AIM9x missed Syrian jet

>>34389448
Fuck off with your low effort bait
For fuck's sake, this is news now? He missed with a missile? Not like that ever happens, oh no.

Sage

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>deploys countermeasures designed to defeat said missile
>missile defeated

>>34389448
Next you're going to tell me all ammunition is shit because armor exists.

>>34389468
>>34389476
A $600k missile should not be defeated by flares from a 40 yr old slavshit jet you fucking niggers.

>>34389496
>bullets
>air to air 600k missile
not exactly apples to apples there Cletus

>>34389501
>It costs more
>Therefore it should be absolutely infallible

Welcome to the real world fucknuts

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>>34389501
>>34389510
>he thinks 600k is a lot of money
>for the fucking USAF

Go be poor somewhere else.

>according to CNN
What an amazing source, I had no idea that a CNN journalist was the WSO of that Super Hornet!

First it was .5mi, now it's 1.5mi

We won't know anything for sure until the USN releases a detailed description of intercept, which they're unlikely to do.

>>34389541
not infallible but it should at least defeat some shitty flares
>>34389546
sure is RaytheonIDF in here

Oh I forgot you military welfare queens dont pay any tax nvm

>>34389476
>>34389496
>>34389510
>>34389541
>>34389546
>>34389575
Stop replying

>>34389581
Just because CNN said that flares are what caused the sidewinder to miss doesn't mean they're right, dumbass. There are a hole lot of things that have to happen for a missile to hit its target, rejecting countermeasures is just one of them.

sidewinders were always shit. they have a 80% chance of hitting.

>>34389581
>not infallible but it should at least

So infallible

>>34389575
didnt they just say it was aim9 anyways and not specifically aim9x?

>>34389593
>There are a hole lot of things that have to happen for a missile to hit its target
such as?
>>34389604
no, it was an 9x

>>34389448

Are you retarded?

So your arguments, in order are:

1) The AIM-9x (sidewinder) is shit because it is a heat seeking missile that can be defeated by flares

2) the AMRAAM which is radar guided is shit because although it can't be defeated by flares it is too expensive to ever fire in anger because muh tax dollars.

3) the Navy is stupid because it tried the CHEAPER missile first and only deployed the expensive AMRAAM when it became clear the Sidewinder wouldn't hit it's mark.

What would you have the Navy do? Just let it's missiles rot because they are too expensive? We already BOUGHT the missile, it's a sunk cost you mouth breather. Might as well use it to dick slap some uppity little Syrian shitstains.

>>34389501
Do you even understand how flares work? Do you think that if you throw enough money into it, a missile automatically "learns" how to defeat flares?

>AIM-9X missed

Citation needed.

>>34389619
>the AMRAAM which is radar guided is shit
I didn't say that retard, it just probably wasn't worth using
>the Navy is stupid because it tried the CHEAPER missile first and only deployed the expensive AMRAAM when it became clear the Sidewinder wouldn't hit it's mark.
Well F-18s have a gun right? that would have made more sense

>>34389630
>Do you think that if you throw enough money into it, a missile automatically "learns" how to defeat flares?
Yes actually, that's what sensors do. They discriminate between different heat signatures, dipshit

>>34389645
>it isn't worth using a 600k missile to shoot down a multi-million dollar jet from a country that has less money than you

Go be poor somewhere else

>>34389658
holy fuck you are dumb, this is your last (You) I'm giving

Why the fuck is there even an F-22 jet attacking Syrian Jet?

>>34389616
cnn just say "aim-9"

>>34389689
Nigger did you even read the OP, it was an F-18

fuck I had no idea so many retards inhabiting this board

>>34389698
Fine, why is there a Navy F-18 attacking Syrian Jet?

>>34389689
Because it makes slavaboos mad on the internet.

>>34389718
That's stupid.

>>34389718
Not a slav boo and the only the anons replying to me are mad

>>34389752
If I had a 600 billion dollar a year military budget at my disposal, I'd also bomb whoever 4chan liked the most at any given moment.

>>34389704
I'm pretty sure only the 9x is in USN service now
And you can't expect CNN tards to know the different variants of a missile

>>34389785
>>34389694

>>34389785
Both 9M and 9X are in service, there is no reason to get rid of M's that are still serviceable.

>>34389846
Sounds like they used a M, as the X is imrec, so it shouldn't be affected by flares much.

>>34389616
>such as?

>come off the rail properly
>be launched from a position that could potentially lead to a hit
>have enough energy to hit a maneuvering target
>reject both passive and active countermeasures
>not fail due to some internal defect
>proximity fuze has to go off
>has to do enough damage to take down the aircraft
Just off the top of my head

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Amerifats in denial

>>34389971
>shoot down Slav jet
>"but it took two missiles!!!!"
>"AMERIFATS BTFO hahaha!!"
You're right, this is a major defeat for all Americans

>>34389995
Since the Lima these sidewinders should be impervious to flares. In fact, only DIRCM should work on them to an extent due to their seekerhead.

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>>34389995
Thats not what im saying , the thing here is one of your most advanced missiles fired from one of the most advanced fighter jet (Super hornet) fired at a thirld world su 22 failed .
And when we are having a discussion about it
you are loosing your shit like a bunch of triggered feminists denying everything we tell you .
No wonder no one besides the 17 year old alt right wannabe gives a shit about 4chan anymore

>>34390031
this

>>34390031
You give a shit.

You can never leave.

>>34390031
super hornet is not the most advanced and aim-9 is not so much a big deal

>>34389448
>Missile
>Missil
>Missi
>Miss

"Miss" is in the word, Its not called a "Hittile"

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>Be Shartnik

>Vigorously defend multi-billion dollar weapons contractor which uses Mexican workers to assemble your rockets

>Swell up with pride as you definitely told off those fucking worthless Slav niggers

>Squeeze off a pleasant fart, feels a little wet and you can sense a warm sensation climbing up the ass crack

>Make nothing of it, head for the local Walmart to pick-up some processed cheese.

>>34390055
I like you. You can stay.

Russian jets and counter measures are the best. America can't even counteract them and has been behind the Russians for years.

Get fucked burgers

>>34390091
I will remind you of this post some day

>>34389501

>not knowing how heat-seekers and flare decoys work.

The US education system everybody.

>>34390055

true lol

>>34389476
This isn't battlefield where all flares are the same. IR missiles can be taught to see different wavelengths of light to ignore flares and target engines. For our most advanced Aim9, it should be the case, but guess not. Maybe Russia gave Assad their latest flares.

>>34390122
the reason this is such a big deal is because everyone is used to pidorashka technology being garbage and getting smashed with ease, the "issue" here is that an american missile (doesnt specify model) was bested by flare. it is a man bites dog moment.

>>34390031
>AIM-9X
Still no actual proof that it was an AIM-9X, this is also meaningless information without knowing the situation the missiles were launched in.

Let's also remember that it was an AIM-9X that shot down the Russian Su-24 that entered Turkish airspace

>>34389448
This is encouraging, if even shitty countermeasures can still beat the best of heaters, and stealth can counter other missiles, stealth fighters may actually have to dogfight each other.

>>34390031
AIM-9M are as old as Su-22M4

>>34389704
>Fine, why is there a Navy F-18 attacking Syrian Jet?
Because the deep state is more powerful than a mere president

>>34389645
>Well F-18s have a gun right? that would have made more sense
Closing to gun range where all sorts of maneuvering shit can happen is fuckstupid. Literally a way to discard your advantages

>>34390217
>Let's also remember that it was an AIM-9X that shot down the Russian Su-24 that entered Turkish airspace
It was an AIM-120. Turks do not have AIM-9X

>Su-22

Why do Syrians purchase weapons and equipment from third world countries anyway?

>>34389950
>imrec
Pardon my ignorance, but what is the distinction between imrec and a "normal" heater?

>>34389448
>40 years old
you're saying that like it means something. woudl you be surprised to hear that the F15 airframe is also 40 years old?

>>34389448
>people surprised flares work against heaters

Why are you so surprised?

>>34390623
The modern F-15 only has the basic airframe in common with the original.

>>34389448
is this still about these old news about a US plane that shot down a russian plane above syria, or did the US just shot down an other one ?

>>34390662
sage

>>34390634
The F-15C and F-15E are from the 80's.

>>34389448
literally firing at a jet that isn't even allowed to fight back

>>34390966
>what are blocks

>>34390966
Your mom's daily dick count is in the 80s

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>the ratio of slavshit downed by superior US tech grows ever larger
>vatniks resort to finding such miniscule silver linings such as complaining that the kill was not MLG skillshot enough

If this continues at present rate, vatniks will claim victory if the US occupational forces in moscow doesn't force them to swallow their cum after raping their faces.

A subsonic plane can always out turn a mach 4-5 missile
It's basic physics

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>>34389448
Here we go again, how many more threads will get I wonder?

>>34391550
MY
S C E N A R I O
STANDS

Are there missiles that are guided using computer vision yet?

>>34391696
modern sidewinders are, i believe.

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>>34391626
Heh. I wonder if that dude is still around. Ironically those Hornets from the image used all their shit, killed two Moroccan FFGs and then got killed my two Mirages because they couldn't defend themselves and I didn't pay attention. Sudoku soon.

>>34389448
F-35 confirmed to be shit. how about you put misses into your simulations now.

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>>34391758

>>34391758
Except that the F-35 is build around BVR. I know it is bait but you have to make it sound real at least.

>>34391767
but it would be fact

>>34390158
>IR missiles can be taught to see different wavelengths

What do you think IR is...

Front aspect shot plus flares... not that hard.

Good on the Syrian pilot for noticing he was being fired upon. Hope he made it out after the AMRAAM hit.

>>34391101
Feel free to tell us what modifications the F-15C has received.

>>34389581
We do pay tax, but other than that and my car insurance life is free. How does it feel being a productive member of society whos actually doing something other than shooting foreigners for fun and pension?

>>34391921
Couldn't say, and no time to do research to make a 4chan post.

That said, I was talking to some officers at my local Air Guard unit about all the things they've done to their F-16s over the years, and if the Air Guard gets more upgrades than the actual USAF's workhorse, then no wonder everyone wants to fly Reserve.

>>34391921
Newer radars

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>>34390558
Wrong on both accounts.

>>34389448
Eh Sidewinders have always been pretty trash. AMRAAMs area better than the old AIM-7's, thankfully... AIM-7s used to be even worse than the AIM-9 sidewinders.

Someone please post that image with US and Slavshit fighters next to their K:D ratios. Please thanks

>>34389448
Calling it a miss is a stretch. It was defeated by the appropriate counter measure. Heat Seeking missiles are defeated by flares when launched correctly.

The AMRAAM destroyed the aircraft but the pilot ejected safely, I believe.

But it's not really a miss for the AIM-9, a miss would be if it failed to lock against a target not deploying flares

>>34389468
this

>>34389448
FAKE NEWS

>http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/news/a55938/su-22-dodge-aim-9x-sidewinder/
>According to CNN, the Navy Super Hornet locked onto the Su-22 Fitter at a range of 1.5 miles. The Super Hornet launched an AIM-9X
Link to CNN
http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/21/politics/us-syria-russia-dogfight/index.html
>firing a AIM-9 Sidewinder
NO MENTION OF AN AIM-9X!!!

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>>34393123
Only because you asked nicely.

lol... Everyone commenting without seeing the HUD footage.

People are quoting CNN saying the AIM-9 missed. It didn't guide and fuze.

>>34392138
he wont be able to reply. He is irrevocably btfo.

>>34394136
You haven't seen any HUD footage of the shootdown either.

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>>34394397

>he doesn't have access to SIPRNet...

>>34391788
It is a frequency spectrum, roughly 700 to 1000 nm wavelength.

Fucking retard, off yourself.

>>34389645
>the missile is too expensive
>let me just risk the entire aircraft to use guns


god damn you are fucking stupid.

>>34389645
Life is not a fucking ace combat game you retard

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Why didn't the pussy pilot just use the guns. Have a dogfight or two you assholes, it's been literally 30 years since we had a good one.

>God help us if we get into an air fight with Russia or China.

You think their shit is any better? In the US, corruption afflicts the system to some degree. In China and Russia, corruption is the system.

>>34390589
Well, there are apparently no real reasons to buy advanced fighters because all you need are a box of 50 year old flares and you can defeat the greatest tech America has to offer.

Who does this point the finger at more, raytheon or the fact that the forces just throw money at names?

>>34389496
Yeah, maybe if that syrian would have been in a mud hut, the weapon would have been more effective.

>>34389448
The real question is why does the greatest American tech get btfo by old Russian stuff every time?

>Billion dollar armor protected by $1.49 per foot chain link fence (military cost $6,859.95 per foot) to stop 70 year old Russian projectiles.

>Billion dollar stealth fighter downed by 1st gen anti-air missile fired by drunk slav.

>>34389448
your shitposting threads are really boring. you don't even try to change things up from your usn collision threads.

>>34389448
The real story is using Esquire as a source.

>>34391134
>kekek shartniks i spat it out while you were busy impregnating my sister
>that load just hit my tongue, then the floor, did
not go in stomach,
>ameriburger btfo
>how will fatistan ever recover

>>34391758
Precisely this.

The implications of an AIM-9X missing against a 30 year old plane are pretty damning. The argument has been made that F-35 doesn't need to turn because it has all aspect missiles. If these missiles can't targets, how will the F-35 deal with threats?

>>34391770
Yet most engagements still tend to happen WVR. Don't get me wrong, BVR is VERY important because in an actual war, first shot first kill. However, I think engagements like this are going to be more common. F-35s are going to be flying like this Super Hornet. It will be flying in shared airspace, not contested, when it needs to shoot.

>>34391921
>>34392437

Pulse doppler radar has been upgraded to AESA.

New data modems and information sharing.

GPS integration. For a while, pilots were flying with early model hiking GPSs. Before that, it was primarily inertial navigation systems.

AIM-120A-D compatibility. The first AMRAAMs didn't enter service until 1991, after the Gulf War. AIM-7 Sparrow was the Eagle's primary weapon until then.

ECM is always kept quiet, for good reason. It would be foolish to think that it has gone without upgrading since the 80s.

>>34394136
>>34394397
We probably won't see HUD footage for 10 years.

>>34397073
When has Russian equipment ever proven itself capable against American equipment en masse? It seems like the Russian stuff gets a few good pot shots off, and then is obliterated.

>>34399646
>The argument has been made that F-35 doesn't need to turn because it has all aspect missiles. If these missiles can't targets, how will the F-35 deal with threats?

A Spreyposter, how cute.

>>34399646
>Yet most engagements still tend to happen WVR.

Nope.

>>34399646
>Still no proof it was an AIM-9X
>Still no proof it was defeated by flares
>This somehow proves that the F-35, an aircraft designed mainly to carry the AIM-120, which was used to shoot down the Su-22, is bad.

u r dum

>>34389630
>Do you think that if you throw enough money into it, a missile automatically "learns" how to defeat flares?

Well that is actually what advanced IR/thermal missiles do..yeah

>>34389630
>>34390144
>Do you even understand how flares work? Do you think that if you throw enough money into it, a missile automatically "learns" how to defeat flares?

After over 60 years of development, countless air-to-air engagements, countless sums of money thrown into development, yes it's reasonable to expect IR-seekers to overcome flares.

>>34399817
Are you claiming that visual confirmation of a target is no longer a requirement? If so, citation needed.

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>>34403126
Hear that sound? It is reality knocking.

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>>34403243
>other

What's this?

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>>34403498
Rocks kill is still a kill.
i.e. forcing another aircraft to maneuver into the ground, whereupon he dies. happened twice in the gulf war. one was an EF-111 that suckered am Iraqi Mirage into killing himself. the other an Eagle which similarly killed a Fulcrum.

pic is airshow crash, but surely you get the idea.

>>34403608
>stay on target
>STAY ON TARGET
>background explosions intensify