Why are slavshit jets so terrible?

Georgraphy mostly. Soviets were more about land invasions, Americans were more about overseas invasions. Thus, americans put a lot more time and money into naval and aerial assets. It's why Russian armour and SAMs were superior for a while there.

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>>34399136
or even continue to be, assuming this thing actually works and can be produced

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Their navy also sucks

>>34399065
Tiny slav brains

>>34399065

Constant brain drain because they completely wasted 1920 - 1990 by chasing the communism meme.

>>34399222
I am a slav and your words have hurt my feelings.

>>34399274
The pioneer of flight in my country supported communists with his resources during ww2 until they turned against him and killed him.

It's a well deserved death for the commie enabler. And no my country is not Russia or Ukraine

>>34399274
Imagine this

>Be intelligent inventor, start a large company and make a lot of money
>See your country invaded by Germans
>Decide to aid communist fighters with your wealth
>One day they beat you to death and steal everything you own leaving your children as poor orphans

>>34399332
Who exactly?

>>34399065
S-ducts

>>34399276
Is okay Ivan, just drown feeling in vodka.

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>>34399184
>200 years of rich tradition fighting against mighty swedish fleet on north and not the worst turkish fleet on south
>some memelard says "their navy sucks"
>meanwhile 1 Pjotr Velikiy can wipe out entire carrier group
they will never learn

>>34399578
Most of the engineers that weren't exiled or outright executed.

>>34399615
This is how you get tiny slav brain

>>34399630
That was 150 years ago retard things have changed

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>>34399630
>beats turks
>thinks this is an accomplishment
>can't beat a country that only discovered metal ships can float 15 years before

Poor shitty countries buy Russian planes.

Rich nice countries buy American planes.

MiG-21 was great during Vietnam, horribly outdated in every war after that. Vast majority of MiG-21's shot down were by Israelis after Vietnam.

MiG-23 was just straight shit. Also fought F-16's and F-15's, instead of F-4's like it was designed to.

MiG-25 ironically is one of the best Soviet fighters. Caused massive butthurt by flying over Israel. Shot down an F-18C during desert storm (the last US fighter shot down in air to air combat.) Even hit an F-15 and damaged it once. Performed very impressively when it was designed for nothing other than high speed high alt bomber intercepts.

Mig-29 is overall a decent plane, but when Iraq sends 5 of them against 40 coalition fighters, they gonna lose. When Yugoslavia sends 5 broken ones against the entire NATO air force, they gonna lose. When Eritrea fucks around with Ethopian Su-27's flown by Russian pilots flying the superior slav 4th gen design, they gonna lose. That's the Fulcrums service in a nutshell.

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>>34400756
I thought that when it came to military planes, the wisdom went something like this:

If you want top-notch quality at an obscene price, buy a new American jet
If you want high quality at a high price, buy a used American jet.
If you want really high quality at a decent price, buy a new Russian jet
If you want mediocrity at a high price, buy a European jet

>>34400969
Sounds about right.

Modern Russian planes are pretty good but are still a decade+ behind, and the gap is growing with every new F-35 being built. Nothing Russia has comes close to the F-22.

>>34400756
>Poor shitty countries buy Russian planes.
>Rich nice countries buy American planes.

Hmmm I wonder why that could be...

Couldn't possibly mean that richer countries opt for the better product

>>34400756
>MiG-25 ironically is one of the best Soviet fighters.

Its an interceptor, not an air superiority fighter.

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>>34401062
I never once claimed the opposite.
Russian planes are worse than American ones.

The countries that buy these planes adds to their poor combat record though.

I'd bet Israeli pilots would have found a way to shoot down F-15's and F-16's with MiG-23's

>>34401080
Which is why he said "ironically"

>>34401095
That isn't ironic.

>>34401080
I know, it's one of my favorite planes. I just simplified for non-planefags. That was my point though, it's a pure interceptor that was used in regular fighter roles and still performed well.

>>34401083
PAK-FA is a meme.

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>>34401108
take that back

>>34399184
all those ports they have

>>34401141
All of its major components are either derived from or are identical to the ones on the Su-35 (radar and engines), its a gen 4.5 masquerading as a 5th gen. Also muh S-ducts.

>>34401141
It's absolutely gorgeous, as most modern Soviet/Russian designs are.

I'm very skeptical of its stealth capabilities, and if it's sensors and datalink aren't at least equal to the F-22 then what's the point?

>>34401173
The engines are a dead giveaway too. But i'll be charitable to the vatniks and believe their claims that those engines are merely for testing and that they have super magical engines already developed for the IOC version of the SU-50.

>>34401218
With Russia's financial situation and recent defense cuts, the opening of a completely new production lines for an engine is extremely optimistic.

>>34399630
nigga some of those boats used wind power

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>>34399065
>mfw the Wargame: RD devs made Soviet jets equal to American and European jets
I guess the slavaboos needed at least one reason to live.

>>34399184
>be typhoon class submarine
>explode because Ivan used the reactor chamber to distill vodka

>>34401083
>Engine isn't even in mass production
It's okay Ivan, everyone has problems getting it up sometimes, I'm sure it's actually very big.

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>>34400969
Russian planes are poorly built and poorly designed garbage. Russian planes have hugely inflated maintenance costs, while many western planes can get through their entire service life on their first engine. Buying Russian planes isn't compromising performance to save money, its just deferring costs. Here's a graphic showing that mig-29 goes through six times as many engines as an f -16

>>34400969
DELET THIS NOW.

But seriously, our planes are certainly on par with Russian/Soviet products. There is no way that the Typhoon could be considered mediocre especially when compared to shit like the MiG 29 and Su-27. The only Europlane that is pure shit is the Gripen.

>>34402378
Do they change both engines at the same time?

>>34401106
Yes it is.

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>>34402993
No, they just rotate engines within every squadron.

>>34403012
can i have your autograph, alanis?

>>34403065
You lost me.

>>34403073
http://www.isitironic.com/alanis-morissette.htm

>>34403170
I see. Still not getting the point, though.

>>34399222
Al least mikoyan engineers have bigger brain than you summer fag.

>>34399065
1. lack of funds
2. defensive & interceptor centric doctrine
3.heavily dependent on ground controller

>>34403231
MiG has a reputation of having shitty quality and terrible support compared to other Russian aircraft manufactures.

>all of this butthurt generated by americucks and western eurocucks could provide enough energy for entire Earth for 1 million years

>>34403525
your mom's dick sucking power would handle the other 4.999 billion years our earth has left.

>>34403525
>Western jets shoot down slav jets all fucking day long
>its westerners who are upset at this fact.

(You)

>>34403463
>MiG has a reputation of having shitty quality and terrible support compared to other Russian aircraft manufactures.
And considering even "good" russian support sucks,Mig's must be especially shitty.

I only remember that time they sold old Mig-29s to Algeria as new.Do you have more stories?
>34403525
Bad vatnik bait doesn't even deserve a (you)

>>34400222
>can't beat a country that only discovered metal ships can float 15 years before
>armed with cutting edge british ships made at start of industrial revolution
>still managed to win few battles

Is the Typhoon ever going to be replaced with another aircraft made by Eurofighter GmbH or are they just going to keep "upgrading" it in the hopes that the F-35 doesn't completely overwhelm the market?

>>34404160
The TAI TFX

>>34399065
Isn't this pic now outdated thanks to that MiG that was shot down over Syria?

>>34401083
>can't build engines that don't explode
>the fewer than 2 dozen that have been built have chinesium engines (that still explode, but at a lower rate)

>>34399332
>>34399578
Reminds me that i stumbled across this one today
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakov_Taubin

>For the Ilyushin Il-2 Stormovik, Taubin developed the 23mm MP-6 gun (two were to be mounted on each aircraft).[5] The MP-6 used a short recoil system. It weighed 70 kilograms (150 lb), had an initial muzzle velocity of 900 metres per second (3,000 ft/s), and a rate of fire of about 600 rounds per minute, with an 81-round clip provided. Initial airborne trials were conducted (not on the Il-2) in the spring of 1940 and factory trials on the Il-2 in August 1940. In flight, the ammunition clips sometimes became dislodged because of their large surface, which caused them to experience significant aerodynamic pressure, so the gun was converted to being belt-fed. Although this gun was ultimately not used on the Il-2, Taubin (along with Barburin) was awarded the Order of Lenin for designing it.
>On the night of May 15–16, 1941, Taubin and several associates were arrested on charges of preserving samples of unfinished weapons and egregiously plotting production of technically unfinished and unsatisfactory weapons systems, namely the 23mm infantry anti-aircraft gun and the 12.7mm machine gun.

>Following trial, Taubin was executed by shooting on October 17, 1941, in the village of Barbysh near Samara, Russia (then called Kuybyshev).

>>34399136
>Soviets were more about land invasions

Which explicitly requires an air force, unless the enemy doesn't have one. But the USSR's enemy was NATO, which had an air force.

>>34406427
In Soviet Russia, if you mess up at your job you are fired.

>>34399065
The Soviets didn't have the brainpower, the computer power, or the money to duplicate the stupid huge R&D efforts the US embarked on after Vietnam.

>>34406476
And if you do it well, they execute you

>>34399276
>slav
>feelings
I took believe in the tooth fairy

>>34403231
>summer fag.
go back to your cancer-containment /b/oard

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>>34402968
Forgetting best euro jet

>>34406476
Just read up on the master of Soviet rocketry, Sergei Korolev. Poor fucking gave it all.

>>34399065
Socialism.Every problem they have comes from it.

>bad economy
Socialism destroyed it
>no work ethic
Socialism killed it
>badly designed planes
Most of the good designers fled to the west or were killed.Political favoritism often meant that bad designers would get their own bureaus.
>Bad training
Dictatorships fear competent armies.
>>34406507
And even if they did,the corrupt and inefficient russian industrial sector would still make a product inferior to the american planes.

>>34407189
>All of this bullshit

>>34407189
I don't think socialism means what you think it does there champ

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>>34408630
>>34409787
Found the pinkos.If you really believe the stupid dysfunctional economic system that comes pre-packaged with a dictatorship didn't destroy Russia you are crazy.