What was the deal with these shithole guns? assuming you made

>>34380484
>Why did it have a bayonet that was to be attached at all times
Wrong.
>They even lack accuracy hardcore when compared to their bolt action counterparts.
Que?

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>>34380578
>wrong
Pic related

>que
Find a stock wartime mosin that doesn't shoot 6+ moa with surplus ammunition.

>>34380610
>old guns that have been shot a lot over the last hundred years, wearing down the bore aren't super accurate
great detective work

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>>34380484

>hella

>>34380629
Yet you can still find k98's from world war 1 that shoot on par with modern bolt actions.

>>34380484
Lets not forget rimmed cases and a non double stacked mag. The damn thing was obsolete by the time it came out.

>>34380484
Which was the best ("best") of the lot? Mauser, Enfield, or Springfield?

>>34380696
Y1903/14 is objectively the best military bolt action ever

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>>34380610
>Find a stock wartime mosin that doesn't shoot 6+ moa with surplus ammunition
Right here. And this is my worst Mosin by far.

>They have bayonets attached. That must mean they are ALWAYS SUPPOSED TO BE ATTACHED!
No.

>>34380661
That were war trophies or brought over in the 20's and 30's vs rifles that were used from their manufacture date in the late 1800s -the 1950s until the 1970s to the 1990s when they were brought over here.

>>34380696
Mas 36.
>>34380715
Nope. Smoothest certainly but it's not the best.
>>34380678
Please name a superior rifle from 1891.

>>34380696
This wasn't an argument of best. It was an argument as to what does the mosin do better than the others.

Obviously each one had something it did better than the others, but the mosin is outclassed in every regard by something else.

>>34380730
The Carcano is better than the mosin

>>34380737
Hahaha that's funny.

Wrong, but funny.

>>34380730
>name a better rifle from 1891
The Argentine Mauser and the Carcano are both better

>>34380484
Relatively easy and cheap to manufacture and relatively for peasant soldiers to learn to operate and keep clean.

Mosins can be as accurate as other bolt actions.

The bayonet thing isn't really true and where it was it was mostly due to outmoded ways of thinking.

The bent bolt handle is just for more leverage on the bolt and sometimes for cavalry use. Not really needed. Look at all the wonderful (according to you) mausers that have straight bolt handles.

>>34380751
Oh? And how is that?

>>34380610
You genuinely believe that, during WW2, the Soviets chose to use a 6+ moa rifle as their designated sniper rifle? Nigga...

>>34380788
They're both lighter despite being the same size as the Mosin. The Mauser is in a way better rimless cartridge. It also has a way better charging system. The Carcano is simpler than the Mosin and has a flatter shooting lighter rimless round. The Mauser is a better rifle than the Mosin. And the Carcano is a better military rifle than the mosin

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>>34380484
>straight bolt
All about being used to. Early Mauser also had straight bolt. Curved reduces distance from trigger to bolt

>bayonet is always attached
That is true, but that's cos ww1 doctrine. And sheaths for the bayonet didn't exist
Here's what you're supposed to do for marching. Only non matching bayonets are hard to remove and put on. Each bayonet was hand fit to its rifle.

>accuracy
Mosins have as much inherent accuracy as a Mauser. The Lee is genuinely less accurate inherently cos rear locking lugs. Honestly with good ammo I can't tell the difference between my 1943 Lee and my 1938 mosin.

Everything bad can be jotted down to being a pre ww1 design, ww1 doctrine and German invasion and lower quality of arms. Which can be said for most ww2 standard issue arms.

I don't even like the mosin desu. It's just average. It's like the Lada of guns. Except more prolific. Actually maybe it's the first generation Toyota corolla of guns. But it's a ok gun. Not bad at all, and for less than 200 dollars, it's the best price to performance you're gonna get.

>>34380751
>cock-on-close mauser
>better than anything

Come on now, I have a 93 mauser, and that cock-on-close i bullshit. You can't deny it.

>>34380858
>Each bayonet was hand fit to its rifle.
Not sure how true that is. Mine still had to be pryed of. I did a little dremeling to make it easier. Now I can do it without tools.

>>34380661
K98s weren't in WW1 ya dingus

>>34380996
G98's. Excuse the fuck out of me.

>>34380858
>muh pre ww1 design
What do you think the 98 in K98 stands for?

>>34380960
It's true as far as I know. I could be wrong, I wasn't born that far back.

Bayonets are normally very tight fitting on the mosin, and considering most nuggets where refurbished. Yours may be a force matched and as such won't fit like new.

Just my 2 cents rounded down.

>>34381026
>holds 5 rounds
>action equally strong
>equally reliable
>equally accurate
>equal shit sight
In practical terms the Mauser may be marginally better, but on paper it's still a obsolete ww1 design. Of course I'm comparing ww2. 1898 design was obviously better than the 1891 design.

>>34381091
The only thing the mosin has over the Mauser is iroicly the sights. The 98 sights are horrible. But even then, the peep on the Springfield is better.

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>>34381151
I personally prefer the Lee Enfield climbing, sights. But I don't have as much experience with a Springfield only fired 1.

I'd say that the best bolt action rifle of ww2 was the Lee. It was accurate enough (again inherently less accurate cos muh rear locking lugs), reliable enough, held 10 WHOLE ROUNDS WOW, and has one of the best sights on old milsurp guns, also it's undoubtedly the fastest theoretically cycling bolt gun. Because the bolt is designed so that the middle finger fires the fun while the index and thumb remain on the bolt at all times.

But again overall, if I was a soldier and somehow was given a choice of what rifle I wanna carry, I would want a garand or svt or m1 carbine or whatever else semi or full auto, more than 5 rounds and so on.

>>34380915
93 mauser owner here, cock on close is sex.

>>34380696
Type38 and or the p14/17

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Does anyone have a pic of what good vs bad rifling looks like? I bought this mosin 5 or 6 years ago, and never shot it. Looks like it has some light pitting in the barrel as well. How fucked is it?

>>34380484
>have magazine as long as lee-enfield
>only holds 5 rounds

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Shut fuck up, Mosin is good rifle

>>34380996
actually they were. K98a

>>34381610
Take pic down the bore. It's hard to do admittedly but otherwise can't help.

It's really hard to get a bore pic.

It helps if you have a Smol endoscopic camera. Here's a pos I took lemme find my endoscopic camera and see if I can do better.

>>34380484
>What was the deal with these guns?
Basic bitch models used to be $100 at Big 5, and there were a lot of variations and different factories and long production runs so collectors have stuff to wank over. Perfect for bubba, perfect for poorfags, perfect for collectors.

>>34381151
Peep sight on the M1917 is better still. The 1903A3 lacks ears on the front sight, while the ears on the 1917 make it extremely easy to perfectly center the front sight post in the aperture.

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>>34380484
>They even lack accuracy hardcore when compared to their bolt action counterparts.

You can rebarrel them with any .308 diameter bore barrel.

The Mosin M91 was a perfectly modern rifle when developed in 1891. Yeah, by WWII they were getting a bit dated but really not anymore than a Lee-Enfield or a Kar98k. Their advantages over the Mosin were marginal.

>>34380716
>my worst mosin by far
>owning more than one of the same gun

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>>34380801
Theres a reason they lost

>>34380484

Moзин - хopoшaя винтoвкa

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>>34383961
They aren't the same gun. They're just all Mosins. There's more than just the 91/30 bud.

>>34380716

It was actually a rule in the Tsarist army that bayonets had to be fixed at all times.

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>>34384150
What if they weren't broken?

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>>34383968
Nigga what...

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>>34383176
That's about the best I could do.

>>34386117
The bore looks pretty good. Take a bullet and put it down the muzzle to check the wear on the crown, if it swallows the entire bullet down to the case neck the crown is bad

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>>34386166
Looks like I should be all set then. Thanks, anon.

>>34380484
Probably bait, but looks tasty.
>What was the deal with these shithole guns?
They were easy and cheap to produce for a country that was poor as fuck and didn't have much of an industrial base.

>arisaka, k98, and an 03 Springfield
Way to compare them to a rifle 7-15 years newer in design. There was some much development in technology and science in the 1890's shit was obsolete a year after it was invented (similar to computers in the mid to late 90s). Smokeless powder was only around for 5 years when the Mosin was adopted, you are asking for things that were just not thought of yet or under patent and ridiculously expensive.

Learn some context before you start going off on something. Every gun has a history and reasons it was adopted. There really are very few objectively poor decisions when a country picks a firearm (looking at you Ross mk3 and Gew88).

>>34386390
The only problem with the Ross is that they didn't do proper trials where the issues (That occur in nearly EVERY rifle) would have been founded. Had they stuck it out in WW1 (and made it a shirt rifle) it's have been a world beater.

>>34386470
I actually own a couple Ross Rifles. I love them. But as you said, it was rushed into service and wasn't properly vetted and that is my reason to be against it. I have issues on how it was adopted, and objectively most would too.

My reason for the Gew 88 is that it was designed by a commission that excluded the guy they took most of the rifle from. Had they included him, the rifle may have turned out much better.

I am not saying the guns themselves are bad, I mean that the countries that adopted them could have done much better.

>>34386532
Oh well yeah, the adoption process for both was piss poor. But so was the one for the Lee Enfield. That was one of the most convoluted and mismanaged adoption processes I've ever heard of. That a good rifle came from it is a struck of divine luck.

>>34386552
Hell, they were looking to replace the Lee Enfield as well. If WW1 was a few years later, it may be remembered as a failure as well.

>>34380960
How did you get yours to fit nicely? I have to get a hammer or something to get mine on let alone getting it off so.

>>34380678
>rimmed cases obsolete
I think i heard somewhere about the PKM being the best GPMG ever.

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>>34380836
Wow, so many thing pulled out of your ass, you really must have a very distended asshole.

>>34386726
>I think i heard somewhere about the PKM being the best GPMG ever.
Probably some Commie stooge shortly before he was ripped apart by a burst of 7.62NATO from an FN MAG.

>>34386705
If you're around tonight I'll try to take a few pics. All you need is a Dremel and a sanding bit.

Long and short is you take down the lip on the inside of the bayonet and just keep testing and sanding as needed. Be sure to wash away the metal powder before you put it on. Makes it easier.

>>34386705
600 grit sand paper on a dowel and some 1 micron diamond paste on a 12ga cotton brush.

>>34380484
You're not allowed to have guns in the Bay, are you?

>>34380610
Nine is '43, ex sniper, izzy and shoots 2.5 so suck it.

>>34387788
Mine** fuck

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>>34383968

>>34387684
Thanks. I'll be sure to check the thread a bit more often now

>>34389696
I should be home in he next hour or so.

>>34390040
Ok

>>34387768
Why would I keep my guns in the bay? They'll get all rusty from the salt water!

>>34380578
Locking lugs that are in the horizontal position when locked are inferior to locking lugs that are in the vertical position when locked.

>>34380771
They aren't any cheaper to manufacture than other bolt action designs, they aren't any easier to operate than other bolt action designs, the horizontal in the locked position locking lugs of the Mosin are inferior to those that are vertical in the locked position.

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>>34390366
Kinda hard to tell, but there are 2 lips inside the bayonet. You have to grind those off almost completely. There's one other spot it helps for when you twist it on. I'll take a pick of that in a second.

>>34390614
How does a 90 degree difference in locking mean anything??

>>34391305
It can affect the way recoil and other forces contribute to accuracy and lock up. However the difference is so miniscule it's not even worthy of note in a general issue infantry rifle. For example, it doesn't prevent the Lee Enfield No4 from being just as accurate as the Mauser 98.

>>34391339
The lee has lugs at the back of the action

>>34391285
I'll look at it when I get back home so yea, but thank you.

>>34391919
And they're horizontal. Which should make accuracy potential much lower. But it doesn't. Because that is inconsequential.

>>34392121
I would think them being in a completely different location would have more of an effect than a simple change in angles.

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>>34380661

>ww1 k98's

Pls tell me this is b8

>>34393846 (You)

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>>34393846

>>34387788
My 120 year old Carcano that was last refurbed before WW1 shoots better than that

>>34392681
And you'd be correct. But in practice none of it matters at all because they're general issue infantry rifles. They all have roughly the same accuracy standards and potential.

The random 91/30 bayonet I bought on Amazon fits my 1931 Tula with no rattle but it's super easy to get on and off.