Weekend milsurp thread

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I have pics of my old post war Mas36 I found, and this one is so much nicer it's no comparison.

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Hey Arisuka, if you pass by can you give me an estimated manufacture date for a Koishikawa Type-38 long rifle with a serial of 212662? It's got a "00" prefix added to the serial, so I assume it's spent time as a school rifle.

Thanks.

does anyone know current market value for a polish ttc? Can't find any recent info.

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Pls no flip, posting from car.

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>>34361479
>phoneposting

>>34361456
http://oldmilitarymarkings.com/japanese_markings.html

What's a fair price for a turked G.88?

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Hiked my Ishapore into the Bob this weekend. Really sweet rifle to shoot and 308/7.62 NATO is easier to find than most milsurp calibers.

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>>34361915
Whoops. Here's one with the rifle in focus.

>>34361915

How much did it cost?

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>>34361488
Phone posters are the best posters.

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>>34361479
>Carlposting

>>34361866
>http://oldmilitarymarkings.com/japanese_markings.html
Doesn't break down serial ranges by year. I believe some of those dandy Japanese collector's books do, though.

>>34361897
>What's a fair price for a turked G.88?
$200-250.

>>34361915
>Hiked my Ishapore into the Bob this weekend.
>Google: hiking in the bob
>Bob Marshall Wilderness
That's absolutely beautiful, Anon. Sometimes I really get the feeling I should move out west.

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>>34361456
My book estimates that it was made about 1909.

The 00 prefix does signify it was sent to a school. It probably has the 文 stamped on the receiver?

Also, it's Tokyo Arsenal, not Koishkawa.

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>Remember to keep posting all those pic you've already posted in the last thread!

But I have more than those

>>34361998
Koishkawa is Tokyo Arsenal

>>34362043
No, it's Tokyo Arsenal. It was in the Koishkawa district of Tokyo, but it was always Tokyo Arsenal. Just like Nagoya Arsenal is called Nagoya Arsenal not Chigusa arsenal.

>>34361930
300 Burgerbux.
>>34361970
West is Best. Up here from Texas doing conservation work for the summer, and Montana is way more Texas than Texas. I'd post more photos but the file sizes are all too big.

>>34362062
Nagoya Arsenal wasn't in a single place though. It was in multiple areas of Nagoya. Don't sperg out because people use accepted alternatives for names.

>>34361846
Can someone help?

>>34362117
Google

Whats the going price of a refurbished 1952 tula russian sks?

Does anybody have one of those Hungarian Hi-Powers that Interarms imported back in the day? Are they nice?

>>34362155
450+ if not a leaf

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>>34361970

Carlposting is best posting. I love that Mauser.

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>>34362177
Swede Mauser best Mauser

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>>34361376
picking this up tomorrow, will post results

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>>34362223
wrong

So I'm looking to get some milsurp for my first rifle and I have some questions.
What are some good ones to buy and what prices should I try and get them for?
What are some good ammo brands and what prices are really good? Example: I saw a company called Monarch selling 20 rounds of 7.62x54r for 10 bucks as opposed to Tulammo which sells 20 for 20.
What are good places to get milsurp and are swap meets and gunshows good places
And how do I know if it's a rip off or not what should I look for?

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MAS Mle 1873 revolver converted to .22

No recoil whatsoever

>>34362312
Oh also, is milsurp a good idea for Nogunz 1st firearm or should I get something else?

>>34362312
hope you have a fat wallet. For your first milsurp rifle id recommend a south american mauser of some sort. For factory ammo I buy ppu they are inexpensive the brass is top notch if you want to reload. Your only real options for finding this stuff is to check your local gun stores a lot or going to gun shows or paying through the nose on gunbroker. The only way your going to know if your getting ripped off or not is buy doing research, theres not like rule or anything else that can help you there.

>>34362312
Auctions are amazing. I just got a sporterized Spanish Mauser, a sporterized Enfield in a really nice stock with a scope, and a Nylon 77 with a scope for $500

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>>34361998
>My book estimates that it was made about 1909.
Oh yes YES; I wanted a WW1-or-earlier vintage T38.

>It probably has the 文 stamped on the receiver?
It may have at one time, but no longer. 'Mum is scrubbed, so perhaps 文 went at the same time. Bolt assembly number matches floorplate number, so I'm hoping they are matching. Apparently the number on the bayonet lug is not the same. Has dust cover but no cleaning rod. A little rusty and dirty from the (very poor) pictures. We'll see what's what when I get it in my hands tomorrow morning.
>giggity

>>34362224
Sweeeet.

>>34362258
>600mm barrel
May as well be an Obrez desu.

>>34362370
sounds like you overpaid

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>>34362326
>is milsurp a good idea for Nogunz 1st firearm or should I get something else?
Depends on the milsurp. I think a .22 training rifle like pic related would be a great first firearm.

>>34362326
No, it's really not good for new shooters usually. It's expensive, ammo isn't cheap or easy to find a lot of the time, and for people who aren't accustomed to shooting they're usually less fun. Certainly less practical. Unless you're like me and have a raging history boner or are a hipster, stick something like a AR.

Also none of this applies to .22lr trainers that you can find. Those are great first time rifles and they qualify as milsurp. But they're usually fairly costly, compared to other .22s.

>>34362341
The LGS part is sadly a no go when finding firearms, no store in town sells surplus, and the only true LGS is Black Rifle which just sells Tacticool ARs, AKs and the occasional .50 bolt action. I'll wait for the swap meet in october and see about some gunshows. Any good literature or websites I should use for checking out and verifying older production rifles?

>>34362396

I've shot enough rifles helping my father sight them in for hunting and the occasional range trip but I wanted to pick myself up something new and that would actually be under my name. I've never really liked the idea of buying an AR (unless I'm making an M16A1 clone) and I really like old bolt rifles so this was just a thought for something I'd like to own.

>>34362439
Ok then, what's your budget, how much do you want to shoot, and are you going to get into reloading?

>>34362396
>implying you arnt also a hipster

>>34362536
My uncle might still have his old reloading supplies he will most likely give me if I ask him for it, he used to reload for his .44 iirc
My budget isn't set in stone seeing as I start my seasonal job on the 19th of july and will probably have a grand or so to spend
I don't know how often I'll shoot yet either.
Thanks for the help so far.

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>>34362379
>It may have at one time, but no longer. 'Mum is scrubbed, so perhaps 文 went at the same time.
They don't always have that. Sometimes the 'mum' was cancelled and the 文 was stamped under it. Sometimes they just canceled the 'mum' with the 文.

A matching school used Type 38 is pretty much unheard of. Or really any early Type 38.

I would love to see the pics of it!

>>34362390
Also this actually reminds me I really want a 10/22 they just look like really comfy guns

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>>34362636
I have NEVER implied that. I was implying that anon was one or the other. I am a hipster with a massive history boner.
>>34362643
Seasonal job without much chance to shoot but you may be able to reload. Try a Carcano. They're cheap and ammo can be found fairly easily now (6.5 anyways) but reloading will drop the coat even further. They're light and handy little guns. Or a South American or Turkish Mauser. 7mm and 8mm Mauser ammo can also be found easily though neither will be very cheap. Lastly there are Mosins. They're climbing in price but they're still fairly easy to find and pretty cheap. I have 5 myself and love them.

>>34362955
I'll probably be able to get a mosin that's the most common thing around here for sale and the ammo is cheap at the sporting goods store near by.

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>>34362258
Wrong mauser friendo

I'm thinking about getting a Mauser. It would be nice for it to be WWI or WWII era, but it doesn't have to be. I'm always too afraid to buy shit online though.

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>>34363366
That's not a Mauser at all.

Also I just lost out on a Ross by 5 fucking dollars.

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Does this mean I didn't have to have the rifle shipped to an FFL?

>>34363511
if you really wanted it you would have stayed on top of that shit

>>34363547
yep

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>>34363724
Fug. Oh well
>mfw :D on the receiver

>>34363599
Na I was watching it the entire time. Just went over what I wanted to spend. I don't do bidding wars.

>>34363848
>>34363848
whats the running price on those about?

>>34363848
thats a shame, i was watching it to but it got too pricey at the end. cheapest one ive seen in a while though.

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>>34362312
Argentine 1909, Chilean 1895 in 7mm (Avoid the .308 conversions if you like having hands), or a Swede M96 are all great choices that hit that price/quality equilibrium pretty dead on.

Like the other anon said, PPU is a solid choice for ammo.

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Gonna post some of my $570 FN 49. I took it out to the range today for the first time. Does anyone know how to keep the FN 49 from beating up on 8mm brass?

>>34364116
I dont think there is a whole lot you can do other than playing with the loads. A lot of the old semi autos rek brass. my ljungman just mangles the shit out of them

>>34364116
i think you can adjust the gas on those, id have to look it up.

Looking to get a K31 as my next gat, what would be the maximum I should be willing to spend on one?

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>>34363886
1200 or so usually. I just had to recharge my AC or I'd have bid that much.
>>34363928
Cheapest I've ever seen one go for. Oh well, I'll get one before the year is over. In the mean time I have a couple other things I can get now.

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>>34364116

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>>34364151

>>34364147
i suppose its a good thing i lost. if i had won id be eating ramen for a month. theres always more around the corner though.

>>34364146
probably like 600. Ive never seen a guns value rise as much as the k31 has in the last year plus

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>>34364116
Not much you can do. My Hakim absolutely destroys brass. When I can even find the brass.

I was thinking of attaching some sort of rubber sleeve around the brass deflector like on the Ljungman.

>>34364124
My MAS 49/56 isn't that rough on the brass, luckily.

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>>34364182
I handload and brass is expensive and so Im just getting kicked in the dick every time that my gun sends brass into low earth orbit and puts a huge dent in the side of it. Do you handload or just buy ammo for your Hakim?

>>34364116
Do you like it?
I've never seen one go for that cheap recently, is there something wrong with it?

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>>34364226
Nothing wrong with it its just not the prettiest gun that I've ever seen. I love it. 8mm is a great cartridge and its a lot of fun to shoot.

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>>34364202
I just order a RCBS kit on Friday.

I don't know what I should try reloading first?

As of now I'm just bleeding money every time I shoot it.

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>>34364174
Oh you haven't?

>>34364270
Will the bubble ever pop?

>>34364270
w-why

>>34364270
was there anything special about that enfield or was it just a bidding war?
how much for a type 99 or type 38 with the bells and whistles, 700~?

>>34364248
I use 44 grains of Varget under a 150gr Sierra bullet and PPU brass. It shoots really good out of my FN49 but I couldnt seem to hit anything with my Vz24 with that load. Im not sure what to do about it.

Guys I need your help, I just bought a Romanian SKS yesterday and the stock was fucked so i refinished it. The rifle is all matching except the Magazine and i kept the markings on the stock. Did i goof by refinishing the stock? will reply with my pictures

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>>34364319
Before

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>>34364327
After, thoughts?

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>>34364319
>>34364327
>>34364341

>>34364341
it looked better before.

>>34364348
>>34364350
I just was not a fan of all the gouges in it and the other side was worse than this one

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>>34364296
Fuck if I know. I figured 600 MAX because it was an actual Enfield.
>>34364303
Non-matching Type 99, 600 max. Matching is 1000+. Type 38 doesn't have any bells or whistles so 500 MAX. Obviously rare arsenals and condition matters.
>>34364319
Congrats, you just blew $350 on nothing.

>>34364374
>$350
250

>>34364248
M80 pulls are probably your cheapest bet for loading for that MAS. I use them in everything I own that uses a .308 bullet. They are great and I get decent accuracy out of them. They can be had for $65-$90 per 500.

As far as brass goes, join Facebook reloading groups. Deals pop up from time to time.

>>34364360
consider suicide

>>34364248
>bleeding money
As long as you enjoy shooting it, are you really bleeding anything

>>34364401
haha already do

>>34364360
Dings, gouges, compressions scratches, etc. All that shit is part of milsurp.

At the end of the day it's your gun do as you wish.

You did fuck the little value it had and now looks like shit

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I also got to shoot my $145 Vz24 that I picked up at a pawn shop yesterday. I couldn't hit anything with it though and so Im a little bummed out. Are there any tips or tricks to using the sights on a Vz24?

>>34364417
yeah I figured the value would drop but im not planing on reselling it. im at a point where i could stop now or continue and stain.

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>>34364433

>>34364433
take your time. They are just tiny as shit and take a while to get used to.

>>34364433
You can mount a Lyman aperture sight on it

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>>34364463

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>>34364471
Would I have to permanently change the gun to add them on? And would I get some for the K98 or do they make specific sights for the Vz24?

>>34364317
>>34364433
Wtf I couldn't pattern for shit on Thursday with my Vz24 either. I wanna say it was the target i used. Normally I use ones with a big black circle, and this one had a little orange circle and I could barely see it.

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>>34364503

>>34364491
Yeah, sorry my autism forgot that sarcasm isn't readable.

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>>34364510

>ishy
>nato
>1966

my guntism doesnt approve

>>34364374
why are so many jap rifles non matching? seems its more prevelant with them than other nations.

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>>34363511
It's "basically" a mauser

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>>34364503
>>34364510
>>34364523

>Discover Ishapoo

>See that nobody who is into milsurp on /k/ has one or ever talks about them

>Buy pic related to be a special snowflake

>Everyone else is now buying them

>Cool I guess....

>>34364537
My wallet disagreed with .303 and 100-year-old steel and springs. Also, Lee-Enfield prices seem to be climbing pretty seriously. At least, locally to me.

Oi, what are the stripper clips that work in a mas36? I know there's some other ones that work, and original ones are spendy.

>>34364575
If you think .303 is expensive you picked a bad hobby

>>34364608
Swedish mauser

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>>34364182
My Hakim just barely dents the brass, and it all lands in a neat little pile at least 10 feet from of me

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>>34364573
>is now buying them
we've had them tho

>>34364575
PPU is 15$usd per 20box, 174gr boxer-primed

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>>34364327
>>34364341
for what purpose

>>34361462
Pls, anyone. All I see is yugos.

>>34364608
Swedish Mauser ones will work fairly well most of the time. You should be able to get some actual MAS ones at Liberty Tree though for the same price.

>>34364915
Nah, they want $5 each. Numrich has both cheaper. Plus I need to buy a sling.

>>34361376

>Ouiaboo edition

I bid on a lot at RIA that included a MAS 44. The whole lot was valued at $1500 and I felt that the MAS 44 alone was worth that much given how few were made. I didn't win though.

Need some help decidig what I should get. I found this very good condition M1916 Spanish rifle that is around $375 and an also very good condition M48 Yugo for around $350 and need other opinions on what I should go for first.

>>34365025
m48

>>34361970

West is great. That said the Upper Best Coast is slowly being corrupted by California. I don't know how much longer we will hold out.

>>34362312

Off-brand (South America, Turkey) Mauser for 200-300
Mosin Nagant for 200-300
SKS for 400-500

Ammo prices vary widely, PPU is well known for making oddball calibers, Tulammo and Wolf make cheap ammo for common chamberings, but you get what you pay for.

Gun shows, Armslist, Gunbroker (probably the most expensive option), Pawn shops.

>>34362326

Probably not the best anymore. Used to be dirt cheap with dirt cheap ammo, no it's just cheap with normal priced ammo. Best first gun IMO would be a .22. That said you CAN get milsurp .22s like the Mossberg 44 as well.

My first was a 10/22, it's a good first gun.

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I've got a line on an M1 Garand in the area. Just talked to the owner, we're gonna meet up at the range and he'll bring some ammo so I can shoot both rifles he's got for sale and let me pick for $999. Is there anything I should know in particular about Garands? Any brand more desirable?

>>34365106
There's 2 types of gas block cap things (one with the '+' was designed for Grenade launching).

Buy the one with nicer wood over anything else imo

>>34362406

Each individual rifle family has it's own book(s), so if you like one in particular then get a book (or two) focused on that family.

>>34362788

They are, they even finally came out with a "compact" model with a 16" barrel.

>>34363397

Don't be afraid, there's plenty of reputable people online.

>>34363547

Depends, is that a manufacturing date or a model? There's models that started production before 1899 but were produced past the cutoff.

>>34364146

I paid about $600 for one with some ammo, chargers, brass and reloading dies.

>>34364548

I've heard that when they were brought back all the oFFICIALLY brought back ones had their bolts pulled and tossed in a pile, then when they were put back together they just grabbed a bolt. If it's matching it's probably a bringback.

This really fucks the sniper models because they were all factory zeroed to the individual rifle.

>>34365106

I THINK that Springfield Armory and Winchester are the only two WW2 manufacturers, International HArvester and H&R made some in the Korean War era. I don't think they are considered more valuable because of their lower numbers though, I'm not sure.

>>34365106
Winchester only made Garands during WWII

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Posted this last thread, they said that this was an experimental stock design for the paratrooper model, anyone seen one before?

>>34365187
thats a shame, i really want a type 99 or 38 next but im autistic about having the parts on the rifle match. I hate to say it but il probably just wait till i have some more cash to burn and over pay a bit for one.
Any suggestion on what to look out for these days? im still waiting on a ross and i prefer bolt actions. I thought about a k31 but im not sure if i like them enough to grab one right now, might get a mas 36 but the bayonet looks stupid. Not a huge fan of mausers but il pick up an interesting variant once i stumble across one

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>>34364608
The original ones are the only ones I know that work.
>>34364690
The tabs are at different spots.

>>34365386

Matching Arisakas exist, but expect to pay a premium.

K31s may be in a bubble, or they may be going up to stay up, but they are definitely going up. Keep in mind that there are plenty of other Swiss straight-pulls that are good as well, that probably shoot better than you do.

As for other options I can't really say without knowing a lot more about what you have already and what you like. If you don't like Mausers then that still leaves a ton of other options, even something as simple as a Mosin.

>>34365441
yeah i guess that wouldve helped. ive got an no4 enfield, a mosin, an 1873 trapdoor and a garand. I shouldnt say i dislike mausers but tight now im trying to diversify my collection and everyone used mausers at some point. im waiting till i find one that really jumps out at me.

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>>34364523
>>34364573
we have them, we just dont post them out of shame - its the <insert least favorite minority here> of Enfields

>>34365494

Carcanos are pretty cheap and easy to get into IIRC, I just paid $245 for mine, though 7.35mm ammo isn't easy to find, 6.5 is easier.

Steyr-Mannlichers are straight pulls that are relatively low profile and so may be affordable.

M1 carbines can be fun shooters.

Swiss straight-pulls, like I mentioned (1896/11 or G/K11s).

Krags have VERY expensive ammo, but a unique magazine system if you're interested in that sort of thing.

Berthiers and Lebels are around for non-36 frog guns.

>>34361998
Do you know when an オ series type 38 from Nagoya would have been made? All I can find is that they were made from 1933-1940.

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>>34365441
I paid $250 CAD for an all matching Type 38 with a dust cover, sans bayonet, sling and cleaning rod though.

Can I shoot a 2 3/4 12 gauge shell out of a 2 9/16 chamber?

>>34365766

Probably. It's probably not a good idea though.

>>34365780
Fuck. I want a Remington Model 10A and I hear their chambers were 2 9/16. Lots of people say modern 2 3/4 shells work fine while others say don't do it

https://www.ssusa.org/articles/2017/6/14/usmc-veteran-reunited-with-m1-garand-after-five-decades/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=insider&utm_campaign=0617

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>>34362666
>I would love to see the pics of it!
Will do, Satan. I'm looking at T38 cleaning rods (original or repro) and slings now.

>>34364270
>Billy are you buying guns on the internet again?
>N-no hun! I was only browsing Tinder I swear!

>>34364341
>thoughts?
Mostly violent.

>>34364433
>Are there any tips or tricks to using the sights on a Vz24?
What distance/ammo were you shooting? Start close and put a big piece of contractor paper behind/around your target so if you're missing wildly you can still see your point-of-impact.

Are there any legit M14s in civilian hands?

>>34365936
Plenty; they're just expensive because registry is closed, so there's a fixed supply for the ever-increasing demand.

>>34365922
My wife says I have La Fiebre.

Oh, and if anyone is interested in a Lebel... http://www.gunbroker.com/item/660511915

>>34365922
The repro sling from worldwarsupply isn't too bad, it looks fairly authentic and the leather is good quality. I got a cleaning rod from them as well but hole on my particle T38 is too small for it to fit all the way in.

For the guy looking for a numbers matching Arisaka:

https://www.libertytreecollectors.com/productcart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=8253&idcategory=2

>>34366022
>matching
>no pretty flower

sadface

>>34366022
shame there is no mum but it is a less common arsenal and also has one of the cool early style safety knobs

>>34366022
Thanks man, il have to sleep on it and hope it doesnt get bought up. No mum or dustcover is kind of rough but it looks like its in great shape

>>34366048

Yeah. But you've gotta balance that against the number of matching ones around in general.

Hopefully >>34366024 and >>34366037 give you a chance to snag it if you want.

Reminder that if you enjoy cookie cutter bolt action milsurp rifles you have autism

Does anyone know of any repro Carcano 1891 long rifle slings?

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Do Carcano clips work with either caliber?

>>34366082

Pic related.

>>34366096
Yes

>>34366063
True, i guess il just keep my fingers crossed. I suppose i can always buy a dustcover even if it doesnt match. It would bug me a bit but its basically the same as if i bought a bayonet it wouldnt match right

>>34366082
At least we aren't autistic enough to collect flare pistols and ammo

https://simpsonltd.com/products/k1170

Sks or mosin for first surplus?

>>34366789
Tough choice. SKS prices have peaked, mosins are climbing.

Probably the SKS just because it's a rather unique rifle and goes with just about any collection. They are super comfy imo so if your looking for something a little more primal I'd go for the mosin.

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>Ouiaboo edition
anon who got a rifle length Berthier from an auction last thread, got distracted and never posted it, still haven't cleaned and oiled her yet :(

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>>34367416
Sploosh.

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>>34367430
Nice lebel /k/apt, have you bought any of the 8mm from Selway armory? Thinkin of grabbin a box.

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Quick pics because I have business. Got the Type 38. Turns out floorplate doesn't match bolt assembly #. Bolt # matches itself. Bayonet lug matches rear sight #. No number visible on dust cover. Turns out it does have 文 stamped below the defaced 'mum. Bore rough, but rifling visible. Muzzle swallows an original round of 6.5x50SR to the case neck; were these ever counter-bored?

Rough and rusty, but unmolested.

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Serial number and Tokyo Arsenal manufacturer and inspector's stamps. Will post more later when I get back.

I think I did alright for $200.

Stop buying gook guns

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>>34367464
No, I still have about 400 rounds of my handloads. I haven't heard good things about PCI though but I don't have any personal experience with them.

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>>34363949
I love my Chilean.

Only 6 hours left!

http://www.gunbroker.com/item/658535332

I'm gonna need to decide soon (read: this year) if I want to try and rebuild my sporterized Krag, or just buy a different one.

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>>34367796
I see. I haven't gotten into loading yet, should I take a gamble on the PCI? What have you heard about it?

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>Buy gook guns

FTFY

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>>34365908
thank you for posting that

>>34365597
My book estimates that they made the 27th series rifles from Sept. 1939 to Sept. 1940.

>>34368433

You're welcome!

I'm planning/hoping to pick up a Garand on the 8th.

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How do you install an extractor spring on an SMLE without removing the extractor screw?

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I wanted a T38 long rifle because I find it to be the apex of Japanese rifle aesthetics. I also want to find a T30 (especially since I picked up "Golden Kamuy".

>>34368500
I replaced the extractor spring on mine, but for the life of me cannot remember how I did it.

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>>34367416
You have the barrel band on backwards. The sling ring goes on the left.

>>34367636
>>34367641
Yeah, school rifles are almost always mismatched.
If the dust cover doesn't have numbers on rear face, it's probably a repro. In the very least it should have arsenal inspection stamps.

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>>34368518
My SMLE came without the ejector spring, so I bought some replacements but I've heard you can break them easily on install if you're not careful

>>34368522
Ah, I had a feeling I did, but when I tried to shove it on it offered a little resistance so I didn't want to damage it. I'll try again when I get home from work.

I just got a swedish mauser with the SA marking for $545.

How'd I do?

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>>34368589
Heres a pic of the marking.

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>>34368317
Only things I've heard is their 8mm Nambu is grossly out of spec and their customer service sucks ass.
>>34368589
Mr Surplus?
>>34368518
>I also want to find a T30
Type 30 eh? There are a couple on Gunbroker right now.

>>34368623
>Mr. Surplus
Yeah actually! have you bought from him before?

>>34368589
On that note, does anyone know if all Finnish used Swedish Mausers had SA markings put on them?

My M96 has more wear than I'd expect from a country that did almost nothing with them, but no abnormal markings.

Where do you guys generally buy milsurp guns at? My local gun shop doesn't have much. Any good websites?

>>34368645
No but he always has interesting stuff. Has a nice looking Steyr Hahn right now. I was going to get that Swedish Mauser if you didn't.
>>34368664
Gunbroker.

>>34368664
Not really. Gunbroker is pretty much the only place your gonna find anything interesting

>>34368693
>I was going to get that Swedish Mauser if you didn't.
I waited until 5 minutes prior to the auction ending to buy it so people wouldn't outbid me...

Who is Mr surplus?

>>34368712
Wait till 15 minutes next time so you don't extend the timer.

>>34368726
oh I didn't think of that. I always hate that 15 minute rule.

>>34368713
just some dude in NC who sells neat shit on gunbroker.

>>34368664

Liberty Tree and Simpson Ltd, also Armslist.

>>34368740

That rule keeps someone with nothing but time from sniping lots from you at the last second.

>>34365106
Sorry a little late, but look out for welded recievers. A bunch of Garands were destroyed after Korea and companies bought cut up receivers and welded them back together. If the stock is original look for the P in a circle proof mark. As well as the inspector and armory stamp on WW2 stocks. Post WW2 stocks have the DOD stamp.

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With a clip of original 6.5.

>>34368522
>If the dust cover doesn't have numbers on rear face, it's probably a repro. In the very least it should have arsenal inspection stamps.
It appears to have a mark of some kind on the lower left of the back; no numbers discernible. It is gouged and worn; I'll try to get some better light.

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>>34369118
Back of the action cover.

Got a No. 5 Mk 1 jungle carbine recently, shoots pretty nicely

>>34369181
The character actually looks a bit like 福
but it means fortune which seems like an odd marking

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>>34368825
hmm thats's good to know anon. I'll be sure to check, thanks.

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Sexy

>>34369206
Post some pictures of her. We don't get too many No.5s.

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>>34368500
More up close pics of my new SMLE

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>>34369759

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>>34369783

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>>34369759
>>34369783
>>34369978
>pre-Independence Ishapore
Nice.

Can I get a price check on a non matching M24/47 with the Serbian crest still on it?

>>34370071
Is the number stamped on the butt a rack number or what? And what does the star on the barrel mean

>>34370188
>non matching M24/47 with the Serbian crest still on it?
If it still has the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats, and Slovenes/K. of Jugoslavia crest on it, it's not a /47.

Unless it somehow was refurbed, marked M24/47, and yet didn't get the Commie PFRJ crest.

I'd say $250-300 is fair for a non-matching M24.

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>>34370219
Yeah its a bit of an oddity, but it does have the Kingdom of Serbia crest still

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>>34370259
here's that sexy crest, it's mostly just making me excited since I'm a Serbaboo
it's $300 USD plus shipping

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>>34370259
>>34370270
>M48 furniture
>M48 bolt
I'm leaning more toward $200-250 now. Certainly not what they're asking. If you're really a Serboo tho, you should be looking for a Model 1899, 99/07, or 1910 long rifle, or a 1908 carbine. The K. of SCS crest is not quite the same as Serbia's.

>>34370316
okay thanks, I'll keep an eye out
not very many serb guns in Canada but I know they're out there

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Just picked up the Hakim in this picture a few hours ago for $600. Really nice rifle with a very clean bore. My question is: Does the stock look refinished? My brother says that someone definitely refinished it. Also the blueing on the receiver is basically all gone. Is this normal? Thoughts?

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>>34370405
Also, could use some help on the markings of anyone knows what these mean. We managed to get the year it was made but don't know anything else.

>>34370405
Stock definitely looks refinished. The way the edges of the grasping grooves are softened/rounded out look like the result of careless sanding.

>>34370435
Oh, and anytime that dings/gouges/scratches are DARKER than the surface of the stock you know it's been fucked with. Normally they should be breaking through the oxidized surface layer of finish-impregnated wood, revealing the lighter color beneath. That these are dark means that they are old scratches that became filled in with dirt/darkened due to oxidation, but because they are below the surface of the wood they don't get scoured out by the sandpaper and so the gunk and darker wood remain.

>>34370481
So how much would it hurt the value of the rifle? I'm guessing that's why I got it for $600.

>>34370491
I probably would have paid that for it had I been in the market for one

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>>34370418
The top number is the year and the bottom one is the serial number. Pic related was made in 1965 Arabic numerals are
0 = ٠
1 = ١
2 = ٢
3 = ٣
4 = ٤
5 = ٥
6 = ٦
7 = ٧
8 = ٨
9 = ٩

>>34370491
I sold one that had a sanded stock last year for $550

Anybody know anything about 1895 Chilean Mausers in 7.62 NATO? Was thinking of getting one here in the near-ish future.

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>>34362324
glorious
old revolvers are so ugly they come full circle back to being beautiful

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calling all frogophiles, i got new pix incoming in a couple mins.

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>>34371292
You rang?

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>>34371292
Oui?

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>>34371324
>>34371341
Hot off the MSPaint presses....

Picked up another MLE16, all the metal bits are matching, obviously stock was sanded, repaired, and shortened. Has a Gew98 band on the front - no Waffenamt so I think bubba did it in the 1950's. It is also missing a follower spring. Rifling is in good shape. Set me back $65.

Walther Model 4, all matching. Has a crown N on the frame but slide is Imperial Military proofed. Has a 1916 dated holster with good maker's mark. "Muhlenfeld & co Barmen 1916". Obviously missing the spring cap, also a magazine (gonna cost me $40 for a repro mag). $200.

kar 98 bayonet with frog. $75

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I'll probably try to find an Type 38 next. Then I suppose I'll finally have to jump on the bandwagon and get a MAS-36.

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>>34371392
I think I just vomited in my own stomach.... that poor rifle....

>>34369181
It may have been worn off, or even ground off by a unscrupulous dealer (that does seem like a weird spot for wear). Or it may have been an actual unnumbered replacement part. The field armorer's kit did have spare dust covers.

That mark is known to have been used by Nagoya Arsenal.
>>34369218
I think you're right that it's FUKU. My book lists that it probably means approved as in the part was approved.

Ever since I got promoted at work ive done nothing but scour the internet looking for surp now that I dont have to do anything

>>34371420
yea, it sat at the LGS for like a year. I didn't need it at all, but for $65 for a #s matching shooter, i finally couldnt ignore it anymore. Plus I think Im going to stock swap it and my other M16 that is non-matching. Then I will try to sell the bubba'd one for $75, but honestly, the more I play with it, the more it grows on me. The weight/balance is pretty nice and Im a wehraboo so I kinda dig the 98 band on the front.

>>34363511
Ouch, that sucks

>>34364182
My Ljungman beats up brass even with the rubber brass deflector

>>34371458
Are you me?

>>34371396
Do it, mas36 prices are starting to climb.

>>34361376
I wanted a Ross Rifle and now a decent one is $600 - $900 easy???

WTF happened??? There was a time I could grab one in the upper 200 to upper 300 range easy ... instead I bought other rifles

Same regret with the FR - 8

>>34371564
more like $1200+

>>34368652
Just a reminder, some of those M-96s were used by their reserves until the early 1990's

>>34371123
Anyone?

>>34371573
ugh the times we are in

>>34371524
I love the MAS - 36 I have a counter bored rearsenal that I can hit a steel plate with at 200 yards with iron sights.

My most accurate rifle with iron sights.

The way you place your palm on the bolt is something to get used to.

>>34370405
stock refinished = yes, but well done

The metal may have been parkarized which would prolong the metal and wasn't unheard of it the 60s and early 70s

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>>34366082
like you in your cookie cutter suburbs???

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Grandfather brought this back from WWII

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>>34371617
They aren't counter bored, per se. The barrels were all made that way starting around 1948, so if need be they could be converted to LG48 grenade launchers.

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What is
>CHP.
?
(Swedish Mauser)

Wasn't in my Swedish Mauser markings glossary

>>34371617
The rifles were not counterbored, the barrels were made with gas relief for the rifle grenades

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Finally got around to taking a picture with the flags. Looks like shit but it's something.

Also, I've been looking into getting a Carcano or a Mauser of some kind potentially. Any suggestions? Anything I should keep an eye out for when buying?

>>34364116
probably not much you can do. You can experiment with ammo loads and with the gas adjustment system. Mine still always mangled brass, just a matter of how badly

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>>34371564
Mine came with a bayonet and was $850

Anyone know what south african mausers are going for?

I don't know if it's technically milsurp but my local LGS has an 1891 Argentine Mauser for 225 burgerbucks. Action is a bit sticky, but nothing I don't think cleaning couldn't fix. Is it a good deal?

What's a good place to get a repro C96 stock for my refinished non-matching POS C96 that I love? The ones on CTD look nice but they're sold out, everywhere I look they're sold out (why leave the listing up if you haven't had stock in years?).

Also, where can I find the official ATF stance on original C96s with repro stocks? I want to SBR but I love my doggo.

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>>34372489
Yeah, they're pretty nice. I have a Peruvian myself. And it is 100% milsurp. Why wouldn't it be?

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>>34372526
Alight, going to pick it up after I get paid.

Sweaty Ben memes aside, how are the Garands from Classic? They're supposedly pristine condition from what they claim.

https://www.classicfirearms.com/m1-garand-rifle-30-06-semi-auto-jra

>>34372776
I can't imagine buying an M1 at that price when very nice alternative exist for less than 1k, which they do.

>>34372897

Any recommendations on where?

>inb4gunshow

I have absolutely none near me, and the ones on Gunbroker are equally as expensive or in crap condition.

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>>34372776
1500 for a parts gun? Fuck no.

>>34372997
those are your options, do what you think is best

>>34373041

Fucking hell. I wish I could go back in time and slap America for not making a gorillion guns like the Mosins and Mausers.

>>34373002

From my limited knowledge, basically every Garand is a "parts gun" (not matching). Hell, CMP uses new barrels too.

>>34373057
the cmp is getting 86k garands back from the phillipines some time ""soon"" I wouldnt buy one until then

>>34373159

Hasn't that "soon" been for like 3 fucking years now?

>>34373168
well no that was for a bunch of korean garands that arnt coming unless there is some legislative change (which is looking probable at some point). The flip ones were lent to them and the us still owns them so they will be going up for sale in the near future at the cmp

>>34373180

Guess I'll watch for those. My only concern then is the price and condition. I'm told the Korean ones are in awful condition, so I'd hope the flip ones aren't like that too.

I want one that looks fresh off the line, no dings/dents/cracks, and with clean new metal (zero rust/pitting, etc).

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>>34361376
Just picked up this weird rifle...

>>34373273
whats weird about a gewehr 98?

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>>34373277
That it's a short G98.

>>34373302
>>34373302
oh yeah

thats been bubba'd

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>>34373320
Well, yes and no. I did some looking around at what had been done to the rifle, and I may have an answer. The rifle was made in Danzig in 1917, and stayed in the German arsenal until at least 1935, as it has the updated rear sight, and the stamping on it that shows that it was done then. Apparently, the Nazis gave a bunch of rifles to the fascists in the Spanish Civil war, who cut a lot of the rifles down. They also refinished the guns in a crappy, glossy painted finish, which is what this gun has. The gun has a very good bore, and it has been professionally cut down to around 21.25" of barrel length. The original front sight was placed back on the gun. The receiver and the barrel match, but none of the other serial numbers on the rifle match. There are no import markings on the rifle. I got it for a steal, especially since I just wanted it to shoot it a bunch. So it was bubba'd, but I'm thinking it was by the Spaniards.

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Othias you big beautiful bearded bastard I cannot describe how envious I am of you right now. I know you're lurking.

>>34373471
well the spanish wouldnt have bubbad the stock you could be right about the rest

>>34373477
whats this?

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>>34364341
>>34364327

I think it looks better without the gloss

>>34373490
Interarms imported a bunch of the cut down Spanish G98s in the early 1960's, and they cut the stocks down. The finish on my stock is even throughout, and the cut down job was done competently. Either way, I bought a good condition, very shootable Mauser for under $200 bucks.

>>34373499
A pile of guns that were recently loaned to C&Rsenal. And they are RAAARRRREEE

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>>34373477
neat

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>>34373057
>basically every Garand is a "parts gun" (not matching).

Mine is correct and matching, even down to the draw numbers. They're out there, but they'll be in someone's safe and not in a warehouse.

>>34373477
RSC episode when?

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>>34373646

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Lion has a benis

>>34373477
I wonder how far in advance he has his videos planned. Where my Mosin vid dammit.

>>34373657
sexy benis
I want a vz24 real bad but there aren't many in canuckistan

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I saw a FN-49 at a pawn shop not far from me for $800. It had this super dark wood stock that looked too perfect to me original, but all serials I could see without taking it apart were matching. It was chambered in 8mm, I wish I took pictures to know more about it. I think it's overpriced, but I don't know shit about them. They had a Norinco SKS for $600 so doesn't make me think they have good deals there, even if it was a really pretty one.

Local gun store has a Lebel in decent shape for 400. I only have about 320 atm. What should I do before somebody nabs it? I didn't get to check the bore but from what I could see on the wall it looked alright.

>>34374066
If it's legit it's worth like 800 dude. But you better be damn sure it's all correct.

>>34374066
Offer 320 before anything, then if he doesnt' take that ask him if you know him personally to hold it for you because you really want it.

>>34373646
They probably need a clip for it. The Berthier 5 rounders won't work.
>>34373779
Mosin is probably gonna be months away, if not next year. Apparently the research is so confusing because of Russian/Soviet politics.
>>34374066
Sell plasma.

>>34374030
You can get Egyptian FN49s on GB for 600-800. The benefit to buying one from a shop is that you get to examine it before you buy it, you get it right then and there, and you don't have to pay for shipping/transfer. The downside of course is that you may pay sales tax.
That's certainly on the high end of what Egyptians are going for on GB, but if you want one and the benefits of buying in person add enough value for you, go for it, especially if you can jew him down to 725 or 750.
>tfw I've been watching FN 49s on GB for months
>never shot one but I think it's the sexiest wood furniture "battle rifle"
>want one of each

>>34374030
It sounds like one of the guns built by Century.

They got a bunch of Egyptian FN49 parts kits. They usually have beechwood stocks with a very dark stain.

I never by anything built or assembled by Century.

>>34374151
They'll probably have to attempt to make one

are the "no name, no date" M39s worth the $299 that sweaty ben is asking for them?

>>34374286
>cracked stocks
No

>>34374286
I get the shit talk to classic firearms sometimes, but i've ordered a m39 from them and I was real happy with what I got.
>>34374187
that's what I was thinking, fuck Century built rifles.. glad I stayed away.

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>>34374302
This is what I got. Hand picked.

>>34374315
LMAO
I just got a Sako cracked stock for $320 and all its got is a baby crack on the handguard, that sucks. I'd hate CF if I were you too.

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>>34374315
Went and took a picture for you, here's what I got for $320, that crack that you can barely make out is the only thing damaged on mine besides some wear thats normal to see. It's got beautiful color in the wood too

>>34371123

That probably means they've been heavily bubbaed, given that 7.62 NATO wasn't out until well after they were obsolete.

>>34371524

It annoys me because they're on my list, but a couple steps down. Oh well.

>>34371970

7.35 Carcano is hard to find, but the guns that shoot it are cheap. 6.5 Carcano is much easier to find.

>>34372997

Armslist? CMP? If you can wait, wait, South Korean guns are probably coming back soonish and Filipino guns are definitely coming back soon. Prices might depress and availability will definitely go up.

>>34373180
>>34373201

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/1137

Call your congresscritters.

>>34374066

Ask to put the money down for it and have him hold it for you.

>>34374286

Considering that that's what regular 91/30s are going for now, and considering that the crack will probably cost $40 to get fixed, yeah.

>>34373499
I see a Turkish Mauser Model 1893, a Serbian Model 1908 Carbine, A Mauser Gew.71/84, a French RSC M1917, Some export-pattern Mauser 98 (too many to ID from just this pic) and a Mosin M1907 carbine.

>>34373657
They cut benis off on the newest Czech coat-of-arms.

>>34373201

You're probably looking at two options then:

RIA's premiere auction
or
Fulton Armory.

>>34374517
>reddit spacing taken to an entirely new level
Please stop posting.

>>34371123
>Anybody know anything about 1895 Chilean Mausers in 7.62 NATO? Was thinking of getting one here in the near-ish future.
http://dutchman.rebooty.com/1895Chile.html

>>34374523
>Some export-pattern Mauser 98
I don't think so. It's hard to tell but I'm not seeing a 98 claw extractor. I think it might be a Turkish 1890 Mauser.

>>34374699
>I'm not seeing a 98 claw extractor.
Gotta get your eyes checked, old man. I can see the claw extractor, and the step down on the cocking piece that makes it a 98-or-later Mauser action. Also note the tangent-leaf rear sight and full-length handguard, not found on a Turkish 1890 Mauser.

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>>34374733
>Also note the tangent-leaf rear sight and full-length handguard, not found on a Turkish 1890 Mauser.
This one does.

Turk Mauser at a local pawn shop, $300 and they have a 15% off sale ATM.

Also thinking about getting a black powder revolver there since I have neither a revolver, nor a black powder gun.

>lebel pops up on gunbroker
>5 days left
>it's already 500 fucking dollars

Jesus Christ I thought the serious bids started around the 24 hour mark?

>>34374821
Turk Mausers are pretty bad and Yugos are readily available at the same price. Unless you specifically want a Turk, avoid.

>>34362324
How's it shoot?

>>34374850

I have a M48 and M24/47 already.

I probably won't buy it, just because there's so many other things that I need more.

>>34374847
Sometimes, sometimes not.

>>34374792
>M1890/29
OK, fair point. But the rifle in the picture still has a 98 action. If it's anything Turkish, it has to be a Model 1903.

>>34364341
Tbqhfamalam I think the after is better looking but I'm sure there's a few /k/omandos that'll hunt you down and skin you alive for what you've done.

>>34364341
I like this, is it raw? Or is there BSL on it? Anything at all?

I've been looking into buying one of those spanish 1916 mausers that Navy Arms has. Does anyone know if they're actual milsrurps that they've done work on or just reproductions?

Why is 8mm Mauser so hard to find? All I want is bulk FMJ rounds that will actually fire safely.

>>34375620
It's not. Walmart just doesn't have it. Midway has good sales on it often

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New to surp collecting

I've been watching k31s disappearing over the past month, will the tide roll back in eventually?