EU TO DEVELOP 6TH GENERATION FIGHTER

>>34372205
Shitty, and extremely late just like every other project in recent memory.
Ruined by France's toddler attitude and Europe's lack of knowledge of even 5th gen aviation

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>>34372205
>EU
Yeah which country. Doubt they will do better than the Eurocopter. Also good luck funding this when their R&D budget for any nation over there is nil.

>>34372205

>EU 6th gen fighter
>Lockmart logo on plane

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>>34372205
>EU already planning on a 6th generation
>US hasn't even formally adopted a 5th generation yet

it will have computer systems that will indicate the direction of Mecca at all angles in the air

>>34372205
>6th gen Europoor fighter
>Lockmart logo on it
ok

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>>34372318
Anon, I wish it were 2004 but it isn't.

>>34372318
>implying science won't be banned in Europe in our lifetime
>implying taxdollars are going to be anything other than mohammad bux.
Not going to happen.

>>34372205
Yes, that's what a 6th gen looks like!
Fucking blue neon lights with gold trim!
What does it carry? 500lb dildos?
(Don't want to be near that blast zone)
EU KYS

>>34372205
Why is there a cockpit?

>>34372404
>you will never kill someone with a kinetic impacter dildo from one hundred thousand feet

>>34372205
Is that airplane Halal?

>>34372413
Have you tried?
>doubting Thomas over here

>>34372441
Yes. Unfortunately, the balls throw off your aim. And it's not really a dildo without the balks.

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>>34372319
>Call for prayer broadcasts 3 times a day
>On board AI is a holographic Cortana in a hijab
>Voice commands and targetting must include the word Allah
>"Allah strike down the infidel F-35 with Sidewinders!"
OH IT'S TOO GOOD

TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE AHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHA

>>34372457
Foiled by the balls again

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>>34372458
>you run out of munitions and plan to return to base
>Hijab Cortana takes over and sends the plane in a dive toward the enemy
>cockpit sealed so you may be delivered to allah

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>>34372458
>now hearing Danger Zone as sung with an Arab accent and those terrorist strings playing in the background

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>>34372318

>>34372205
For stealth invasion of poland?

European jet engine design is so painfully behind Yank and even Vatnik engineering that this will be little more than yet another ambitious euro-project proposal that they'll kick about for a few years before getting into petty disputes and then shelve indefinitely.

>>34372205
>2017
>cockpits on new fighter development

The moment the human is removed from the aircraft, you can start doing ridiculous shit like pull more G's than a missile.

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>>34372848

>>34372759
>European jet engine design is so painfully behind Yank
Well yeah, Amerifats spend the equivalent of mid-sized country's GDPs on military research so this isn't shocking

>and even Vatnik engineering
Bullshit. Have you seen the tolerances on even the newest of Russian jet engines? I'm confident that Rolls Royce, Volvo, Snecma could outdesign every engine design Bureau in Russia.

>EU to get together to possibly maybe talk about potentially making a sixth gen maybe.

Fixed for you op

>>34372517
>Hiiiiigh way bring us toward zone of danger!
>Praying to allhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah inside the zone of danger!

>>34372863
explain?

>>34372205
>that image
>can see the Lockmart logo at the bottom
>EU flag put on it
>tons of neon blue orange bullshit

lol y tho

>that retarded engine design and placement

I hate concept artists with a passion

>>34372205
On today's episode of "I don't understand how drag and lift work" we're going to put a bunch of serrated intakes in the middle of an airframe.

At least the EU didn't put solar panels on it.

>>34372458
>On board AI is a holographic Cortana in a hijab
Is it wrong that I want this?
Because I want this.

>>34373021
>>34373049
autism

>British are out because Brexit
>Germany will have tons of demands for the aicraft
>France will fuck off and build their own design
>Only the Luftwaffe and a few other tiny air forces will operate them
>They will try to sell them to other nations, who will be too busy buying cheap Saabs or Sukhois

>>34372205
>What will a 6th gen Eurofighter look like and what will its potential capabilities be?
Drone.

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>>34372458
One wonders what features the US 6th geb will have to accommodate the fact that the US will be far below 50% white by the time it is introduced, unlike Europe and designed by engineers taught in the worlds most SJW infested universities.
>melamine scanner in helmet, extends anti-privilege dildo in seat if to little melamine detected
>flight suit designed to allow for sharting should you pass over the airspace of a mart
>voice command in ebonics or spanish only
>warning messages are in nigspeak, "ay ay, hol up nigga, we be tracked by radars n sheeeeit!"
>worlds most sophisticated sensor to detect the race of the opposing pilot will replace IFF, authorization to fire against non whites will be denied and announced by the plane chanting Black Lives Matter
>cockpit over a five foot wide do accommodate for average US pilot weight of 450 pounds

One thing will be sure, the air combat of tomorrow will be interesting to behold.

>>34374929
>Melamine

Are all third worlders brain damaged or is this simply the might of European education?

>>34372205
Is this before or after they put out the car fires, capitulate to vehicular manslaughter and lose their cultural identity?

>>34372205
>combination of manned and unmanned systems
The fuck does this mean? That it will be optionally manned or that it will be a drone controller?

>>34374956
That it can serve as both i.e. autonomously or unpiloted, or with a pilot taking manual control of it. Its what we are trying to accomplish with the F/A XX.

>>34372848
An aircraft cabable of that is going to have to allocate a lot of weight to be able to do that and still fly it's +9000h
Is it worth it?

>>34372205
It will be everything but cost effective.

>>34372759
>European jet engine design is so painfully behind Yank and even Vatnik engineering

That's fucking wrong you retard.

>>34374929
I want you to think hard about this Anon, but have you ever seen a GEM in a fighter pilot? No, you haven't because no government no matter how cucked is going to let one be in control of an asset that expensive.

>>34375017
*GEM as a

>>34375027
the fuck is a GEM?

>>34375016
excellent argument.

>>34374972
What's the point? if you can make it unmanned, make it completely unmanned and it would be much smaller and more capable.

>>34372205
>6th gen
>pilots still existing

All about them drones bro

>>34375084
No worse than yours. Any argument made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

>>34375218
The only reason they'll go optionally manned before full unmanned is that many of the top brass are former fighter jocks who'll whine and make decisions on account of "muh culture" rather than what is actually strategically better.

>>34375266
Im not the one who made the first post you shithead, im just saying that neither of you have made any good arguments to back your claims

>>34372205
So the US has been designing a 6th gen for like 10 years now.

Also, Europe can't even make their own 5th gen, what makes them think they can just skip to a 6th Feb?

>Another joint Euro design project

I love this meme

>>34375554
Good ole fashioned European arrogance.

>>34375568
>implying

Its not arrogance desu. As a western Euro, ill admit that its more ego-protective delusion than anything else. We're just trying to let ourselves think that we are still on par with other world powers in all aspects when the truth is that Euro bickering will guarantee that we lag behind unified monoliths such as the US, and soon enough, China.

>>34372205
My dad works at Eurofighter, the Germans will be "buying in" to the Anglo-French UCAV project and trying to convince the Swedes to join in.

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Why develop a massively expensive "stealth" jet when you can sneak 5 or 6 of pic related in a reasonably big tanker and unleash them on a unsuspecting enemy in a massive all aout false flag attack.

Pic related: Skinny Boy

>>34375777
Because it's a fucking plane for training?

>>34375801
It can mount ordnance dumbo.
Apparently a gun and 7 hardpoints my nagga

France will demands that a naval version be produced, one they might as well be the only one to buy/build.
>Yeah sure ok.
It'll get greenlighted and since France will be spending its own money to make the naval variant they'll ask to be the sole builder.
>Das ist verboten, Frankreich.
Germany will sperg out about how all the Euro cuntries will have to build the naval stealth plane because muh equality. France will threaten to leave if the quality is shit and the delay aren't respected.
>Yeah, sure whatever.
Quality is shit, parts are delayed, France throw a bitch fit and leave to make the plane like they wanted.
Gets called a cunt by the rest of the EU even though their parts on the regular plane are on time and of the required quality.

>>34375598
>US
>united

Alright, so we all know that european cooperations invariably suck and so do european armies and that whatever the americans would be willing to sell to us would be way better and cheaper (not to mention what they would use themselves).

But just to play devils advocate:
In the interest of (limited) military independence from the US, producing our own plane is actually a reasonable endeavour. And considering that it's range of uses and adversaries will be much smaller, it need not be as good as what the americans use. Basically, we don't need to be as good as the americans, we just need to be better than russia at a price we can afford. Considering how russia does these days, that should be entirely possible.

Also, the continued existence of germany by the time this thing becomes operational is doubtful, but the government can't admit that obviously. So it actually does make sense from their perspective.

>>34375874
I think the sucess of this project would be determined by which side won over the eastern EU countries, namely Poland.
>If I build this shit will I be able to kill russians with it?
>Yes, but you cannot...
>Where do I sign?

>>34375554
Europe never tried to develop a 5th gen fighter. Who says Airbus, Leonardo, BAE, Saab and Dassault are not able to make one? The problem is not the capabilities of European defense industry but more the lack of a common European defense policy. If you look at European countries and the different types of fighters that are in service, it's ridiculous. Old Gripens, new Gripens, Rafales, several types of Mirages, different tranches of Eurofighters, different blocks of F-16s, legacy Hornets, Super Hornets, MIGs, Tornados and I probably forgot some too. I don't like the idea of a European army but there is a lot to be gained in terms of cooperation between countries (and defense contractors) that would increase the efficiency and capabilities of the European militaries as a whole. It would be nice if European countries could put aside their protectionism and develop a common replacement for their air superiority fighters, since the F-35 has already taken up the spot as future bomb truck.

>>34376030
All of those airplanes use interchangeable systems though. Interchangeable parts and combined logistics would be nice, sure, but the main problem is probably the cost of keeping each countrys arms industry nice and juicy.

>>34372285
They are going to leapfrog 5th gen by buying f-35s.

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>>34372205
did they copy that straight from gi joe?

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>>34374943
How else would you recognise a chinese pilot?

>>34372491
God the Skylon better be built soon. I'll be fucking mad if Reaction Engine loses the SABRE design.

>>34376030
>Europe never tried to develop a 5th gen fighter.
The Brits had a project/concept before they opted for the F-35. The Germs had some stealth fighter design studies too. I've seen 3D renders of some frog stealth fighter proposals as well, and the Swedish Caliphate also had some program, Flygsystem 2020 or some shit.

>>34375017
Whilst his story was gay, it's not impossible. The point being made that shitskins will outnumber whites should explain his scenario's strange decision making.

>Let's study the natural effects of post apartheid South African democracy, for instance.

>>34376155
To be fair physics dictates many design points
which is why the higher the performance planes look so similar for function/application.

What make this so sad is the glowing colors make nonsense at all. And this GI Joe plane you posted has a better engine layout. As that EU engine layout will give insane power with that many compressors (but bleed most of it with so many intake points. Silly designer air can flow both ways ... smack) and better flight surface for maneuvering. But raw power like that will burn through the fuel so fast you may not reach the engagement zone and they is such things as too much power in a air superiority fighter which this looks like what it is trying to be. At least GI Joe's design looks like a decent long range hyper sonic bomber/recon.

>>34376094
France isn't buying F35s
Germany isn't buying F35s
Sweden isn't buying F35s

So what the fuck are you talking about lad

>>34375874
Its also beneficial to domestic industry to as they get to keep knowhow sharp and up to date. Though I wonder if what we produce would be good enough to challenge Su-50s, F22s,Qaher 313s or even J-20s

>>34376183
Kek

>>34376234
Isnt the Flygsystem 2020 project still in the works?

>>34376234
But none of them got/get serious funding and so far nothing went past the conceptual design phase. It's practically impossible for a single country to develop a 5th gen fighter anyway. Even the French said so, and they're usually #1 when it comes to protectionism.

>>34376291
Germany will likely get the F-35 as Tornado replacement

>>34376333
>Qaher 313
lmao did you just seriously say that?

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>>34372205
The EU will collapse before this is even finished.

Secreencap this.

>>34372295
>Eurocopter
Eurocopter was a fuck up and a half.

Eurofighter was kind of OK, but the brits ended up stripping everything out everything but the engines and creating something better.

>>34372322
Lockmart operates a separate entity in the UK, they're building the brits new recon vehicle.

>>34372491
>>34376206
Its kind of sad that britain has a shuttle replacement, spaceport plans and america doesn't.

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>Britain out of EU and already have F-35, cooperating with Japan on Stealth technology
>France will tell Germans to fuck off when they find it won't have CATOBAR then make their own design
>This leaves Germany and Sweden which made the memeplane that is the Gripen
>Will literally have to bribe poor African counties to sell their plane
>They will struggle to into stealth
>It will be plagued with controversy

Their only option really is to buy the F-35 or fuck up

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Who will pilot those? Muslims and trannies thats who. Pathetic eurocucks.

>its another /pol/ episode

>the brits ended up stripping everything out everything but the engines and creating something better.
wat

>>34376815
This isn't a EU project. The EU would help funding, but OP is quoting it wrong. Of course the Brits are involved if it's about a Typhoon-replacement.

Your scenario would leave all of the countries involved without a 5th gen air superiority platform, so there are no winners when that happens.

It looks nice, but that's all it's got.

>>34376350
Well, FS2020 is more of a R&D project, and isnt scheduled to result in any aircraft.

Also rather certain that the Dassault Neuron is what's the closest result of the FS2020. In case you werent aware, the two main countries in nEuron UCAV are Sweden and France.

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>>34372205
Excuse me but doesn't every new "gen" of aircraft bring something new to the table?

Gen 1 where just aircrafts - primarily scouting

Gen 2 we added guns to aircrafts and they could shoot each other

Gen 3 we added jet engines instead of propellers

Gen 4 was about missiles

Gen 5 is now about stealth

What would Gen 6 have? Energy shields?

>>34376662
>Germany will likely get the F-35 as Tornado replacement

Nope, they've specifically said they're going to develop their own EU project for that too :^)

>>34377078
Great, then we can start phasing out the Tornados by 2050.

>>34377078
Germany alone could never develop something similar to F-35. Plus there really aren't any other large countries in Europe they could work with or sell to, since Italy and the UK already opted for the F-35 (albeit the UK not as direct replacement for the Tornado, they might do that later).

Plus Germany already asked for a classified briefing on the F-35.

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>>34376815
>How dare you insult such a fine aircraft.
The Gripen is a skywriters dream, it got the prefect balance of speed and spacing for writing whole paragraphs in the sky. I can finally do calligraphy, could never do that with my Grumman Ag Cat.

>>34377056
Probably drone fighters.

>>34377129
They literally approached Airbus for a replacement.

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>>34372205
Maybe the EU can buy Turkish TFX fighters?

>>34374737
Engineering.

>>34372205
Yeah.... it's not gonna happen. Euro countries are too busy burning away piles of cash providing welfare to refugees to give a damn about developing a 6th gen combat aircraft.

>>34377241
>Maybe Turkey can buy the european TFX fighters?

ftfy

>>34377398
>ftfy

No, you're misunderstanding. Turkey, along with help from the UK, is developing the TFX.

Since we both know that the EU's fighter will be delayed the EU could just buy the Turkish plane if they don't want an American one.

>>34377241
Turkey needs a new air superiority fighter (they currently only have F4 and F16) and the F35 is no air superiority fighter. Europe already has the Eurofighter and doesn't need an immediate replacement for it, but rather for the Tornados and other bomb trucks. F35 would be a good solution as its already available.
The TFX will certainly have delays and 2023 as introduction date is really optimistic. Maybe it will later become an intermediate replacement for the Typhoon.

>>34377184
>it's drone time

No, Skynet!
No!

>>34376277

It's concept art man it's supposed to look cool not functional, the guy probably has an associates degree from a community college

>>34377056

From Air Force Magazine (2009)

>6: extreme stealth, morphing capability, smart skins, highly networked, extremely sensitive sensors, optionally manned, directed energy weapons

>>34375554
>So the US has been designing a 6th gen for like 10 years now.

I am not going to lie, that sounds awful.

>>34374990
No.

The USN already think 9g isn't worth it.

Drones are a meme

>>34372205
The US and Commonwealth shall band together to make a better 6th gen just to spite them!

>>34374929
Trying too hard

>>34379916
>morphing capability
We voltron now?

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>>34375072
Gentleman of enhanced melanin.