USA VS. NAZI GERMANY WW2 ERA

>>34380105
America still wins. It has a much larger industrial base, population, and navy.

So the "muh soviets won WWII" meme is also ignoring the fact that Soviet soldiers were fed with American rations transported using American made trucks.

America had superior logistics and industrial capacity in 1939. The Louisiana Maneuvers modernized the US Army, and even if the Krauts got troops ashore, the Rocky Mountains and Appalachians are utterly impassable.

>>34380105
US wins.

Vastly higher industrial power, man power, and has the ability to hit the German homeland while the Germans don't.

>>34380105
US stomps if they are using 1945 tech. Literally could win with only suicide jeeps. The production capacity alone would be an absurd advantage. The US invented a new bullet and produced 6 million rifles in and kept them fed just for keks. Also assuming they share a border all that crazy ship production can be turned into arty and tanks. forget nukes It would be an insane stomp at 1945 tech.

its gotta be 1941 so the krauts have a chance earlier on

>have access to technological advances up to 1945.

What part of 1945? I ask because nukes change everything. Also because this assumes that Amerishits have all the industrial might on their side, but Nazis have superior submarine tech and tactics.

However, an invasion of America is just pure suicide for the Nazis, yet an invasion of Germany might go just as disastrously for the Americans. Americans will simply force the Brits to let them use their island as staging ground for bombing runs of Germany, and assuming that everything else is left unchanged, we can safely assume that Yanks successfully developed the nuclear bomb first, so all they'd need to do is to find a way of dropping it on German soil.

>>34380149
> Rocky Mountains and Appalachians are utterly impassable.

Not saying you're necessarily wrong, but wars have been lost on assumptions such as that.

If the wagon trains of the cowboy era could pass them, so could a WWII-era force. May not be easy, but it'd be possible.

>1945
If you said 1940, it'd be an almost even match, with the Nazi's having the upper hand. If 1945, then the whole thing is cruelly biased in favor of the US in nearly every fucking aspect.

>>34380159
Only because they can launch planes from England and later on in the war, Africa.

Had it not been for England holding on and not falling under German control US would have been fucked, unless they were to be able to stage air raids through Russia.

>>34380105
Ok OP here with an edit: No A bomb! Pretend America hasn't developed it. All other weapons up to the end of 1945 are available.

>>34380213
Aircraft carriers.

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>>34380105
>tfw the Ostfront was 4/5 of the war for the Germans but the USA brags they were the ones who beat the Wermacht

>>34380197
sure, it wouldn't be easy, and that's all it has to be. If the Krauts can be delayed long enough (and since this is vs USA only they can't just attack via the Leaf and Mexico, so they have to go hey diddle diddle straight up the middle), our industrial output can make a machine that can drive them back into the sea

>>34380178

Actually, the Americans took German tactics and improved upon them, to the point where they were doing what the Germans were afraid to: Running surface gun battles against destroyers.

The American wolfpacks in the Pacific were not only more refined than the Germans, but they were larger and better supported.

>>34380203
Even 1940 is not a far fight.

All America needs is a few years to go full total war. Germany can't hit America in that time.

>>34380219
Unterseeboot

>>34380238
See
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>>34380105
early war Germans have their military squared away and America has lots of bugs

Okay OP big question, how big is Germany. Do they have the land they had pre-1939 or do they have all the land at the height of their conquest of Europe?

No matter how one imagines this playing out, it's in every scenario nearly impossible to mitigate the monstrous industrial advantage of the Americans. Logistically, both countries are challenged, however one gets the feeling that Anglo treachery would allow the Americans a strong foothold in Europe, even if the Brits were as apparently "neutral" as OP stipulates.

Is it safe to say Germans wouldn't run a Blitzkreig type offense early on because of distance and geographical locations? For example wouldn't being an ocean apar combine with, the advantages the Appalachian and Rocky Mountains give fuck that up?

>80 million with initially superior tactics vs 129 million with more resources, territory and a better logistics, industrial capacity and organization

But half of that won't matter because it will be submarine clusterfuck in the Atlantic and nobody will win before they both get tired of it and quit.

There's really no question that the Soviets played the largest part in ending the war, but it's not nearly as simple as "Russia stronk". Hitler's terrible decision to invade Russia hurt the Germans far more than the Russians themselves did. Between 8 and 9 million Russian soldiers died during the war, compared to around 400k each for the UK and US (that includes all the US soldiers who died fighting Japan). The reds dealt the most damage to the Germans because they just threw millions of people at them as cannon fodder and because the land of Russia itself is a fucking weapon.

As for which side would have won between Germany and the US alone, a lot of that depends on whether or not Germany could acquire sufficient resources from other nations. While history has been rewritten so we can pretend that the US was always anti-Hitler, the reality is that Hitler had a good amount of Wall St. backing and Standard Oil, specifically, provided a large amount of oil and weapons to the Nazis early on. Without that and without an alternative, the US would win hands down. With an alternative supply, it would have been a standstill unless one nation was foolish enough to attempt a full scale invasion of the other. The Germans would repel a US land invasion, and the US navy would have blown German transports out of the water before they even reached the English Channel, regardless of the presence of U-boats.

>>34380279
>Both countries start the war within their respective territories.
At best nazi Germany includes about half of Europe.

Obviously Germans won't have a navy for crossing Atlantic, but they could prevent Americans from landing to mainland Europe or even to Britain, which would end up to a stalemate.

>>34380105

As a fantasyland question, it's less retarded than it could seem. Still retarded of course.

If we get the US in a position where the Germans can catch them (in other terms, as land neighbours) the Germans destroy the US, as the German army was optimized to strike at land neighbours with maximum efficiency for a short time. We know what happened: France got wrecked, tons of minors got wrecked, the SU got wrecked. Early war American performance and equipment wasn't better than most of the Allies. Get the US in the same position of most European powers and they lose.

Of course, this ignores the Atlantic. Amphibious operations are hard. The US is roughly 50% of the world industry, that can't end well.

>>34380264
Op Here. Both starting within their respective territories beforing getting involved with any other country.

>>34380105
>up to 1945
>just in time for america to have the atom bomb
lel you know who wins.

>>34380230
i'm not going to say you are wrong, but I will say the reason our submarines did so much better than the Germans is because the Japanese were so shit at ASW

>>34380582

Then USA easily. Part of the reason why the Germans attacked those smaller countries in the first place was because they were short of natural resources. Without occupation of those countries they wouldn't have had the raw materials to beat the Americans.

>>34380581

This desu. There was literally an attempted fascist coup in the US headed by Wall Street. If Germany and the US went to war without Germany gobbling up Europe for breakfast then its likely there would have been a second business plot and the war would end.

>>34380105
>Germany can invade the US
But they can't. The US wins, outright, no matter what mental gymnastics you try to pull.

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>>34380105

>>34380197
The cowboy wagon trains weren't opposed by a 10 million man post industrial military.

>>34380238
Destroyers and other escorts, enigma code. The Germans never had more than 175 U-Boats operational at a time either, and lost almost every one of the ~1100 they produced.

Germany couldn't even cross the channel. How are they supposed to do anything other than u-boat attacks before they are attacked themselves

>>34380105
>germany can invade the us
No it can't

>>34380105
>unless you're a yankee faggot
You're right. The entire combined peoples of the Eurasian land mass were the handy-capable victor; America was just the wheelchair, the ramp, and the nurse shoving it along. Good job!!

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>>34382413
>America was just the wheelchair, the ramp, and the nurse shoving it along. Good job!!

>>34380105
to be honest, US, UK, or USSR couldve 1v1 Germany and won though just slower than reality.
also:
>have access to technological advances up to 1945
The US just nukes germany into submission. this isnt even a challange.

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>three Liberty Ships per day

anyone who says the USA didn't win WWII is to dumb to take seriously

>>34382473
FDR should have squeezed the pricks even harder through lend-lease, frankly. Russia would have run out of bodies eventually, Britain wouldn't have lasted 2 years under sustained assault, and Adolf owned everyone else already. I'm not even a wehraboo, but fuck I wish the Japs had sat on their tiny yellow hands. Hey OP here's a scenario for you? What would a world look like where the US didn't save Europe's or the Pacific Brown people islands collective ass from the axis powers? The US, Japan and Germany carve up everything. It's kind of an appealing thought, actually.

>>34382546
Uncle Adolf woulda got greedy eventually.

>>34382546
never go full retard

>>34381417
You mean the whole reich of 1939 or just the Germany of when hitler took power? Pretty big difference.
Also we have to take into account that Germany can invade most of Europe in less than 2 years like in real life and use all those resources against the USA

>>34382465
UK?

>>34382465
This post is retarded

>>34382226
No shit?
What was this called

>>34380105

>Ok /k/ we all know Murica didn't win the war in Europe alone (unless you're a yankee faggot)

You're right. France won the war in Europe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YO-Ocueehfc

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>>34380213
>HURR DYUUURR ONLY BECAUSE THIS AND THAT IF GERMANY WAS AMERICA GERMANY WOULD WINN DUUUUUUURRRRRRR
Stupid fucking Nazis man, almost as fucking stupid as commies. Thankfully I have yet to meet one of these idiots from both sides in Real Life. I couldn't imagine how fucking stupid a socialist or a communist would look like.

>>34383479
Judaism

>>34380105
I think that while in a war of attrition the USA would probably win in a realistic conflict a truce would be brokered pretty quickly. Without Allies or multi front wars neither country could be successfully invaded and occupied. USA probably would invade Germany but without the Russians on their ass Germany could probably hold on long enough for USA to give up.

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>>34383479

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot

Based Butler saved American democracy.

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>>34380226

Without having to focus its efforts elsewhere does anyone think this would be more of a stalemate? Germany could put up some very effective defenses to avoid being straight invaded and since America is a stretch too far Germany couldn't really invade them.

>>34386171
In 1945? The united states still has the most important thing modern war has to offer. Air and artillery superiority

>>34380105
The US
>Economically the US was larger than Germany
Being able to produce shit tons of crap helps tremendously in a war the size of WW2 or this projected scenario.
>The US has the larger population.
More people=more troops. Also the US was not in the habit of killing off a decent sized part of its population because they were inferior.
>Technology leans slightly American
The US had access to nukes and advanced RADAR by 1945. The Germans had access to jets and "assault rifles." There were less than a handful of nukes in 1945, so I don't think the effect would be too great but RADAR would mean that the US could use its already size advantage to intercept German attacks more efficiently than the Germans. Early reports of jet fighters showed that they provided such an advantage that they were neigh untouchable in dogfights.
>US has more fuel
Germany was plagued by fuel shortages throughout the war. The US was the largest oil producing country at the time. No matter what uber tech the Germans could produce, it was useless if it couldn't be fueled.
>The US has more food
While Germany could supply enough food for its country in times of peace, it couldn't feed itself during war (combined larger army and reduced number of farmers). The US had some rationing for luxury foodstuffs, but there was never an issue of simple not enough food.
>The US had a larger navy
Navies were the means of force projection across an ocean in the first half of the 20th century. Germany had a tiny navy. The US navy, while not recognized to be as large as the British before the war, outclassed the German navy. Not to mention that the US had aircraft carriers, which as the war showed made battleships obsolete. In addition, the US could replace lost ships easily. Germany did not have enough large ship yards to even compete. Uboats needed to be either surfaced or close to the surface at the end of the war. RADAR and patrol aircraft effectively made uboat service a suicide in 1945.

>>34380144
Additionally they'll have the entire Marine Corps to throw in on top of the Army. Army would be able to dedicate more Airborne assets, while the Marines hit the beaches.

>>34383047
British Empire rather.

The Royal Navy had the Kriegsmarine completely bottled up and by the end of the Battle of Britain the Royal Airforce was outbuilding the Luftwaffe such that victory was inevitable. Without air and naval superiority there's simply no way the Nazis could launch a successful invasion of Britain.
Lend-lease was beneficial for the British war effort but not exactly necessary given the resources of her colonies, especially if it's UKvGermany so no Japs fucking with them in Burma and Malaya.

If you compare economies then Britain's economy grew significantly almost every year the war went on as she mobilised the resources of the empire while the German Reich stayed almost flat.
One of the reasons for Germany's early success is that they'd been devoted almost a quarter of their economy toward militarisation in the leadup to the war while the pussies governing Britain refused to spend more than 8% iirc because they didn't want to disrupt the normal flow of trade or impede negotiations with Hitler.

Now I wouldn't want to bet a lot of money on the Brits being able to pull off D-day without US direct military support but they had a better chance than Hitler had with Sea Lion.

>>34380149
Why assume that the Germans would invade? In this scenario it'd be the Americans pulling a d-day since they have the industrial capacity to actually field an invasion. This scenario would have the Germans as defending

>>34386293
Might as well add that the US had a jet fighter in 45, it just wasn't deployed because we didn't need it.

>>34380213
Implying it was ever even remotely possible for Germany to take control of Britain.

>>34380615
Logistics don't real. Have you considered the sheer size of the US? It's part of the reason they failed in Russia.

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Lol fuck no.

>>34383824
Fake, and a sad end for someone so decorated.