If you need more than one shot to kill, your cartridge is too weak.

>>34347746
I've seen too many horror movies to fall for that. Ventilate that fuck until you're 110% sure he's dead, then empty another clip in his ass for good measure.

>>34347746
Cool, but as far as I know every single military/paramilitary and law enforcement organization thinks you're full of shit.

>>34347746
or your placement is shit.
better hit the range scrub.

>>34347761
>empty another clip
>another clip
>clip

>>34347746
Shot placement>>>>>>>>>>>>>caliber

A .44 magnum to the shoulder is survivable. A .22lr to the base of the skull is not.

>>34347797
>assuming I'm not talking about stripper clips

>>34347776
Appeal to authority fallacy.
>>34347799
Red herring fallacy. Nobody has ever denied that shot placement is important.

>>34347811
>Appeal to authority fallacy

Except you know... I'm talking about every single one of them, from modern armies to Toyota riding militias. Not one organization that engages in combat has come to the conclusion that bigger is better since midway through the 20th century.

Its WAS the general consensus before, back before anyone understood ballistics very well. It seems you are just slower than the rest of the world.

>>34347877

>He said, as the US military explores options for a larger standard caliber to possibly (though not likely because it isn't the easy option) replace 5.56mm

Also, 7.62x54r is still commonplace, and if you somehow missed the 17 threads about it Canadians with .50 BMG have been fucking some shit up lately

This thread is nonsense though. I'd call it bait but I don't think OP really cared, just wanted to rustle some jimmies

There's an infinite amount of variables as to which bullet will kill which human in one shot.

>>34347877
>back before anyone understood ballistics very well
Please, tell me, what is this hidden ballistic knowledge you refer to? If it really is known worldwide, you should have no problem explicating it in great detail.

>>34347877
>Not one organization that engages in combat has come to the conclusion that bigger is better since midway through the 20th century.
Bandwagon fallacy.

Also, they don't use poodle shooters because they are "better." They use them because they are cheaper. Economics is very important to mass procurement, especially for third world militias. For first world armies, small arms are just an afterthought. They depend instead on expensive high tech equipment.

>>34347925
>There's an infinite amount of variables as to which bullet will kill which human in one shot.
The recipe is not a mystery. All else equal, bigger is better, and faster is better. Expansion makes wounds that a wider but shallower.

>>34347925
none of them use it as anything more than specialized roles, or in cases when there arent enough intermediate caliber rifles to go around.

If it takes them out of the fight, your cartridge is powerful enough.

>>34347937
>Please, tell me, what is this hidden ballistic knowledge you refer to?

A bigger projectile does not mean more range, accuracy or penetration. Hardly hidden knowledge if you've ever used more than one rifle.

>>34347987
Red herring. The purpose of using a bigger bullet isn't to increase range or accuracy. It's to make a bigger hole.

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>>34347746
>Shoot guy in the pinky toe with .50 BMG
>He doesn't die
wtf .50 BMG is a weak cartridge now

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>>34347811
>Nobody has ever denied that shot placement is important.
So then no cartridges are weak then, minus maybe 2mm Kolibri?
Because as said, a 22lr will penetrate your skull and kill you.

>>34347746
Stopping power.
Of course you can stop someone with one shot of .45 ACP, but you won't be doing that with .380.

>>34348109
Red herring.
>>34348122
Can you do a headshot every time? If the answer is yes, then congratulations: 22 LR is all you'll ever need. If the answer is no, then aim for the chest and use a serious cartridge.

>>34348162
So what you're saying is that any given person could have a different minimum ideal caliber depending on their skill, but something like 10mm will generally be a better choice than say, .25ACP.

>>34347746

I'll just the threat until it's no longer a threat like what the dalai lama says

>>34348194
You got it.

>Literally know/knew people that have survived the following calibers in war/street:
8mm Mauser (and Kurz)
7.7Jap
7.62x39mm
7.62x54R
5.45x39mm
.45ACP
9mm
.22LR
.38 Special
.380
7.62 RealFuckingNATO
.32ACP
6.5 Carcano
.30-06
.357 Magnum
Birdshot loads
.223/5.56
.40S&W

The benefits of working and living around medical facilities in huge military town with feral natives is shot placement faggots.

>memes aside, every buckshot and foster slug has been all DOA unless body armor.

>>34348484
Most of those military loads probably had FMJ bullets. If they had been softpoints, the death rate would have been higher.

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>>34347746
Even Japan took two shots, chompski honk.

>>34348635
Even the atomic bomb was replaced with something with more stopping power.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermonuclear_weapon

>>34347811
>Appeal to authority fallacy
>>34347937
>Band wagon fallacy

Fallacy fallacy nigga, fuck you

>>34347877
>anon gets called out for appeal to authority
>doubles down on appeal to authority
good lord, it's that time of night.

>>34348109

>the Lynx
God DAMN it Anon, blue board!

>>34347746
To get a one shot kill with out very good shot placement ( adrenaline is a hell of a drug ) is the domain of rifle cartridges for the most part. Hydrostatic shock is needed and for pistols they only start making a meaningful amount at about 50 AE and up.

>using bullets instead of ICBMs

this is how i know you're a noguns faggot

>>34348534
t. fudd

>>34348534

Some of these people had been shot multiple times and some of these were JHP and JSP. Some had minor damage with no real after effects, and some had health issues for life. Some had a clean pass-through, some hit bone and some still had bullets in them.

Point is, there is NO single instant man-stopper caliber.

>>34347811
what he's saying is that shot placement is actually the thing that is more important when comparing 9mm to .45ACP. Lethality will be almost entirely decided by the shot placement over the caliber.

If you think you need a stronger cartridge your aim is the problem.

>>34347811
>If I say things are fallacies enough maybe I'll finally have a point

>>34349508
I think a 20mm Vulcan hollow point would do the trick.

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>>34347746

As a patrician man, superior in strength and skill, I only need my excellent shot placement to down any foe. Your .600 Nitro Express vs. my .22LR? You don't have a chance, friend. I am too calm and smooth, you'd just frustrate yourself by trying to phase me in my exquisite defense.

>>34347746
You should put at least two in them anyway you fuck

I don't care if you're using .22LR or 10mm

>>34349440
>Hydrostatic shock
Hydrostatic is a made up buzzword. If it meant anything, it would literally mean still water.
>>34349453
That's not what the word fudd means.
>>34349508
>and some of these were JHP and JSP

>WW2 rifle rounds
>soft points
Pick one.

>>34349611
Shot placement is important, but it is not the ONLY thing that is important. More importantly, shot placement has nothing to do with cartridge selection, as all cartridges have about the same inherent accuracy.

>>34349695
The point was clearly stated in the OP. It is you who lacks a point.

>>34349730
Why 2? Why not 3? Why not 5? What is the magic number?

>>34349695

McDonald's turmoil fallacy.

Aren't there plenty of statistics that show that pistol rounds generally suck at killing

>>34350071

the problem with bullet statistics is that they're all so circumstancial

>>34350058
The body is largely water and the only other thing from shot placement is adequate penetration

I carried out a little mathematical test to get an idea of how much diameter effects lethality by improving the chances of hitting something vital. I wrote a python script which picks two random coordinates from a 50 cm square and then tests whether the bullet diameter overlaps with the "heart" in the middle of the box which is a circle with 5cm radius. After 100 000 iterations a bullet with 5.75 mm radius (.45) got 1211 hits and 4.5mm radius (9mm) got 1084 hits. Giving the ".45" 10 % better lethality in the test. I also compared 9mm FMJ to gold dot with 0.63 inch expanded diameter and thus 8mm radius and it got 37% more hits than the FMJ.

It's a wildly simplistic test but should give an idea on how much bullet diameter matters in the chance of nicking something vital

>>34349446
>using ICBM instead of IPPBM

>>34348109
this sexualy excites me

>>34350058
>>WW2 rifle rounds
>>softpoints

This nigga has never gone hunting with a mauser or a mosin. They make a great range of soft point ammo for most, if not all WWII rifle rounds.

>>34347776
If the FBI thinks that bigger bullets, larger cases, more powder, and higher velocities don't kill things better, they're the ones who are full of shit. They employ females, manlets, people who can't aim for shit and need 10 follow up shots, and have to account for cost per round, this is a political decision. It's the same reason why the military uses 5.56. Neither 9mm nor 5.56 are the perfect cartridges for every scenario, get over it.
>>34347799
>>34349730
>unironically using rimfire defensively against a human bean
Enjoy your jams and duds

>>34350212
>muh Casaba Howitzers.

>>34350058

>Posts multiple calibers
>Some were JHP and JSP
>Dealing in medical facilities where it's not just combat wounds

>Some stupid cunt posts a condinsending "pick one" HURR NOT USED IN MILITARY

>>34347811
>appeal to authority fallacy
https://ojs.uwindsor.ca/ojs/leddy/index.php/informal_logic/article/view/2424/1866

Kys, i bet you think GMOs are bad too.

>>34351302

Doesn't matter bro. His whole argument is that a FMJ isn't really that dangerous. Taking 4 7.7Jap during the invasion of Okinawa, laying in the surf for hours, and not dying is totes easy because lol FMJ.

>>34348162
>red herring
No he's going on exact words.

>If you need more than one shot to kill, your cartridge is too weak.

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>>34347797
>using anything other than WW2 surplus to fight werewolves