Why is it that 7.62x39mm fanbois get so butthurt over 300 AAC

>>34348671
7.62x39 is cheaper and does the same thing.

>>34348671
>salt
Lawlz, no more salt than the "just buy an AR" crowd has.

If you like it then buy it, but always remember that it's just expensive 7.62x39.

>>34348671
but 7.62x39 is cheaper, more widely available, and much more popular

AK fanboys and Mini Thirty owners don't like that it has the same ballistics without shoddy Russian QC or lacquered steel cases and hard primers.

>>34348671
What a shitty thread.
.300 and 7.62 are similar in ballistics... Sure...
But application and use is totally different.
.300 are for DIYers who have handloading presses and endlessly surf catalogues, and he can slap everything together with off the shelf parts right then and there.
AR15 parts, .300 barrel, mountains of 5.56 brass and .308 bullets, with plenty of flexibility.
With the AK you just buy the fucking ak and have fun.
Some people have endless time on their hands so they play around with .300blk
Some people are busy so they buy the ak and a spam can of 7.62 and enjoy the rest of their afternoon.
That's all.

5.56 = iphone
7.62 = android
300 black = windows phone

it's the special snowflake product that nobody cares about except one one co-worker

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>>34348738
>>34348935
7.62x39 is heavier and not A E S T H E T I C

Let's look at the differences
.300 blk
>average subsonic performance
>110 gr supersonic weight is ideal
>less velocity is vs x39
>non-tapered

Vs
7.62x39
>average subsonic performance
>123gr ideal performance
>more supersonic velocity vs 300blk
>tapered
>15cpr levels cheap

Sorry it took you this long to catch up to 1950s Soviet doctrine.
Tell me me again about DMRs

>>34349094

this is gay and faggots

>>34348671
Does anyone get butthurt over it? Blackout is just for the AR platform, so if you don't own an AR platform it doesn't really matter. Does anyone get butthurt over 8mm Kurz? They're all in the same general ballpark.

>>34348671
300 memeout is a shit calibre that will die on the vine within this decade. This angers you because your heart knows it to be true but your mind has not caught up yet

>>34349139
Genuinely curious, what's the difference in BC between a .300 blackout BTHP and a 7.62x39?
Does 7.62 hold its velocity well with match bullets? Is it possible to load longer projectiles for better performance at range?
Ive not looked into hand loading 7.62x39. Are there barrels available that would benefit from a long, heavy projectile and a fairly quick powder?

>>34349202
>being adopted by SOCOM
>die on the vine

Kek

>>34348671
because 300cuckout is a meme, its ideally shilled for sbr suppressor use

BUT
what the goys don't want you to notice is that a subsonic 300cuckout has the same energy as a .45acp, you're just getting a few extra yards before it drops like a stone

tl;dr
if your wanting whisper quite "stopping powah" just shoot a .45 with a can on it because that's all the cuckout round is doing while Remington is cashing in on mallninja fucktards

/thread

>>34349221
>what's the difference in BC between a .300 blackout BTHP and a 7.62x39?

Literally depends on the projectile.

>>34349233
Except subsonic .300BLK outranges .45ACP and has significantly better terminal ballistics.

>>34349221
7.62x39 gucci bullets get below 3 BC. Simaler to 300 blk.

Its 8mm mauser vs 7.6239. It's honestly better in every way.

>>34349233
>/thread
>on your own post

>>34349255
>better temrinal ballistics vs 45acp
Yeah not even close

>>34349241
I literally mentioned the type of projectile. BTHP. The kind you would typically use to stretch the range of any caliber. Thank you for arguing nigger semantics when I'm genuinely asking if the two rounds had a comparable upper end of range using match bullets and carefully controlled hand loads. Kindly neck yourself.

>>34349265
>Long, .300 caliber projectile vs short and wide .45ACP

Its pretty fucking obvious which is gonna perform better especially when armor and barrier penetration are factored in

>>34349263
>can't dispute my claims
>responds with meme arrows

>>34349278
velocity defeats armor not weight

>>34349295
>velocity defeats armor not weight
We're talking about two projectiles with basically the same weight with the same velocity, those are out of the picture, and a thinner, longer projectile will beat a short and wide projectile in armor penetration if other factors are the same.

>>34349278
>what is energy retention
I agree, it's pretty obvious which will perform better

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>>34349139
rekt
>>34349233
rekt

>>34349304
Is that a joke. Are you actually asking me to destroy you?

>>34349276
>I literally mentioned the type of projectile. BTHP.
Wow good work. You failed to take into account projectile weight too. And different bullet manufacturers that make the same type and weight bullet will have different BC's.

>>34349313
t. rekt kid

>>34349229
>being adopted by SOCOM

no

>>34349507
stay mad faggot

https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=09f78d7e84c745853607ecc571c0003c&tab=core&_cview=0

>The United States Special Operations Command (USSOCOM) is seeking to identify potential sources within the national technology and industrial base with the ability to provide a conversion kit for the M4A1 to create a Personal Defense Weapon (PDW) system:
-Complete Kit to include upper receiver and butt stock kit
-Any tools required to complete an operational conversion
-A light and sound reducing suppressor that can be attached to the system when needed


>PDW Kit specifics: The kit must be adaptable to the standard M4A1 lower receiver, any modification to the lower receiver must be reversible and nonpermanent. The kit must be in .300 Blackout (BLK) cartridge, total system weight, including the M4A1 lower in not to exceed 5.5lbs. Length with stock extended not to extend 26" length with stock collapsed or folded shall be 17" (T), 15" (O) and a height not to exceed 7.5". Weapon shall be fully functional when collapsed or folded. Kit should include a 5.56mm barrel that can be changed from .300 BLK to 5.56mm in less than 3 minutes. Accuracy shall be 3.0 MOA (T), 2.0 MOA (O) @100 yds. and 5.0 MOA (T), 3.0 MOA (O) @ 300 yds. both in .300 BLK supersonic.

>>34349517
You don't understand what you just linked, do you.

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>>34349522
>You don't understand what you just linked, do you.

>>34349525
Your image suits you well.

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>>34349531
>I'm the newfag that has no idea what greentext is

>>34349522
>>34349531

Lmfao just sit down you sad bitch

How many red herrings are you going to throw out just because you were proven wrong

Sad!

>>34348738
It also doesn't fit in the dimensions of a .223 rifle and will generally have issues cycling subsonic loads.

Handload and you can shoot .300BLK for cheaper than 7.62x39mm steelcase.

>>34348994
I like the .300BLK Mini-14 just as much as the Mini-30

>>34349202
Nah.

>have 14.5" barreled AR in .300BLK
>have the same terminal performance and range as an AKMSU
>but substantially better inherent accuracy, lower weight, less recoil, and will cycle quiet subsonics perfectly
What now, slavaboos?

>>34351210
You own neither gun.

>>34348935
.300 blk is sanctions and ban proof, being a domestic cartridge.

>>34351680
Are you implying the .300memeout market is larger in the US than 7.62x39?

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>>34349229
can't wait to see news about SEAL blow up his gun because he chambered a M855A1 into his .300 meme gun

>>34351879
It's more the opposite, I think if you fired a .223 in a .300 you'd rupture the case and have the bullet keyhole out at a slow speed.

>>34351845
He said no such thing.

>>34352413
you cann't chamber a .300 meme into 5.56 chamber

>>34352581
see
>>34351879

there are documented cases of this happening and causing catastrophic failures

>>34352434
Are you implying domestic manufacturers wouldn't pick up the 7.62x39 market given the many 100,000s in the US?

>>34349139
>15cpr
where?

>>34352790
15 cents cheaper. Not per round.

>>34349233
Yeah, but a .45 acp can't do what 300 can in super. It's versatile, you can have a rifle that's super quiet or a rifle that's 98% of a 7.62x39 with just a mag change.

>>34351210
>inherent accuracy

Nice meme

boys have a penis, girls have a vagina

DISCUSS

>>34352863
It can't do what .300 does in sub either for that matter.

>>34353051
>implying any generic AKM has even shit on any generic AR15 in terms of inherent accuracy potential
>non-free floated VS being trivially easy to free float
>two locking lugs VS eight
>action with a bigass piston VS no separate piston and a completely inline action + stock

It's fundamentally a more accurate design, a cheap M&P15 with a free floating foreend shits over anything you can try with a Saiga.

>>34348671
>7.62x39mm isn't the best in all weapons applications
There is literally no currently produced ammunition that is the best in all weapons applications

>>34349255
>.300BLK outranges .45ACP
>Rifle out ranges pistol

Id fucking hope so

This thread might be the most cancerous one on /k/ right now.

>>34349233
Militaries(and everybody) likes shorter barreled rifles, right? Everybody wants a shorter rifle these days. A 9-inch .300 BLK does what a 5.56 does from a 16-inch barrel with far less blast, almost no flash, better characteristics for suppressing(which is the major trend these days), way better intermediate barrier penetration, better terminal ballistics, as well as being fantastic for the 300 meters that the whole "assault rifle" concept was even adopted for. You can shoot it farther with any skill. And it fits seamlessly into any 5.56 rifle already in use today.

>>34349068
This.

300 black out smooshes into the AR platform so it has a point.

That said, to answer OP's question, I do hate marginal gains in new ammo.

We didn't need .338 Lapua, we had .300 win mag.
We didn't need .357sig, we had 9x25 dillon

and so on...

>>34355287
I mean, you "invent" something that basically already exists in a slightly different form, all you do is split the market share which is bad for the consumer and really ads nothing in terms of ammunition diversity in the world. That's what I meant to say.

>>34348994
AK boys don't give a fuck about shoddy QC because they have an AK. Anything short of absolute bottom grade cheap ammo will cycle just fine in the AK, and even the cheapest stuff won't normally fail more than 2-3 out of 500 rounds.

>>34351680
There are US manufacturers that produce 7.62x39 though, it's not a largely import-reliant cartridge like 5.45

>>34348671
Because its constantly fed into their by propaganda that they have some magical ultimate bullet.
>>34348738
>Does the same thing
lol wrong

>>34348994
This so hard.

>>34351879
What you typed would be safe.

>>34357307
>Because its constantly fed into their by propaganda that they have some magical ultimate bullet.

I agree, blackout fanboys seem to think it is a do everything caliber.

>>34352650
No, he's right. A 5.56 case into a .300 wont go into battery.

>>34352581
>>34352650
au fuck
i mean you cann't chamber 5.56 into .300 meme chamber

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>>34351879
>>34352581
You guys are idiots. How does chambering a cartridge with the same casing dimensions but a smaller projectile than recommended, cause a rifle to explode? Maybe if you chamber a .300 blk and try to shoot it through a chamber made for a .223, it might explode, but a .223 in a larger .300blk upper/chamber, exploding, doesn't make any sense. Please use common sense.

>>34357367
Not really, 5.56 still gives range, I don't think anyone unironically suggests replacing it with .300 in all contexts.

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>>34348671
>7.62x39 user
>don't care about people using .300 BLK
>actually kind of glad people are using a cartridge built for ARs rather than one of those abominations that uses 7.62x39 in AK mags in an AR
The performance difference between the two is minimal. .300 BLK is slightly better for subsonic applications and 7.62x39 is slightly better for supersonic applications. They're pretty much the same round though and the one people use really should just depend on whether they're using an AR or an AK/SKS platform.
Also, you're a faggot.

>>34348671
>so much salt to go around
Go back to twitter nigger

everyone talks about .300 chimpout but what about .458 SOCOM, is that a dead round or is it still used?

>>34360603
It's mostly for hunting, it lobs a heavy ass 300gr to 500gr bullet.

It has hefty recoil and only a third of the capacity, so I wouldn't suggest it for a fighting rifle, it's hard to keep on target in rapid fire and full auto.