Are guide guns a meme? If I was a guide in the jungle trying

>>34353116
weight
caliber choice

>>34353116
A) Guides also have to follow the hunting laws

B) No, your semi-auto .30 cal is not adequate against charging dangerous game that the client has already failed to kill

>>34353116
You're right. I'd want a lever action 45-70.

>faster to operate
>same capacity
>equal reliability
>4570 loads with 550 grain bullets can down an elephant

Plus guides don't shoot prone or get into firefights where a magazine needs to be swapped quickly. So it's perfect.

>>34353393

I am quicker with a bolt action than a lever action and personally I think a bolt is much more reliable.

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>>34353499
Alright jackass, what guns are you using? I bet you haven't even shot a levergun

>>34353116
>semi auto in a 30 cal would be superior.

lol no look into dangerous game rounds

>>34353116

A .30 cal is not adequate as a stopping rifle. Also, battle rifles are often heavy and inaccurate compared to quality bolt guns, but that's changing with AR10s. It should also be noted that semi automatics with extended magazines are unavailable to guides in places like British Columbia, the Yukon, large portions of Africa, etc. Basically everywhere with really dangerous game except Alaska.

>>34353393
A .375 H&H can develop about 1000ft-lbs more at the muzzle than a .45-70, with a much more aerodynamic projectile. You can get a slicked up mauser working pretty quick with practice.

Hunting is all about doing things right the first time. Hosing down animals with lead is not how things are done. One big bullet, right where it needs to go. One hole in the pelt, no damage to the skull, and a clean hole through one side of the ribs and out the other that wastes little meat.

>>34355094
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmoyCgDn2xM

wrong

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get a scout in 450 bush

>>34355094
>battle rifles are often heavy and inaccurate compared to quality bolt guns, but that's changing with AR10s.
What? An AR10 may be lighter than your average battle rifle, but it is not more accurate. If anything, it has equal accuracy.

>>34355336

>.450 bushmaster

inadequate.

you'd need a .460 win mag at least.

>>34355094

But we're not talking about hunting, with a guide gun, we're talking about defense against dangerous animals. I agree that the OP is a faggot and a .308 is insufficient for a charging cape buffalo, but if you can hypothetically get a reliable semi auto in an appropriate chambering that isn't heavy as shit, why not go for it?

>>34355465

Oh for sure bro, that tilting bolt, pencil barreled FAL is going to win medals.

Oh, and hope you don't mind if I pick up your bedded M1a by the front handguard...

Not even hating, I like every rifle that's been mentioned in this thread, but let's not pretend that every gun is equal for every purpose.

>>34355651
Reliability. Big game hunters are fucking paranoid about the reliability of the follow up shot, for good reason, but they probably take it too far.

>>34355651

It's not a bad idea, You can buy the Browning BAR in .338WM (which is not legal to use for dangerous game in most of Africa). There's no reason you couldn't build something bigger. However

>reliable
Is the operative word. Look at the load options available in any given safari caliber. They vary greatly. Good luck making a rifle that will run all of them well. Then you need to break it in. Are you going to go buy 200rds of premium monolithic solids and and run them through to ensure function? That's like $1200 worth of ammo, maybe more depending on caliber. Repeat for any load you want to use - light cat loads, solids, etc. It becomes an unrealistic amount of shooting with a rifle that is in all likelihood beating the hell out of you, and probably itself. We're talking a <11lb gun here.

The question that should follow is "are current safari/guide rifles insufficient in the first place" and the answer is no, they're awesome.

>>34355094

>through one side of the ribs and out the other

Unless you're taking a steep quarter shot, you shouldn't even be touching much rib if any.

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How about a 458 WM Garand?

>>34353249
>.30 cal is not adequate against charging dangerous game

I keep hearing this but I don't buy it. I don't have an elephant here to test this but I am pretty sure no fucking animal on the planet is going to keep charging after a few rounds of 308 to the center mass.

>>34355781

HNNNNGGGGGGGGGG

>>34356029
If you place it right, sure. But with charging, dangerous game, you're gonna be fuckin stressed and won't have perfect shot placement. You need every bit of caliber you can get to make up for that.

>>34355669
Actually, FALs have won more medals than AR10s simply because FALs have been in actual service for militaries all over the world. This isn't Call of Duty where the guns are supposed to be balanced or even equal.

>>34356060
>If you place it right, sure.
This is true whether we're talking about .308 or .458 win mag.

I'd rather have a second chance, or third, or fourth, if I'm being charged by an angry grizzly.

Why not use a pump or semi 12ga with slugs instead of a big-bore boltgun?

>>34356205
inb4 "slugs c-can't penetrate rhino skin" or "slugs will bounce off bone"

>>34355601
>.460 win pag
inadequate.

you'd need a .50 BMG at least.

>>34356125
You are very unlikely to get more than 2 shots on any dangerous game that is actually 'charging' you.

They're fast, and they don't charge from far away.

>>34356318

For what it's worth, this is also the reason why double barrels are still around in some places. Because, when you REALLY need a second round but semiautos are banned (for hunting) a double barrel is the only way to get off a second shot without having to move your hands.

>>34353147
>weight
Guide Guns are heavy fuckers though.
>caliber choice
There are multiple semi-auto and lever action rifles available in a plethora of magnum calibers while weighing the same or less than a guide gun.
>>34353499
Then you're doing something wrong.

>>34356205
A lot of guides and professional hunters (African guides) do. Particularly when hunting big cats or grizzlies.

>>34356318
>they're fast
Depends on the animal.

Elephants and hippos can sprint short distances at about the same speed Usain Bolt tops out at, or around 20% faster than an average person can run. They're pretty fucking slow by wild animal standards.

On the other hand a jaguar or leopard can sprint around 45mph and a water buffalo can break 30mph over short distances.

The big issue with all of them is they have a rather good record at being able to circumvent terrain and underbrush (either by going over/around it efficiently or simply having the mass to plow through it) that humans can't.

>>34355317

The Right Arm of Freedom in action sorting out communist elephants.

>>34355781
This makes my pickle tickle

>>34356029
pretty sure a bear skull is sufficant enough to deflect most 30 cal rounds

>>34356029
Anon, a Cape Buffalo's heart is so fibrous that it will actually seal holes under .4 inches just by pumping normally. Big African game is scary shit. A PH just died a few months ago after the charging elephant he shot grabbed him with its trunk and body-slammed him in the time it took the elephant to die.

>>34354983

I use a .44 magnum rossi compared with a sporterised SMLE and a .308 howa 1500.

I am quickest with the old .303 and then the Howa and lever action feel pretty similar but when we timed it and added up target scored the bolt action had it.

I find the lever hard to manipulate and maintain a sight picture whereas the bolt stays back in my shoulder. I have done 4 rounds rapidly with my .300wm but that made me feel sick from recoil, I wouldnt want to do it unless it was an emergency. I am looking to get a 375 or one of the 9.3 calibres when Im finished trade school as a present to myself.

>>34356334

>shooting a bolt action quickly and accurately.
>wrong.

Ok.

>>34355774
I always shoot through ribs. I dunno how you do things but I aim to avoid the shoulder meat completely. I don't shoot for heart. Double lung is my go-to.

>>34356560
>A PH just died a few months ago after the charging elephant

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/22/world/africa/elephant-theunis-botha.html

holy shit...

>>34356081

You're not even making a point here anon, sorry I triggered you by saying that an FAL isn't the world's greatest dangerous game gun & target rifle rolled into one.

>>34355651

For what it's worth a guide on a game preserve is likely going to be culling animals, dispatching game previously wounded by a client, etc. So yes, they'll be doing some hunting of their own.

>>34353116
This OP is WOKE AF!

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I'd like to see the game that can't be stopped by 8 rounds of .30-06 AP.

>>34356505
Hahahahahahahahaaha

>>34355781
>>34356046
>>34356469
What sucks is the guy who did those conversions died.

Fuck old age and cancer, seriously.

>>34356029
friend, you would be horrified by big game. Cape buffalo are some scary shit, take a .416 rigby and keeps coming.

>>34353116
30 cal OP? really? you are a fucking idiot

>>34356307
>.50 bmg
inadequate

you need .950 jdj, except no substitutes

>>34356029
bud ive seen deer run 100 yards with a quarter sized hole through their heart (and the rest of their chest) Theres a video of a zebra THAT HAS EVERY INTERNAL ORGAN REMOVED BY CROCODILES literally its entire torso is emptied of organs and it STANDS BACK UP and starts walking around. That one marine got shot by like 30 rounds of 7.62 in the torso.

>>34357147
Ironically poachers are confirmed as just using full auto to take down said game animals easily.

Never underestimate a burst of amall arms fire carefully (or generously) aimed at vitals on an animal. Flesh and bone can only do so much, and generallu it is not multihit capable.

>>34357199
i mean yeah but that's so damn unsporting, and if you look into that, they really pump the lead with those smaller calibers.

I mean I'm just very skeptic because of my own experiences in africa

>>34357195
http://controversialtimes.com/military/navy-seal-shot-27-times-by-4-terrorists-he-killed-2-of-them-with-a-pistol-now-see-what-hes-doing-video/

Ok I guess it was a navy seal, was only shot 27 times and I cant find what kind of weapon he was shot with but I bet it was larger than 30 cal....

He pulled out his pistol afterwards and shot two of his attackers and killed them which is probably the best evidence of shot placement>caliber that I have ever seen

>>34353116
Because it absolutely has to work in the few seconds available. Simple, rugged, and reliable.

If you're not using 20mm you're unprepared.

>>34353116
Semi-auto isn't the fucking magical be all end all thing you think it is, my noguns friend

>>34353393
I feel like .45-70 may have more big-game kills than any other caliber when you consider it's mostly responsible for the near eradication of the north american bison.

>>34353249
>my 20 rounds of .300 winmag isn't enough to drop a mad animal
Please.

>>34357087
those recent bear attacks in Alaska the rangers shot one of the bears in the head with a high powered rifle and it ran off. Hunting guides always say NOT to shoot bears in the head.

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>>34357412
>thinking you will always have time to shoot 20 rounds at a charging animal
>even if you know exactly where the animal is before it charges and have your weapon ready

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEIGqD80N6U

>>34357452
this lion ran for two seconds, which is how long it takes to reach max speed, at max speed they go 100 yards every four seconds so we are going to assume your average long distance lion charge will be less than six seconds before they are in dangerous range. Hope you can get those 30 rounds on target like your in a shooting competition.

Are revolvers capable for dangerous game?

>>34357496

Lynn Thompson Revolver shooting

>>34357496
kinda
they're good for hiking/fishing where it'll be hard to have a rifle ready relatively quickly.

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>>34357496

depends on whether you like having wrists or not

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>>34357452
>the fucking comments on that video
Was it brigaded? Are leftist this retarded?

>>34353393
,577 nitro side by side and a large cal revolver

>>34357533
beats me, you think they would hate on the mass poaching nigs rather than hunters which bring money to impoverished regions.

>>34357452
>Implying I would need 20 rounds of winmag to drop a fucking cat

It's better to have several shots of a ridiculous round rather than just one.
This isn't a matter of if you are able to shoot a raging animal in time. It is a matter of bolt action vs semi-auto/levergat.

Also, in that very situation you could easily magdump an entire magazine into that lion.

>>34357636
ORRRR you could just shoot it once in a vital area with a gun that has zero chance of jamming, theres a reason that experts use what they use

You COULD easily magdump an entire magazine into the lion, or you could fuck up. Id rather take one shot with the right tool instead of the biggest autoloading caliber that came to mind as compensation

>>34357654
If you have not hit in 2 it won't matter much.

>>34353393
This, if I was a guide that would be my weapon of choice.

>>34356608
>SMLE

That explains it. The Enfield cock-on-closing mechanism is absurdly fast.

>>34357075

Ap wont expand and create a massive wound channel.

>>34357525

I want one of these so bad but theyre,20k

>>34357452
>The lion's tracks double down on their own
Got spooked at that bit.
That was so close from the lion, a second and that guy would've had an open leg.

>>34357533
Yeah that shit annoyed me.
I can get the hate for trophy hunters, though, but people can just be fucking retarded about it sometimes.
These guys are far better than the African poachers who fuck up Rhinos illegally. The fact they're allowed to pay to kill the lion makes it much better than the cunts who fuck up Rhinos and have drove several species to extinction because RHINO HORN MAKE VERY VOODOO MAGIC.

>>34357654
>1 hit from a bolt action 30 cal is better than 10 hits from a semi-auto 30 cal

>>34358050

Sp wont penetrate and damage internal organs.

>>34357654
You know, you bring up a good point about jamming.
Why the fuck do militaries all over the world even use semi-autos again when they are constantly jamming left and right? Like the other day i had my ptr jam 19 of the 20 rounds I tried to fire and threw that shit in a ditch and left it there for a far superior never-going-to-jam mauser bolt action rifle.

You see the point I'm trying to make pal? Its not 1932, I haven't experienced a jam aside from using shit magazines in any semi-auto rifle in my time and I shoot far more often than most.

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>>34358100

What we need..... is both...

>>34357452

Humans were a mistake.

>>34357525
If they had a revolving rifle like that I'd be fucking down.

>>34357452
They very clearly would had have an easier time of it with a semi. Not sure what your point is here.

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458 Lott and 338LM

>>34358232
if they each fired two shots, they each would have fired only one or two more accurate shots with a semi auto rifle, sure they can magdump a semi auto rifle but is that really going to do better than hitting the vitals twice with a higher powered round on single action triggers?

>>34358174
Your weapon may function differently after being innawoods for two weeks as a backpacking or hunting guide. Furthermore, it doesnt take -constant jamming- to get fucking killed, it only takes ONE and I can assure you the military and police have had and do have issues with semi automatic weapons jamming on a large scale, read reports on the m92 and the new jersey police suing sig


>>34358086
1 hit in the head with a 666 godzilla round is better than ten 30 cal in mixed areas

>>34358303
>sure they can magdump a semi auto rifle but is that really going to do better than hitting the vitals twice with a higher powered round on single action triggers?
Is your argument really that bolt-action encourages better aim? That's just pathetic.

>>34353499
Then you're an exception not a rule.

I own a full stock smle no mk1 and it's still slower than a Winchester 1894. I just read your second post. That's a personal problem, try training with both equally. Or shooting guns with similar p/w. 3030 out of the Winchester feels pretty much like nothing as does 303 out of the heavy stock.

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>>34357452
>These comments
>Hunting is wrong cause I said so.
But the meat is vital and goes to...
>HUNTING IS WRONG CAUSE I SAID SO, CHECK YOUR FACTS.

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45-70 is prototypical guide gun. Would take older 7lbs Marlin Guidegun over most for the use. Something like Jeff Cooper 376steyr lion scout though...mmmmm good times...

>>34355094
>Muh 375 h&h
First off. Energy is a misleading thing when it comes to bullets. Energy calculations favor low mass high speed rounds. There are other ways to calculate effectiveness, like knock down formulas. As a guide you're not doing hunting, you're protecting your client. A 375 is cumbersome and overkill for most things you may have to deal with. 375 is better for the customer not for you.

>>34358359
im not, they werent using them

>>34355094
By this logic, guides should just carry 20" Barrett cqb 50bmgs

http://www.gunbroker.com/item/651749770

>>34356608
I should also say that the Enfield is 1 bolt action rifle with a specifically designed high speed bolt, while every lever gun is as fast.

But Idk what you're talking about not being able to maintain a sight picture. It sounds like a personal choice thing.

The Enfield is supposed to be fired with the middle finger and the index is always on the bolt to make faster cycling. That's how my dad taught me, that's how the military taught him and as far as I know that's how the insane mad minute speeds are achieved.

But again overall levers are faster than bolts across the board. Especially newer levers with rack and pinion actions. I cycled one at cabelas and it's FAST

>>34357452
gimme a 458 socom ar and i'll feel moderately less fucked

>>34357342
>20mm
Chump caliber. 23mm Russian is the shit.

>>34358174
See
>>34355758

There are challenges inherent to making a semi auto, safari caliber rifle.

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No, guide guns are not a meme
No, scout rifles are not a meme
No, double barrel rifles are not a meme
No, semi autos are not a meme
No firearm is a meme, they all have specific jobs that they fill nicely and the others aren't suited for.

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>not participating in a wheeled 20mm safari
>he cant remove entire herds at once
>walking around with a bolt action instead

>>34358558
>and the others aren't suited for.
I disagree, technological progress has made some guns objectively obsolete.

>>34358600
Name one?

>>34357634
>>34358070
I know I'm preaching to the choir but these guys pay what, like 50k at minimum to hunt these? I cant imagine how far 50k goes down there to help conservation and create jobs. Not to mention some of them need to be put down anyway

>>34358708
Pepperbox revolvers
Smoothbore muskets
Muzzleloaders
Cap-and-ball guns
Mag-fed machine guns
Clip-fed service rifles
Clip-fed pistols

>>34358708
1911

>>34358708
duck foot handguns. organ guns. pin fire bullets

I always imagine guide guns or similar would be good SHTF innawoods rifles. Satisfactory hunting rifle, while also having a sufficient caliber to kill humans

>>34358394

First off. KO factors are fuddlore; nominally useful but not scientific in the slightest.

However, I didn't make my point well. .375 is already on the low end as an African guide gun, and as you say, is more for the hunter, which is why I picked it as an example. Its the minimum legal caliber in many countries. Actual big bore stopping rifles blow both out of the water. It's not even worth discussing.

>>34358827
That's a scout rifles job
The idea behind the scout rifle is a one caliber gun good for everything from rabbits to rhinos. It can be used for hunting or humans, quick to reload and capable of long shots.
Guide guns are for PHs who need to kill an animal quickly or turn a charging animal.

>>34358558

Scout rifles are, in fact, a meme.

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>>34358863
Scout rifles are the king of guns, Most useful and best idea ever.

>>34358394
>Energy calculations favor low mass high speed bullets.
They also favor high mass high speed bullets as well bro. Comparing .45-70 to .375 H&H, the latter can throw heavier loads at higher velocities. A 300 grain slug from both calibers has a 600 ft/s advantage to the H&H. It might be overkill, but in the context of guide guns the .375 H&H is the standard most others are held to for Africa's big game.

>>34358545
If you hunt big game with anything smaller than 30x173mm be prepared to get cucked hard

>>34358912

Too transparent.

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>>34353116

>Walking inna Savannah
>we safari now
>talking with my nigga Zambezi
>"Embekki embekkj!" He screams pointing behind me
>Suddenly a lion leaps through the bush
>Shit bricks
>Shoot lion in the skull with my .416 Rigby stopping rifle
>Lion stops dead

So no guide guns aren't memes

>>34358961
I'm not being sarcastic
If I could only bring one gun it would a scout rifle, probably in .338 win mag.

>>34358558
That gun looks like it weighs 100lbs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kq8NmOF1csk

>>34358560

That would be comfy as fuck

>>34358925
>30x173mm
30mm is being replaced by 35x228mm, get with the times.

>>34358558
What do you call that gun? Fünfling?

>>34359055
>A herd of buffalos is now charging at you at full speed
>Not using your personnal 40mm bofors
Go big or go home

>>34359100
>40mm bofors
>not using the objectively superior 57mm Bofors
What are you, poor?

>>34358977

Well, an LER scope offers nothing over a true 1-to-something variable optic, and gives up a lot.

Beyond that you've got a plain jane hunting rifle. Trying to get so much versatility out of any centerfire caliber is also silly. The only real "rabbit to rhino" caliber is 12ga.

>>34359145
>only caliber is 12ga
>caliber
>gauge

>this fuddlore again
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNR2Uh08FrA

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>>34358558
>implying truck guns are not a meme

>>34357496
Buffalo Bore's 460 and 500 Smith Magnum loads are in the strong .308 realm

>>34358740
Smoothbore muskets actually still have a lot of use among African tribesman hunters, since they're very easy to maintain and cheap to repair.

>>34356653
I never said the FAL or any battle rifle was perfect for hunting big game. I said you were retarded for thinking that just because the AR10 is an AR makes ot automatically the best battle rifle out there.

>>34358050
Why would you want it to? That ruins the meat.

>>34358740
>Mag-fed machine guns
Wrong.

As far as I can tell the advantage of the 45-70 with heavy bullets actually is that it is not that fast, which means that the bullet will stay intact and pass through much more animal than a fast bullet that will disintegrate and dissipate its energy. Is this train of thought correct?

>>34357395

Eh, 50-90 Sharps is probably at least as responsible.

>>34357525
They actually have decent recoil thanks to how fucking heavy they are.

>>34359136
A friend of mine told me 76mm naval gun was the only safe way to go

>>34359136
>57mm bofors
You faggots need to step up your game and start hunting with a proper gun like a QF-17pdr. How do you intend to stop anything with those piddly calibers?

>>34358851
>X is fuddlore
This is /k/s 'NUH UH', kill yourself.

Also 375 is a great caliber, but 45-70 loaded with the right load is a force to be reckoned with. Plus it's in a fast to cycle, handy 18.5 inch package. And you usually get 1 or so more capacity.

http://www.garrettcartridges.com/trophies.html

There's a hippo taken with a guide gun in there. There's also stories of elephants and I found 1 pic but it didn't have gun pictures so I didn't count it as proofs.

>>34359739
>>34359776
>these fools not packing thier 16 inch guns for their safari.

>>34360074
>he doesn't carry a 800mm railway gun when out hunting
It's like you *want* to be mauled

Does anyone have that screencap of that big game hunter anon's musings about what calibres he'd use to shoot dinosaurs?

>>34361281
It's all about follow up shots man, why get caught waiting for the crane to reload your massive shells when you can use a Bm21 grad?

>>34363018
>not simply breaking out the rest of his 800mm battery for repeat shots.

Anon....

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>>34356640
>Mr. Botha’s is the second death of a big game hunter in two months. Another South African, Scott Van Zyl, disappeared in April; his remains were later found inside of a crocodile, The BBC reported.

He zigged when he should have zagged.

>>34353393
yeah if your target is on a short distance rainbow trajectory, i guess

>>34360074
16 inch guns are for hunting surfacing blue whales all you need for elephant is a carl gustav

>>34354983
>that pic
>Ahh sorry i can't make it to the party
>work has me swamped

>>34357496
Yeah, if youre bad bob munden

>>34356029
They poach elephants with British .303

>>34353116
Get PTR-91. Be happy

>>34358393
I have an og marlin guide gun w the muzzle brake in 450 marlin. I have shot a lot of stuff with it and do not honestly believe anything would survive after taking a round or two from it.

>>34353116
A full auto ar10 with ultra expanding an then penetrating rounds would do just fine for a charging animal.

all of you poverty tier faggots.
>not bringing your mid 19th century 914mm mortar

>>34355781
>How about a 458 WM Garand?


No kidding, this is what stopping rifles should look like.


The .458 WinMag is just about the perfect big game cartridge, because it is exactly designed to emulate the behavior of the .450 Nitro Express.

A century of field experience has developed the ideal cartridge.

The .458 with the 500 grain solid looks 'meh' on paper, because tards who love the .50 BMG don't know shit about wound mechanics. The sectional density of the 500 grain .45 slug is superb, it delivers just enough energy to drive that slug through six feet of enraged animal, and it does it with just low enough recoil to get a fast second shot.

Plus, you can load it down with soft-nosed bullets and take on the smaller 'Big Five' animals without changing rifles.

Put that cartridge into a super-reliable military grade semi-auto like the M1?

Perfection.

>>34358070
You want to get mad about the rhinos, blame the Chinese. I swear to god, the Chinks and Japs would just rape everything to death if we let them. They're like a bunch of retarded children.

>>34357182
>.950 jdj

You're literally begging to die if you go out with anything smaller than 30mm depleted uranium.

>>34365293
TCM is also a driving force behind ivory poaching

>>34359341
>he's never been anywhere more dangerous than the Whole Foods down the block
>he's never had to contend with water moccasins laying across the road, feral hogs, pumas, wild dog packs, niggers, protestants, Cajuns, alligators, gar fish, and god damned spring breakers
>he doesn't understand that sometimes you can't just lock your door, hide under the bed, and make a tear filled call for help to 911

I thought you nu-male types were supposed to be all educated and smart and shit. Maybe you ought to just stay over there in Norway or wherever.

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>>34363527
Fuck you Doc

>>34358391
damn that picture's been around for a long time. I'm surprised it survived with only one watermark.

>>34365236
>Perfection.
The case doesn't have quite enough taper for that god-tier extraction that most of the famous African rounds have.

Then again you can never have perfection, just near enough.

If bolt guns are superior, what big game cartridge would k reccomend that ecists in non bolt gun form? Largest i own is a 45-70 govt (granted its a lever gun not semi)

>>34357533
>brigaded
>>>/reddit/

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>>34358394
>.375 H&H OP for DG

>>34365363
>30mm DP
Animals are soft-targets so depleted uranium penetrator rounds won't cut it. 40mm HE is king.

>>34353249
>>34355094
> .30 cal is not adequate against charging dangerous game
Tell that to all the poachers. They didn't get the memo it seems.
>>34355758
>reliable Is the operative word.
A self-loader is more reliable than your arm. Especially when you are under pressure.
>>34356205
Because it isn't better muzzle energy wise than a .30 caliber and is worse in penetration.
>>34356505
This is sarcasm.
>>34357117
His conversions were cancer. How fitting.
>>34358303
>1 hit in the head with a 666 godzilla round
And if you miss?
>>34358384
I have an enfield no 5 and two winchester model 94s and i think the enfield has a much smoother action. I prefer the enfield.
>>34358492
>Especially newer levers with rack and pinion actions
That shit ain't new. And it isn't even faster than a pump.
>>34358548
Not technical challenges. But then it doesn't really matter anyway since you don't need a big bore meme caliber.

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>>34357496
Just get a ray gun my dude

>>34369478

Man, I'm so glad you're here. God only knows what we'd have done if you hadn't shown up and given us your expert opinions.

>>34357412
>semi auto .300 win mag
What gun?

>>34359449
You were stating accuracy, not "the best overall" battle rifle.
Not even him, but at least stay on course with your statements.

>>34370102
POF and a few others make .300 win mag ARs they tend to go for between 5 and 7.5k

>>34370264
well thats what it takes to own an actual rifle that isn't a meme

>>34369478
>poachers
Driving around an elephant while mutumbo and his 3 buddies blast 120+ rounds into it isn't a very good comparison to being a hunting guide

>>34369960
You're welcome. I just wish I had remembered to sage.

>>34358278
i second the 458 Lott, i think the 458 Win Mag can be shot in those rifles also if the Lott is too much for you

>>34359168
>Bitches about people not knowing about ballistics.
>"10mm is about the same as an AK. . ."
It is getting hard to hold back my laughter.

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>>34355781
>458 WM Garand
Good lord