/k/s opinion on Timmy McVeigh and the Oklahoma City Bombing?

sup 3 letter agency, slow day at the office?

they ruined buying ammonia nitrate forever.

>>34378185
This

>>34378135
168:1

>>34378166
implying

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I watched that PBS documentary that's on Netflix. What really blew my mind was how seemingly close he came to getting away with it. Apparently the FBI figured out who he was because he checked into a motel near the truck rental agency using his real name. But if he hadn't, shiiit. Never knew law enforcement was so precarious. Also
>driving down the interstate in a car without plates while carrying a loaded gun after you just commited the crime of the decade

>>34378135
>I hate the US gov, so i detonate a bomb near a day care center for Federal employees. That'll do the trick.

>>34378263
that's always struck me too

a couple of adjustments in the plan and it could have been the greatest failure of the law agencies ever

>>34378277

The Atlanta Olympic Bombing was a failure for a long time.

>they fingered the wrong guy
>Rudolph didn't even come on the radar until after the FBI put him on the Most Wanted List for a bombing in Alabama
>The original "Innawoods" pioneer, hiding out for five years before getting caught.

>>34378135
He was a true patriot. A modern day John Brown. Let us forever honor his memory.
>>34378275
Collateral damage.

>>34378275
>detonate a bomb near a day care centre

he detonated a bomb to level a federal building. he wasn't even aware of the daycare centre

>>34378275

It worked. Compare:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_siege

to

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montana_Freemen

FBI and ATF completely changed their operating procedures after McVeigh did his thing. Look how they handled the Bundy thing a few years ago.

If Bundy had happened in the early 90's they would have went in there and killed everyone. They know if they do that now, someone will get pissed off enough to do something about it.

>>34378296
>Atlanta Olympic Bombing
True, but that "only" killed 1 person. As big of a fuck up as that was, could you imagine someone who killed 168 and injured 600 walking free for a few years?

>>34378312
>If Bundy had happened in the early 90's they would have went in there and killed everyone. They know if they do that now, someone will get pissed off enough to do something about it.
Considering the Bundy thing was over taxes that he skipped out on paying, not likely. Him and a bunch of dumb people got all rilled up over something that he started.

>>34378312
Always found it interesting that 9/11 led to more war and more reasons for Muslims to kill US citizens, and yet McVeigh actually succeeded despite his attack killing only a fraction of the 3000 in 9/11

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>>34378275
>be alphabet agency
>place a daycare in a high risk government building
>literally use the family members of your employees as hostages and meat shields against political dissidents
OOPS ;^)

>>34378135
A true hero, if OKC:2 Electric Boogaloo happens modify plans.
>wait till first responders show up
>have 2 or 3 buddies
>use suppressed rifles to start killing
>use secondary bombs to make police run around in circles
300-400 people easy.

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>>34378343
FUCKING THIS.
They use kids as shields while murdering kids.

>>34378298
>isn't really familiar with the target
How is this an excuse? Wouldn't you want all about what you plan to blow up to make sure you're hitting something worthwhile?

>>34378378
Not an excuse, and McVeigh showed little remorse about it. He said he'd change target if he had known, but wasn't overly remorseful.

You made it sound like it was his plan to kill children. It wasn't, and neither was killing people either. He wanted to level a federal building and deaths were collateral damage in his eyes.

Don't misrepresent his views anon.

McVeigh was working with the FBI throughout the entire series of events.

>>34378356
What do you think of McVeigh's opinion that he should of targeted federal agents with snipers in a war of attrition instead of leveling the building?

>>34378404
evidence?

>>34378430
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vgfi1QZILxk

McVeigh was a patsy. A fall guy with no real ties to the "Militia" as the media portrayed.

A character in a story written 4 years before the event in OKC, named "Tom Mcveigh" successfully carried out a "lone wolf" bombing of the OKC Federal Building in his story before being apprehended by Oklahoma Highway Patrol for a broken taillight, in similar fashion to how the "real" McVeigh was captured.

Federal Agents who were supposed to be in the building that day were notified in advance not to be there, and the offices of the FBI and ATF were empty at the time of the explosion.

There was anti-terrorism legislation waiting to be passed leading up to the event in OKC, including an earlier version of the "Patriot Act" (which didn't pass) and a modified version of the "Clinton Anti-Terrorism Bill"

>inb4 "Alex Jones, tinfoil hat, paranoid militia" whatever other nonsense bootlickers throw around so they don't have to look into things.

>>34378398
You're confusing me with some other anon. All I'm commenting on is that he's stupid for not understanding completely what he was blowing up.

>>34378711
If you knew anything about him, you would know he hated harming both human and animal life, evinced both by his experiences as a child and in his time as a Bradley gunner, but nice try Mr. Dogkiller

>>34378298
>>34378378
>>34378398

IIRC Nichols said he was aware of the day care center and basically said tough shit

>>34378135
Something needed to be done about the governments willful trampling of basic rights in the 90s. Not sure if McVeighs way was the right way, but there's no question that you didn't see anymore Ruby Ridges or Wacos afterwards.

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>>34378297
Wow, so edgy - don't cut yourself.

>>34378356
Get the hell out

>>34378464
Not evidence.

>>34378338
Well, I guess if 9/11 was in retaliation of an invasion and not reason for one.

>>34378135
McVeigh was a Patsy
the ATF did the Oklahoma city bombing to turn liberal idiots against the militias

>>34378852
Which part of the video specifically is not evidence. You can't just say that the entire video and all the points made and evidence cited is invalid. What specifically do you have an argument against

>>34378779
I agree.
It definitely wasn't the right way, but it possibly proved that an act of terrorism is actually a viable way to change how things work.
If correlation is actually causation in this case, then it worked. Hard to prove though.

>>34378565
>The FBI was stupid for not knowing there was children in that house.

One man's autism ruins it for everyone.

>>34378907
Ruins what exactly?

>>34378135
he makes for a pretty good case study in domestic terrorism.

>>34378926
A pushback of government overreach that's viewed as legitimate in the eyes of the people.

>>34378881
>no, no, tell me which specific points in a 58 minute crock of shit are wrong so I can debate them with you.

I'm not >>3437885 but
W E W L A D
E
W
L
A
D

>>34378398
If you really think his plan wasn't to kill people then how do you think he intended to level a building without doing it? Put up a work order and clear it with the city planners ahead of time and get OSHA on the scene?

>>34378963
It's not that his plan didn't involve killing people. He knew very well how many people would die if he was successful. It's that death wasn't his primary objective, just a by product of it. The people who died were collateral damage for his actual aim, leveling a federal building.

He didn't care about the people that died and was responsible for their deaths. But he didn't set out to kill people specifically.

>>34378942
The overreach was already happening, and always will be.

>>34378135
Man is anyone else comment on how accurate that sketch is

>>34378926
being able to buy good fertilizer and other common chemicals with out going on list or having to get neutered versions.

the ammonia nitrate fertilizers you get a typical retail stores. it now has chemicals added to it to make it unable to be used in bomb making. getting the good stuff in any quantity over a handful means going on a list.

lots of household chemicals are now only available in diluted form, or replaced with something that can't be made into a bomb and usually performs worse in the intended household role.

>>34378135
Unavoidable blowback for Waco and Ruby Ridge.

Daily Reminder: John Doe No. 2

>>34378998
i can't even tell which one is the sketch and which is the photograph of him

>>34378312
>If Bundy had happened in the early 90's they would have went in there and killed everyone. They know if they do that now, someone will get pissed off enough to do something about it.
I think it had much more to do with the fact that they didn't have full control of the information coming out. They also were facing off with more or less trained forces in large enough numbers and would have expected causalities should they had gone in heavy. If both those factors weren't there, you would have bet money that they would have gotten their asses shot.

>>34378263
>>34378277
It's because it was a false flag you fools.
https://archive.org/details/OklahomaCityBombing1995-TheRealReasonTheHiddenTruthAndTheCoverup

>>34378135
He was kind of a loser. Then he blew up a federal building. Blowing up the federal building didn't change his loser status. Basically he was an anxiety ridden dork

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>>34379155
Alex jones, oh boy

>>34379141

Lol and Waco wasn't a more or less trained force in large numbers. Did you forget they brought fucking M1 tanks and M60 CEV's to Waco?

McVeigh was a true patriot and he cucked the feds rightfully so.

>>34379141
>I think it had much more to do with the fact that they didn't have full control of the information coming out

This and only this. Same reason we pulled out of Vietnam.


>They also were facing off with more or less trained forces in large enough numbers and would have expected causalities should they had gone in heavy

>Implying a drone wouldn't have done the job with 0 casualties if uncontrolled media wasn't there.

>>34378998
yeah, pretty impressive

hence the filename and it still took them 3 days to figure it out

>>34378404
I honestly believe it was an FBI AND CIA op. The OK office held a lot of Clinton Whitewater info and evidence. It conveniently was destroyed in the blast. I abhor McVeigh for no remorse on killing children.

>>34378135
I heard his knees weak, arms are heavy.

>>34378337
Isn't that how the American Revolution got started? A bunch of people didn't want to pay taxes because they believed government overstepped their boundaries so they and a bunch of people got ruled up about it?

>>34378135

Murderous fuck motivated by getting revenge on other murderous fucks.

>>34379581
omelettes, broken eggs, etc.

>>34378337

Did you not pay attention in the 90s?

>>34378765

Then why did he bomb the building when it was most likely to have the most people in it?

>>34379009
You can buy tannerite all day, what do you think that is composed of?

And who honestly gives a shit about being "on a list?" You visit the weapons board of 4chan, have internet access, probably a smart phone (which means either an Apple or Google identity), likely watch netflix or similar internet-based media-on-demand as your source of entertainment, buy things online with credit cards (or debit cards, works the same), and depending on where you live, get flagged everytime you buy cold medicine.

But no, buying a common chemical is what is going to put you on "The List".

>>34378135

He was a terrorist piece of shit, and got what is coming to him.

Whatever message he was trying to send was lost when he killed a bunch of children.

>>34378135
endorsed by the then-director of the FBI

Louis J. Freeh literally admitted it was completely expectable blowback from Ruby Ridge & Waco, and cited both of them as situations with batshit insane ROEs

>>34379654
>ROE
whats that?

>>34379668
rules of engagement

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>>34379652
What if his message was death to children?

>>34379690

It wasn't.

Nobody gives a shit about what you have to say, but especially if you blow up a bunch of kids trying to say it.

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Daily reminder that Timothy mcveigh, an unstable retarded hick of a veteran, is currently our closest example of a "professional terrorist that uses common sense"

Just look at it, he and his friend made a powerful bomb out of household chemicals and basic chemistry knowledge then proceeded to remote detonate it, ezpz and more effective than mass shooting/running people over, he basically achieved what every ISIS nigger drools over.

and of course he almost got away if not for his retardation after his operation, best course of action for him would've been to take a hike for a few days in the deepest forest he can find then get the hell outta state, whether by carjacking someone or using public transportation or even legging it -- he's army anyway, let's not let all those rucking exercises go for vain.

So yeah, the best example of "most skilled terrorist" we currently have is this halfwit Mcveigh who got himself captured by his infinite stupidity, so i don't think we should be worrying about terrorism more than we should. especially lone wolf retards.


But seriously though, why can't the world be fucking fun?!?!?? why am i not seeing an ultra-competent terrorist organization that gets it's shit done unlike ISIS?, MAKE IT HAPPEN.

>>34379706
But if youre muslim, youll have liberals lining up for miles to defend you because it wasnt caused by islam, even if you explicitly say it was
Just think about that for a while

>>34379741

well we all know that liberalism is a mental disorder.

>>34379734
Competent people aren't stupid enough to screw with the USA unless they want something specific.

See: Islamic Jihad.

>>34379757
And theyre the first people to use children for an excuse to trample any rights
We should know by now "but muh chilldren!" is a cry of retardation and fear
Dont be fooled into being convinced by that, or acting in that manner

>>34378415
No, he should have used a nuke.

>>34378135
Made it hard as shit to rent trucks...

>>34378826
Keep licking, I'm sure his boot isn't clean yet.

>>34379816

I'm not saying that the OB incident was not useful to someone, or abused to enact agenda drive legislation, but it's pretty simple dude:

dead children = bad.

That is why ,IMO, Timothy McVeigh was just a piece of shit.

>>34379828
>no more Oklahoma
sounds good to me

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>>34378852
>>34378881
>>34378956
>"The video is bullshit!"
>"Ok, what specifically do you take issue with?"
>"I mean, I didn't watch it cause it's long.. but I 'know' it's bullshit anyways somehow."

Keep those blinders on boy.

>>34379848
He was a piece of shit because it was a false flag
Of course dead children are gonna get terrorism bills passed
Kids get killed all the time and I'm not some retarded woman whos gonna let that influence me
After OKC and Sandy Hook, I will never let childrens deaths coerce me into agreeing with totalitarians and I feel no pity for retards who will

>>34378800
No, I'm serious. John Brown was considered "edgy" in his day, though they didn't have that word. One day, people will realize that Timothy McVeigh was in the right.

>>34379851
Yeah fuck Oklahoma it's because of States that are full of racist bigots that Hillary lost the election, and POC, gay and trans people are afraid for their lives, and Muslim refugees are dying. Hillary would have crushed Russia and we'd have a true multicultural country.

>>34379937
I dont think abolishing slavery really helped us in the long run
Tim was right, but he was either a false flag spook or a useful idiot hung out to dry

>>34378135
>/k/s opinion on Timmy McVeigh
He is a murderer. He got what he wanted though, there hasn't been a Waco or Ruby Ridge since.

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>>34379952
good

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>>34379246
>true patriot

>>34379851
>>34379952
He was born in New York, and grew up there. Waco happened in Texas obviously. Not sure why you faggots are blaming this on an unrelated state. Oklahoma just happened to be the location of his target. Suck a dick fags.

Looks like Slim Shady.

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good work timmy

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>>34378135

1: I'm glad Muslims haven't figured out how to make fertilizer truck bombs.

2: As a government fearing Libertarian I hate the SOB for giving liberals an example to try and paint people who don't trust the state as violent maniacs.

3: Even if you feel that revolution against the state is necessary blowing up a building full of no name bureaucrats (and a daycare for their kids) only serves to make people more sympathetic to the state and less sympathetic to those who would challenge its authority.

>>34378263
The thing is, is that most mass murderers are insane and have mental issues that create all kinds of issues for their plans. Who knew?

Also, I'm sure some mass murderers get away with being evil, but nobody cares because the media can't really put a huge spin on nobody.

>>34378398
> He wanted to level a federal building and deaths were collateral damage in his eyes.
Then why didn't he blow up the building on a weekend, when hardly anyone would have been there?

>>34378135
American hero.
Now if someone could just do the same to the nsa, dea and the main headquarters of the ATF that would be great.

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>>34378398
This is like some Ali G level bait.
>"Could it be possible to work with the terrorists to say, 'Yo, here's a building that we're going to demolish anyway. Go, have your fun with it. Do whatever you want, but just don't do the other ones.'"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHD1N9vtPlE

>>34378398

He could have blown it up at 2AM, would have been easier to get away with it then too.

The fact that he blew it up in the middle of the day demonstrates rather clearly that he wanted a high death toll.

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>>34380812

Welcome to the watch list.

>>34380842
>>34380864
you guys are applying a rational mindset to a deranged young permavirgin

the motherfucker had just killed possibly hundreds of people for all he knew and he was driving with an illegal firearm and without plates. don't measure his actions with your normal level of rationality.

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>>34378135

Oklahomafag here, I'm glad he's dead but I have to admire his ingenuity.

>>34380643
>2 niglets
worth it

>>34379621
go to a farm supply store and try to buy a 50 plus pounds or more of pure ammonia nitrate.

>>34379734
because the people in the competent and willing to cause death and destruction venn diagram overlap, work for governments.

>>34380842
Source on pic?

>>34381101
xd

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>>34378135
By all accounts McVeigh was an OK guy.

>>34378135
Despite having little to no ties to the militia movement he fucked their shit up beyond all belief. I really don't forgive him for that even if it was the media.

>>34378135
dude looks like eminem

>>34381555
trips confirm McVeigh was just a misunderstood nice dude

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>>34380738
>I'm glad Muslims haven't figured out how to make fertilizer truck bombs.


They happen all the time. One with 120+ deaths just happened last year in Hillah.

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>>34379155
>alex jones

Discarded

>>34381976
Alex Jones is more trustworthy than many mainstream news outlets such as CNN and the New York Times

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>>34378135

The last truly Great American

All true sons of liberty should seek to follow his example.

"You no longer have a Constitution in this land. The most vile criminal people that ever walked the face of the earth now reside in Washington DC and they are your masters!!!
And Jesus Christ is going to bless this land?!
How dare you even consider it!!!
I'm asking you to make measly, miserable worms out of ALL Federal Agents! This is our country! When you raise that hand to feel the power, that comes from total absolute unconditional commitment!
We win or we die!!!"
-Louis Beam

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>>34380643

Boy have I got the song for you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NApAx7To-M

>>34382075
>more trustworthy
Imfuckingplying
>>34382090
My freedom is what I see as free not some idiot who thought his was the one we should follow

>>34378926
Buying ammonium nitrate

>>34382090
honeypot alert

In one fell swoop he managed to kill a bunch of children and get the militia movement branded as insane people. Not a fan.

>>34378135
why are 3 letter agencies and media goons trying to get a foothold into /k/? Was /pol/ too rough on your tater tots?

batfe had it coming. they earned it.

if you wanna make an omelette, you're gonna have to break some eggs. collateral damage is a sorry fact of war.

we can still rent trucks and buy diesel fuel. only the fertilizer is harder.

the price of freedom is eternal vigilance.

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>>34381101

>>34378275
Yeah, he was a terrorist cunt and people who idolize him are cunts too

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>>34378135
Funny story, Timmy's sister teaches at my old middle school

My favorite part is how everyone in this thread forgets Terry Nichols.

you fucking plebes are too young to remember waco or ruby ridge anyway so go pound sand in your collective ass.

>>34382730
shes pretty cute in that pic

>>34382707
yeah, i know. mommy lets you stay up late becuase its not a school night.

never the less, you must be at least 18 years of age to use 4chan.

>>34382730

Tell us about her

>>34378135
He was a nigger. People who think "but he didn't know any better" to justify the unintended damage are baiting or fucked in the head. It doesn't matter if he didn't mean to kill children, it still happened because of his negligence and ignorance.

All he did was kill some office workers and children. At least the memorial puts a lot of effort into respecting their loss, it's one of the nicest places in OKC.

>>34382775
>you don't idolize a CIA plant terrorist?
>haha you're a kid! i called you a kid, take that you underage kid! haha

>>34382812
She was probably my favorite teacher of all time. Very energetic, eager to teach. From what I've heard, every year one kid will find out about her, and spread it to the rest of the grade. Happened in my class, and happened the year before that too. Can post some proof if wanted.

>>34379952
>2017
>live in Oklahoma
>need to go vote for the United States Emperor
>mount clydesdale and turn on equine radio
>flick past 94 classic rock stations
>Oklahoma! starts playing
>make it halfway across 6 miles of open field before being killed by tornado

>>34382954
>not stealing land from the indians and naming a college football team after literal cheaters

>>34382954
>94 classic rock stations
fuck off anon i still miss zinga and spanozi on BOB FM

>>34382860
your mother must be so disappointed

>>34382864
would be cool if you did

>>34378135
>Timmy McVeigh

He was a piece of shit mass murderer that killed 168 people and injured over 600, including 19 children DOA.

If a dumb cunt wants to "wage war" against the Government, blowing up innocent office workers and a day care center is as about psyco-chickenshit-pants on head retarded as it gets.

I wish they could have revived him repeatedly, so they could keep executing him in new and more interesting ways.

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>>34383259
http://www.foxnews.com/story/2001/05/11/mcveigh-sister-reveals-identity-in-north-carolina.html

>>34383339
the office was connected to WACO.

>>34378135
hello FBI

>>34378337
And maybe that thing how the government wants to arrest him for something he was already jailed and released for.

>>34378398
The ATF and FBI has little remorse for killing dogs, women and children too. How can you not see this was an eye for an eye type thing?

>>34383371
>the office was connected to WACO.

Were the 19 blown-to-bits children "connected" to Waco? Did he get a single Waco shooter?

My assessment still stands.

>>34383455
They were the offspring of baby killers.

having a daycare in the building where they commanded an operation that killed 70+ civilians would be called HUMAN SHIELDS if the palestenians did it

>>34378135
In the crudest terms, 168 to 1

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>>34383455

>>34378343
>Blowing up a whole city block and a shitload of innocents
>Political dissident
O guess that's one way of putting it.
I'm not even a big fan of the ATF.

>>34383354

Is she married? Does she have children?

I'm just curious to see if she changed her name because of her brother or because she got married.

>>34383354
I've always wondered what it must be like to be someone like that. Like, being related to someone who killed a fuckton of people.

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>>34384118

The brother of that son of a bitch who shot a bunch of kids at a Jewish school in Paris a few years back wrote a book called "My Brother: The Terrorist" if you want to check that out.

http://www.thenational.ae/world/europe/brother-of-terrorist-walks-length-of-france-in-anti-extremism-campaign

>>34378337
Yea and ruby ridge started over false allegations of someone making a sawn off shotgun. Bundy easily could have gone full waco.

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>>34378489

>>34384144
what is real news
>inb4 'lmao just look it up i dont gotta spoonfeed you'

>>34383798
Don't think she's married, never saw a ring. I know she has an adopted kid, she showed us pictures of him once in class.

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>>34381976
>more trustworthy

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>>34382775
>using the age argument to hide the fact that you're idolizing a terrorist.

The insult didn't even register. Almost like you're saying "nuthin personell, kid" after having your shit kicked in.

>>34382993
>"HAHA your mom! XDXDXD"

>>34384942
Fatasfatass

>>34378135
Government & it's minions had it coming. What pisses me off is that there was a daycare inside. Did he know that at the time?

>>34379203
Major news organizations have reported that the security video footage shows 2 people getting out of the Ryder truck in front of the Murrah building.

He didn't do anything wrong no meme.

>>34378275
You mean like how they killed kids at Ruby Ridge and Waco?

Sounds like the perfect revenge to me, dumbfuck.

>>34385170
getting caught?

>>34385109
he didn't, Nichols knew apparently. He said he would of considered changing target if he had known

>>34381101
Kek

>>34382954
>94 classic rock stations

Fuck you, dude. There are 2 stations that play any kind of rock. Every other channel is either country or the one rap station.

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>>34382130
>Imfuckingplying
>he said as the lamestream media owned by Soros and funded by saudi arabia lied to him for the forth time today

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>>34385808
>Well known media outlets lie
>Therefore a man who believes in chemtrails and HAARP conspiracies is a trustworthy news source

>>34378765
Fun fact: Tim McVeigh still has the high score for targeting as a gunner in the Bradley

>>34378135
he's a terrorist piece of shit and i'm glad hes dead

>>34382954
KEK

>George Roden had dug up the casket of Anna Hughes from the Davidian cemetery and had challenged Howell to a resurrection contest to prove who was the rightful heir to the leadership

This is your brain on 'murica fundamentalism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_siege

>>34386682

>While waiting for the trial, Roden was put in jail under contempt of court charges because of his use of foul language in some court pleadings, threatening the Texas court with sexually transmitted diseases if the court ruled in favor of Howell.

>On August 5, 1989, Howell released the "New Light" audio tape, in which he stated he had been told by God to procreate with the women in the group to establish a "House of David" of his "special people". This involved separating married couples in the group and agreeing that only he could have sexual relations with the wives, while the men should observe celibacy

>Koresh had physically abused children in the compound and had committed statutory rape by taking multiple underage brides. Koresh was also said to advocate polygamy for himself and declared himself married to several female residents of the small community. According to the paper, Koresh declared he was entitled to at least 140 wives, that he was entitled to claim any of the females in the group as his, that he had fathered at least a dozen children, and that some of these mothers became brides as young as 12 or 13 years old.

Holy shit the wacko siege indeed

>>34385873
Not true, he just maxed out the score (hit every target in time) . It's still done from time to time.

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>>34378135
What did he mean by this?

>>34378318
Rudolf didn't wanna kill anyone. He just wanted to fuck over the corporations that profit off of the sheeple's consumerism

>>34386682
It wasn't even anything related to christian fundamentalism, yuro. They made up their own bullshit and interpretations.

>>34386753
Prolly doing demo testing to see if the fucker actually pulled it off with a Ryder truck.

>>34386763

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the ATF completely fucked from the start ? I don't know their protocol but they immediately started being offensive instead of calmly asking Koresh to surrender his stuff ?

>>34386868

Janet Reno told them exactly what to do just like she wanted it done.

this is how simple it is:

*the government wrote "checks" at ruby ridge and waco

*McVeigh "cashed" them at oklahoma city

thats it, nothing more.

>>34378312
>implying the change in procedure was because of McVeigh and not because they recognized that they fucked up at Waco

>>34379741
>>34379757
>>34379816
>being this fucking stupid
The reason why blaming all muslims for acts of terror, even when the terrorist declares they're "doing it for islam" is the same reason we don't blame all white people for Dylan Roof shooting up a fucking church.

>>34379816
>And theyre the first people to use children for an excuse to trample any rights
As opposed to using the actions of a minority to trample the rights of the entire muslim community, which is perfectly fine?

>>34386770
this pic was taken before the attack

S H E E P D I P P E D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vgfi1QZILxk

>>34378135
Shit heel.

Also it wasn't likely just him and Nichols. It's likely that there were other people in the Patriot Movement helping them plan and facilitate blowing up the Murrah building.

>>34378275
>>I hate the US gov, so i detonate a bomb near a day care center for Federal employees. That'll do the trick.

McVeigh pretty openly stated that his reasoning was that federal employees were guilty by association, even if they weren't law enforcement.

>>34378398
>It wasn't, and neither was killing people either. He wanted to level a federal building

Which is why he bombed the Murrah building in the middle of the day when it was very likely to be occupied and not at night when it was closed.

Or didn't phone in a threat to force an evacuation (something ETA were fond of doing, and something the IRA did sometimes).

>>34380898
>you guys are applying a rational mindset

Committing terrorism and/or murder doesn't necessarily make one an irrational actor. It only requires a rational actor seeing violence as the only available and effective action for a desired outcome.

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>>34387242
>le le money metaphor I'm so deep

>>34378135
fucker blew up a daycare may he burn in hell

>>34379741
>Just think about that for a while

You're grossly simplifying a complex issue anon.

Islam cannot be separated from Islamism and Jihadism (two sides of the same coin of Political Islam), but they don't actually represent the orthodoxy which has historically been Quietist even among Political Islam.

Though OKC and Islamic terrorism are a good comparison, but probably not for the reason you think. The Patriot Movement is a decent analogy for a lot of the ideological back bone of Jihadism, in that it pushed McVeigh along in his radicalization in the same way Jihadists and Jihadism can accelerate radicalization of Moslems today. A helping ideological hand combined with the perceptions and experience of the individual in the process of self radicalization creates actors like McVeigh.

>>34378356
Which makes me think, why didn't this jackass who shot up the Republican baseball practice make it worthwhile. I mean, you know you're going to get shot or incarcerated for life.

Me, I would have made a mold of a second-base, formed it out of tannerite, nails, and ball bearings, then took it out with a suppressed rifle from about 150yds off.

BOOM!

>then tannerite goes the way of ammonium nitrate

>>34386868
>Correct me if I'm wrong, but the ATF completely fucked from the start ?

Sort of. The BATFE and FBI were eager to go in. The BATFE wanted to go in first and got their shit handed to them. Then they wanted to go back in and get payback.

There were some shady process issues including the use of military personnel and materials under the guise of narcotics enforcement for normal law enforcement, and the BATFE and FBI ignored the negotiator on the scene (who is also a SME on Columbine with some interesting insight into that) so they could kick doors and pull triggers.

The same thing happened at Ruby Ridge, which also had some personnel overlap (Lon Horiuchi, for example).

The smack down they got after Ruby Ridge allegedly led to a reluctance to be wrong again regarding McVeigh so there was an institutional paralyzation.

>>34388629
>killing Republicans
>not Democrats
Antifa plz

>>34381504
Energy Kyouka!

he should have gotten revenge on the FBI without killing innocent kids and shit.

>>34378135
>Timmy McVeigh and the Oklahoma City Bombing?

Raghead/Norn Iron subhuman behavior

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>>34382075
>more trustworthy
And bloody piss tastes better than diarrhea but you aren't going to be seeing me or anyone else drink the former by the fucking jug-full.

>>34387821
>this pic was taken before the attack

Doubtful. Most likely eben tinfoil memes.

>>34379654
Louis J. Freeh literally admitted it was completely expectable blowback from Ruby Ridge & Waco, and cited both of them as situations with batshit insane ROEs
Sauce on this?

>>34383546
>>34383443
this.
rip timmy

>be atf
>make laws about a bunch of shit (which they aren't allowed to do), violating the 2a
>shoot the dogs and burn the houses of any """criminal""" who disobeys
>get blown up
>"omg how horrible, the atf totally didn't deserve that11!"

>>34388901
Fuck off /pol/, are you even capable of abstract thinking anymore? I'm talking about the incompetence in planning an execution.

If I was choosing a target, it would probably be the next Bilderberg meeting, but that would take a highly professionalized team with good backing, considering they are the most powerful people in the Western hemisphere and have a personal army of ~400 in security forces.

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>>34391571
Does this look like the face of competence?

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>>34378297
>collateral damage.
>purposely killing US citizens and destruction of US property simply for guilt by association
>true patriot

>>34378135
>/k/s opinion on Timmy McVeigh and the Oklahoma City Bombing?
nutters who did the right thing for probably the wrong reason/s.
Good people worthy of praise.

>>34387750
No one got jail time or lost their jobs over Waco... soooo...

>>34385179
>Innocent children died in Waco
>More innocent children need to die to even up the score

>>34378852
This. It's an hour of batshit propaganda that is ridden with so much transparent conjecture and outright facepalmingly embarrassing attempts to polish a turd of a conspiracy theory into something resembling a documentary that it is barely worthy of rolling ones eyes at. I say that as a person who's very much pleased that the Feds have lost a bunch of their public trust, if it ever existed, and gained a whole lot of public scrutiny and maybe even the start of some accountability. Waco and Ruby ridge were massive fuckups and government overreach. But this kind of tinfoil hat shit does NOT convince anyone beyond the loonies who keep on driving with Sovereign Citizen "licenses."

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I dont know if you guys remember, but I posted a thread very similar to this about 2 weeks ago and I was banned.

>the mod also moved the thread to /r9k/ for some unknown reason

>>34391875
do you understand the concept of revenge?

>>34391711
>No one got jail time or lost their jobs over Waco... soooo...

Because of qualified immunity.

But the backlash from the combination of fuck ups at Ruby Ridge and Waco had an institutional effect which likely led to a hesitation to really push any action against McVeigh until he actually followed through. He wasn't unknown to the Feds.

>>34392008
>revenge for people whom you never know or dealt with, and whom you hold no ties to whatsoever beyond sympathy

>>34378135
Anyone know if there's an credence to the rumors of Iraqi involvement in OKC? That Mcviegh had training or support from someone from Iraq?

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>>34391941
MODS = GODS

>>34391664
I was talking about abstract planning, disregarding the targets and perpetrator. You can't tell me that if your objective was to take out a baseball team, a second-base ball-bearing bomb wouldn't be incredibly inventive.

That being said, I don't want to kill anyone that doesn't personally threaten my life or those of my loved ones, FBI pls don't shoot me!

>>34392617
If my goal were to take out a bunch of defenseless middle-aged men, a modern repeating rifle and basic marksmanship skills would be more than sufficient.
Shit like camouflaged bombs would just be for style points.

>>34392008
Do you understand the concept of innocence?

>>34392684
Nah, it would extend your spree. Remember those cut-out white-van DC father-son niggas?

Fucking assholes, but grade A terrorizers to make people afraid to pump gas.

>>34392684
The shooter in that case acted spur-of-the-moment. He even asked a passer-by whether it was republicans or democrats playing, so he obviously wasn't going for any particular targets since he couldn't even ID them, which gives an idea of the planning involved.

>>34392876
>Do you understand the concept of innocence?
Not that anon but revenge-driven people generally can't understand that concept, no.

>>34394326
Except he had been hanging out at the YMCA across the street for at least a month before the attack. He may have finally met his threshold for action due to self radicalization, but it was not spontaneous.

>>34379734
You basically want COBRA or HYDRA or some shit, is what you're saying?

Actually, that sure would make things interesting.

>>34394712
No, not that far.

say about-- a squad of rogue tier 1 SF going full guerrilla warfare on their country would make a great movie

>>34378135
A weird autismo who made it awkward for other weird autismos like me to buy fertilizer

>>34378275

The replies to this post have revived my faith in /k/

>>34378135
>fuck with niggers they will ironically protests and randomly kill individual officers
>fuck with honkey's they'll immolate a regional command center

>>34385179
They didn't start the fire at Waco to cover up their pedophile cult

>>34379568
It was 1 guy that didn't want to pay his taxes though

>>34395041
But it was also a bunch of people that didn't want to pay the taxes because they believed it was wrong for the government to have that land. Bundy for sure just was cheap and didn't want to pay, but many of the supporters were against what they saw as the government owning too much land out west