How many seconds would the USA last in a nuclear war against

Summoning Oppenheimer.

>>34363038
Better scenario. How will America survive against Russia's fleet of star destroyers, or antimatter bombs.

About the same realism as above scenario.

>pentagon

Pretty damn long. My father worked there and took me in back in high school. Holy shit. It is a labyrinth. Took three different elevators going straight down until we walked a half mile to get to his office. I have no idea the actual scale of that thing, but it's got to be massive. My ears were popping on the elevator rides.

>>34363067
>he thinks cobalt enriching is fantasy

Keep thinking technology hasn't evolved since the 60s. Keep replaying that one scenario in your head where the kwan wins the Vietnam war after a limited scale nuclear escalation.

When nuclear radiation starts raining on your social housing you can crawl in fetal position and believe whatever you want to believe. It won't make you survive the fallout of a slavic continent buster but it will make you feel better as you pass away.

>>34363198

Somewhere a slav was slowly stroking himself as he wrote this.

>>34363198
>slavic continent buster
Is that what they call the fall of the union?

>>34363198
>Slavic continent buster
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH

>>34363206
That's right kid. In 1960 we were already generating a 8km wide ball of fire that exploded windows 1000km away. But don't worry we magically stagnated right after that.

Superweapons don't exist. No it's all good old tech from WW2 that would barely suffice to destroy a city. Just close your eyes and imagine we're entering a golden age of peace and capitalism forever.

Just close your eyes and drink that cool aid.

>>34363251

>muh Tsar Bomba

Put one on an ICBM and I might be more impressed

>>34363281
Yeah it's almost like there was 50 years to figure out a solution when technology evolved at lightning speed between both world wars.

You're unaware of this massive leap because most of it is behind closed doors, top secret. We get a few sneak peaks every now and then but most Americans 'experts' are in complete denial.

>>34363038
You're asking the wrong questions, OP.

A better question is, "How long would Russia survive if Russia fired a bunch of nukes" or "How long America would survive if America launched a bunch of nukes?"

Mutually Assured Destruction, and stuff like that.

>>34363251
The problem is you think that advancement = bigger, and lighter nukes.

It doesn't.

Advancement = Smaller, more accurate nukes.

>>34363598
This.

The entire reason first gen ICBMs had huge payloads (Atlas and Titan for example had 4MT warheads) was due to horrible inaccuracy. If you miss by multiple miles, may as well use a bigger bomb.

The first H-Bombs were so huge because they couldn't make them any smaller.

Nowadays, if you just want to hit a target a meter wide, does it matter if you use a 100kt or a 10kt? Target destroyed, no waste. Smaller warheads, so you pack more. Or more countermeasures. Or make them on a smaller, cheaper launching platform. Or a million other advantages.
The main thing in fact, that nuclear weapons research has been doing for the last 30 years is to make them safer, easier to store, more reliable and cheaper to maintain / ready. Because they're good enough.

>>34363630
>The main thing in fact, that nuclear weapons research has been doing for the last 30 years is to make them safer, easier to store, more reliable and cheaper to maintain / ready. Because they're good enough.
The sentence that says it all on your level of delusions

Did you type this with a straight face? This shit is out there with claims like 'refugees improve our economy' or 'we're going to live healthier and longer than previous generations' in the hall of mainstream self delusions.

>>34363038
OP doesn't know that US has unified commands all over the globe.
even if those Russians destroy US Homeland(and probably Canada) and Northern Command,
EUCOM(europe), PACOM(pacific) and SSBN under STARCOM command will take revenge.

in short, Russian, Chinese or any short minded faggots declaring Nuclear war will lose anyway

>>34363232
Oh fucking kek, you made me nearly choke on my drink.

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>>34363198
>slavic continent buster

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>>34363038
>How many seconds would the USA last in a nuclear war against Russia?

The US has total nuclear supremacy to Russia thanks to the super fuses the US has installed on their submarine borne nuclear weapons.

http://thebulletin.org/how-us-nuclear-force-modernization-undermining-strategic-stability-burst-height-compensating-super10578

The US could nuke Russia, destroy most of their nuclear arsenal within 7 minutes and Russia would only have ~200 nuclear weapons left to use in a retaliation strike, the remaining nukes, along with Russian nuke's bad accuracy and the US's nuclear defenses would mean that the damage Russia could do to the US would be negligible.


Pic unrelated. Just wanted to post the gun.

>>34363671
refute it

>responding to this guy
Don't feed him, it'll only encourage him to shit up actual nuke threads more

>>34363671
We're waiting
>>34364065

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>>34363671
>This shit is out there with claims like 'refugees improve our economy' or 'we're going to live healthier and longer than previous generations' in the hall of mainstream self delusions.
Is it next to 'Russia is still a viable power capable of posing a serious conventional threat to America?'.

>>34364065
>>34364617
I have all the links but too lazy to find my old posts where I compiled the best ones.

If you want I can link you to a trusted frequency that covers the decline of western nuclear defense.

>>34363038
Firing back with everything we have glassing every meter of Russia 5 times over
If America goes down everyone's come down with us

>>34364888
Russia's anti missile system is the only functioning one in the world.

They would most likely manage to block it.

>>34364902
1) its only around Moscow
2) its only capable of stopping a handful of interceptors.

>>34364918
*handful of RVs.

Sorry.

>>34364766
>I have all the links but too lazy to find my old posts where I compiled the best ones.
Well stop being lazy and start looking.
>western nuclear defense
good thing this talks about offensive use of nukes

>>34364039
I wonder if Israel has stolen those fuses yet.

They had the director of "Fight Club" use the shekels from his movie destroying the goy youth to fund buying some other American nuclear triggers to smuggle back to Israel.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/26/showbiz/hollywood-producer-israel-spy-agency/

>>34363038
>How many seconds would the USA last in a nuclear war against Russia?
A couple days

>>34365065
Probably not. They dont have anything they would fit on

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>>34364902
It only protects Moscow
And if we launched a fair amount of nukes which we have plenty to spare there's 99% chance one would make it through
For someone who talks about drinking koolaid you really over estimate the ability of nuclear defense systems

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>>34363198
>Vatnik saying someone else lives in social housing

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>>34364902
>>34365111
furthmore it's only capable of stopping icbms that travel around 4-5 km/s while americas icbms can travel on average 7-8
If nuclear war breaks no meter of soil in Russia or America will be left untouched

>>34363038
Seeing as they would be detonated mid flight by lasers. Indefinitely.

>>34365050
I mean both when I say that. Don't be a sperg.

I'm tired I still can't sleep. I'm working on plans for a bunker. If you're ready for it I can give you the link to my favorite blog. It has thousands of links compiled that shows exactly what I've been saying. From trusted newsource.

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>>34363251

>>34363372
>You're unaware of this massive leap because most of it is behind closed doors, top secret
In that case tungsten rods rain on Russia utterly devastating it The Killing Star style while the secret SDI network destroys what pitiful retaliation can be launched with space lasers. I don't need proofs because yank space magic.

>>34363198
This is your brain on vodka.

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>>34363251
>calling someone kid in an attempt to sound condescending

>>34363198
slaviboos are officially WE WUZ KANGZ tier

>>34363865

fuckin lol

>>34363038
7-10 minutes

I don't know, but during the Cold War, only the USSR had detailed plans on how the remaining government and military should operate after the global nuclear exchange.

>>34364039
Only skimmed the article, so might be a stupid question.
The article, and you, assumes that the US knows the exact precise location of every Russian land based silo. Otherwise this fuse doesn't make 100% lethal hits. Is that true?

>>34366790
>, only the USSR had detailed plans on how the remaining government and military should operate after the global nuclear exchange.
This is not accurate


>assumes that the US knows the exact precise location of every Russian land based silo.
They do.

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>>34366790
>I don't know, but during the Cold War, only the USSR had detailed plans on how the remaining government and military should operate after the global nuclear exchange.

Are you seriously suggesting only the USSR had continuity of government/operations plans in place for the Cold War? I would argue that the Soviets were worse prepared compared to the Western powers: Rigidly bureaucratic, heavily centralized authoritarian governments don't tend to be able to organize very effectively after a conflict when all the bunkers they were hiding in to the north of Moscow get cracked open by W-53 warheads.

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>>34363232
Oh mein sides

>Sir, we've had reports of a terrifying new Soviet superweapon that leaves buildings intact but destroys people, the government and the military.
>It's called a centralized economy

>>34366956
>Rigidly bureaucratic, heavily centralized authoritarian governments
aka US government

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>>34363038
>>34363198
>>34363251
>>34363372
>>34363671
>>34364902

thank you

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>>34363251
>In 1960 we were already generating a 8km wide ball of fire that exploded windows 1000km away

Russia: The nation that could build 50 megaton H bombs, but never quite figured out the intricacies of growing enough grain and potatoes to feed its people. Ironically, the USSR did pretty much meet its cold war economic peak at around the late 50's/ early 60's. From then onward, it was just a slow, agonizing rot till just a military husk remained by the 80's.

>>34366857
>>34366956
>USSR v America post war
It's possible I'm misremembering, but I'm pretty sure I saw some claims that the Soviet military was the only one prepared on what to do if the world nuked itself to pretty much oblivion.
But it's also possible that only the Soviet plans were declassified or at least confirmed to exist, so I'll drop it.

>>34366857
I don't doubt that the US knows in which military compounds and objects Russia keeps their operational silos, but for the fuse to be effective they need the precise location of the silo. Do you have any proofs for that?

People in this thread debating about nukes as if they were conventional weapons. If Russia and the US have a full-scale nuclear war, the amount of energy liberated by 500+ simultaneous detonations may throw the earth off its orbit. Or create a massive cloud of dust blocking direct sunlight. The point is, EVERYONE would be fucked, no matter who wins the war.

MAD is called that way for a reason.

>>34367021
Nor could they discover a means of transporting said 'bombs'.

>>34367027
>Do you have any proofs for that?

You are aware that multiple treaties have been signed that detail the location of land based missiles and nuclear weapon storage areas for the US and USSR/Russia (including Lat and Long), correct? Not to mention that there's been almost 75 years of espionage and recon.

>>34367035
Fuck off.

>>34363281

That was the whole point of the Proton rocket.

But given its current reliability record, I'm not sure I'd put *anything* more expensive than a sandwich on it…

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>>34367036

They did, and both ideas were hella retarded: One consisted of what would become the November class submarine, equipped with a single 1550mm torpedo tube for firing a 100 megaton torpedo, making it basically an ICBM which would take weeks to reach its target and could only hit coastal targets.

The rocket design which would eventually become the Proton family was dreamed up as a super-ICBM for lobbing 100 megaton warheads at the USA, but it's such a stupidly unnecessary size they shelved it early.

>>34367109
>4 fucking stages
spacex can get to orbit with 1 1/2

>>34363232
Kek someone screenshot this for all the vatniks.

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>>34367027
>It's possible I'm misremembering,
You are.

> but for the fuse to be effective they need the precise location of the silo. Do you have any proofs for that?

Pic related.

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>>34367027
And an individual silo.
I can target individual structures at the facility, such as the hardened antenna, if needed.

>>34363198

>When nuclear radiation starts raining on your social housing you can crawl in fetal position and believe whatever you want to believe.

Yes you can if someone seals up their house and installs a proper filter in their air intake. There are ways around fallout exposure, even if it requires civilians to make investments in their homes, ones they are already making through things like home solar which provide off-grid power.

The biggest danger from nuclear warfare isn't the actual explosion or the long term fallout in the air. It's the firestorms it spawns which will rage out of control and cause most of the casualties. This is especially true as most Americans don't cut trees at their property line as they should.

>>34368101
>It's the firestorms it spawn
Firestorms are probably the exception rather than the rule.

>>34367151
>making it basically an ICBM which would take weeks to reach its target and could only hit coastal targets.

How is this retarded?
>US turns Russia into parking lot
>>That'll teach them russkies for messing with FREEDOM
>one month later the whole east and west coasts explode

>>34365177
> furthmore it's only capable of stopping icbms that travel around 4-5 km/s while americas icbms can travel on average 7-8


You can't even read your own text, kek. This is speed nubers for S-300V and S-400.

The A-135 flying with the 7mach+ Speed.

Not to mention the new S-500 and A-235 system which is going to enter in serial production in two years

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>>34368125
The value of a strategic nuclear weapon is in how fast it can be launched and how accurate it is. Also the November class was notoriously noisy and easy to track. You end up with a weapon that can only target certain sites, strikes long after the actual exchange is over, and is not economical when you consider that one weapon per sub is a terrible idea. It would be idiotic to go with the modified November over a hotel class boat that can strike quickly and relatively accurately, and provide an effective deterrent.

>>34368165
http://russianforces.org/blog/2012/10/very_modest_expectations_sovie.shtml

>As the Soviet documents clearly show, the system was never expected to offer anything but a very modest intercept capability - the currently deployed A-135 system was expected to intercept no more than 1-2 ballistic missiles.

>>34367151
> which would take weeks to reach its target and could only hit coastal targets.


What's make you think its need weeks? You can laid down those subs on the bottom of ocean and by command launch them when needs them.

loving these people talk about ABM like it actually has a 1.0 kill ratio. The point of ABM is to complicate the enemy's strike plans by throwing in the potential of RV shootdowns

>>34368225
>You can laid down those subs on the bottom of ocean and by command launch them when needs them.

You are a fucking idiot. If you ask me how, I'm just going to embarrass you, and then you will just stop posting.

So, either beg for me to embarrass you about your lack of intelligence, or stop posting. Your call.

>>34368225
These are November class boats, the first and LOUDEST nuclear boats the Soviet Navy had, also sitting on the sea floor is not necessarily conducive to hiding (though small diesel boats can do this better). The dynamics of sound travel underwater are complicated and the sea floor is not the best place to hide.

>>34368165
>country with baby tier economy still trying to compete in an arms race

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>>34368263

> November class boats

So what do they have in common with the project Status-6 a nuclear powered torpedos with 100mt warheads?

I'm talking exactly about them and you can lay them on ocean bottom.

It has its own nuclear reactor so doesnt need no sunshine, no diesel fuel and it can survive for years.

Then it can be launched by the command from the centre and start moving to the target. In 2-3 days it can reach it, i guess.

>>34368257
Not the vatnik fag, but please do go ahead and post it anyway. It'll be amusing to read.

>>34368349
>I'm talking exactly about them and you can lay them on ocean bottom.

You keep saying this like its the ideal place to hide a running nuclear reactor, its not. Also 2 or 3 three days is an eternity in a nuclear war.

>>34368114

American homes are made out of wood, and people don't trim their shrubs. It is a real concern.

>>34368404
Modern building codes and building materials mean that firestorms are not as likely as you would think.

Even the fact that they are wood, doesn't mean as much as you think. Wood chars, and paint burns. As the wood chars, its resistance to thermal effects is actually increasing. The smoke that is produced actually serves to shield the material behind it.
The end result is that as time increases, so does the woods resistance to the thermal effect. Without a source of direct heat, the wood is less likely to begin sustained combustion.
In order to get to a distance where the thermal pulse is sufficient to overpower the smokes effects, you have to close to a distance where the blast effects will snuff any sustained fires.

Firestorms are possible. But they are not likely.

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>>34368387
> You keep saying this like its the ideal place to hide a running nuclear reactor


Why not? How do you planning to find it at 1000m depth? Can you tell me this?

> Also 2 or 3 three days is an eternity in a nuclear war

Not really, most of the combat ships who's survived the first strike will unlikely leave their home ports in this short time.

>>34368349
>Then it can be launched by the command from the centre
What signal are you going to use? What system can you use that will penetrate 12,000 feet of water? (Average depth of the ocean.)

>>34368455

>Modern building codes and building materials mean that firestorms are not as likely as you would think.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oakland_firestorm_of_1991

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Bruno_pipeline_explosion

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yarnell_Hill_Fire

>>34367035
Sagan plz.

>>34368526
So, I know this might be hard for you to understand, but bear with me.

Do you understand that none of those were caused by nuclear explosions?

Do you understand that the thermal effects of nuclear explosions are different than the thermal effects of other phenomena?

Do you understand that situations with different circumstances will have different results?

I hope so. Otherwise you would be retarded.

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>>34368498
First off I have no idea how they are going to keep that reactor quiet, there's no room to install silencing measures. Second, learn how sound travels underwater.

>>34368526
There are 1.3 million fires in the US every year. you went back to 1991.

Between 1991 and now there were about 33 million fires in the us.

You found three firestorms. Tell me more about how common urban firestorms are in the US?

>>34368498
>will unlikely leave their home ports in this short time.

If there is a situation where nukes are used chances are it will be tense enough that the USN will already be at high readiness.

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>people are actually responding to him
dont encourage his autism

sage

>>34363038

Slavs have such a massive inferiority complex.

Just saying USA sends the slav into an autistic tantrum.

>>34363097
christ, how much is built underground there? Is it like 10 times the size of the surface building?

Russia is winning with its deadman switch. That's the cultural war. What need is there for a war against your own people?

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>>34371170
The outer edges of the Pentagon's subterranean complex extend underneath Stirling. I'll let you draw your own conclusions.

>>34373640
So the Pentagon is twice the size of Washington D.C.?

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>>34363038
It would be mutually assured destruction.

>>34363198
>Slavic continent buster

Well it certainly annihilated my sides

>>34373640
>Stirling
do you mean Sterling Va. If so fuck off back to /x. You can't even spell the city correctly yet you know secret govt plans that were built without anyone knowing.

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>>34368065
This facility is nearby. I am not sure if it's a command center or what but these facilities in this area do not appear to be fully operational. I'm some what a silo hunter and these look like most of the places I visit. Abandoned.

>>34363232
Fucking kek, lads