/meg/ - Military Enlistment General

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>he didn't join the Marine Corps

lmaoing @ your life

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>*Sighs exaggeratedly for a solid 3 minutes*
>*Sucks teeth for 4 hours straight*
>Sir, I don't feel comfortably doing this job anymore
>*Leaves shift early
>*Her NCOs do fuck all in response

How do you respond? Use your leadership skills, /k/. How do you deal with this scenario? If you are in a separate branch you are not allowed to order air force personnel to do pushups in response, you can only order Navy/Army/USMC/Coasties.

>>34400234
Well she's in Sec For so she's pretty much a bonafide security guard. Why not have her pull duty every other day for a week straight?

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>>34400234

>>34400175
>>Should I go Navy Enlisted Nuke???
>No.
Damn. Any other options out there for someone with a degree? Not sure if I want to go to grad school anymore really

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>>34400321

coast guard is better

>water colored cammo stops enemies from seeing you sneek up on them
>orange bump helmets to make swimmers look like buoys
>white boats look like non military yachts -WITH GUNS
>the ability to get paid to pet sea creatures

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>>34400321
Surface Warfare Officer. Get the degree, keep the GPA up, the degree itself barely matters.

Then go Navy Surface Warfare and dominate. This job produced the most US Presidents.

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>>34400321
Get your degree. Be a submarine warfare officer, you'll eventually command the most powerful weapon on the planet (until we get nuclear armed spaceships)

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So here's my predicament, I got no choices but the military but my problem is I've got light self harm scars (pic related) I need a good lie if they ask got em on both arms and right thigh, pretty small and unooticable

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The SAS man asks you "What are your principles?"

How do you respond, /k/?

@15:00
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KY08ZXSO1CI

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>>34400417

nigga shit looks like you got stuck in a thorn bush and couldn't find your way out like a ritard

>>34400338
>>34400360
Do the degrees not matter? Biochem/chem

When MEPS requests records, ie "all [subject here]" how are you to give them to them?
What if you give them just partial records?

what is the canadian army (infantry) actually like? my whole life growing up in canada i've heard our military is a joke and we're just peace keepers but the average canadian is an unironic cuckold and idiot so that can't be true, right?

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>>34400321

become a noaa officer, work with the ayys to spray chem trails all over the world

>>34400460
GPA does

>>34400417
looks like creases to me. Tell them you were a fatbody and lost it all but the cellulite creases remain.

>>34400360
>>34400338
>>34400460
I heard working on submarines is literally hell on earth.

Even fucking astronauts get more oxygen and sunlight.

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>>34400484
>because the average canadian is an unironic cuckold and idiot
fixed it. you're welcome.

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>>34400466

Give them what you have, if you don't know or cannot provide, that's not your job to find out unless they specifically ask you to. If you need any medical or other paperwork, they will ask for it, bring it in a folder and give them what they ask for.

You are responsible for providing anything they ASK for... I don't think you typically need to provide results of your positive herpes test or anything unless the form asks what medical conditions you have in the last 6 months.

>be more specific on what forms plz

>>34400519
If you are the E2 Culinary Specialist or Hull Technician, yeah its hell.

If you are the O-1, your life is slightly less shit. And by slightly, I mean massively less shit. Its shit, but less shit.

>>34400519
>you don't get much sunlight aboard a submarine
gee, you think?

Which branch has the better HUMINT mos: the Marines or Army? Which will give me more time out in the field and good career options for when I get out of the military?

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>>34400533

what about the mk-69 sunlight generators?

>>34400527
A few old /fit/ training injuries, generally minor and fully recovered from.
Does it have to be in a sealed folder or what? I opened everything to examine already.
What if it references something I forgot to mention on intake?
DESU there is stuff I don't wanna reveal and I shoulda left the prescreen 100% blank, but I was very tired the day I did it , and recruiter didn't think to send me home with papers to think it over.

>>34400547
if you're getting the sunlight generated in your sub, you're doing it wrong.

>>34400544

both are a good choice, but you need to look at what specific type of operation you want to do (combat focused intel or other type of intel)

>>34400531
not him, but nupoc is my backup in case i don't get selected for aviator

>>34400556
I was leaning more towards combat focused intel

>>34400547
>what about the mk-69 sunlight generators?
Video is you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wU6xRCWjZ0

>>34400576

Probably marines, unless you go Intel for SOCOM


>>34400553

were you told not to open it?

what kinda shit we talkin bout here? excessive gay seks?

The people references are so they can verify who you are, they might go ask them or they might not. You may need to provide more info IF THEY ASK.

Did you tell them you injected a marajuanas?

>>34400576
You won't really get that with intel, you gotta go into some sort of SOF field.There's no way to get to do cool shit like that without busting your ass to get there.

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Which branch has the best uniforms in your opinion?

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>>34400610

https://www.cia.gov/careers/opportunities/clandestine

CIA has a great program if you have a degree

>>34400522
>>because the average canadian is an unironic cuckold and idiot
you literally didn't change anything that i wrote

>>34400522

all the canadian SOF i've met seemed like breddi gud doods. The infantry guys seamed like most other nations infantry guys

>>34400650
>CIA has a great program if you have a degree with a 4.0 GPA from a highly esteemed university and multiple high level internships/study abroad experiences
FTFY
Programs like that are extremely competitive, and like I said, there's no way to get to do cool shit like that without busting your ass to get there.

>>34400650
>potato and watermelon destroyed by hand grenade.jpg

>>34400417
Cover it with a tattoo?

>>34400686

just get a degree in some obscure language with high strategic value

https://www.cia.gov/careers/student-opportunities/ncs-intern.html

another option would be going into PSYOPS with the army then going to the CIA

https://www.goarmy.com/careers-and-jobs/browse-career-and-job-categories/intelligence-and-combat-support/psychological-operations-specialist.html

>>34400601
tl;dr cliffnotes
1. I had IT-Band syndrome, common training injury long ago. Those notes appear to reference a knee injury from a year before that I fully recovered from but forgot on prescreen etc.

2. Forgot I was flatfooted and had recently seen a podiatrist. Drew suspicion after my physical mobility testing was weird due to flat feet. I had some records on my toe hurting for a year~ or so which I concluded was due to poor shoe fitting, and verified this with a podiatrist. Flew out of my mind then.

3. I was a retard and placed something about family counseling for my brother's alcoholism 10 years ago on prescreen. (Like I said, I was tired as shit and not thinking clear at all.) Family verified shortly after that never actually happened. MEPS wants to see those records, which don't exist. (Though I do have some not-so-great looking counseling after reviewing my actual records. I simply used it for like 4-5 years on and off as a means to blow off steam 'cause it was free, and dude tagged Depression and Adjustment Disorder in there, I was 100% unaware he was even capable of listing a diagnosis let alone doing so without telling me.

>>34400610
What's the pipeline like for something like SOT-A and how do I become a part of that?

>>34400527
>>34400757
I don't recall them specifically requesting sealed forms.

I wish I had a shitload of caffeine and paid attention when my recruiter said like 4 times "they don't know what you don't tell them" and "don't think too hard".
Dude shoulda slapped me to wake me the fuck up, I got like 3 hours of sleep.

I know the Navy is switching to nwu type 3s, has anyone worn these? Are they more comfortable than than blueberries?

>>34400757

>1 common training injury long ago

if it was outside of a certain period prior to enlistment you are fine

>2 Forgot I was flatfooted and had recently seen a podiatrist

how recently, this isnt a career ender, but you might need to explain, if you tried to hide it that might be a problem but overall if you can explain that was forgotten, you should be okay, if they try to say its too bad, go back to podiatrist and get letter saying "anon is fine to go to military"

>3 I was a retard and placed something about family counseling for my brother's alcoholism

also not a career ender, if it gets brought up again, it might be a hassle, since they will ask you about it and MIGHT try to find a reason to not let you join, just go get a psych eval with a letter that says "anon is fine to join military" you could even go back to the same doctor if needed and have him write a letter saying "anon was sent here, but he was fine or is fine now"

also what branch?

>>34400838

Yes. the buttons suck (weird positioning) but no ironing required, overall an upgrade to blueberries... the hats are also shit

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>>34400824

he has a point, remember it form now on, if you give them too much to work with they might start drawing conclusions that are not there.

worst case scenario get a note that says something along the lines of

>To whom it may concern,

>little child anon was sent to me from 31feb1888 to 02mar2121 in order to assess his reaction to his families alcoholism. Based on my assessment at the time, he seamed to handle it well, and did not have any observable adverse or lasting effects. I feel that he is enthusiastic in his goal to join the us space marines and fully [mentally/physically] capable of military service

>signed dr. wantsyermoney

ONLY DO THIS IF THEY ASK YOU TOO OR NEED YOU TOO, DON'T VOLUNTEER ANY INFORMATION UNLESS ASKED, IF IT'S IN THE RECORD THEN YOU SAID IT AND THEY CAN READ IT THERE

>>34400858
Branch, dead set on US Marine Corps Reserve, Military Police. MP Doesn't accept people with a history of psyche/mood/brain problems is my issue. I need Reserves to stay with and take care of my disabled family members.

Also, some 12 years ago I fuckin' had a pediatrician diagnose me as depressed and gave me a trial bottle of Welbutrin which as records said, I wasn't terribly compliant with, and my mom was against pills as well. (I never told them I had been actually been abused and that caused my sadboi times, was too embarrassed as a kid.) Later I spent around a year and a half in a sort of program for kids/young adults that had either brain problems or bad backgrounds and wanted to learn how to socialize better, which in the notes looks so-so, however it fucking listed "Oppositional Defiant Disorder" in it, which is next to the other psyche diagnoses as a probably waiverable DQ. I was never told I was tagged as ODD, and it doesn't fit me much looking back except that I never told people I just wasn't respecting my parents much for the same reasons nobody else respected them. Ironically because I respected their privacy.


I'm old by enlistment standards so I am racing against the clock and really trying to avoid getting the psyche stuff brought up as only something like 2 jobs in the reserve unit are not MP.

The recent counselor stuff is a woman who got a lot of same ol' same ol' from me, as I'd come in when I had no real issues even. Second one was a man who was former USAF Officer, so I figured he should have known not to tag me with diagnoses. It was all listed as "phase of life problems" in the notes, girl issues, family getting bad times etc that I didn't feel comfortable talking to most friends about, thus the counselor.

MEPS/recruiter does not know about this stuff. However 99% of my records are at the same medical facility.

Pt.2 right after this.

>>34401105
When asked about the family counselor stuff at MEPS I spilled spaghetti hard because I honestly had ZERO actual memory of it happening and just thought my bro was in counseling at the time. It looked fishy when I remembered crystal clear other stuff.
Same Native American guy as the past few threads.

>>34401133

phase of life problems seems like it might not be a big deal, but it depends on the context of it. Did you have any "symptoms" later in life?

and did those "symptoms" cause any life issues?

What was the extent of the diagnosis (did it go anywhere?)

have you been to MEPS yet for medical processing?

same medical facility how?

did you give meps/recruiter the psych eval?

>>34400417
Sucks that you helped layout cattle wire that one summer at that one deceased relatives or friend of parents farm.

>>34401133

http://www.jag.navy.mil/documents/NJS/Quickman.pdf

http://www.med.navy.mil/sites/nhrota/Staff/Documents/Disqualifying%20Conditions.pdf

https://navytribe.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/cnrcinst_1130-8_vol_iv-1.pdf

if you are worried about it, I could not find the navy medical manual but there are some things to look at.

I would just not say anything and if they ask tell them you were told to go as a child but don't know why (you already said you didn't know to begin with) You can have another doctor do a psych eval worst case scenario

As long as the paperwork says it was related to your situation, and not you are broken then you will be fine as i understand it.

>>34401229
Answering in order.

Phase of life problems are written on the recent adult years counseling. Phase of life problems are not written on the childhood stuff, maybe they thought I had chemical depression which would have made sense a little since I didn't talk about abuse.

I did act pretty depressed as a teen, because I had many years of feeling lost with no motivation, no 'goal' in life as a very goal oriented person. I later found my goal to be entering the Marine Corps, so I earned my GED+College credits to enlist and later found MP doesn't accept past brain problems, oops.
The ODD isn't actually characteristic of me as I have always been pretty damn respectful and subservient to most people in higher authority.
The Adjustment Disorder was tagged when I talked about girl problems IIRC, she had her meds changed and her mental issues went nuts on me and others.

The extent of the diagnosis for adult stuff from the counseling was well, literally just talk and give me advice as that was what I was there for, like suggest I meditate, or point out a more positive way of looking at my situations. I last saw him over a year ago, and that time I was feeling sad because two of my brothers openly admitted to me they were feeling suicidal and I was about to enter college for my enlistment credits. Lots of pressure. He said in notes "I fear he is becoming depressed", but it was clear it was pretty strong external factors since it's my love of family and addiction to self-improvement.

I am Native American and thus my healthcare is free at certain facilities, I basically get it all at the same place since I was a baby. I suspect MEPS is aware most people who use that place would be easy-ish to pull full records of as there is no motivation to even get health insurance as a Native usually. It holds physical records for some 50 years. Another reason I wish I said NO to literally everything.

I have my records from the psyche as a kid, but only showed my family.

>>34400531
considering there's no HT's on a submarine.

fuck off. you don't know shit.

>>34400611
ugh those dress whites are all sorts of wrong.

>>34401448
My mother confirmed that the event didn't actually happen, but that my brother 100% did use an alcohol treatment center that should have his records if not destroyed. She knows my situation and got mad as fuck at me for respecting federal law in any way, lol. She suggested getting records from the center my brother was at, which should show, if not destroyed that I wasn't present or something.
Though on the prescreen I listed it as my medical center, so IDK if that will be bad, as it places suspicion there I suppose.

As for the psyche stuff as a kiddo, I honestly didn't know it was a psyche, I didn't put much thought into it and just went along with it all as I found it sort of fun. Had no clue I had any kind of diagnosis for anything until recently.

Also forgot to say, yes, I have gone to MEPS for both ASVAB and physical eval. I passed physicals aside from the counseling spaghetti requesting records. After viewing my records, it was then I found I had the psyche diagnoses in my past.

>>34401607

did they tell you to get a waiver of GTFO?

If not, they might have just said it was being a stupid kid but all good now. You didn't tell them you had your brothers issues did you?

>>34401645
To make clear, they do not know I've ever seen a psyche, and do not know about any counseling I've had besides the stuff I listed about my brother.
They asked if I am, was, or believed I am alcoholic and I am not. At most I drink with close friends to blow off steam here and there, in moderation.

I fear it'd look fishy to reveal all the shit about the other psyche stuff even if over a decade old for the most part, and I 100% know it'd shoot down my chance for an MP slot due to specific MOS restrictions disallowing even waivered minor psyche problems. I could not easily continue taking care of my family and pet if I went active now, so I much prefer reserves.
Speaking of, I've been unemployed a hella long time, and my main thing being that I take care of most the physical labor of the household so my disabled mom doesn't have to. Not officially listed as a caretaker, so I don't know how good or bad that looks to tell others. I feel it comes off as altruistic NEET. I've also been thinking about volunteering at a dog shelter soon, if that means anything.

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>>34401751

Just dont say anything, it seems like they got all the info they want, and from what you say, you were just a kid in a bad situation who took the blame, nothing wrong with that on your part. You should be alright anon

What do I have to do to get assigned to the USS Constitution?

So I got a call from a an investigator who is going to be giving me an interview. I asked my recruiter about it and he says its normal since he found me a job, but it requires security clearance.

What sort of questions should I be prepared for? Just general "Where have you lived, where did you go to school, ever committed a felony, etc" that sort of stuff? They already know I was arrested for a misdemeanor non violent, non drug related crime (basically trespassing) so I'm not too worried. Just want to get an idea of what I'm in for.

>>34401878

Special assignment duty

>There is a screening process, IAW MILPERSMAN 1306-920. As part of that screening you will be required to do a telephonic interview with the USS CONSTITUTION CMC. If you are interested in this duty contact your CCC or USS CONSTITUTION detailer.

http://www.public.navy.mil/bupers-npc/enlisted/detailing/shorespecialprograms/Pages/AZConstitutionMEPS.aspx

>>34402434

They could ask you any number of questions, If it was on your SF-86 consider it fair game, even stuff like "were you a l33t h4ck3rman anonomoos on the 4chans"

army intel or cyber security?

>>34402447

Chair Force. I was driving when I took the phone call from my recruiter so I wasn't paying the best attention, but he said it involved working with airplanes, computers and security.

Thanks for the reply. I figured as such anything is fair game.

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>>34402474

if its for TS like some of the EW and crypto/comms systems then it would make sense, they would also probably ask you about any friends you have that were not american. Classmates you talked with, people you hang out with. If you provide them with any information, also expect that those people will get questioned too about your personality and loyalties. Some people I talked to said their family members got asked if they "ever did anything bad" with an intentionally vague question to get them to spill the beans on any possible illegal activity

>>34402533

Well sweet I have only like two friends so I'm good to go there!

>>34402533
>taclane
Pls no

What are the different SOF's in the Army besides the Rangers and Green Berets?

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>>34402555

sometimes that's not a good thing

>list 3 non family people who knew you at the adress

>tfw only 2 non family members know you at that address

>ARE YOU HIDING YOUR PERSONA RELATIONSHIPS FROM US ANON

don't stress this, because they might just be trying to get you to admit to anything you can think of. its their responsibility to interview you and find others to interview, not your responsibility to make friends

just clarify if they ask about it. Its the same for active guys who only hang out with active
"fred knew me at my first unit, I have no idea where fred is now"

>>34402609

So just like at MEPS, don't tell em anything more than they need to know?

>>34402605

delta i guess, the snekies of snekie forces

psyops also works and does classified missions with SF (like using the sweet sound of ACDC to make dictators go away)

intel sometimes deploys with SF

>>34402573

>y tho?

>>34402629

same same boss

remember, stopping "bad guys" makes them look good, even if its note really a bad guy, just an idiot who makes himself look like a pot head hacker because of the group he at one point played D&D with at school

>>34402605

PSYOP, CA, and the 160th SOAR round out the well-known Army SOF community.

There are other small elements out there, but they're generally something you'll move laterally into from another part of the community.

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>>34402653

Right on. Thanks anon. I feel much better.

>>34400445
>>34401272
These are both excellent excuses, anon. Just dont let em catch you drawing first blood with your bayonet when things get tough.

>>34402668
How would one go about getting into the pipeline of these SOF's?

>>34402637
Because they're a pain to manage and rekey, vs using modern technology like an ASA.
I mean, theoretically symmetric encryption is more secure, but the 2048 bit keys that you use in a VPN device might as well be impossible to break.
The entire rest of the world gets by just fine with VPNs, it's just the DoD loves to have things in neat little devices that work with ancient methods of doing things.

So in short words, commercial VPN products provide similar security for much less cost and hassle.

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>>34402674

also don't mention your large collection of anime waifu pillows, they might think you are an evil jap infiltrator

>>34400417

I doubt they would even notice that. Don't even mention them. If they do ask you got them hiking through the trees on the way to your fishing spot.

>>34400441
"G'DAY MATE! G'DAY MATE! G'DAY MATE!"

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>>34402714
If I begin reciting the Airman's Creed backwards while standing on my hands does that work towards my benefit?

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>>34402688
either really stand out in training, or go for obscure low demand jobs like special medical training, and get other qualifiers and language proficiency like persian/korean/chinese/arabic/russian

Flight medic is a good way to get in on all kinds of missions, even pre-special forces (they will take you because you have a skill they need)


https://goarmysof.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/160th_Enlisted-Application.pdf

>>34402746
Reciting the Airman's Creed never works to your benefit.

>>34402746

only with exposed genital area covered in nutella

>>34402780
sick i love nutella

>>34400417
Do you shave yourself or something m

>>34402771
Thanks

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>>34402788

one of the cooks at my unit for some reason threw a rage fit every time we suggested he get nutella for the crew.

23 isn't too old to chase the great operator dream, is it?

>>34402846

Ideal age, most specops dont want anybody less than 21

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>want to drive LAVs or go tracks
>had a traffic accident the first month I started driving
It's never going to happen isn't it?

>>34402908

just take a driving class anon

you never become an expert overnight (except on 4chan, then obviously everybody is an expert)

>>34402941
I took a driving class. I was doing pretty good until I slammed into the back of someone. I don't know if they'll take me now that I have a record though.

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>>34401842
Any idea what exactly this statement of having no documents for the counseling should read like? I'm not medically educated on a level beyond woodsman level stuff.
I feel that is the most critical part of all this. I think I have someone who is willing to authorize such a paper for me, though. I just do not want MEPS to hold me up any longer.

I just wanna pass boot camp, for Anastasia.

Should I stop taking creatine and fat pills before meps? Will it fuck up my blood work?

>>34403664
No it won't fuck up your blood work, though why are you considering it?

>>34400234
>cuff her
>charge her with Article 113 violation
>release her to first sergeant
>write patrolman's statement along with anyone else who heard and the armorer who let her turn in for whatever reason
>find out the next day the whole thing has been swept under the rug by leadership and the airman filed an EO complaint against you.

This is what would actually happen. Something similar actually did happen to me.

>>34403664
>creatine

If they blood test you then you will be immediately arrested for illegal steroid usage

>>34400175
that picture is fucking cancer god damn grandpa

can i poo whenever i need to poo in bootcamp

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If I want to become an NCO quickly should I just do Security Forces?
You're onnabase for a year then you transition into a regular infantry MOS, right?
I know the thing about getting less respect for being Security Forces when you rotate into your regular job, but I don't really give a shit because I'm pretty anti-social anyways.

>>34403658

if there are no documents that exist, then that statement should be made

"anon was not assessed, [and/or] there are no documents to support any diagnosis"

should clear up any issues, it might also throw up red flags for insurance fraud

any medical diagnosis is not valid unless an appropriate battery was performed (this is a lengthy analysis) bringing this to light can cause doctors to loose licenses for trying to fuck people over. also people try to get people diagnosed to get insurance money to pay for prescriptions they dotnt need, and care that they want (and should pay for themselves)

If no records can be found, then there is no record of a valid diagnosis if that is what you want to know.

Can someone summarize each Branch's boot camp/basic?

>>34406064

sorta, it depends on what you are doing, sometimes they only let you poo on poo breaks, i just waited till everybody was asleep to poo (not so high risk of people yelling to do pushups, nowhere to be in the next 3 minutes etc.)

>>34400175
Took the asvab yesterday and did fairly well, 87 afqt , 120+ line scores

If you dont have much time to study definitely bone up in math and vocabulary.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0brxMViHuk&t=2s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLHEJWe_0kI&t=14643s

these are pretty good, the majority is not on the test but its good to get used to the subject matter (formulas, Orders of operations, variables, fractions etc. )

some anon posted a thread ( Thanks man ) with this practice website that had me learn a few new problems that were on the test to my relief.

http://asvabpracticetestonline.com/

If you have more time to prepare , delve into the other subjects more deeply. In my opinion the ASVAB for dummies book ( though I didnt use that book specifically ) is worth the money seeing as it will aid a score that will determine what you are going to do for the next 4+ years of your life.

goodluck fellas

>>34408087
Its boot camp/basic. Who cares?

>>34403664

post height/ weight

are you trying to get the gains? or just trying to not be a skely when you go to boot camp?

>>34403664

DOD guidelines are the same as pro sports, creeyuhteen is OK, but what kind of fat pills ?

>>34400175
Anyone have any input on the Army's 35 series?

Thanks ahead of time.

>>34400611

Marines clearly, not even a contest.
Second place, I actually like the Air Force ABUs, though OCPs are probably more comfortable.

>>34408087

all: learn marching 'n shit

army

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-6nmfcu8vs

follow the links to next vieos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8MHAQRvEXs

navy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCak24Sw-68

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQXXnMpJ6Ws

marines
> san diego https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Na0FlyU3Pis

>paris island https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOjQge03CwI

coast guard

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V818YsOEwrs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJLXqUZkpeY

air force

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjLP9R5ncek

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5opTgbHpGM

>>34408103
Thanks, this will be useful. My recruiter said I'd score 60-70 on the asvab based off of the pre-asvab and I want to score higher before I go to meps next week.

>>34408117
5'9" 170 lbs

Both honestly but I have a bit more fat than what I want

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00LV3LE3C/ref=mp_s_a_1_7_a_it?ie=UTF8&qid=1498858095&sr=8-7&keywords=legion+pulse

>>34408495

Just run some more, its hard to be fat when you run alot, and you need to have good cardio for boot camp anyway (dont lift so much) also createine just causes you too retain water and gain weight.

https://phc.amedd.army.mil/topics/healthyliving/n/Pages/DietarySupplements.aspx

http://hprc-online.org/dietary-supplements/opss/operation-supplement-safety-OPSS/opss-frequently-asked-questions-faqs-1/banned-list

if you happen to have any of these in your system, kiss your job bye bye. Getting in a habit of dieting with supplements is bad before boot camp, because your body will build a reliance on it, and wont get it for several months cold turkey

>>34408495
>Both honestly but I have a bit more fat than what I want
bro, i'm about to go out for a run. only one mile today, but i'm going 2 miles tomorrow. join me right now, you fuck.

>>34408495
How have those worked for you? I haven't really seen any results with what I'm using.

>>34408175
Marines dress blues are ruined by the gay looking pants

If the Army gets the pink and greens back, that's #1

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>its an enlistedfag/former enlistedfag lives like a fucking animal, with his wife and child that he shouldn't have had episode

What the fuck is wrong with you clowns? Every time I go to an enlisted's house its a dump that should be on an episode of Cops or Hoarders.

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>>34408898

>What the fuck is wrong with you clowns? Every time I go to an enlisted's house its a dump that should be on an episode of Cops or Hoarders.

there might be a reason for that anon

>>34408898
Because a lot of enlisted came from a low class upbringing, where their parents lived in much the same way. Also a lot of them are not incredibly smart.
Also, the military rewards getting married, so they often marry the first girl that shows them attention and then eventually have kids.

I work in a very technical environment, often isolated from the rest of the enlisted force, so when I interact with the other squadrons on base, it shakes my perspective.
I hate to sound arrogant, but go spend a day with Security Forces or the maintainers. Obviously there are some smart, well spoken people, but the majority of them are very working class in manner and mentality.

I'd love to commission, but I'd no longer be doing technical work. All O's seem to do is management.

>Because a lot of enlisted came from a low class upbringing, where their parents lived in much the same way.

possible, but there are plenty enlisted from middle and upper class who live much the same way

>Also a lot of them are not incredibly smart.

Intelligence does not have a significant effect on organizational skills (look at einstein)

>Also, the military rewards getting married, so they often marry the first girl that shows them attention and then eventually have kids.

also true, but you dont exaclty have a normal life style when you miss hallf of your childs childhood because of deployments. That also causes relationship problems with spouses

Many of these stressors make living like a normal human being hard, its also the reason every page on a DOD site has a "click here if you want to an hero, plz dont do it" button

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>>34409208
>(look at einstein)

A PSA for anyone comparing themselves and their fucked lifestyles to Einstein.

You are not Einstein. I'm sure your mother tells you how smart you are. Einstein was already publishing papers, Einstein proposed the existence of the photon, at age 24.

You are not Einstein.
You will never be Einstein
Stop using Einstein as an example because you and your retarded friends that post "I fucking love science" on your faggotbook page barely made it through community college with a humanities degree.

You and your social circle aren't on par with him and you aren't on par with the no name undergrads pursuing physics either. Never forget this.

This was a PSA for anyone comparing themselves and their fucked lifestyles to Einstein.

>>34408980
CLEAN YOUR ROOM

>>34409208
The big problem is getting married to sluts, and getting married before ensuring you can be there for your kids. I wouldn't schedule a wedding ceremony a single day before I was either assigned to a CONUS base working 9-5, 5 days a week with a POG assignment, or out of the military entirely.

>>34409255
Thanks doc.

>>34409208
I'm not talking about intelligence being equivalent to how clean your house is, but the overall how well put together your whole life is.
Einstein was 100% absolutely abnormal, and you can't use him as any sort of comparison on the whole.

>>34409292
Even then, you can be slapped with orders to deploy (then you deal with jody), or an unaccompanied overseas assignment (think turkey).
If I ever do marry while I'm in, it will have to be on the later half of my time in, so it will be just counting down a few years of suck for the big retirement.

The problem is that you are forced to live in (comparatively) shitty dorms/barracks, unless you're married, then you basically get a 40% pay raise and the option to live wherever you want. With that in mind, it's easy to see why a junior soldier/marine/airman/sailor would hitch up with Kandi from the strip club. He'll be relaxing in his spacious off base apartment while all the single dudes will be getting harassed at all hours in the barracks, getting pulled for stupid shit like policing trash.

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Which military job yields the most unwarranted sense of self-importance?

I can understand pilots being cocky.
I can understand SOF and combat arms being cocky.
I can understand commanders being cocky.

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>>34409286
PUT YOUR LIFE IN ORDER. AND START WITH YOUR ROOM.

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>>34409255

>you and your retarded friends that post "I fucking love science" on your faggotbook page barely made it through community college with a humanities degree.

>tfw going to school for a STEM degree while being enlisted cus free school money
>tfw my IQ is increadibly above average
>tfw i dont use faggotbook and would not post stupid shit like that anyway.

maybe if enlisted stopped being stigmatized s low income idiots, you could see that life isn't actually that easy for many of them. One of the biggest problems facing society is the disconnect between military and civilians, that fact alone makes it difficult to normalize life experiences. look at suicide rates among military members. Most of these happen because they cant comprehend society and it does not understand them.

it must be nice living in you AC barracks room with free netflix and wifi. not all branches get the nice treatment the airforce does

>>34409286

I did :)

>>34409292

But most people just feel lonely, and dependas will give you enough attention to marry them, then they will divorce you for 50% of your shit while bang other dudes behind your back

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>>34409447
>look at suicide rates among military members
Fun fact: Suicide rates are higher among pogs than combat arms. What did they mean by this?

Is this accurate?
https://www.reddit.com/r/newtothenavy/comments/6kiizb/has_anyone_actually_heard_of_someone_getting

>>34409644

combat arms are closer knit social, the pogs have the semi shit military lifestyle, but no social group to bond with, at least the combat arms guys hang out outside work and keep in touch after they get out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGZMSmcuiXM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9DNWK6WfQw

>>34409691

it depends on how bad your condition is, did you lie on an official form anon?

>>34409870
I went to a chiropractor and saw a therapist when I was 13

>>34409917

Was the chiropractor for scoliosis?

>>34409934
No, for migraines, but I haven't been back for a year and I haven't had a migraine in forever

>>34410007

Chronic migraines can be an instant fail depending on the circumstances, if you have them in the military and it is determined to be pre-existing, you can get out processed

Will going infantry be a surefire way to get your knees and back permanently fucked up?

>>34410076
Dunno, how fat are you? This is a serous question.

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JOBS MOST PRONE TO SUICIDE ARE:

According to the data, the most suicide-prone jobs among the 200 studied in the U.S. Army (from the 10th highest rate to the highest rate) are:

10. Air traffic control equipment repairer

9. U.S. Military Academy professor

8. Crane operator

7. Trainee

6. Patriot missile repairer

5. Signal intelligence senior sergeant

4. Laundry and shower specialist

3. Information services chief

2. Interior electrician

1. French horn player

http://nation.time.com/2010/10/05/which-military-jobs-are-most-prone-to-suicide/

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Currently an e4 11b in 2/75 wanting to make the switch to 89d. Any current or former EOD dudes in here?

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>>34410112
>1. French horn player

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEJ_a92UmsQ

>>34410088
I'm at 21% body fat. I'll lose less when at I'm boot

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>Trump pressuring N. Korea
>But wants to re-negotiate Military presence in S. Korea & Japan

Does this mean more troops in the region or less?

I'll take a Cold War with NK if it means getting stationed in Japan.

>>34410187
It means we squeeze more yens and wons out of them in return for keeping the troops there. Their politicians (wisely) do not trust the American politicians to follow through on the defense pact, so they figure if they can say to us "Hey, 30k of your troops are going to die here if you don't help us win this war" the US politicians will have their hands tied and send support. 30k troops may have some impact on the fighting capabilities, but their true purpose is political hostages to force the US to intervene instead of abandoning them like South Vietnam. It's a solid defense strategy, and they would likely accept (albeit begrudgingly) a higher price tag for the troops.

>>34410187
Shut up, weeb

I want to get stationed in Germany, is it possible to request to get stationed? What are some prerequisites?

>>34409447
>maybe if enlisted stopped being stigmatized as low income idiots

Here's the thing, and I say this as an enlisted man: Many of them act as such.
I'm in a squadron of exceptionally talented and smart people, yet even a few slip through the cracks to us.

Amn A:
>Enlisted into a cyber career field, "hates computers"
>Married HS sweetheart
>Has a kid, wants another
>Lives on base, forfeiting all his BAH for a house that would rent for 2/3 BAH
>Complains about how he's broke and has to sell plasma to make ends meet
>Buys a monster and hot dog at the gas station every day

Amn B:
>Skates any sort of work as hard as possible
>Browses shoes on the computer all day
>Is unable to perform basic tasks when asked of him
>Disrespectful, unable to speak in proper non-ebonic english

We've got one guy in another shop who won't shut up about how bootcamp is "so easy these days", yet he's failed 6 fucking PT tests.
Yeah buddy, it's totally boot camp that gives the AF it's image...

When I was in the dorms:
>a bunch of Amn moved in around me
>they worked at the moving goods office (aka sat at a desk and filed moving forms)
>bump music until 11pm
>wake up at 6AM (I worked a different schedule) to fucking drake at full volume outside my window
>always hooting and yelling, fighting each other in the parking lot at all hours
Moved off base pretty soon after they moved in, thank god.

My F-18 MX buddy in the Navy:
>idiots sleeping in the intakes
>idiots leaving a fucking wrench in the cockpit and sending the plane off
>guys coming in still drunk on weekdays
>retards cutting across runways without clearance
>guys kicking holes in barracks walls
>underage DUI on base

Point is, the reason that enlisted have the stigma we do is because fuckups like this are rampant, and it's difficult to get rid of them.
So yeah, I'd say there's a good chunk of enlisted that are motivated and smart, but there's no easy process to tell the two apart, so everyone assumes the worst.

I'm interested in joining the military so I've been reading this thread and I can only make sense of about 10% of these terms and abbreviations, I feel like a damn idiot
Is this stuff we learn in boot camp?

>>34410864
no
you learn them by other people using them throughout your career

>>34409387
looking forward to joining the Navy but one of the minor issues I have with going to the military is my hair
I hate to sound like a primadonna but I have a huge head and my head looks pretty weird when I'm shaven
>>34409387
How far into the military do I have to be to have my hair as short as these guys? I always thought you had to be shaven and nothing else.

How many miles should I be jogging a day? How many should I be running a day? Ive got two months to prepare for boot camp but I dont know what the fuck to do.

Can I join the marines if I have mild autism? I know the marines get fun of for being stupid but I have a degree and I've been wanting to do tihs

>>34410955
>airforce
gee i wonder

>>34410958
how well do you run already? you shouldn't be running every day
boot camp doesn't take shit to prepare for, unless you're a sack of shit

>>34410994
I can jog two miles in 15 minutes and 34 seconds going at a medium pace. I run every other day but im just doing it for the conditioning ive never timed myself.

>>34411051
that's legit better than 80% of the people you'll go to bct with
don't get worse tho
i assume you're 18-21? if you're 22+ you're golden

>>34411087
Just turned 18 a couple weeks ago and looking to enlist as soon as possible. Ive lost over 75 pounds but I just need 15 more and Ill meet the weight requirement.

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Just let me enlist already god dammit

>>34411122
Damn m8, that's pretty good
I'd keep working on your run like 2-3 times a week. I don't know wher eyou're going to bct at but for me we ran like less than 8 times the entire cycle

>>34409387

>I can understand commanders being cocky.

Can you? Statistically most commanders are garbage that will be forced out before retirement. The bar for being a CO is *very* low.

Sounds like you're a neverserved.

>>34410112

Most likely because there's <50 french horn players in the entire Army, so if only 2 of them go and off themselves it's an insanely high 4 % suicide rate.

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>>34408084
The facility has other psyche related documents that do not look so good. Would this specifically worded letter dissuade MEPS from peering further in that direction? I'm very concerned with this.

It would probably look bad if they saw the other records I know are connected to the same place, even if all are at least 9 years old, it may cause a stir, or delay me beyond the age limit waiting on a waiver. (Teenage depression w trial welbutrin/ODD/social awkwardness were the big things that I believe were diagnosed by a MD psychiatrist or whatever?)

I did speak with a guy with a Master's degree working in the same facility's behavioral health area, and he said counselor's can place a diagnosis on someone, but mainly it is for billing/finance reasons or it would be seen as a merely social meeting. Although he said basically what you have said. Will the military interpret those depression/anxiety/phase of life diagnoses as the same as a proper battery or something? I personally viewed it as just something to keep me from actually falling off the emotional deep end and venting my feelings while working toward's my goals.

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Question for any marines (or anyone else): I'm currently a poolee and my recruiter is telling me that I can't sign for infantry unless I can pass more rigorous standards than normal (so I have to do more than simply pass the IST).

Is he bullshitting me to try to get me to sign for a different job? I did really well on the ASVAB and I don't know if they'd try some shit like that.

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>>34410126
This is awfully catchy.

>>34411720
WHAT ARE YOUR STATS SHITSTACK?

>>34411755

On the ASVAB or the IST?

>>34411804
IST.

>>34411813

Not good. I can pass it, but only barely.

13:21 run

5 pullups

52 crunches

106 ammo can lifts

I still have 2 months before I ship out though

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>>34411859
Well shit, you're doing better than me in a couple.

3 Pull Ups
12:40 is my best run time
91 crunches
70 ammo can lifts

I've gone up from 0 pull ups at the beginning of the month to 3, so at this rate I'll have a good 15 pull ups for boot camp. My lifts have gone down because my shoulders are tired as fuck from push ups and pull ups everyday though. When do you ship?

>>34411895

Yeah, i've got good upper body strength but i'm a big fat fuck. I had to drop 40 pounds prior to even going to MEPS.

I ship September 5th.

>>34411932
I'm in the same boat as you man. I went from 240 to 180 since last October. Keep up the good work.

>>34410118
how do you like the Regiment?

>>34411162
Huh my cousin said it was hell, then again hes in the marines.

Any Air Force people here? I read they want to create a Space Corps under the Air Force and that makes me want to join the Air Force
the issue is I'm applying to medical school now and I'm 25 years old
1. am i too old to join?
2. is there a way to combine medical school and the air force?

>>34412629
>25
Ain't to old senpai
>Med School
pretty sure USAF has Med School scolarships

>>34412674
>pretty sure USAF has Med School scolarships
i didn't see anything for USAF, but found a lot for Army and Navy, i'll try searching again
would it be a good idea to talk to a recruiter about this? i read on a forum last night that you shouldn't talk to a recruiter unless you already know you want to enlist

>>34412629

bruh 25 is early for someone going for an officer position who wasn't dead set on joining the military from an early age

>>34412700
My brother was talking about some USAF program that lets you go to med school on their dime with a service requirement after. I never had any interest in medical or being an officer so this is all 2nd hand info. As for talking to the recruiter, I don't see the harm as long as you don't let yourself get pressured into some shit you don't want. You'd need an officer recruiter though.

>>34409447
>tfw my IQ is increadibly above average

Yeah ok buddy.

>>34412808
>>34412823
just submitted my application for more information online, this makes me feel a lot better, i really hope i can join the space corps

>>34412907
Is the space corps even a real thing?

>>34412994
not yet, but it's proposed in FY18 budget
even if it doesn't happen this year, it'll happen within 8 years, especially with this major space push the Trump admin is doing

>>34402696
It's not so bad we can remote manage and re key the bastards the software is just garbage government software

>>34413012
Hopefully it happens sooner rather than later, the thoughts of advancing our foot hold into the future is tantalizing.

How to not get stuck blue side if one joins as a Corpsman.

How far will an associates degree get you in the Navy, as far as immediate advance in rank goes?

>>34413085
24 credits for E-2
48 credits for E-3

>>34413112
I'm afraid I don't know the difference in credits, just that I'll have my degree in another year.

>>34413117
Your average single semester class is 3 credit hours. My bachelors took 130 credit hours.

>>34400197
You mean navy?

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>recruiter calls and says the waiver was denied and my enlistment process is terminated
fuck this gay shit what the fuck was I thinking

>>34400488
Noaa is garbage and the pay is shit

>>34413139
all I know is I have another year and semester to go. I don't mean to sound uneducated on the subject I just never dick with school stuff unless completely mandatory. I do get 13 hours a semester though so I'm a bit over full time.

>>34409006
>Also, the military rewards getting married
How so?

>>34413161
What happened Anon?

wonder how bad of an idea it'd be to plug in to my work's internet system. got cq tomorrow and want to video game

>>34413161
>bahahahaha
Faggot

>>34413174
circa 2013 I was a huge faggot and tried to off myself via pain killer overdose. been working shit jobs since then and finally decide I wanna do something with my life and join the Coast Guard, but they don't like history of suicide attempts 4 years ago,even if you get professionally examined a month ago and the therapist says you're in a healthy state of mind. I went through all this bullshit of going to a therapist to get him to write a fuckhuge letter explaining what happened and his professional outlook, and recommending me for military service tl;dr he's not gonna kill himself. You know how much therapy costs? not fucking cheap. and it's all wasted. fuck.

>>34412629
Look into health services scholarship. Basically it involves the air force paying for med school and even residency/fellowship in exchange for service as a military doctor

>>34413195
Guess you better try harder net time huh

>>34413195
I'm sorry to hear that anon

>>34413195
that sucks
what about other branches?

Anyone here have any experience with the navy SARC pipeline and how to get started? Also looking for any advice for improving 5k time

>>34413207
>white knighting intensifies

>>34413217
I did my 5k in around 19 min and I'm lazy. It's not hard.

>>34413202
Guess so.
>>34413210
No idea. I went to the Navy office and they said they can send a waiver since the MEPS physical I got with the coat guard is still good, but the chances are slim.

>>34413195
Sorry Anon, how did they find out about the attempts in the first place?

>>34413230
wishing you luck dude

>>34413225
Did you just practice running 5ks several times a week or did you do drills to improve your time?

Should I drop out of college and enlist in hopes of fighting in syria some time in the next 4 years?

>>34413244
Squats for strong ol legs, sprints uphill n such, running backwards helps a lot, and usually running 5-7 miles every morning 3-5 days a week

And lots of pizza

>>34413167
Your credits will be listed on your transcript which your recruiter will need to see, so go ahead and order one from your school.

>>34413275
Still have a year to go, but thanks for the bit of advice

>>34413195
That breaks my heart to hear, man.
Other branches may waiver you though, USCG barely gives the most mild of waivers.

>>34400441
To take i fugees no matter the cost.

I know everyone says recruiters are scum/will fuck your girlfriend/go out of their way to give you a shit job/etc, but what's the general consensus on OSO's? I'll be transferring from a CCC to one of the UC's next year, and I was wondering if I should go for a college option nrotc contract, or just OCS. And a longshot, but does anyone know how much harder NSW selection is out of OCS compared to NROTC?

>>34400234
Airmen are such garbage. In my encounters with the branches of the military it's the navy and marines who bitch the least.

>>34413230
Black humors a sign of healing. Try the navy.

>>34413012

>Within 8 years

That's extremely ambitious.

Truth is the space corps already exists and has for a long time. It's just a bunch of subordinate elements within the current military branches. All branches have some space-related jobs. They already talked about splitting it off into its own branch in the 90s and it was ultimately shot down.

Creating a uniformed branch of service takes a LOT of political capital. All the reasons it got shot down in the 90s still exist, mostly that the services want to retain control of the assets they currently control and there's not enough demand for a separate space entity.

At the rate things are going, a separate uniformed cyber corps will probably happen before space gets its own uniform. Space command and cyber command both exist under STRATCOM right now, but cyber command is about to get promoted to be an equal with STRATCOM and the other major commands. In the short few years cyber has existed, it has already rocketed past space in size and strength.

Does anyone here have hyperhidrosis? How did you hide it during MEPS? I'm thinking of bringing an alcohol swab to use on my hands before they try to get my fingerprints but I don't know if I'll be allowed to bring it with me

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>>34410112
What's so wrong with French Horns?

So I've been considering joining the Canadian Military for some time now, but I'm worried that if they don't need any more people, they'll just deny me, and I have to wait three years before I can reapply. What's the likelihood of me actually being accepted right now?

Sorry if this thread is mainly for talking about American Military things, I'm just curious about my situation.

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Is going Security Forces an alright thing now that we're in peacetime?

The way I see it, it's either paint rocks with the rest of the grunts or get access to lots of training opportunities most of them won't get that early in their careers.

The biggest complaint I see is that the job itself is pretty shit.

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>>34414810
>in peacetime
They barely do anything in war time. If its Air Force, get a commission and shoot for an air platform. Otherwise the job doesn't really matter, use that time to improve your education/resume and move on. The only job you can really brag about in the Air Force is 11FX. The other jobs are more or less the same.

>>34414810
You want to work the gate checking ids for possibly 4 or more years?

>>34414829
>>34414833
It's Marines so I'd be doing it for 2 years then get sent to a regular 03xx job after that.
What I had read was that people would get mad that salty Lances with deployments would get passed up for promotion because SF get 100 points added, but now there isn't really any salt to accrue because everyone's sitting in a base.

>>34414850
I have no idea what it's like being a MP in the Marine Corps but my dad is Air Force and I'm going into the Navy here soon. I can imagine it being a bit more "high speed" with Marines, but Air Force I heard of guys getting stuck doing the gate their whole enlistment. Not how I'd want to spend 4 years but someone has to do it.

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>>34413172
Pay incentives, you can live off base (in most cases), etc, etc.

But no it's not worth marrying the first benefits chaser you see, I personally can live without all that but others can't stand the thought of spending another 3 years sharing space with Jamal or that one guy that reminds you of that kid you hated in High School that always ended up in all your classes.

It's trivial reasons to me, I mean god damn women can easily ruin a man's life. I'd not take the risk even for out of my league pus.

>>34413172
>>34415435

This. The incentives aren't small either. A lot of places you're going to double your take-home pay immediately if you get married. Yeah, you lose out on your "free" housing in the barracks, but the barracks suck anyways and you can go live wherever you want out in town.

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My recruiter told me the only MOSs that they regularly see Option 40 for are 25 and 35 series.

Am I being rused?

>>34400360
>most powerful weapon on the planet
>until we get spaceships

Want to try that one again?

>>34415470

Depending on the timeframe they're talking about, it's possible. What were you trying to get the Option 40 with?

>>34415470
option 40 isn't mos based.It's just something they can trow on as a kicker for idiots who wanna suck ranger dick.

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>>34415491
Spaceships can land, nigger.

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>>34415463
>but the barracks suck anyways
Depends on how you view it, compared to my prior living situations it's like walking on sunshine.

Also if you get divorced, and the law (usually always sides) with her, kiss some of your finances goodbye. The perks aren't worth it to me because you are taking a risk, my father is still getting fucked over by a divorce that happened 23 years ago and I'm fully grown adult now. He doesn't see a good amount Chair Force pay either. Like 2/5ths are taken out, he fell behind on some child support for certain reasons, and I never saw any of the originally money anyway my mother spent it on her ever growing graveyard of shoes.

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>>34415501

Do extra schools and stuff give you a better chance of an interesting post for rear echelon bullshit? I don't have a boner for Ranger tabs, but if it looks good on personnel records and gets interesting opportunities, I'm all for it.

There's no GWOT on right now so intel work seems as important as anything else, but I don't know.

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>>34415463
>>34415435
Fun fact about marriage: All management bodies/recruit orgs promote marriage because single males are more likely to switch careers.

Where as men with wives or children or a house are stuck, likely until the very end of their lives, in a given industry and spot making them less of a risk to a given organization. Single men are dangerous. Single men are harder to control (can't threaten to financially inconvenience a family of that family doesn't exist).

Everyone has figured this out. The question is, are you dumb enough to play along?

>>34415470
Are any of those jobs on the suicide list posted above?

>>34415575
some of those aren't very significant since fucking french horn player isn't exactly common. the sample is too small to be representative of the job.

>>34415555
Quads of truth.

Really though, it is not worth the risk. Having a different gf at every port is refreshing anyways.

>>34415589
Trainee is fairly significant

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>>34415601
>not bringing your waifu with you wherever you go

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>>34415634
I think the only branch that would allow that daki shit is the Air Force.

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>>34415634
Only the Untermensch have a single waifu. Women were built to be in harems, same as waifus.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2015/03/20/the_brutality_of_the_stone_age_only_1_man_had_children_for_every_17_women.html

>>34415660

Bullshit. I know a Marine and several soldiers with waifus.

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>>34415660
a daki will fit in a rack
>>34415671
too many waifus will ruin your laifu

>stick to raita and you'll be alrighta

>>34415673
Oh fucking shit, don't tell me the Marines are also passing out stress cards now and debbie cakes on Sundays as well now.

>>34415555

Tapping out of the system because you're too afraid to exploit it instead of letting it exploit you is the sign of an edgy teen.

Marriage in the military is a no brainier on a financial level, just don't be stupid about it.

>>34415700
>Marriage in the military is a no brainier on a financial level, just don't be stupid about it
>just don't be stupid about it
There's a reason why we recommend servicemen don't get married until they're out or on their way out. Women are exploitative. Accept it.

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>>34415700
>exploit it
Your middling tax cuts from marriage/barely valuable perks from being married enlisted aren't an advantage, you fucking retard. An enlistment is meant to be temporary, throwing yourself into a legal chokehold is an across-the-board net loss.

You made a fucked choice and now you, like every other married enlisted retard, want everyone else to follow your lead. Get out of the way.

>>34415686
>put daki on rack
>turn around for 5 seconds
>someone stole your waifu

I can only imagine what a group of E1-E3s would do if they found a daki on some rack.

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>>34415660

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>>34415739
>not tucking her in
>not putting needles in her when you're away to prevent theft
>not being senior enlisted or officer
etc, etc

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So what's the masturbation situation in the military? Am I limited to quickies or can I take 20 minutes in the shitter to rub a good one out?

>>34415719

Lol why would you marry a girl if you're in it for the money?

Just marry a buddy and get dual BAH, dumbass. You know he's got a job.

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>>34406856
Security Forces isn't in the Army. It's Military Police.
How do you know about the job when you can't even give it the right title for it fuck stick?

>>34415686
You just posted the only good franchise raita ever worked on. Thank God they kept his ass on a very short leash.

>>34415723

>tax cuts

Try an extra $20,000 untaxed income a year. I've got a nice little place almost paid off because I'm not afraid to use the system.

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>>34415470
Don't go into 25 series unless you want to do something network/computer related with your career. You will fucking hate Fort Gordon. You will fucking hate Barton field, you will fucking hate waking up at 440am for PT formation and just stand around till they are ready to step off, and you will hate you're first unit cause you hate your job.

In AIT they also have recuiters to go do airborne and ranger so don't let that stop you from getting the job you want. After a week in AIT ask your platoon sergeant to go talk with the Ranger liaison or AB. Hooah.

>Proof
am a 25 series but love/hate my job

>>34415925

You just described every AIT ever. If anon goes 25-series with an Option 40, his "first unit" will be the 75th unless he fucks it up.

>>34415762
Troy doesn't care, Troy will hump it and use a sharpie to draw a dick on the daki's face.

>>34413183
That's an extremely poor idea.
Best case you won't be able to access the Internet and nothing else happens.

Worst case you get in big fucking trouble for because it's extremely against the regs and a massive security risk.

>>34400417
>Self-harm
What the fuck is wrong with you nigger?

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>>34415723
>>34415894
Let's do a game theory analysis.

For this scenario, we'll take an E-4 who's been in for 8 years with dependants, and take samples in several locations: Ft Bragg, Ft Campbell, Eglin AFB, Norfolk, Pearl Harbor, and San Diego.

You have a 50% chance of getting divorced (since no man ever marries with the intention of getting divorced, your claim of having "choosen wisely" is largely moot).

BAH for each location is:
>Ft Bragg
$ 1179.00
>Ft Campbell
$ 1254.00
>Eglin AFB
$ 1425.00
>Norfolk
$ 1566.00
>Pearl Harbor
$ 2466.00
>San Diego
$ 2409.00

Monthly pay for an E-4 is:
$ 2536.00

Adding this all up, we get:
>Ft Bragg
$ 3715.00
>Ft Campbell
$ 3790.00
>Eglin AFB
$ 3961.00
>Norfolk
$ 4102.00
>Pearl Harbor
$ 5002.00
>San Diego
$ 4945.00

However, in the case of divorce, where she not only takes half your money but also child support:
>Ft Bragg
$ 928.50
>Ft Campbell
$ 947.00
>Eglin AFB
$ 990.50
>Norfolk
$ 1025.00
>Pearl Harbor
$ 1336.00
>San Diego
$ 1025.00

Keep in mind I haven't even covered taxes (exercise for the reader).

So, with the 50% chance of divorce, your average earnings for a married E-4 with dependents is:
>Ft Bragg
$ 2321.75
>Ft Campbell
$ 2368.50
>Eglin AFB
$ 2475.75
>Norfolk
$ 2563.50
>Pearl Harbor
$ 3169.00
>San Diego
$ 2985.00

So, the marriage gamble paid off for the E-4s in Norfolk, Pearl Harbor, and San Diego, while it busted for Ft Bragg, Ft Campbell, and Eglin AFB.

Go Navy!

http://www.defensetravel.dod.mil/site/bahCalc.cfm
https://supportpay.com/resources/child-support-calculator/

>>34416069

>Implying children
>Implying picking a spouse that doesn't have their own income

Don't marry stupid. If you can't find a worthwhile female, just do a contract marriage, preferably with another male service member.

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>>34415870
>implying misa-nee isn't a literal phallus chalice
>>34415943
Troy will get needles in his dick then.

>>34416092
>Implying picking a spouse that doesn't have their own income

I might be getting on a bit in years but women shouldn't have jobs.

>>34416105

If you're really poor and your spouse can't get a decent job it can make sense to have them be a homemaker. If you're really rich you don't have to.

My spouse makes $80k, why the fuck would I have her full time job be cleaning and sitting around? She can cover childcare and the maid with enough left over for us to buy a new car every year.

>>34416151

This. Dual income takes middle class life from comfortable to really fucking nice.

I need help trying to get into any branch, preferably Marine Corps, will settle for Coast Guard. Army is a nice in between. I had been diagnosed with asthma as a kid, even though I was really just out of shape. I've been treated for pneumonia once, and ive always oversold my asthma so I could miss school. I don't really have it, but now its a problem, because I want to enlist. Any suggestions besides get fit and work on Cardio V because I already am, I swim for cardio, and I lost 50 lbs this year.

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>>34416092
>Don't marry stupid.
We're talking about enlisted personnel here, but that's alright. We'll factor it for no children though. BAH for each location is:
>Ft Bragg
$ 960.00
>Ft Campbell
$ 1035.00
>Eglin AFB
$ 1119.00
>Norfolk
$ 1245.00
>Pearl Harbor
$ 1980.00
>San Diego
$ 1887.00

Adding this all up, we get:
>Ft Bragg
$ 3496.00
>Ft Campbell
$ 3571.00
>Eglin AFB
$ 3655.00
>Norfolk
$ 3781.00
>Pearl Harbor
$ 4516.00
>San Diego
$ 4423.00

In the case of divorce, you're left with:
>Ft Bragg
$ 1748.00
>Ft Campbell
$ 1785.50
>Eglin AFB
$ 1827.50
>Norfolk
$ 1890.50
>Pearl Harbor
$ 2258.00
>San Diego
$ 2211.50

Game theory tells us your take-home will be:
>Ft Bragg
$ 2622.00
>Ft Campbell
$ 2678.25
>Eglin AFB
$ 2741.25
>Norfolk
$ 2835.75
>Pearl Harbor
$ 3387.00
>San Diego
$ 3317.25

So there you have it. So long as you keep your dick in your pants and avoid having kids, marriage, for your typical E-4, is worthwhile!

>>34415533
>filename
It's an acclamator, not a venator

>rest of post
Assuming you're living in the universe that has the same rulses as the one I'm in, no. A spaceship designed for military use will never land, there's no point.

>>34416232

>He doesn't realize that BAH w/dependents doesn't require kids.

You sure did a lot of Googling for no reason, anon.

I'm a 22yo recent graduate with a math B.S. I talked to an Air Force recruiter about joining as an officer. He said I'm better off joining as enlisted since they're only looking for engineering degrees. Was he hornswoggling me, or is this true?

>>34416252
>missing the forest for the trees
The important lesson here is that marrying is a worthwhile gamble for active duty military, but kids are not.

>>34416253
That's pure bullshit. Find a new recruiter.

>>34416253
He's some salty as fuck E-5 who wants everyone to suck as hard as he does.

Find a new recruiter

Never accept second best

>>34416253
If your degree was gender studies, i'd agree, but you're a fucking math major. you should be competitive for a lot of commissioned afsc's.

>>34400531
>If you are the O-1, your life is slightly less shit.

LOL you must really not know shit like the other anon has said. Junior officers get raped with qualcards, watches and shitty hours at all times, even more so than enlisted.

>>34416447
>>34416518
>>34416592
Thanks, everyone. I'll talk to someone else.

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>>34416253
Air Force recruiters tell people a lot of BS, My father is in the Air Force so he was pushing me to go Air Force and the one recruiter I was talking to probably didn't need to get that many numbers in at the time I was seeing him so he made a big deal about my weight even though my body fat percentage was only at 18% but he didn't care made all these excuses to how that's not gonna work with MEPs. I clearly lift, and I wasn't to dumb to get in I got at least a 76 AFQT. Worse thing about this guy is any time a woman entered that office his tune changed, I noticed it a few times just listening in. The damn walls in that place were made of paper, I could hear the Marines on the left and the Air Force on the right. Big difference in the way they to talk everyone. I heard similar stories from other guys that went to talk with Air Force recruiters it's just one of those things with the culture of the branch I guess.

Anyway on the issue of my weight little did I know the Navy gave no shits about my weight my they just taped me and I was several inches under the limit, I'm not a fatty and they know it I was like only 22 lbs over the limit for my height but with no gut in sight but now I got the ball rolling. I spent like 3 months trying to lose more weight lost about 12 lbs in that time, started to see my fucking veins in my arms. AF didn't give a shit, got tired with it decided to talk to the other branches and I'm going with Navy.

That one recruiter don't jive well with me, but I don't know what's worse. A thirsty Marine recruiter that won't stop hounding me every time I go back to the Recruiters Station here in town, or a lazy Airman that goes on 6 to 8 hour lunch breaks and is MIA once he got all the numbers he needs.

>>34416633
I'd give the other branches a look to, don't let them talk you into anything but you might be better off as an Officer in a different branch than as one in the Air Force.

>>34416633

it's the chair force man, they bullshit constantly because they don't really need anyone

if you want a branch that will actually jump at the chance to get you in, try the marines, though obviously the reason for that is that it's the fucking marines

>>34416633
also consider navy OCS as well. acceptance rates for aviator usually exceed 50%. if you have shit eyesight, go NFO and you still get to fly (you're goose) and the acceptance rates exceed 50%. If you rocked your SAT you'll rock the ASTB.

>>34400175
91f with option 40
What can I expect to be different at rasp coming in as a pog?
Also how is battalion life different as a pog?

>>34416812

Most people who go to RASP and most people in the 75th are POGs. You'll do your job like in any other unit, except with more funding and the option for the unit to tell you to GTFO if you don't uphold standards.

If a war broke out, for whatever reasons doesnt matter, would it be better to enlist during the surge or before

>>34416633
Contrary to everybody else's advice, the USAF officer recruiter should NOT be your local enlisted recruiter. It's a different guy, like the USMC. Locate this guy and talk to him.

I keep forgetting that I'm signing up for more than getting yelled at until I read stuff that gives me tips about learning to treat sucking chest wounds.

I was very interested in joining the Marines and going infantry. Everyone in my family told me "it's just a passing phase, go to the Air Force recruiter, you'll thank us later."

Well now I've been in the Air Force for a year, and while I got stationed at a nice base in Europe, my heart is just not in it. I feel like a caricature of myself for not going infantry like I wanted originally.

Anyone else get this feeling? Hearing friends from other branches call me "chair force" feels like a knife twisting in my chest, rubbing my face in my shit

>>34418256
this is your punishment for going along with your family instead of following your heart. i know, because i listened to my family about going to grad school instead of taking a job at nasa, and now i'm here.

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>>34415692
>implying Grunt Weeb nigga can't take his Waifu to Syria or on an MEU

Hey guys, I was wondering if naval aviators are allowed to decorate their cockpit with waifu shit, and to what extent they are allowed to do so if at all.

>>34418256

>Actually letting "Chair Force" get to you.

Grow up.

>>34418256
I almost didn't go Marines but the shame I felt at myself for almost chickening out was enough to make me do it.

>>34418393
It gets to me because it reminds me I'm not where I want to be, not because it offends my pride.

I have no pride in the Air Force, it's a ridiculous organization with no tradition. I have to grit my teeth when maintainers act like they're superior to nonners. I have to give my career field, Ammo, some props for attempting to have tradition, but it just comes off awkward.

>>34411463
Anyone with more info pls respond.

>>34418256
>I was very interested in joining the Marines and going infantry.
I though Marines didnt let you choose what you did

>>34418256

I was in your same situation except I steeled myself and told my parents to suck my giant cock.

Shipping out to Parris Island in 2 months. FeelsGoodMan

>>34418825

Unless my recruiter has been bullshitting me, they do.

Am I an idiot for refusing a 14E contract in hopes of a 17C or 35F contract?

>>34418992
Also, am I an idiot for thinking about the Air Force? I got a 92 on the ASVAB and want to do something with a TS clearance that would allow me to work with reasonably intelligent people.

I also wouldn't mind working with the kind of people that browse /k/.

>>34418474
That kind of shit is in all the branches. You say you've only been in a year, quit being a pussy and just give it a shot. You haven't even been in long enough to know what the "real air force" is like.

A real complaint would be about the pussification of our armed forces in general. In that sense, you're absolutely right and justified. But if your complaints stem soley from muh chair force, suck it up and grown a spine.

>>34419021
TS clearance isn't shit. Aim higher - SAR/SCI shit. Go Intel if you want to work with super duper secret "gov. doesn't recognize this exists officially" tier clearances. SpFo wouldn't be a bad option either. Or possibly linguist. The people you will work with vary from "how'd you make it through basic without dying?" to "you have 3 masters and are enlisted, why?" regardless of job. Don't base your job on wanting to work with intelligent people because even dumbasses can get a high ASVAB score.

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>>34418474
>with no tradition
Its even funnier witnessing senior Air Force throw that word around now that they realize they are getting split up into the Space Corps.

Supposedly pic related was pissed since she would be losing money. The US Air Force spent the last decade fucking up nonstop, managing to piss off every other branch, The Pentagon, and now Congress.

>>34419071
I'm not the most physically fit otherwise I'd be going SpecFor.

SAR meaning Search And Rescue, right?
SCI, though, can't find what that means beyond "Secure Compartmentalized Information"...

>>34417088
I'd think before

>>34418256
The grass is always greener, desk jockey.

In all seriousness, make due with what you've got. The Air Force is typically a pretty nice jumpstart point for going into technical careers as a civilian (unless you're SF) and the white collar-ish lifestyle just helps with getting experience for future jobs.

And "chair force" is literally just inter-service banter. Same with calling Marines "crayon-eaters" and Army "fat bodies". Same flag on your shoulder at the end of the day.

>>34418825
You aren't a fucking conscript being shipped to Nam. You have a choice for your career if you volunteer for the military.

>>34400175
How difficult is switching from 11b into something like PsyOps, civil affairs, or special forces?

>>34418992
>am i an idiot for turning down something for another thing i want even more?
dude, it's your fucking life at this point. do what YOU want to do, not what's available at the moment.

my recruiter tells me that the MOS I want isn't currently available and likely won't be by the time I ship out

Is it at all possible to have my ship date delayed so I can wait around until the MOS I want opens? Or am I fucked and will have to settle with something else that I don't want or else i'll simply be dropped?

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>>34419021
>want to do something with a TS clearance that would allow me to work with reasonably intelligent people.
>want to work with intelligent people
Stop right there. See pic related? That's just a random neckbeard photo from google images, but you wouldn't be able to tell him apart from just about 50% of all the computer science majors at a top-tier university. He can talk on and on about physics, tell you about how he built an operating system from scratch for his class project, then built another one from scratch just for shits and giggles. He is much smarter than you will ever be and can probably score 99 on the ASVAB while piss drunk and being sleep-deprived two straight days. However, you do not want to work with this man. He is a lone wolf by nature and will make your day unpleasant. He is pedantic beyond comprehension, his hobbies are so stereotypical he'd make /tg/ and /sci/ cringe, and can't take social cues without having everything spelled out for him so bluntly it makes nuance and social skills meaningless. This is the vast, vast majority of intelligent people.

What you really want is to work with people of average intelligence who are merely competent at their jobs, but can interact socially in a professional environment.

>>34419378
Not hard because those are under strength MOS. You probably couldn't do the reverse (i.e. CA to infantry).

>>34419793
Are you even locked in for a ship date? You shouldn't be if you don't have your MOS yet.

>>34419793
>he signed an open contract
hook, line, and sinker

>>34419853

Yeah, my ship date is locked in.

I take it i've been rused?

>>34404070
Please share story?