Dude China just copies everything lmao

>>34384720
>largest and most heavily armed destroyer

I bet the Kirov got you real hot and bothered because they called it a cruiser

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>>34384720
>Build a large boat
>Call it a destroyer
>"Largest one ever!"

I bet you jump out of your chair every day you dumb faggot.

>>34384720
It's cheap for a reason Anon.. Eventually people (most likely unfortunate Chinese sailors) will figure this out as the fucker rapidly sinks to minor damage from something.

>>34384720
Well that looks awefully like a Burke...

They just made it into a cruiser, and are calling it a destroyer, hilarious.

>>34384728
They call it a Cruiser because it actually has weapons to protect itself without escorts or spamming flotillas.

>>34384720
Will it be able to avoid colliding with a merchant cargo ship that is on an autopilot?

>>34384720

YOU PROMISED ME 128 GOD DAMN VLS CELLS FOR 4 YEARS NOW CHICOMS.

128. ONE HUNDRED. TWENTY EIGHT.

WHAT DO I GET? 112. HOW THE FUCK IS THE USN SUPPOSED TO TAKE YOU SERIOUSLY WHEN THE GOD DAMN TICOS ARE OUT GUNNING IT? HOW? HOW CAN THEY GO TO CONGRESS WITH THIS?

YOUR FUCKING INCOMPETENCE IS KEKING ME OUT OF A GRANDER NAVY.

UNFUCK YOURSELF CHICOMS.

FUCK.

(And don't hit me with "b....but the VLS are a pathetic 15% b...bigger". Nobody gives a fuck and the missiles China have don't have the range of US missiles anyways.)

>4 being built simultaneously
When will this ride fucking stop?

>>34384827
Meh, US is doing the same on top of all the other ships they are shitting out.

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Worlds first triple Band AESA equipped Cruiser.

>>34386146
never heard of l band

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>bigger is ALWAYS better

SEAmonkeys, they never learn.

>>34386146
>if it has 3 different radar bands it's triple APAR!

Lel. Not only is it wrong, chicoms have yet to definitively say if it's actually an APAR or just two radars.

>tfw, with your logic, burkes are quad band APAR

>>34386146
WHERE THE FUCK ARE THE 128 VLS YOU PROMISED CHICOM?

WHERE?

THIS SHIT IS THE J-20 ALL OVER AGAIN. YOU PROMISED ME A SUPERMANUVERABLE AIR SUPERIORITY FIGHTER BUT GAVE ME A STRIKE FIGHTER.

YOU. PROMISED. ME. 128. VLS. FOR. YEARS.

WHERE IS IT?

>>34386274

Stop please, you are not funny.

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>>34386274
Don't know what is on the aft.

Hold out for better pictures showing the aft VLS complex.

Still, as it is now, this ship is superior to the AMDR Burke 3 already, in electronics, stealth and weaponry.

>>34384720
>>With a price 400 million USD less than a US destroyer
Probably made of Chinese "stainless" steel and tons of lead and shit

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>>34386323
Dat Sonar Bulge.

Even Virginias will learn to fear it.

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>>34386332
Those sex lines.

>>34386274
Legit question.

>>34386323
>Don't know what is on the aft.

Guy who posted the pics to Twitter confirmed 112.

>saying it's better than a ship who's not even fleshed out electronically

Chicom/10

>>34386320
Nah, this shit has been going on /k/ forever. Chicoms promise the world and deliver shit

I bet even Gorshkov can easily take out 20 of these.

>>34386323
On the leftmost part of this screen grab you can even make out a tiny bit of the midship VLS.

They are deliberately teasing everyone.

When will China build some drones motherships?

>>34386355
When they will steal technology

>>34386345
The Twitter guy himself doesn't know. The state holds monopoly on pictures. We will know if they release pics of its aft.
Still no big issue.

112 + 24 RAM make 136 missiles :^)

>>34386328

As long as it floats, moves and fires shit, it can be made from wood.

Modern destroyers aren't designed with resistance to weapons. They are designed to limit the damage as much as possible from the inevitable penetration via compartmentalisation.

They can make it out of mild steel for all it matters because even if they made it out of RHA grade steel, a missile is penetrating so it's better to just minimise the detonation.

Plus $400 million isn't that small relative to the tech base. They are using off the shelf 'parts' and pre existing technology. It's hardly going to be class leading outside of the number of VLS and we have absolutely no guarantee their missiles are on par with Tomahawks, let alone the better cruise missiles.

Knowing the chinks, they bought a BrahMos off Russia after Russia bought one off India for tech trade deals.

>>34386349
Why don't you say Indians P-15B?

>>34386364
>>34386364
>The Twitter guy himself doesn't know.
Except he directly said 112.

>counting CIWS

Kek

>it does not matter

It did for four years. What happened?

>>34386367
>They can make it out of mild steel for all it matters

Not true at all due to shock.

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>>34386354
Yeah, pretty much.

They have clamped down on all spotter pics and only allow official ones now.

Only now, old spotter pics can be posted, but not the new ones.

>>34386385
He. Doesn't. Know.

He's not a spotter, but an aggregator.

>>34386385
>Not counting CIWS

Oh, that's because the Burke doesn't have them anymore kek?

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The 13th 052D was also launched at the same time in Dalian.

But no one gives a shit about those anymore... Poor 052D.

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>>34386392
>h...he DOESN'T KNOW IT'S 128 MAO DAMMIT ITS 128!!!!!!! LIES ALL LIES

kek

>>34386395
Wut. Not only does it still have cwis, it has SEAram too...

>>34386412
Nobody ever gave a shit about frigates to be honest.

:^)

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>>34386345
Burke III here:

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/naval-exhibitions/2017/sna-2017-show-daily-news/4816-sna-2017-huntington-ingalls-industries-unveils-scale-model-of-ddg-51-flight-iii-design.html

>No AMDR
>No CIWS
>old superstructure and bad stealth
>same powerplant

>>34386443
A 7000t "frigate" that is better than the premiere ship of the RN, all of Europe, India, Russia and most other nations.

And has AESA compare to the best of the US.

>>34386445
Oh, and still has fucking mechanical steered SPG-62s like it's the 70s.

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>>34386445
>thinking a scale is anything to go by

I guess you missed the empty space where the CWIS always goes, I guess this means it will be empty!

AMDR is already confirmed BTW, so is increased power plant and propulsion.

You tried.

>>34386338
Looks very russian.

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See u June next year.

Pic are the two 055 built simultaneously in Dalian.

>>34386453
>we make the BESTEST frigates

Still a frigate :^]

>>34386485
No, rather European. FREMM and type 45 were the first to do these sorts of enclosed deck. Russians also copied Yurup.

>>34386490
It's a DDG tho.

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>>34386503
"""""""DDG"""""""

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0COHqNGWi8

Here a video

She will be the most powerful Chinese surface combatant and something that will be in terms of pur armament on par with the heavier western designs.

I mean the Chinese have already clipsed the armament on the Daring and Horizon classes of western Europe in terms of pure armament.

They have the US Burke flight II, the S. Korean KDX IIs, the Japanese Atago AEGIS DDGs, and of course the US Tico class cruisers in terms of pure modern armament.

You could include the Kirov and Slava Russian designs but those are older designs and though heavily armed, probably not up to the same modern sensor and capability standards.

YOU COULD say that even with only 112 cells the 055 will clearly outgun the Burke, KDX-2, and Kongo/Atago destroyers, and even the Slava cruisers, assuming China will soon deploy a quad-packing missile for its universal VLS. Only the Ticonderoga, KDX-3, and Kirov will be more heavily armed.

>>34386482
Them spgs.

>>34386553
KDX3 is not so good.

First, it gets a gimped Aegis export version.

Second, 48 of its 128 cells are some Korean propetriary stuff that can only launch their tomahawk copy and asroc.

type 55 unofficial simulation video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWQOq_v6CkM

>>34386554
Meh, there is enough of them so legacy missiles won't be overwhelmed in everything but the most apocalyptic scenario, and they are great for ECM environments (kind of hard to jam a giant beam of fuck).

Not so good at multi angle attacks and stealth missiles though. I can see why, from a cost perspective, they did it. DBR could do illumination but that's expensive as hell for a legacy feature.

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red pill me on 100+ cells, seems like overkill for a single ship and too many eggs in one basket? in a realistic war scenario wouldn't you bet better off with more ships carrying half the cells?

>>34386328
The chinks have 2 says
> you get what you pay for
if you pay shit you get shit- there are never good deals
>you pay for your face
morons that don't know the game will pay dearly for that.
Next time you need to blame someone for the crappiness of your cheap chinkshit just look in a mirror.

>>34386598

Around 100 cells are about bog standard for modern DDGs +- 10 cells or so.

The controversy comes from certain....enthusiastic posters claiming the 055 had 128, which would put it firmly in cruiser territory.

The idea of smaller ships carrying half the missiles is great if you have a robust network capable of handling target grade tracks to missiles. You still need big ships for the big radar and whatnot, but you can distribute the missiles around. Small ships have small radars which does not lend itself to using those very long range offensive/defensive missiles.

The only nation KNOWN to have a robust enough battlefield network is the US. The chinese and Russians are playing catchup but that's decades out until they get the infrastructure on platforms to build a robust web.

>>34386610
>>34386610
The problem with that saying is Chinese shell companies promiseing to do x for y, then not doing x.

>>34386598

China can pump these out relatively easily and they have two more in the docks being built right now with 4 more expected to be built over the next 4 years(probably going to be sooner then that)

In addition you have to think about

>this is a large DDG at almost cruiser size.
>can be mission capable longer.
>when under attack from AshMs it usually takes 2 missiles to shoot down one attacking missile so having more is better.

>>34386631

>Russians are playing catchup

Never going to happen, the Russian navy is a fucking joke.

>>34386646
>Never going to happen, the Russian navy is a fucking joke.

I was speaking generally, they are focusing on land systems.

US has robust systems on all fronts, and land/air/sea is all interconnected, and even on legacy systems. This is the US's hidden weapon.

So far, Russia and China are making efforts but are not bringing legacy systems into the mix and their networks tend to be sector specific, if not platform specific. This leads to a system that is easily breakable.

>>34386640
see second say and then look in the mirror.

Well, we are sure getting a LOT of naval enthusiast eye candy recently

>USS Zumwalt
>USS Ford
>PLAN CV-17
>HMS Queen Elizabeth
>PLAN Type 055.

China are now in the big league with modern VLS, stealthy, and battle managed design. All of this is truly amazing from a naval perspective.

Lots of new technologies, capabilities, etc. on these vessels.

New Washington Naval Treaty When?

>>34386675
>you have to EXPECT to be scammed

And hence why high grade manufacturing is a small sector in China and when it is there it is watched over like a hawk by the parent companys, as opposed to say Japan or Germany.

Which is a detriment to China. You guys are only hurting yourself. The entire point of outsourcing is lower costs which you are not getting if you need to hire an army of western QC guys

>>34386689
Hey, it's not their fault that you're a gullible moron.

>>34386696
It has nothing to do with me.

The screw over a company, great, they made a small amount of money. But they lost ALL of their return business. When the company goes to sue the Chinese courts are hostile.

It's a net loss for China when this shit happens. A net monitary loss. The scammers are criminals, but the Chinese government is the true morons in this scenario.

>>34386445
Serious question here - why cant they rework that horrifying christmas tree on top of it?

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>>34386830
Cost.

I think it looks way better than the cone heads on the rest of the world. Only the zumwalt had a mast that matched its aesthetics.

SA class is rumored to hide a big ole radar in its mast. And I kind of belive it...

>its one of the navy's most connected ships.
>it has an AEM/S, the only current us ship to have it. The reason was to integrate the radar into the mast so it does not have visible arrays. The material is frequency selective.
>it has a very high cost nobody in congress is bitching about
>it has a metric fuckton of on board power.

Pic related is what you would see on a Burke. THIS IS NOT A render, it was a test ship

>>34386328

In all honesty, the quality of the steel that the MAJOR refineries make in China happens to be as good as the US. The problem is that the smaller, shittier refineries are the only ones that ship the batches that smaller US workshops want and when they think 'oh hey, this is 10% of the US steel price' that they will get good quality shit.

Someone needs to post that Russian steel trader who comments on how if you want proper steel that you need to buy from one of the refineries that does shipping and construction grade metals and they only trade in the hundreds of tonnes which puts them out of range for smaller companies who are forced to conglomerate to buy proper stuff or risk the shit storm that is the chinese trade market.

Same as electronics as well.

Even if these new destroyers are only last gen destroyers with modern numbers of VLS, $400 mil is still a sweet deal with the LCS cost $300 million a piece and the Type 26 cost 4x that.

They could use these $400 million destroyers instead of frigates.

>>34386927
Cost is subjective. It's 400 million because they can pay their workforce nothing, and labor is the bulk of costs in shipbuilding. I guarantee you, you take labor manhours and then convert to western pay and it will be right up there with everyone else.... Maybe even more.

Have to remember that average salary in China is 15 grand USD. It's 40 grand in the US.

>>34386927
>They could use these $400 million destroyers instead of frigates.

Is that 400 mil $ less just the hull or also the equipment, the finished ship? If it's the whole ship that would be horrifying, in China you get 50 % more for the yuan than outside, the finished ship should be at least a billion cheaper than a comparable US ship.

>>34386927
Type-45 instead of Type-26.

I know it'll trigger someone.

Anyway, i've done some very dirty calculations, assuming 40 years life span and 4 always building at the same time they will have 70 of them in the end when the first ships have to retire again.

>>34386982
>, in China you get 50 % more for the yuan than outside

Wut. I am 99% sure thats 400M USD

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>>34387009
The true value of the Yuan is suppressed, in Chinkland you can buy more with it than outside once you convert it to Dollar or Euros.

So when they make ships in China using Chinese labor paid Chinese Yuan installing Chinese equipment at the end the product should, once converted into USD cost half of the American equivalent. If it's only 400 mil $ less than something serious has gone wrong.

>>34386964

Cost might be subjective but in a global market, it's a case of that they can get 4 of these for every Type-45 or nearly 5 of them for a Burke.

Boasting about price being related to wages means nothing when the Chinese working on these have living costs that are 1/10th of the US but they are probably making 1/3rd the wage. Only if these are sold on a market does the cost TRULY matter as a comparison outside the fact that China can produce these things insanely fast and cheap and if they are remotely comparable to US models on ANY measure of capability then being able to produce 4 of them for every Burke while carrying more missiles than a Zumwalt means that even if they are using the shitty tomahawk ripoff then they STILL have a massive overwhelming advantage as a surface fleet in terms of sheer numbers.

>>34386982

I assume the entire thing since they aren't for sale and Chinese equipment tends to undercut US prices by about 60% in general.

But you get what you pay for normally but China has been steaming forward in terms of military procurement and research so they could easily be at that point.

Especially given that Israel is known for selling technology to China and Russia on the sly.

It's why they shouldnt have let them in on the JSF.

>>34387042
You are ignoreing manhours.

>>34387044
Domestically manhour cost does matter when talking about two domestic systems. "cheap" is relative and the US can produce ships just as fast (they are actually still putting out far more tonnage a year). They are not producing four of them for every Burke, they are matching burkes, then you have the zumwalts, the LCS, the Ford, the San antiono, etc.

As for the argument, 400 mill to them is around a billion to the US due to labor costs. You can't just throw a million people on a ship, so it's capped costs to a point.

It's all relative.

Who would win?

>PLAN
or
>all the NATO navies minus the USN.

I can't comment on china's naval building QC, as it is an unknown, but their shakedown QC seems rushed and incomplete.

As far as I know they don't even shock test their ships.... Which is scary

>>34384720
So China is preparing to dominate whole SEA area, and japs/koreans/taiwanese will be BTFO'd hard? Good.

>>34386830
Because US Navy already see that Stealth on Sea is useless.

>>34387264

>Japan
China can't make landings now without using civilian ships. Still land based missiles and long range bombers can hit all of Japan with ease.
>SK
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vINJQlD42A
>Taiwan
One China Policy

This is far better than the new Kirov Cruiser. 112 missiles is far larger than 80 anti ship of Kirov and 112 is also far larger than only 96 of Kirov. The 112 can also be quad packed like the Kirov and the SEAram is far better than the new Tors that only has 16 missiles each.

>>34387380
>Japan
Overpopulated as fuck and extremely dependent on external deliveries of literally everything. Naval blockade + energy grid destruction will throw them on their knees in no time.
>SK
Kim Jong-un.png
>One China Policy
That will surely help them.

>>34384720
This is a cruiser masquerading as a desto. Clearly a west stolen cruiser design, was this a real question ?

>>34384747
Nonsense, The onboard escalator systems are completely reliable.

>Be Britain pre ww1
>rival power Germany builds a Navy as a direct challenge
>proceed to build more ships then them and have an arms race in sea power to boot
>really riles Britain up and was a part of the reason for pre-war Britain and German animosity
>Be modern America
>China build ships rapidly as a direct challenge to American pacific sea power
>proceed to not a give a fuck

Why is this?

>>34387814
Because were kinda stupid, but not that fucking stupid. Keep up the propaganda china, when it comes down a real conflict ur bullshit does not matter

>>34387814

Britain was a tiny island with a globe spanning empire. Americans are quite isolationist by comparison

>>34387835

Not even chinese I just do not get how this direct provocation of America and it's pacific allies isn't being shown as such. It just seems like instead it's just China builds shot and America goes "how cute." Instead of going and saying they need to fuckin stop.

>>34387814
we're building more tonnage per year than China

>>34387814
Because nothing China builds is even a vague threat to us in any conceivable way.

>>34387881
Walk softly and carry a big stick. The one who yells the loudest is usually a bitch. The nail that sticks out gets hammered. You get more shock and awe if i come up and smack u with a stick rather than screaming at you.

>>34387909

>destroyers with 112 VLS launchers aren't a threat
>when China's primary missile focus is AshM and cruise missiles that multi-role as AshM
>no threat

Don't be an idiot.

Even if they just had 112 Tomahawk knock offs from the initial run, it'd be a legitimate threat. If India can produce BrahMos then I'm pretty sure China has better shit in the hangars and warehouses since they are lightyears ahead of the poos in every technological field.

Just the term cruise missile is enough to make people in any military branch shit themselves due to the nature of the weapon. Doubly so if it's designed to be used on military vessels.

>>34387814

China isn't building a fleet as a direct challenge. Nuclear powers don't flex their pecs at one another. It's a worthless gesture.

China is focusing on regional dominance as a challenge to Japan, SK, Taiwan and the SEA powers like Indonesia and Malaysia, while also poking India and Pakistan for shits and giggles.

Americans really need to understand how little China gives a fuck about US naval intervention in the region or they'd not be building land grab air bases in the middle of it since the US already warned them to stop and China told them to sit on it.

>>34387814
Cause the situation is more like WW2 Britain and Germany:
>oh look at the cute little krauts and their toy boats, we're still by far the most powerful navy on earth
>oh look at the PLAN and their new yacht, the USN is still by far the most powerful navy on earth

Not that we honestly couldn't use a bit more ship building stateside.

Poor little Burke.

>>34387968
Actually no, cruises are pretty much standard equipment now for any major power. They dont make anyone shit anything

The Rapetrain will not stop!

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/28/china-should-double-defense-spending-says-expert-at-world-economic-forum-summer-davos-in-dalian.html

>China should double defense spending

>>34388050
Makes sense, tho.

6 carriers, with the future 4 of them being nuclear super carriers, as well as 30 055s (future ones with railguns and lasers), and the masses of 054B FFGs will not pay for themselves.

If China spends 300 billion on defense, this would only be their 2% of GDP.

>>34387968
We've got 64 destroyers. This brings their total to what, 29? Besides, we've got actual aircraft carriers with good aircraft. They've got one shitty tub with shitty aircraft.

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>China plans on building 7 of the block 1 Type 055
>7 is Bungies favourite number
>largest most advanced ship of its class

WE INFINITY NOW

>>34384822
This.

My body was ready when I first saw this. It seemed, for a stretch, that this new Chinese cruiser would be THE thing that spurred the USN to replace the Ticons with a ~20,000 ton Zumwalt derivative with 200+ VLS cells and phased arrays damn near the size of a PAVE PAWS that would make anything at FL25000 and lower it's bitch from halfway across the pacific.

Instead, they give us nothing but a big destroyer with better endurance. A squinty-eyed Flight III Burke with pretensions.

God, I'm miffed right now.

>>34388173
Well, at least it isnt an overly expensive dissapointment

>>34387881

Because it doesn't compare/matter we have 25 cutting edge aircraft carriers;Which helps to deliver our 13,000 fighter jets anywhere in the world in hours... the entire world combined has 8 aircraft carriers with ramps, and 3,000 old(er) model jets.

What does 1 missile ship matter; when a jet that can respond faster, move quicker, be harder to track and depending on the jet seemingly appear in the sky out of nowhere then murder said missleship and crew before they can respond.

Jets > Ships.

>>34388204
The Zumwalt is literally the SSN-21 all over again. They're a trio of commissioned technology demonstrators that will likely each come with tons of specific customizations to test different technologies and mission roles.

Just as with the Virginias, a few years later, we're going to see a "cheaper" Zumwalt derivative hit the USN budget line that's actually a far more capable and versatile ship, and is only cheaper because it's based off of lessons learned with the Zumwalts and built in bigger numbers.

If I was a betting man, I'd put money on this happening.

>>34388173
>Zumwalt
abject failure, try harder

>when you can find no faults other than VLS count
bruh you unwittingly conceded 055 is a superior platform

besides 112>96 Burkes BTFO if you're into that

>>34388285
>abject failure, try harder
Source needed, chang

>>34388285
>zumwalt
>failure

Opinion discarded.

>>34386320
Answer him you chink fuck, where are the 128 VLS cells?

>>34388320
It's ok, Wang Chung over there is just butthurt that the F-35, the Ford, and the Zumwalt's "problems" are all being ironed out at the same time, setting the stage for a mass buildout of the types, the likes of which we haven't seen since the F-14/15/16/18, the Nimitz class, and the Spruance/Perry classes as the Trump presidency progresses.

Really gives me conniptions that even the Chinese state media doesn't know (or doesn't want to confirm) whether it has 112 or 128 VLS.

The CCTV newsroom fags tonight claimed it has 128, but before same guys said 112.

Fuck them. AND THEY ARE STILL TEASING US WITH SCEEENGRABS WHICH HAVE THE INTERESTING PARTS CONVENIENTLY CUT OUT REEEEEEEE.

>>34388332
Chinkfag here. I want to know as well.

But state media holds monopoly on pictures and on-site security is jamming all DJI drones that could take a peek at its aft and midship sections.

>>34388355
He's gonna get super butthurt when our railguns are online...

>>34388319
Something something about no Aegis
Something something about budget radars
Something something about super expensive rounds

And also, ONLY 80 CELLS

>>34388373
Well I'mma go out on a limb here and say it's probably less than 112.

>>34388050
>Double defense spending

And do what with it? The military is already swimming in money, there's a hard limit on what you can do in a single year with the money you have, namely the availability of researchers and engineers and the speed at which projects proceed - dumping 50 billion $ extra on laser research wont get you lasers 100 times faster than now.

Imo lacking an oversea empire and retarded wars like the USA the PLA is already horribly overfunded.

>>34388389
No need to be butthurt, since ours are also coming along the way. Lasers as well. And HPM weapons.

>>34388408
>PRC military

>swimming in money

Well that's wrong.

>>34388403
Not very probable, since a midship section of 32 cells could be squeezed inside the tiny 17m beam of a 052D... A 22m beam 055 can at least hold 48.

>>34388418
Yes ours are coming, the US Navy railguns.

And the Chicoms are well behind the US on pretty much every aspect of naval warfare, new naval gunnery with railguns, stealth DDs, Carrier doctrine, ASW doctrine, submarine forces, the list goes on and on and on.

I like how they act like they can compete, but I would rather see them do something like a Kirov and make a ship based on a new idea than a poor copy of American and Russian designs.

>>34388357
>>34388373
Everyone on the ground is saying 112.

Its basically ogre

>>34388419
140 billion $ for a military of a nation with third world tier personel costs.

They busted a general a few years ago with gold plated statues on the roof of his house.

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>>34388319
>>34388320
>>34388355

>F-35
>Ford
>Zumwalt

seriously, try harder

>>34388452
That and they had to cut infantry in the last 5 years, the military budget and infrastructure of the PLAN and PLA aren't enough to counter the rampant corruption and mismanagement of funds.

If they don't meet that 6% goal I don't want to think about how their military will fair in an economic crash...

>>34388439
Google:

Chinese shaft less drive

Chinese semi submersible arsenal ship

Chinese Railgun/EM launcher research and Prof. Ma Weiming

You were warned, since they will be threads on /k/ in the near future.

>>34388540
>google chicom propaganda I already know about

you're hilarious

>>34388540
>You were warned, since they will be threads on /k/ in the near future.

yes, we know you have to make living somehow

>>34388110
What do these things even shoot?

>>34388540
I was also warned about the super agile J-20. Instead I got a stealthy F-111.

I was warned about 128 VLS. Instead I got 112.

>>34388841

There is a huge railgun that runs almost the entire length of the ship.

>>34388540
>Chinese semi submersible arsenal ship
You mean the thing that will never actually happen because it's fucking retarded?

>>34384720
>Who exactly did they copy this from?
Easy: the Spanish.
That thing looks exactly like an Álvaro de Bazán class frigate.

>>34384720
Japan/Korea/Spain/Australia/Singapore/Taiwan all use "domesticated" copies of the Arleigh Burke.

>>34386274
The first flight of ships usually have fewer VLS. The Arleigh Burke Flight I has about 30% fewer VLS than the Flight IIA

So you might get your 128 soon enough.

>>34386320
I do find this funny

I never understood why copying another country's designs is considered an insult. It's an arms race not an interpretive dance competition, if you can copy your enemy's design and have it be just as effective for half the cost then that is a great strategy.

>>34386385
Dude, fucking gooks on twitter who can't even get within a mile of the ship don't "know" the facts.

Holy fuck the americans are getting more and more butthurt by the day it's hilarious

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>>34386727
>>34386689
High tech manufacturing has risen every year as a share of their manufacturing.

>>34387235
Source?

Each Type 52 took 2-3 years from launch to commission. Same for Liaoning and the newest submarines.
That's average.

Remember that Reagan was commisioned in less than 2 years.

>>34386332
>implying PLAN sonar is good

kek

>>34387881
How is building a navy a "provocation" when Japan+Korea+Taiwan have more tonnage than China?

The USA tonnage is 3x as much.

>>34390401
Because they're specifically building this to intimidate their regional neighbors.

>>34390416

Kek at the butt hurt burger whose hegemony is ending. Soon it will be middle aged chinks getting his dick sucked by a tranny in Bangkok

>>34388447
Source?

That's right. Gossip on weibo.

>>34388843
You don't have any confirmation of 112, so kindly fuck off with your "facts".

>>34390416
And what are Japan/Korea/Taiwan doing building an allied navy bigger than China's?

What about the USA which has put supercarriers a few miles from China's coast?

The Chinese have 29 destroyers. We have 66 alone. Our Asian allies have 32 together. I'd build even faster if I was China.

>>34390446
>implying you want the Chicoms to run asia, ever

>>34390506
Does that matter to Vietnam? Or India? Or any country in the region that doesn't have a defense treaty with the US?

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This picture appears to show 8x8

Do we have pictures of the aft?
SCMP says that the ship uses the same VLS system with 64 on the bow and aft.

SCMP is usually really accurate on China's military. More accurate than Mainland sources.
They got the 52D and 001A right a year before they were launched.

I'm not sure why the chinamen would take out a row in the aft. Seems unecessary and against all the prior news releases.

>>34390534
Ummm yes it does actually. That is why
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/6c82d116-5243-11e7-bfb8-997009366969
>USA lowers tempo in South China Sea

The US isn't bothered by China building a navy because China isn't even matching the US new tonnage. China has fewer destroyers than Japan for heaven's sake.

Stop freaking out over the second biggest economy wanting a bigger navy than Japan's.

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>>34390605
This picture*

SCMP always gets China's military right. They have good contacts in the PLA, and I'll trust them over a random chink twitter post.

The DoD classifies this ship as Cruiser and gave it the NATO reporting name "Renhai".

>>34388050
I heard they are aiming for 3% defense spending.

This is quite realistic. Not only the navy is expanding, but also China's space projects, which are also funded by the defense spending.

>>34384720
Fun fact, today is he 177th anniversary of the beginning of the Opium War against China, back in 1840.

China never forgets.
China never forgives.

>>34390363
Source is the fact that not a single shock test has been rumored, seen, or documented.

It's kind of hard to hide too.

>>34384720
>weighs the same as a fucking tico
>call it a destroyer
>biggest ever!!!!!
>less vls than aforementioned tico

>>34390272
Yeah. But as long as you rely on others to do your own research, you'll always be a step behind. Doubly so if the government truly is significantly ahead of where they appear to be to the public.

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>>34384720
1 - they very likely cut a lot of corners

2 - this reeks of one of those big showy efforts that chinks put out every now and again where they make some one "uber super amazing" thing that never makes it past a single unit, or if they are lucky one production run

50 cent party pls go

>>34386927
>the quality of the steel that the MAJOR refineries make in China happens to be as good as the US
Ha no, they can make mild steels just fine, but who can't? They can't into particle metallurgy and they even control their high alloy steel processes well enough to deliver a product that heat treats consistently.

>>34387042
Please don't talk about shit you don't understand.

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>>34384822
Even with 128 cells a Ticonderoga would still outgun it, and that is assuming China has an ESSM/CAMM equivalent.

>>34386395
>>34386445
What fucking idiots have been spreading the idea that Burkes no longer have CIWS?

Every Burke has either 2 Phalanx, 1 Phalanx and 1 SeaRAM, or 1 Phalanx and an empty platform ready for a Phalanx/SeaRAM to be bolted in place.

>>34390849
Chinks sailing up the thame when?

>>34390243
Flight I Burkes have 90 VLS and 8 Harpoons in box launchers.
Flight IIA Burkes have 96 VLS.

>>34387578
got me.

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>>34388399
>Something something about no Aegis

Yeah, it has TSCEI instead.

>Something something about budget radars

>SPY-3
>budget radar

>Something something about super expensive rounds

LRLAP are expensive, Excalibur are not. HVP are incredibly cheap for what they can do.

>And also, ONLY 80 CELLS

1 for 4, not bad.

>>34386237
The Yamato was a fine ship, she just had a poor navy behind her. Granted her FCS was poor, but it was about as good as the Japanese could get at the time. Can't fault her for it, just because Americans' tech was better.

>>34386233
L-band?

It's retarded long range and has a wavelength of roughly one meter.

It's also capable of seeing a B-2 bomber, because it's signal bypasses the airframes stealth features (the skin shaping and materials) and gets bounced off the internal wing spar.

However, being such a huge wavelength makes it useless as a weapons targeting radar.. it kind of just says "something is over there, better check it out", it's a early warning radar.

>>34391968
Actually, that's wrong.

The B2 has excellent long wave resistance due to having no vertical surfaces for the LW radar to hit. LW loves things like rudders and canards and other surfaces that goes off the plane into vertical.

>>34391968
>I have no idea what I am talking about

>>34386489
Are the empty cargo ships there to provide security screens?

>>34391798
>guns that can't hit anything
>navy that can't fuel anything
>admirals that can't admiral
>2nd best battleship explodes in port randomly.
Welp

>>34392009
They're in place to ram American destroyers.

>>34387578
Lifts too.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=s9mUVpCSGl4

>>34387225
So three full featured carriers vs two practice carriers

NATO (minus USN) wins barring some freak accident.

>>34387890
*kinda

Overall tonnage, yes.

"New Navy buildup" tonnage, not so much.

>>34392613

WTF does that mean.

>>34392040
>guns that can't hit anything
Was comparable with its peers, just outclassed by a better ship.

>navy that can't fuel anything
If you can't afford gas for your Mustang does that make it a shitty car?

>admirals that can't admiral
They were overly rigid to previous Mahanian doctrine, but they had excellent success early in the war. They made mistakes of course, but even the best of tacticians would have been crushed by America eventually.

>2nd best battleship explodes in port randomly.
???

USS Coronado breaks down, must mean the Ford class is a pile of shit.

>>34390272
Cargo Cult Engineering isn't a good thing.

>>34393128
>If you can't afford gas for your Mustang does that make it a shitty car?

.50

>>34392893
China = new ships for new / bigger fleets, as in going from zero to two carriers in 10 years. Zero to ??? Type-055 ships (which didn't have a prior equivalent). Etcetera.

USA = building ships to REPLACE the old.
Ford Class are built at a rate that one Ford replaces a Nimitz (roughly) so that the USN will remain at the 11 carriers forever-ish.
Same with most of the other categories / ship classes.
The USN production rate is roughly 1:1 (or would have been if it wasn't for cuts made under Obama), the USN is that damn big.

Once China figures out what it wants it's future Navy to look like, they'll ramp up modern design ship production to replace the old tin cans currently afloat besides just adding new stuff alongside.

>>34393396
It will still be half a century, litterally, before China catches up, and then the US will still have a fuck huge reserve fleet.

Also, China is losing a ton of woefully inadequate frigates, subchasers, and gunboats and whatnot. The bulk of the PLAN is still shit tier craft.

>>34393396
>HAHA look at how fast mighty China is building up its fleet!
>America is building more while just going at a replenishment pace.
>W-WELL CHINA WILL BUILD FASTER IN THE FUTURE!!!!

It is almost cute.

>>34391170
You're one of those tards that think we had F-22s in the 50s aren't you

>>34393475
Nah, but we did have operational stealth in the very early 80s.

The US has a long and storied history of black aviation projects. We are actually well overdue for a reveal.

>>34393128
Mutsu

ITT americucks praying for 055:

>shit quality
meanwhile he buys more products made in china than america

>compares evolved product based on tested technology with failed 32>3>1>0 nogunz titanic redub
who seriously thinks they will actually make THREE zumwalts? Elmo turning over in his grave with all the talk about muh flight III Burke

>compares evolved product based on tested technology with 30+ year old design with last gen PESA radar, nostealth Fitzgeralds(too soon?)
Burkes/Ticos/Atago/KD are not bad (agianst Iranian Airbus, TWA 800...) but long in the tooth

>>34393781
>REEEEEEE STOP MAKING FUN OF CHINA!!!

>>34387578
>captain Chan goes to sit in his comfy chair to bark orders from
>chair breaks and penetrates his asshole like its his first time in the prison showers
China quarratee

>>34384720
>Copy
>Is actually better than the original

Funny Americans.

I don't understand all the hurr durr le cheap Chinese quality meme. They're not gonna use the shit steel they use for knock off knives and shit, the cheap price comes from their state influence in the companies involves.

>>34384767
No it doesn't look like a Burke at all

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Finally a spotter photo.

GET HYPE

https://twitter.com/xinfengcao/status/880358762346762240

>Pop3: PLAN's EM railgun is almost done.

>>34390645
>Japanese "destroyers"
Half of them are outgunned by the Type 054A frigate for heaven's sake.

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>>34395259
Looks like the San Antonio Class,

Here is the USS San Antonio/

Wake me up when China has more than 60 destroyers and cruisers. Are they planning to become a """world""" naval power in the SCS only? Those ships are nice but not enough of them to threaten USA outside of their pond.

>>34395264
For the 055A? Maybe the 2nd batch of 4 will have railguns.

>>34395399
The PLAN plans to introduce 30 055s of all variants, with prospects of more.
Additionally, there will also be two dozen of smaller 052Ds and about 60 frigates.

>>34395377

Thanks to stealth shaping, pretty much all warships look the same now.

>>34395409
>The PLAN plans to introduce 30 055s of all variants, with prospects of more.
I'll believe it when I see it.

>60 frigates
The Type 054A aren't even relevant in the high sea except for littoral missions that the Chinese have used around the world. Outgunned and outradared.

>>34386332
I think the likelihood of that thing ever detecting any US submarine is extremely low. Chinese sonar is notoriously bad.

>>34395492
Four 055 were laid down almost simultaneously. This tells you of China's intentions. The times over when they only launched one or two and tested them for years before moving on.

And the 054A and upcoming B are ASW assets. Each of them carries ASROC, help, VDS and TASS, as well as anti torpedo towed decoys.
They aren't meant to go head on against Burkes, but to hunt subs and smash smaller and weaker navies in Asia.

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>>34395514
And you sure have insider knowledge here, right?

Chinese sonar systems are pretty good these days.

>>34395529
And you sure have insider knowledge here, right?

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>>34395518
>help
*Helo

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>>34395534
I have.

>>34395518
>Four 055 were laid down almost simultaneously. This tells you of China's intentions. The times over when they only launched one or two and tested them for years before moving on.
Just a promise then. Nothing close to 60 destroyers or cruisers. Wake me up then.

>They aren't meant to go head on against Burkes, but to hunt subs and smash smaller and weaker navies in Asia.
They are not meant to hunt subs. Their missions so far is to defend sea lanes and carriers. They aren't hunting any subs in the high sea. So the Type 054A are worthless for power projection.

>>34395264
Fuck yes.

But I guess they will first test it on the Bi Sheng test ship for some years.

It will probably be operational onboard a warship about the same time the USN introduces them.

>>34395551
054As are ASW escorts. The PLAN said so.

>>34395582
gullible idiot

>>34393781
>meanwhile he buys more products made in china than america

What a dumb comparison.

>>34384720
So, since 2003, 13 years ago, the Chinese Navy has grown its modern combtants by:

26 x Guided missile destoyers, averaging two per year through that whole period.
26 x Guided missile frigates, averaaging two per year during that whole period.
34 x Light frigates, averaging 8.5 of those over the last four year.
i think thats a lot

>>34396844
while usa has build:
some burkes 25 year old design very expensive and outdated
lcs incredebly expensive and usless
ford carrier very troubled and expensive

>>34384747
Cheap because of labor costs, obviously using shittier metals, stealing r and d costs. honestly it's probably worse but for the cost savings worth it. War isn't about having the most shiny toys.

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This is what all future warships of tier one nations will look like.

Covered in sensors
Hangar and elevator for helos
Missiles motherfucker, missiles everywhere
Railgun

>>34396891
Way too few missiles
Needs the entire aft covered with VLS tubes or we'll never be able to glass small Middle-Eastern countries with a single destroyer.

>>34396923
With VLS on everything those days a battle group can fire more missiles than ever.

The most important part here is to have the edge in the sensor game.
And the USA is running into the limits of the Burke class. Too old and too small, while China has a solid base for the next 20 years now.

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>>34396923

>>34396853
>>34396844
You're really obvious, chinky cent.

>>34396880
Actually it is. Quantity > Quality in nation vs. nation total war.

>>34397214
>Quantity > Quality in nation vs nation total war

Yeah, tell that to the Iraqis that got their tanks blown the fuck by a couple of Abrams

>>34386598
Because VLS can't generally be reloaded underway.
Generally being the operative word.

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>>34391968
>L Band
>1 meter
>"Bypass stealth features"
>Huge wavelength
>Early warning radar
What the fuck am I reading

>>34391798
>You can't fault a ship for having outdated technology
Yes, yes you can.

>>34392371
You're fucking joking, right?

>>34390972
That is not a source you nigger.

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wtf i love china now.

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The Type 055 VLS capability:

YJ-18A supersonic anti ship missile launch.

Hot launch.

>>34398840

>they are detonating bombs in open water in secret

(You)

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>>34399385
HQ-26 super long range SAM launch (500km+)

Cold launch.


All from the same VLS.

>>34399262
What is this memery?

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B - Advanced ECM active jammers.

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>>34399418
Chinks are just happy that China has a cruiser again - after 80+ years.

Bote-girl comic related.

>>34395547
>Chinese propaganda outlet
>insider knowledge

kek

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>>34399419
A - OTH surface wave AESA array.

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X band MFR AESA and additional ECM/EW plates on the integrated mast

>>34399440
>A - OTH surface wave AESA array.

Most likely more EWAR assets. Would be a pitiful aesa at that size.

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>>34399461
Could be... On the other hand, the MIneral-ME it would replace wasnt that large either.

OTH works quite differently from my understanding.

>>34386332
This picture makes that sonar look like an elderly mans low hanging testicles

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>>34399525
ur not the first one.

but its a girl (male)

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>>34399440
>>34399457
Maybe even GaN AESA...

>>34399419
Super advanced.

>>34399608

GaN is mostly a meme.

Hell, F-22's GaA radar is currently the most long range fighter radar in existence, and it hails from the 90s.

>>34399652
Depends on power source as well.

The F-22 is powered by two F-119 that gives it plenty of power.

Some Eurocuck Frigate with GaN AESA, but powered by some shitty Pielstick Diesel, will be worse than a LM250000 gas-engine powered destroyer with old PESA.

>>34399385
>>34399402
>both hot and cold launch from the same vls cell

Someone will believe this.

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>>34399706
It's the power of the large caliber universal launch system.

No seperate exhaust (as the Mk41 copy below), but every cell contains a missile container that has its own exhaust in a CCL fashion.

This enables it to launch both cold and hot launched missiles, as well as large sized munitions up to 9 meters in length and 850mm in diameter.

>>34399670

>the engines power the radar on destroyers

(You)

>>34399736
It does.

Which is why IEPS is such a big deal.

>>34399742
>It does.

No anon, thats what the Allison Generators are for.

>IPS

Is for redundancy. IPS ships still have engines and generators.

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>>34399731
CCL concept: Each hot launch missile's container is in another container that functions as exhaust for the gas.

>>34399766
Seems like a waste of space.

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>>34399766
This has the advantage of far superior firing speed, as the central shared exhaust of each VLS block isnt needed, which would limit the fire-rate of each missile in that block. When each cell has its own exhaust, there is no restriction in fire-rate anymore.


...While Cold-Launched munitions do not require such an arrangement and can take advantage of the full size of the cell.

>>34399804
>This has the advantage of far superior firing speed, as the central shared exhaust of each VLS block isnt needed, which would limit the fire-rate of each missile in that block.

But the physical missile coming out of the block will limit the fire rate.

Each block is small enough to where the fire rate is not actually limited.

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>>34399804
Cold launch of that super large 9m missile.

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>>34399828
Each block on the Mk-41 has 8 missiles. Each of those 8 must wait a few seconds before the shared exhaust is cleared before the next one can be launched.

The Chinese solution would allow all 8 to fire shortly after another, with only a single second for clearance.

Universal CCL-VLS onboard the 052D related.

>>34399828
>Each block is small enough to where the fire rate is not actually limited.

*by exhaust but by the psychical missile clearing the cell.

clearing that up.

>>34399862
>Each of those 8 must wait a few seconds before the shared exhaust is cleared before the next one can be launched.

Its waiting anyways for the missile (and its plume) to clear the ship out of that block.

>>34399862
>Each of those 8 must wait a few seconds before the shared exhaust is cleared

Exhaust is cleared as soon as the booster psychically exits the cell, its pushed out by the rocket itself.

This is a non issue. Launching into the plume of another missile is. Chinese wont do this.

>>34399880
that would be only a fraction of a second at most, as hot launch gives each missile very high initial velocity.

>>34399731
Placing the hot launch exhaust in the same 850mm cell as the missile greatly constrains the potential size of hot launched missiles.

No quadpacked ESSM/CAMM equivalent will fit.

>>34399905
>as hot launch gives each missile very high initial velocity.

All launches has a rocket shitting out super hot gases and fire.

You dont want missile to missile contact. Same reason why MLRS does not launch their missiles from left to right.

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>>34399908
quad-packed ESSM all-together only need like 600mm.

850mm diameter means that not only the quad-packed cell can have their own exhaust, but also can be larger and pack up to 8 missiles.

>>34399908
>No quadpacked ESSM/CAMM equivalent will fit.

Good point

>>34399957
It's not, though.

Even with CCL, 850mm diameter will still mean that the quad or eight-packed missile in one cell still has enough clearance for an exhaust. The cell is simply larger overall.

>>34399955
>850mm diameter

For cold launch missiles, not hot launch.

Something is not adding up.

>>34399983
>850mm diameter

For cold launch. Hot launches diameter is constrained.

The VLS cell is not twice as big.

>>34399955

>pic does not show exhaust system

DOUBT

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>>34399985
They have cold launch quad-packed missiles as well, even with clearance between them. Pic related.

>>34400008
If you could read the text, they specifically say that it is a CCL system with exhaust ports surrounding the 4-8 missile pack container.

>>34400020
>, they specifically say that it is a CCL system with exhaust ports surrounding the 4-8 missile

They can say all they want, the picture with 8 missiles clearly lacks it.

>>34399955
>ESSM need 300mm per missile
>thus you can get 3 missile wide plus exhaust systems in 850mm

Full retard.

>>34400020
>They have cold launch quad-packed missiles as well

Im sure they do, as would be logical.

But that brings into cold launch limitations with short range engagements.

>>34400052
?
All you need is a 600mm box. Then wrap another box with 850mm diameter around it and you have 25cm of exhaust ports all around the centre box.

>>34391968
One garlic clove has been deposited into your glorious peoples pot!

How can you be this fucking retarded and still get paid Ping Pong?

>>34399997
Its ~ 1/8 bigger, but somehow will fit twice as many missiles AND an exhaust system.

>>34400080

Going by the diagram the exhaust ports take up far more than 25cm, and this is NOT going into the full retard 8 missiles

>>34400080
>All you need is a 600mm box.

[citation needed]

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>>34400052
>>34400125
Not that hard to understand, guys...

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>>34400143
Would be a solution.

When the 052D first came out and the specs for the GJB 5860-2006 VLS was first released, people made this graph.

The idea behind is that the quad-packed chink-ESSMs are each in their own CCL containers, with each of those quad-packed missiles having an exhaust lid individually in the fashion of that graphic:
>>34399766

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>>34400020
>FM-3000

The PLAN seems to have chosen the DK-10/PL-12 active radar BVRAAM derivate for quad-packing.

Pic related. It will get a booster as well in addition to its thicc, fuel-filled body.

Already should be better than the ESSM, since it is active radar.

>>34400209
>are each in their own CCL containers,
Based on the CCL diagram the exhaust took up half the total area. Might be possible.

Still, 8 missiles is total BS.

>>34400344
8 missile is possible with Tor-M1 styled codl launch short range SAM.

>>34386367
>yfw pirates on rafts sink this with rpg's

>>34400143
Where are your numbers coming from.

>>34400362
That's nice but they are not a ESSM/CAMM equivalent.

>>34387044
>It's why they shouldnt have let them in on the JSF.

Plus all the white genocide and stuff.

>>34400362
Then it's a CIWS and not really anaglous.

>>34391749
>>34391737
So this is saying America should accept it's #2 spot and keep up the "trade deals" that destroy it's economy?

For what purpose?
>m-muh "multi-civilizational world"

LOL

>>34399457
>>34399440
>>34399419
i-is that a cardboard mock-up of a ship?

>>34393443
>China is losing a ton of woefully inadequate frigates, subchasers, and gunboats and whatnot. The bulk of the PLAN is still shit tier craft.
you have no fucking clue what you're talking about. Look at the PLAN surface combatant tonnage from 1990 to now.

How does someone have such pronounced opinions yet have so little clue?

Must be /k/

>>34399433
>No bulge
Wtf

>>34400789
>Look at the PLAN surface combatant tonnage from 1990 to now.

Look how much of that tonnage is useful against a peer opponent.

Do you need me to start naming entire classes of obsolete ships?

>>34400643
That what Trump voters believe

>>34402109
Show that the bulk of the Chinese Navy is obsolete.

>>34384720
>t. paid 10 cent army gook shill

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>>34400083

>>34402109
Are you fucking illiterate?

>>34387890

carriers really throw it out of proportion though.

>>34397192
One day we will perfect robot waifu technology.

>>34402109
>Peer opponent
China doesn't really have a peer. They could curbstomp everyone in Asia but would lose badly to mainland US, they're not really equal with anyone

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>>34386895
>Pic related is what you would see on a Burke. THIS IS NOT A render, it was a test ship
Jesus christ, bring back the christmas tree

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>>34394665
>breaks and penetrates
you mean explodes. so tell me /k/. is the highly compressed cylinder that adjusts your seats height from china? tell me your chairs all american made, right?

huh. did you just hear a creaking noise

>>34392040

Took a lot to kill Musashi. But it proves the point that air power using bombs and torpoedos was superior to large guns.

>>34384747
Like what, a collision with a container ship?

>>34400651
It's just too advanced and sleek for you.

Go back to your rusting Burkes and their horrifying RCS enhancing Christmas trees full of cables and TV-dishes.

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YJ-18A launched from universal VLS of a 052D.

That thing is a EW monster.

>>34384720
It's cunts like you mate.

>>34399433
Light Cruisers Ning Hai and Ping Hai will be proud and rest in peace now.

So when will the USA design a new ship type? Are they really trying to make the Burke class running for the next 30 years?

>>34404110
cant scare me. my chair has a metal plate on the bottom to prevent that.

>>34405895
Murrica will suspend the Burke 3 now and go back to the drawing board for a Burke 4, which is pretty much a copy of the 055, including it's conformal volume search radars, integrated mast and large caliber universal cells.

And it will fail, because of usual MIC fuckery and using an inherently obsolete platform.

Calling it now.

>>34405935
>copy of the 055
>including it's conformal volume search radars, integrated mast and large caliber universal cells.
None of those things were created first by China.

>>34405895
>all Burkes are the same

>2017
>J-20
>Type 055
>new light tank trials

that pace is stunning.

>>34406246
>in development for years
>stunning pace

?

>>34406246
>Railgun soon
>Ultra Long Range Air Defense Missile soon
>Military Exoskeletals soon
>Submersible Arsneal Ship under construction
>095 4th gen nuclear submarine soon

China will be unstoppable.

>>34407595
You miss spelled unstoppabre.