caliber of operations the US is capable of carrying out, hence, they don't need to carry around specialized equipment.

When your soldiers only need a gun and there is literally nowhere for you even deploy your useless footmen to, yeah, they're not going to be carrying shit. Obviously.

>>34404368
Did you sleep through the Peloponnesian Wars?

>>34404358

Ehh probably has a penis.

>>34404897

So does your girlfriend (male) but I don't hear you complaining about that

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>>34404902

>Girlfriend

>>34404146
cant think of a single game that does that tho

>>34404360

>Port-au-Prince

That's Haiti right there, so it's only 1994

>>34404882
Even in the greek wars, it was still heavy infantry.

Light infantry played a small role.

>>34401642
>Why don't Americans understand the Light Infantry concept?
Ironic considering you don't even understand what the "light" in "light infantry" is referring to, fucking retard.

>>34403324
Yeah, if you can just pillage, rob and steal food and water from every village you come across, and if you're rekt anyways when you get wounded, you don't need all this other shit.

>>34405467
>rob
I meant rape ofc

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>>34404402

>>34401711
We'll, the pack howitzer was to "heavy" to carry!

>>34402456
>Not just airstriking the mountains and forests flat and building a road over it.

>>34403380
They will until they hit 30. But by then they'll be out of the service so fuck 'em.

>>34402456
7th cavalry in the I drang valley had mortars

>Cavalry
>mortars

Wrap your head around that!

>>34406511
The spiritual successor to galloper guns?

>>34403477
Washington DC has been occupied by foreigners & africans for decades

OP should remember you cannot rely on any firepower YOU don't directly control. He/she/xir should also remember mortars are fucking wonderful in urban areas where flat trajectory weapons are blocked by terrain.

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>>34404383

>>34402397
>>34401642
Is that what 10th Mountain looks like, except going through mountains? Sounds rough

>>34404392
During operation Anaconda in A-stan back in the day, some dumb ass leadership mandated that their dudes wear armor, which means they infilled with a combat load in their LCE, and rucks, while wearing that fucking armor.....in the fucking A-stan mountains. Most of those units didn't reach their objectives due to the fact that they were so fucking heavy they couldn't move.

"Leaders" are too fucking stupid to realize that "force protection" and "safety" kit are useless if using them means you can't complete your fucking mission.

>>34403380
Now way man, they're already gone and they just don't know it yet.

>>34404453
>So what's the purpose of light infantry?

To operate in areas that vehicles can't reach. Mountains, jungles, swamp, forests, buildings, are all areas that vehicles can't effectively reach outside of roads or trails.

>Shit firepower

Depends on the unit, but they can carry enough shit to kill tanks and IFV's alike. See: Javelin missile

>shit mobility

On the contrary, they are THE most mobile force on the battle field. There is no place light infantry can't reach. None. They just can't reach it as fast on foot. One of the best things about light infantry is that they are so versatile. They can infiltrate on foot, or you can load them up in trucks or helicopters and deliver them en masse from point A to point B. Hell, you can even toss those fuckers out of airplanes. Light infantry are the best units any army will have as they're fitter, and actually spend more time training fire and maneuver then they do doing vehicle maintenance.

>>34407523
There is no such place that a vehicle can't reach but infantry can
Vehicles can be tracked, amphibious, can climb vertical walls, and can fly

Infantry can't do shit other than get ambushed

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>>34407539

I guess I should have been more specific for all the retards in the thread, like you.

You can, of course, get to most places in a copter....if you have a copter, and the weather to fly it is right. However, there are indeed millions of square miles of terrain that wheeled and tracked vehicles can't reach without a road, but the infantry can on foot.

>Infantry can't do shit other than get ambushed

You do realize that every IED attack in A-stan and Iraq that resulted in the catastrophic destruction of U.S. vehicles, including tanks and IFV's, were initiated by enemy infantry, right?

You really didn't think that post through, did you, sunshine?

We're done.

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>>34407726
>However, there are indeed millions of square miles of terrain that wheeled and tracked vehicles can't reach without a road, but the infantry can on foot.

This is not true
What MAY be true is that existing US military vehicles can't get to those places
Because they are top heavy as fuck, too heavy, designed around armor rather than mobility

Infantry flying in their own paramotors could reach anywhere in the world much faster than walking by foot.
Thats the real future of mobility

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>>34401642
Its pretty much standard these days.

>>34408296
enjoy being a fucking bullet magnet flying in one of those things.
There are people who are way smarter than you who it is their job to study and develop military strategy.
You are not one of those people.

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>>34408312
Infantry mounted Hellfire missile? Grainy 2008 cell phone images? Oh yes, baby.

Suddenly your own life doesnt seem to suck anymore...

>>34408343
They can carry 600 lbs
200 lbs for the person, 100 lbs for his gear, and 300 lbs for all around level IV armor

US military has no idea what its doing, neither do the grunts serving in it.

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>>34408357
>it's an Ameriboo craves attention from Americans post

>>34408357
of course, the largest and greatest military fighting force on the planet should've asked some neet cuck fuck like yourself for guidance

>>34403380
No, and that's why carrying hundred pound packs as """light infantry""" is fucking retarded.

>>34408357
>implying level IV armor will do jack shit against .50bmg, or hell, even repeated 7.62 hits.
>implying your chute won't be torn to bits in anything other than perfect weather.

Got me to respond, 6/10

>>34408296
>Using some slow ass, noisy, heavy bullshit to do anything in an actual combat environment.

That's among the most retarded ideas I've heard yet.

You must be what, 12? 13?

Clean your room, kid, and stay off the internet.

>>34408433
Their knees, and the rest of their bodies, are expendable. That's part of why the military has an early retirement. Humans get used up so fresh flesh is required. Nature of the business. War isn't for the benefit of the troops fighting it.

>>34401642
>light infantry
>carrying more than a rifle, chest rig, 3+1 mags, ifak, and grenades

>>34401642
>America
>Light anything

I don't think YOU understand America....

>>34408434
Yes plate armor can easily withstand multiple hits from .50bmg
Chutes are robust, you can poke lots of holes in them and they won't fall apart.

>>34408442
50 mph is pretty fast, it's an addition for infantry mobility, not a replacement for super sonic jets...
It's not THAT noisy, plus there can be a lot of improvement.
And obviously you wouldn't be rucking the thing, thats the whole point, it can fly!

>>34408357
>US military has no idea what its doing, neither do the grunts serving in it.

t. 18 year old Yurpoor conscript

>>34401804
I think you're the one who's confused here

>>34403047
holy shit, our guys are big.

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>>34412492

Afghans are literal midgets

Look at this fuck

Compare his height to his M16

>>34403277
witnessed

>>34412521
Oh hey, someone my size.

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>>34412521
Makes me wonder how small arms would be if we were all manlets.

>>34412591
*how different

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>>34408296
>infantry flying in their own paramotors

Nigga you're not even trying

i'm not sure if this is some obese kid that didn't pass ROTC or if you're legit retarded

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>>34408296
>fly in one of these cuntcopters
>enemy scouts notice you
>get fired at from below
>can't see who is shooting at you
>can't shoot back
>try to land and get stuck in a tree
>bleeding out
>wew

What would you even do once you've landed? You'd have to leave that junk behind, and you'd still have to walk everywhere.
You'd also have no food or shelter with you since you chose a flying moped instead of a big backpack.

Nobody should make stupid suggestions like this if they have not been in service

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>>34403277
Well done.

>>34401642
that's from at least 20 years ago.

What are they carrying? It seems like you could trim most of that down.

>>34413097
I see tent poles, sleeping pads, mortar parts, field shovels etc.
Basically they are carrying everything they need to survive a couple of nights in the field.
Obviously they won't fight in that getup and they are not carrying that much for fun.
So you can't really trim any of that down, they already have.

>>34401786
>not lifting heavy things up and putting them down

>>34412591
big arms

>>34413245
UU
UU

>>34401642
>Thinking the "light" in "light infantry" means that they are lightweight

My fucking sides

>>34401642
Interesting bait

>>34403329
Wrong. The Marine Corps has an assaultman MOS who's job is to employ heavier weapons (ie your rocket launchers) to deal with fortifications. Damn kid, I've never served and I know that. Perhaps you're the one that needs educating.

Light infantry desperately need those unpowered exoskeletons that use only springs to work. Even if they're clunky and have to be taken off before battle, so as long as it bears the weight of their marching load it will be worth every penny. Many millions saved on the VA because their legs should be OK.

>>34412818
Yes you shoot back
why wouldn't you have IR/thermal goggles that spot the enemy
What is the rest of your squad doing during this time

Why would you land instead of engaging the enemy

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>>34402672
>war lasts 15 minutes just like my vidya

I hate myself for responding to this bait thread

>>34408353
I was supposed to do something similar but slightly less retarded until I got booted out due to health reasons :(

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>>34413151
Those aren't tent poles, they are aiming stakes for the mortar. You can nigger rig a tent with them and a tarp but that's not what they're for.

>>34402456
You need all that shit,anon. It builds up when you add it all up.

>>34401642
Funny. My MOS said 0311, Rifleman. I was assigned to the Infantry. What the fuck is light Infantry?

>>34415293
why not just use a computer

>>34415317
No, there is like 5 times as much stuff as they 'need' there

>>34401642
Its the same thing as a "light machine gun" or lmg. Lmg's are still heavy as hell but compared to the shit hanging out the side of heloes, theyre very light.

>>34415544
What if the computer no work?

>>34415544
This isn't stuff for 1 day of fighting or a short little patrol, they carry so much equipment so they can keep going for several days, dozens of miles without resupply. Btw, this is why poor countries without much equipment for their soldiers end up with such long lasting wars: they can't go more than a day or two without return to a base, they have no night vision, etc. They could run across a street faster than the western soldier, but they would not have the supplies to hold out over a multi-day siege.

>>34415544
computers can break, get EMP'd, be hacked (if it has a connection to some kind of network), etc

>>34412444

No I'm also confused about how someone like OP can be such an idiot...

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>>34403277

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>>34415544
They aren't for calculating firing data, they're for giving the gunners a fixed aiming point when firing indirectly.

You can use computers to calculate firing data, but they can fail for any number of reasons. Plus they are heavy and require heavy batteries. OP pic is from the 80's so I doubt that was an option then.

>>34401804
>Eurodumbshit education

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>>34406426

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Reminder that in all the wars America has lost, it's been against Light Infantry dominated forces

>>34401830
>When is the last time a light infantry unit
>Network centric combined arms is the name of the game today

I'm curious, when did you think OP's pic was taken?

Even if you didn't pay attention to the aircraft, the boot blousing should have given it away.

>>34416344
That's irregular forces, not light infantry.

>All the wars lost

Ending an occupation because you no longer feel like propping up the government of a third world shithole isn't a lost war.

>>34417217
Failing in your primary objective and abandoning the country is a failure. The point of the insurgency is to get the Emmy to leave by any means necessary, though it tends to be just dragging it out so long the other nations people pussy out and want to leave.

Example is how America tried to stop the spread of Communisim in Virtnam and failed, also how were trying to stop the Taliban in Afghanistan and also failing.

>>34417572
Fuck I'm tired and misspelled those nations but my point still stands.

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>>34417217

>Irregular Forces
>Not Light Infantry

What?

Semantics aside, would it not be better for soldiers operating in difficult terrain like mountains to be more lightly equipped?

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>this thread

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>>34417833
No.
Since light infantry operates in difficult terrain they cannot rely on regular logistical support, which means bringing food, water, ammo, batteries, etc. with them in their packs. In harsh terrain like mountains they have to carry all their cold weather equipment too. Airborne and amphib infantry are the same and fight like light infantry once they are inserted.

>>34401642
Just because your infantry can't carry weight, doesn't mean the rest of us can't.

>>34417217
>irregular forces, not light infantry.

Irregular forces composed of light infantry....exactly.

>>34417184
>I'm curious, when did you think OP's pic was taken?
>Even if you didn't pay attention to the aircraft, the boot blousing should have given it away.

I don't know why you even mentioned that aircraft, it stopped being used by the military decades before this photo was taken.

>>34403413
>>34403439
Nope, mechanized infantry is heavy infantry. Armor is heavy cavalry.

>>34401642
I can carry 50 pounds in my pack all day literally forgetting it's even there. I should think a young military man should have no problem with a little more especially sense most of them choose to carry pussy pads.

>>34407523
>areas vehicles can't reach.
>buildings
>allmywat.jpg

My photonegative sibling from a separate matriarchal figure

You've never witnessed forced entry from a reversing tracked vehicle into a mud mans living room?

>>34407523
>Depends on the unit, but they can carry enough shit to kill tanks and IFV's alike. See: Javelin missile

That's not *for* killing tanks, not at the operational scale. It's for slowing them down enough so that by the time the infantry is dead, real tank killers can arrive (e.g. adjacent friendly armor, or brigade Apache QRF, or letting TOW teams set up an ambush a few terrain features back), instead of the enemy armor blitzing through unchecked.

>actually spend more time training fire and maneuver then they do doing vehicle maintenance.

The cold truth is that a 240 PT score in a humvee will be in better condition on the obj than a 300PT score who rucked there.

>>34401642
>Americans
>ever being light

>>34419450
>I can carry 50 pounds in my pack all day literally forgetting it's even there.

That's because 50 pounds is light.

Bump that up to 80-90 for your ruck, add another 20 for LCE, and 10-28 lbs for a weapon, then get back to us, sunshine.

>>34419544
>That's not *for* killing tanks

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....inhales....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

>>34403277

noice

>>34401642
Americans are heavy so almost anything is light to them.

>>34415051
IR/thermal goggles don't spot through trees
No you can't shoot back.
Do you not understand how insanely hard it is to spot a soldier in a massive forest where the treetops are covering everything?

You have obviously not shot a gun, used thermal goggles or been in service.
I have done all that and I know if they work or not.

>>34403085
>Literally in a light infantry unit and attached to mortar platoon right now
>Just last week went on a ruck carrying 81mm's

>>34418981
>I don't know why you even mentioned that aircraft
Regardless of its use, it still dates the photo to a period that isn't modern "network centric combat" era.

The anon I was replying to clearly thought that the photo was contemporary.

>>34402672
>>34402719
>>34402943
>>34403029
>>34403277
>>34403519
>>34415183
rangers, you stupid fucks

Man this thread was a ride.

>>34401642
>ITT: weaklings

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>>34401642
It's light relative to the fact that they don't have Bradleys or Strykersor any other several ton Can o' Infantry. Almost all infantry eventually dismount and operate effectively the same with the exception that vehicles might provide overwatch. Keyword being "might" as all Infantry aspire to be light infantry, and using those vehicles is gay.

>>34401674
They're attached organically to the unit. Mortarmen are the biggest shams I've ever met, and I am so mad I got passed over at the last minute to be shipped as a C.

>Be me, 11B1O fresh at new unit
>See mortarmen attached to HQ in formation
>They break off to do their own PT at the gym while we freeze our asses off in the snow
>After that, they disappear to do "mortarshit"
>Reappear at 1659 rubbing the sleep from their eyes.

They motivated me to get credentials which would be put me in a position that was too important for duties. I spent my last enlistment as a vehicle commander, armorer, and CBRN guy. The last two at the same time. 11Cs are an inspiration to lazy corporals everywhere.

>>34401711
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>>34401804

Light infantry just means dismounted, shit for brains

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>>34402456

>Didn't understand what "Light Infantry" meant when he created the thread
>Suddenly an expert on light infantry tactics five minutes after having been told its actual meaning.