>mfw reading about the 9th army and 12th army of the wehrmacht

>>34373921
what did we learn children?
germans are tactical retards

>>34373921
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uk2NeKBG5A

oh boo hoo you exterminate the russian and the russian exterminates you

>>34374555
There's no doubt Germans committed terrible crimes during WWII. But so did the Allies. It's war, there are no rules.

As much as I dislike Nazis, (great uncle in the Ardennes, grandfatjer's stepfather in the 20th Armored) that took serious stones from the krauts. Even the Waffen SS tried their best, in their own psycho way.

>>34374555
Did you know that 50% of Germany is now part Russian?

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>Thread about a particular military and their heroic tales
>Instantly turns into a /pol/ vs /leftypol/ argument because it was that one army that can't ever be talked about
>Can't have the common decency to have a thread without trying to assfuck the other corner of the political compass
Just end my life.

>>34375086
>Both sides committed these crimes.
>implying the Allies massacred millions of people of certain ethnicity to exterminate them
Not going to sugar coat war but even the 2nd most barbaric soviet army doesn't even come close to what the Germans did.

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>>34375111
>"guys, both sides committed crimes in the war, we should learn from that"
>NO THE GERMANS WERE SO MUCH WORSE OH MY GOD, WE LITERALLY SAVED THE POOR JEWS FROM OPPRESSION, NOBODY WAS AS BAD AS THE NAZIS
I wonder who could be behind this post

>>34375103
>>Instantly turns into a /pol/ vs /leftypol/ argument because it was that one topic that can't ever be talked about
This is the entirety of 4chan right now and I hate it.

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>>34375135
Even if the allies had committed twice as many crimes and killed twice as many innocents, it wouldn't come close to moral equivalency for a regime that wanted to:

Wipe out several ethnicities
Enslave and work to death several countries worth of people
Strip a generation of children from their parents
Suppress partisans by eradicating villages
Recruit scum like Oskar dirgelwanger, and then empower him
Create a global empire based on pseudoscience, economic parasitism (see tooze's wages of destruction), and the rejection of any pre fuhrer morality

Need I go on?

>>34375145
>it doesn't matter what actually happened because muh morales
So it was ok for the US put people in camps just as shitty as the nazis did to the jews, minus zyklon cause they're such good guys
It was ok for the Soviets to rape, raze, and loot any city they went through to the point where women were literally dying of exhaustion
It was ok for people to be drafted and sent to a war against their own will lest they be jailed
And apparently we're just gonna ignore the oppression of non whitemales in the 1940s in basically every first world country too

Do keep going Mr. Goldberg

>>34374983
>Did you know that 50% of Germany is now part Russian?

Serves you right, still wonder why Stalin did not genocide all your evil nation, but gave you the superior slav genes instead.

>>34375179
Yes, it was ok, because the krauts started whole thing

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>>34373921
I used to be "redpilled" about the Germans but now I just wish that we had nuked them off the face of the Earth. European history would have been immensely better had the German people simply been exterminated by the Romans. Just nip the worst people in Europe in the bud. It certainly would be better than watch the nation decide to YET AGAIN attempt to slowly destroy all of Europe.

>>34375190
I've been here since like 2009, by no means an oldfag but here's what I've noticed: What was once a collection of irreverent 20 something professional slackers laughing at the world burning has turned into a collection of the same sort of burnout 20-somethings except now instead of laughing about 60% of them are completely sure that they have the solution to put the fire out if the other side would just shut the fuck up and listen.
It's fucking sad.

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>>34375350
come and get me then dumbass

>ITT: nazis are bad because they arrest and exterminate people
>lets arrest and exterminate them

>>34375135
Allies did bad shit too, but nothing on the level of Germany's industrialized genocide, or the rape of nanking, that the japanese still have the balls to deny.

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>>34375353
>Germanic Tribes destroy and fragment the Roman Empire
>Collapse of the Romans brings about the dark ages
>Martin Luther splits the Christian world, sets it up for Muslim conquests
>Literally all of WWI
>One world war is simply not enough dead Europeans for the eternal kraut
>Starts WWII, killing tens of millions of whites
>Effectively makes nationalism a fringe taboo belief
>Merkel decides to fulfill the inborn wish of every proud German to forever destroy the European peoples

>Sturmbrigade Wallonien
>Defending the retreat alongside Division Wiking
>Pulling off superhuman feats
>Getting fucking frozen

I read Leon Degrelle's book "Eastern Front". What a fucking leader and a hero. Imagine taking fire in the middle of a Ukrainian winter at night and the only cover you got is a foxhole filled with bonechilling water. Reading "We Will Not Go To Tuapse" right now, written by another member of "Wallonien".]

Other Great Reads
- Obedient Unto Death
- Blood Red Snow
- Sniper on The Eastern Front

>>34373921
>Start 2(ish) wars
>People start starving about half way through each of them
>Loose both of them

At least they are industrious, but they will never win a war.

>>34375434
>Loose
Your mother. Learn the language you spic.

>>34375111
Wewlad are we forgetting about Unit 731 and Nanking, or did those events never happen?

>>34375413
Doesn't mean the imperial japanese weren't scumbags. There are certain things that you just don't do(if only because you gain nothing from them), and the japanese in WW2 went down the list of them like they were doing a god damn scavenger hunt.

>>34375387
If someone is an actual nazi, i.e. they go around saying that they are going to arrest and exterminate people. Then shooting them is self defense. They are literally going around making death threats.

>>34375438
>implying my bad spelling isn't a product of the good ole american public education system

Good one

>>34375111
>Torture German prisoners
>Once you get into their land, rape their women and children
>Kill the old and slaughter the germans by cities
Lemme guess, you believe the 6 gorillion is worse than 60 million deaths?

>>34375495
They could have just not invaded Russia. They Could have only fought civilized countries, but they chose not to.

>>34375494
Don't blame something else, quit being a puke.

>>34375543
No. You can't make me.
>you can't change anything

>>34375495
>invade without war declaration
>burn countless villages and towns
>kills every sixth Soviet citizen
>rape and pillage
>starve pows
The krauts deserved everything that happened to them

>>34374280

Dude thanks, i couldn't remember what that song was called.

>>34373921
Nobody invited You there, faggot.
Also, Morgenthau Plan would be a better long term approach than outright extermination.

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>>34375694
whoops, forgot my picture

> Someone starts a perfectly legitimate thread about WW2 and military bravery
> Anti-wehrhaboos start shitting it up for no reason
> Naziboos take the bait
> Somehow this is /pol/ fault
> Thread fully derailed.

Mods please clean up this shit

>>34375663
They were defending their homeland

>>34375471
So if antifa memebers go around saying they'll kill anybody who's not leftist or white male does this mean we can round them up and kill them? becasue that's what they do on top of destroying public property

>>34374808
>It's war, there are no rules.
There are rules in war, that's why you have things called war crimes. Of course, killing nazi shouldn't be considered a war crime that'd just be silly.

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>>34376633
Fighting for the Fatherland in the Motherland, right? :^)

>>34374215
You have it backward. They were tactically advanced, but strategically lacking. Hitler had alot to do with their strategic mistakes, though

>>34375111
Stalin killed more of his own people than the Germans did. That's not an argument for the Germans, it's just an argument against who was worse.

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Cry some more desu.

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>>34376977

How many people do you think he killed? Because the 60 million figure is ridiculous on the face of it, since that would be 1/3 of the Soviet population. The Holodomor was also a famine caused by incompetence and bad policy, not intentional extermination.

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>>34377015

Better version.

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>>34375416

This is the image you want.

>>34373921
I'm sure you've heard about the "last, craziest battle" of the war? The battle for castle itter, where a small detachment from the 23rd armored had been sent to secure French prisoners, and had to defend against 200 or ss troops. The Americans were joined by a weremacht unit in the defense, and fought off the attack. Only battle in the war were Americans and Germans fought side by side. Pretty neat

>>34375103
I think the lesson here is, don't start threads about things you know are going to turn into a shitshow.

>>34377015
In Russia, the figure sits around 13 million (apparently, this coming from a friend of mine that was born and raised there) but estimates go as high as 16 million. He said there will never be a truly accurate number because the killings were so thorough that first hand accounts of the numbers killed are basically non existent.

>>34376633
Kind of like how the Polish, French, British, and Russians to name a few were?

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>>34375513
The Soviets were obviously coming right at them, that was Stalins master plan, wait for european nations to fuck each other up and then rush all thew way to Brittany and Gibraltar. The German proactive peacekeeping operation in Poland was merely to stop the evil poles from genociding the poor innocent aryans in bamberg, danzig and eastern poland which the poles were only doing because the evil anglo told them to do so.

>>34377465
Those were different

>>34374555
>>34374911
>>34374975
>>34375059
>>34375145
I'm going to guess that you've never stood in a soldier's boots. When you get right down to it, all those Wehrmacht soldiers were fighting for was their country and their people. Does that make them any different from the Soviets or the Americans or the British or the French? When you're in that environment, with death around every corner, sitting on the other side of every hill, it doesn't matter whether your actions are good or evil. All that matters is living, and coming back alive to your family and friends in the end. What I'm trying to say is that soldiers are judged based on the infantile concept of right and wrong by people who have never been in their position. War transcends right and wrong, there's no morality to it, just the living and the dead.

>>34379554
How so?

Hail Hitler, 1488, gas the kikes race war now!

If I was a kraut I'd rather surrender to the allies than soviets. Going to jail in west germany isn't so bad compared to gulags and "rehabilitation camps".

I'm also eternally mad at Stalin for murdering my great grandfather.

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>>34373921
>feels thread
>feels thread for the fags that started the war because they lost the last war they started

>>34375145

>Wipe out several ethnicity
Didn't Happen. No credible evidence.
>Enslave and work to death several countries worth of people
Didn't Happen. No credible evidence.
>Strip a generation of children from their parents
Literally every nation that has done total war ever
>Suppress partisans by eradicating villages
Didn't happen. No credible evidence
>Recruit scum like Oskar dirgelwanger, and then empower him
"We have literally nobody left to fight the horse of rampaging, rapist Bolsheviks except the elderly and prisoners."
>Create a global empire based on pseudoscience, economic parasitism (see tooze's wages of destruction), and the rejection of any pre fuhrer morality
"Psuedoscience is anything that hurts my feelings and suggests not all people are exactly the same. Economic parasitism is only okay if Israel does it. And I have run out of shitty arguements so here's some random words about morality."

>Need I go on?

Yeah, how about actually providing a single piece of real evidence for anything you just said?

>>34375416

>Posts bullshit with absolutely no sources are evidence

>>34375190
I remember when 4chan was all lefty atheist fedora tippers

>>34375111
Trips confim.

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>>34375179
>Japs sent to death camps.
Wut.

>>34382659
I don't and I've been here since before /pol/ became a thing

>>34382109
Dude I'm not that anon, but holy shit it was REPEATLY mentioned in Mein Kamph, was given as orders when they invaded Poland and the USSR, and WHAT HAPPENED TO THE 6 MILLION JEWS AND THE 9 MILLION OTHER PEOPLE?

ITT: Racists, progtards, poltards, and general faggotry.

>>nothing about weapons in this thread.

mods, delet this thread plz

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>>34379215
>Generalplan Ost
Even if the Russians attacked first, they would wage war for the survival of their nation.

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Communists aren't people.

>>34375416
Serbians caused ww1 and the death of the Roman empire was a good thing for Europe in the long run despite the immediate turmoil.
>"the dark ages"
fuck off.

>>34383448
Kys my man

>>34382659
It never stopped. But fewer people bother to make arguments for religion at all, let alone on 4chan. Even in a place like /k/, that sort of talk gets shit on. Religion is dying out in the civilized world, and good riddance

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>>34375416
>>Martin Luther splits the Christian world, sets it up for Muslim conquests

The War of The Roses was Kingdom related, not religious.

>>34375416
>>Germanic Tribes destroy and fragment the Roman Empire
Germanic =/= German, Anglos are Germanic, but not German
>>Collapse of the Romans brings about the dark ages
Roman civil wars did more to destroy their empire than the germanic tribes ever did
>>Martin Luther splits the Christian world, sets it up for Muslim conquests
Christianity tore the heart out of Europe and replaced it with it's own. Legit cannot defend Charle's massacre of Saxons by any stretch, nor the Church's closing of schools of philosophy
>>Literally all of WWI
>>One world war is simply not enough dead Europeans for the eternal kraut
not remotely Germany's fault
>>Starts WWII, killing tens of millions of whites
Reactionaries of many sorts were very justified, but Nazis were full retard in many aspects
>>Effectively makes nationalism a fringe taboo belief
that is a leftist problem, not to be blamed on their opponents
>>Merkel decides to fulfill the inborn wish of every proud German to forever destroy the European peoples
Modern Germany is an abortion and mistake

>>34375715
this

God I hate summer

>>34383584

This. Literally every side did a lot of bad shit ranging from Soviet purges/repression, the British Empire, etc. The difference is that they Germans literally had a plan for the systematic extermination of over a hundred million people because they literally didn't consider them to be human. Throwing a guy in a gulag because he criticized Stalin or firing on a crowd of Indian independence activists doesn't compare to shit like the Hunger Plan in the slightest.

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The second world war is full of amazing stories from the Germans but you can't fucking talk about them without at least 50 anti wehraboos shitting everything up. I get the feeling they were the kids who asked mommy for Russian surplus uniforms so they could pretend to be ebin Russian special forces

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>OP makes a feels thread with generic anime grill
>It's actually yet another thinly veiled wehraboo thread
>/pol/ gets mad when people don't circlejerk about muh brave jerries on a fucking American imageboard

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>>34386252
>Soviets were our allies remember! We joined the war because we needed to save Anne Frank, not because some gooks bombed our port!

>>34386089
Generalplan Ost was pretty fucking crazy but even the middle of the war where tensions and extremism were at their highest Realpolitik was very present with Croatian and Baltic and Ukrainian allies

Not defending it, just pointing out that the end result would have probably been more philanthropic than Manifest Destiny.

>>34375166
>There is no /leftypol/
Oh but there is, it's called the communism general in /pol/, along with the crossboarding of infinite chan and half chan

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>>34387194
>ooga booga bix joos

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>>34387490
>it's 2017 (the Current Year™)
>literal Marxists are attacking people in the streets, BLM is rioting with near impunity, and Europe is seeing a demographic replacment
>he thinks you have to be some sort of Naziboo to not recognize that we toppled the Third Reich because they were acting like niggers and not that we were some sort of leftist-loving jew-loving entity that didn't immediately fill the Axis' role in halting Communism

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>>34387542
>Implying OP isn't a wehraboo
>Implying I'm not shitting on wehraboos out of nationalistic pride in the U S A
>Being retarded

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>>34387591
>>Implying OP isn't a wehraboo
the story of the 12th and 6th Armies are objectively tragic
>>Implying I'm not shitting on wehraboos out of nationalistic pride in the U S A
a noble sentiment but get with the times grandpa, railing on Reactionaries stopped being cool after the last two dozen events were communists and non-whites ruined everything
>>Being retarded
no u bichniga

>>34387642
>the story of the 12th and 6th Armies are objectively tragic
So's most of the stuff that people poke fun at in all of the violent webms posted to this site. Your point?
>get with the times grandpa
Muh current year.
>communists and non-whites ruined everything
They've always ruined everything they touch, that's no reason not to shit on the other turds of the world.

>>34387490
>>34387591
would you tell Patton to fuck off with his antisemitism?

>>34387759
>Your point?
that he is necessarily a wehraboo
>Muh current year.
a point to me
>They've always ruined everything they touch, that's no reason not to shit on the other turds of the world.
either get your priorities straight or go hang out with r/anarchism

>>34387783
*he is not

>>34387773
I'd tell him to put that effort towards shitting on the Axis a little harder.

>>34387783
>he is (not) necessarily a wehraboo
OP's exhibiting textbook wehraboo activity but if you want to halfass this and move towards relativism then whatever.
>get your priorities straight
USA > everything and if you don't like it you can get >>>/out/

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>>34387869
>I'd tell him to put that effort towards shitting on the Axis a little harder.
he fucking led an army against them, what the FUCK more do you want from him?
>OP's exhibiting textbook wehraboo activity but if you want to halfass this and move towards relativism then whatever.
sounds like your witchhunting because someone else wasn't as blindly hateful as you were
>USA > everything and if you don't like it you can get >>>/out/
sure thing partner, and I'll repeat the statements made by /ourguy/ general

now shoo and go hang out with your mongol commie friends

>>34388356
>he fucking led an army against them, what the FUCK more do you want from him?
A little bit more, which is no more than he asked of his men.
>sounds like your witchhunting
Yeah you'd know all about that wouldn't you Jerry?
>go hang out with your mongol commie friends
Being a patriotic American I have no such friends but that was a great attempt to get some buzzwords to stick, very Soviet of you.

>>34388522
>A little bit more, which is no more than he asked of his men.
Patton is a million times more the American than you will ever be
>Yeah you'd know all about that wouldn't you Jerry?
nein, i have that Anglo-Saxon Concept of Justice™ :^)
>Being a patriotic American I have no such friends but that was a great attempt to get some buzzwords to stick, very Soviet of you.
Patton disagrees :^)

>>34388554
>Patton is a million times more the American than you will ever be
OK. That doesn't have anything to do with that line of discussion, but OK.
>i have that Anglo-Saxon Concept of Justice
Patton disagrees, according to him you're all a bunch of cucks now that the Asiatics own you.

>>34388661
>>Patton is a million times more the American than you will ever be
>OK. That doesn't have anything to do with that line of discussion, but OK.
yes it does, you ask more of him while being less yourself, claiming your concept of Americanism is more validated than his
>>i have that Anglo-Saxon Concept of Justice
>Patton disagrees, according to him you're all a bunch of cucks now that the Asiatics own you.
he himself said we all but lost the war

>>34388825
>claiming your concept of Americanism is more validated than his
Now you're just making things up. Patton's job was to kill people and break things, it's not unreasonable to ask him to give a little bit more for the folks back home.
>he himself said we all but lost the war
He said we (the US) lost because Europe got cucked by the snowchinks. We (the US) are still the city on the hill.

>>34388877
>Now you're just making things up. Patton's job was to kill people and break things, it's not unreasonable to ask him to give a little bit more for the folks back home.
Patton owes them shit, because he's a fucking US Army General. He was Ol Blood and Guts.
>>34388877
>He said we (the US) lost because Europe got cucked by the snowchinks
and this was revealed to be far more a problem than a German fit of autistic screeching.
Patton was Red Pill as fuck, and you should look at what ideologies were actually at play rather than a retrospective backlash against racism, especially in the current political climate.

>>34388949
>Patton owes them shit
Actually Patton owes them everything because they supplied the people & money that made it possible for him to accomplish what he did and the fact that you don't understand that is frankly hilarious.
>racism
A thing that nobody but you is talking about, which kind of makes it hard to see you as anything but a buttmad /pol/fag which implies buttmad wehraboo which explains why you're white knighting.

>>34389096
>"as a true american i can feel absolutly nothing but rage towards the german army fighting the soviet union"
>posts *the* American nationalists who expressed huge sympathy for Germany and hatred for many of Germany's enemies
>"well i guess he's not a real American Nationalist then"
admit it, you're trying to reconcile a modern PC narrative of WW2 with actual proof of Patton's, and likewise those huge amounts of supporters from his ranks and failing hard.

>>34389207
>"as a true american i can feel absolutly nothing but rage towards the german army fighting the soviet union"
Who are you quoting?

>>34389260
>>Implying I'm not shitting on wehraboos out of nationalistic pride in the U S A
>self described outright shitposting against the Wehrmacht for the sake of a misunderstood American Nationalism

>>34377015
Is this a joke or are there actual cuckunist white knights on here? Lmao

>>34375135
If someone disagrees with you do you just accuse them of being a jew lol

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>>34375416

>>34389303
>"rage" becomes "misunderstood American Nationalism"
hmmmm

>>34389570
>outright shitposting against
>rage
not all that dissimilar

>>34389614
>I didn't move the goalpost that far! At least I didn't switch from my basic bitch tactic of trying to attach labels to discredit you because I don't like what you say!

>>34375111
What makes you think we wouldn't have vaporized every single slant in this country if we didn't have the upper hand the whole war?

>>34389739
so what i am gathering is, and correct me if i am wrong, is that you concede that
>you're trying to reconcile a modern PC narrative of WW2 with actual proof of Patton's, and likewise those huge amounts of supporters from his ranks and failing hard
but you weren't really
>shitting on wehraboos out of nationalistic pride in the U S A
or at least that your
nationalistic pride in the U S A
was misunderstood now that i showed you that the OG Patton was RP as fuck

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>>34375416
WEHRABOOS BTFO

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>>34389809
>correct me if i am wrong
I am correcting you, you are wrong. You'll be wrong so long as you keep acting like anyone but you is talking about racism. While you're at it please stop pretending that EVERYONE hasn't heard everything Patton has to say thanks to the History channel.

>>34375416
>Germans conquer the 'empire'
>kill all the cowardly scholars
>Christendom was fragmented before Luthor (Orthodox)
>Germans invade and conquer
>Germans invade and conquer and kill jews
>Anglos and Slavs team up to kick their asses, set up propaganda that constantly says nationalism is literally for nazis
>one woman (only half German ethnically) gets elected and makes stupid ass decisions.

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>>34389928
so please enlighten me on how hatred towards the Wehrmacht is for REAL patriots while the opposite is for traitors while Patton provides the perfect counter to this?

>>34373921
>artillery gunners that fought to the death so that women and children could cross the bridge

What's this story? I don't see it on Wikipedia.

>>34390005
>so please enlighten me on how hatred towards the Wehrmacht is for REAL patriots
Guess who grew up minus 1 grandfather because Charlie Chaplin's evil twin decided a war would be fun. I'm sure that you know the Germans came up with some dope weapons in WWII Anon, but it seems like you've compartmentalized and disassociated the fact that they used them too.
>Patton provides the perfect counter to this
Patton says that the Russians are worse and that's about it.

>>34390005

Because they were the enemy in the war? Maybe daddy Patton isn't all he's cracked up to be. You can't call yourself a patriot while sympathizing with the enemy cause, especially when that cause is antithetical to everything your country supposedly stands for.

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>>34373921

>>34380037

>hurr durr i luv nazy cock
>muh solder's honor

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>>34375206
Up Shut

>>34391647
What the fuck am i looking at

>>34391792
calico bullpup pistol

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>>34373921
Fuck Germany. They literally wanted to exterminate other white people and up to this day we cannot express patriotism without someone crying "racism" thanks to those german cuckolds.

>>34391647
>Make the magazine long enough to use as a stock
>Your move, ATF

>>34391647
I'm reporting this to the ATF