USS Fitzgerald did not detect container ship

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>EMCON means weapons and defensive radars are turned off in a commercial sea lane hundreds of miles from the nearest combat area

>some E-3 who's been doing too many 6 hour on 6 hour off watches was asleep at his console

>bridge crew on the freighter was taking a shit and leaving the bridge unattended

>>34346991
that thing would be worthless in a real war.

>>34346991
Well neither did the Russian intelligence ship, which has even more senors than a Navy destroyer.

>Did Russians hack it??
plz no Donald Cook story again
Talk about the most inefficient way to take destroyers out of action

>>3434699
>unlikely that AIS and surface radar were both broken
>navy lookout failed to detect such huge freighter
>no one was on the bridge of the freighter at the time of the collision.

maybe crews of both sides are to blame for carelessness

>Russian hack it
bullshit

>>34347997
replied to >>34346991

>>34346991
how much worse is this than, say, losing an anchor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7pRfix_sNg

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when the wrong ship gets owned

>>34347645
Well, with the radar on its starboard side fucking gone and a fucking splintered keel, yeah.

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>>34346991
>>34348605

how the fuck did the WAR SHIP with MILLIONS OF DOLLARS of RADARS an electronics fail to detect a huge ship?

Just a negligence, happens all the time.

>>34348644
>>34348627

Do American ships sail without lookouts?

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Something I just realised

>Russian jet loses altitude performing a manuver
OH MY GOD FUCKING RUSSIANS SHIT LOL VATNIK DRUNK LOLOLOLOL INCOMPETENT

>Americap prize destroyer runs into A FUCKING FREIGHTER SHIP and seven people die
*Carefully thought out response as top why it's the container ships fault that a fully crewed, armed and equipped destroyer couldn't navigate one of the busiest shipping lanes in South East Asia

Really makes u think.....

>>34348714
that's total fucking bullshit and a conspiracy theory-tier nonsense. it's nothing more than damage control. Gertz has the goods.

>>34348213
>lost an anchor
>was scheduled for replacement
>US destroyer turned into a writeoff due to splintered keel
>somehow comparable

>>34348833
0130

The seamen were probably tired and alone at their position.

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>>34347721
>Well neither did the Russian intelligence ship, which has even more senors than a Navy destroyer.

Dude, that was a retrofitted civilian trawler or some shit like that.
It's an intelligence ship on account of having the barest minimu on board to do some surveillance while masquerading as a normal ship.
It was not some 50 trillion dollar super-high tech top-of-the-line spy ship that could trace your shitposting and send you back pics of your dick.
Only US has enough money to throw away on ships like that.

>>34348980
That's the reason why about all other nations change their lookouts every half an hour. I really hope CO, XO and OOW get rekt by the court

>>34348605
Is this autism? That looks like Autism. It has to be AUTism. I think it's autISM.

Gotta be.

AUSTISM!

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>>34349071
>every half an hour
What.

US Navy operates on 5 hours watch 10 hours other duties/eat/shit/shower/sleep, so five men can split a day's watch. This is hell on a sleep pattern.

Civilian vessels do 4 hours watch 8 hours off watch. Requires six men to rotate watch, and is marginally effective at preventing fatigue.

Pilots are required by law to stay under maximum 3 hours watch 9 hours off watch. This would require eight sailors rotating daily but minimizes fatigue.

>>34349142
I don't mean completely change them but we rotate lookouts every half an hour, so port lookout becomes helmsman, helmsman starboard lookout and starboard goes to port. That's a good way to keep the guys awake. Just like annoying them by letting them report on a contacts in their sector every ten minutes.
We go 4 hour shifts and regular day duty between 0700 and 1700 hours

>>34346991
so are the fleets in disarray with safety standowns you sea dogs? Or did they make you attend mandatory classes for 8 hours then put you back on watch.

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>>34346991
yes, MURRICA blame the vodka for that too

>The collision occurred at around 1:30 a.m. local time but was not reported by the freighter's crew until around 2:25 a.m. Investigators believe the time lag was the result of the crew not realising they had hit another ship.
>not realising they had hit another ship.

how the fuck do you not notice hitting a fucking destroyer is my question.

>>34350218

Given the route from the cargo ship, it was clear that it swerved and then returned to ram the destroyer.

The question is which conspiracy theory is right - Did the US allow the attack to beef up naval spending or did Duterte order the attack as a political statement/to act on China's behalf to put pressure on the Pacific fleet?

Unless it was an accident ofc but given the fact this never fucking happens, even between 2 cargo ships, I highly doubt it wasn't an intentional collision.

Was it gross incompetence, faulty tech, or both?

>>34350286
probably gross incompetence

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>>34350259
>given the fact this never fucking happens, even between 2 cargo ships
this happens much more often than you'd think even though having AIS running on both ships allows most autopilots to prevent collisions. Total different thing when a ship full of sleeping retards is crossing a sea way without radar or AIS on crossing a TSS

>>34346991
bitch get real

if anyone hacked it, it was israel or the dems

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would an armada of filipino cargo ships and iranian speedboats be completely unbeatable?

would america survive?

>>34350547
There would be no stopping them once they unleash the Vietnamese farmers

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>>34350547
>would an armada of filipino cargo ships and iranian speedboats be completely unbeatable?
>
>would america survive?

>>34348627

That makes sense. My only question is how big are these shipping lanes? You would have thought that I something as big as the Pacific ocean it would have been unlikely for two vessels to stray so close to each other.

>>34348644
They are americanpig radar. Maybe buy russia next time

>>34349142
A 4 8 4 8 schedule only needs 3 deck officers, not 6.

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>>34348851
Day/k/are and shills anon.

Day/k/are and shills.

Thread Theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vST6hVRj2A

This is shocking and frankly, mortifying. What will happen when our navy has to fight actual enemies? The evidence suggests they will give up the ship and leave the homeland vulnerable.

>>34350259
>Did the US allow the attack to beef up naval spending or did Duterte order the attack as a political statement/to act on China's behalf to put pressure on the Pacific fleet?
Neither.

>>34348692
Only comment that is legit ITT
>>34348833
If you new literally anything about sailing you'd know one of the rules of the road is having a proper lookout.
>>34349071
No they dont

>>34348213
kek'd. what a fuckup. luckily no one got killed.

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>>34350651
There are no defined shipping lanes in the particular area, and it's not out in the middle of the pacific where as you say managing to get together in this way would require a bit more work, 60 miles offshore from busy ports is kind of the maritime equivalent of being on the highway just outside the center of a major city.

pic related, shipping in the area of the collision right now, that's plenty of traffic to worry about running into.

>>34348569
Mother of God. This has to stop.

>>34346991
What sort of shitty junior officer was left as Officer on Watch?

Or was no one running the watch?

>>34346991
I am some what confused. I was always under the impression, Warships had the right of way, also the civilian craft needed to maintain a healthy distance from any warship, Carrier battle groups. Repeated failure to comply would get you smoked. WTF is deal here? Could someone shed some light in this.

>>34348833
You are in the middle of the sea. Who would try to sneak in?

>>34351482
You would be surprised.

>>34347721
>plz no Donald Cook story again
He's memeing about the Demcrats spreading their hysteria about Vlad hacking the elections

>>34351460
Who cares about right of way? Issue is that a billion dollar ship with all kinds of radars couldn't detect a huge-ass container ship.

>>34351338

bruh that image is from 2015. At least one arrives every day in Spain and France now.

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>>34348851
>board that's about 80% American shills for America
There's nothing surprising there.

>>34348569
where are the women and children we keep hearing all about?

>>34351538
getting raped and killed by ISIS while the men go to europe

>>34351513

>Defending Filipino monkies and their conduct
>Ever trusting Filipino monkies
Race traitor.

>>34351538
I praise every god I can think of daily that like 98% of those "refugees" are men. Otherwise they'd start breeding niglets by the dozen. Even the odd rape and sexual assault on European women is preferable to that.

>>34351460
No such thing as warship right of way, it's every ship is on its own, and needs to respect the same rules.
Unless of course it takes part in an organized convoy, in that case the convoy gets precedence over individual ships.

>>34346991
>this is what keeps vatniks alive

Stay mad Russkie

>>34352133
stay mad Jose/Tyrone.

>>34351764
There has to be some thing, maybe special provision for time of war. Especially Aircraft Carriers. It was about 10 years ago we were out sailing. They told our boat to stay back or they would open fire. They were pretty dam adamant about our craft maintaining it distance. We were only a 30ft craft. That's why I am confused.

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us navy is pathetic

>>34350924
We don't have flags on this board, so you'll have to be a little more specific. Who is this "we" of whom you speak? What is your homeland?

>>34352233
>us navy is pathetic
>picture of Godzilla about to sink a Japanese destroyer

?

>>34352233
Wow, Godzilla looks like THAT?

>>34352219
CVs/CVNs/CVBGs are a special occurrence.

>>34352233
kek'd

>>34353743
Thank you.

>>34348569

The ITB Gimmedats

>Google image search results: Europe

kek

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https://www.amazon.com/Avoid-Huge-Ships-John-Trimmer/dp/0870334336

>>34351746
True.

>>34356014
10/10

>>34356014
LOL... that's a real book! Someone send it to USN captains.

>>34350547
There was an exercise conducted just like this and, yes, America did get btfo.

>>34348833
Been awake for 36 hours already? Okay great now go stand a lookout watch completely lone for 6 hours!

What do you mean we got hit by a huge ship and nobody noticed?!

>>34357063
been there, did that, you guys need to stop acting like this would be such a difficlult thing

>>34356930
>America did get btfo.
things can only go down from now on.

>>34355979
+ Im from Germany ^^
Danke Merkel !

I've made computations and found out that the damage is only equivalent to a Harpoon missile which is not as good as the Chinese anti ship missiles. This just means that America does not have the technology for a ship to detect a target heading to its direction and attempt to take it out. Most of the American tests against anti ship missiles is when they are ready to intercept it and they know where it is coming from.

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>>34357549
Is this some kind of bait or is this summer? Can't compute

>>34346991
US destroyer gets rammed by a ship 20,000 tons heavier, survives.
Russian recon ship bumps into a ship only 500 tons heavier, sinks.
The fact that US sailors died only hoes to show that they are brave and the IS never gives up the ship without giving it 100% trying to save it while russians are weak cowards who panic and flee as soon as things get rough.

>>34358052
>and the IS never gives up the ship without giving it 100% trying to save it
>the IS

ROFL

>>34356930
Only because the smallcraft had a FTL OODA loop and antigrav tech allowing them to carry AShMs that outweighed the boats themselves by an order of magnitude.

>>34356930
obviously the Iranians just got inside their OODA loop quickly, using cheap and simple speedboats to overwhelm the expensive American carrier. Can't turn, can't run, can't fight. It's a lemon!

>>34347721
the high tech russian intelligence ship you are talking about was a retrofited fishing trawler with a new big radio antenna. With a bit of luck it might even had a sattelite dish

>>34352219
They don't want a cole situation.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yU-dYGZvUeU

This is why I didn't choose SW

>>34358834
smart

>>34358771
What happens in this video

>>34356014
>Second edition

>>34356014
What's this about? All the reviews read like jokes.

>>34351482
Somalian pirates, they cant tell the difference between a warship and a cargo ship

>>34358987
a few germans in a speedboat aproaching a carrier group and talking stuff about it. Stuff like: you are not allowed to cross that buoy line, get to close you get killed, aircraft or torpedos will get you yada yada yada. Only watched a few minuts before becoming bored

>>34358771
The fuck is her escorts?

>>34359078
Someone that works on large cargo haulers wrote a book about bitching about life on large cargo haulers: The Novel.

>>34348627

That looks like Spacebattles forum format. Huh, neat to know they're still kicking.

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>>34359078
>>34362866
>>34356014

>tfw my captain used to sleep with a signed copy of this

>>34358052
>tfw accidently congradulate the islamic state while spindoctoring for the DoD
russian losses ~$500k frigate
us losses ~$500M in repairs and 6 sailors

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>>34365578 on what planet can I get a functioning frigate for 500k? Youre delusional. It is Russia and it's Italy economy maybe I should reconsider.

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>>34365318
what's it like being a boatboy, anon?

US ship was the give way vessel.

Both sides are to blame though, probably 70% to the warship.

Muh radar and muh AIS doesn't fucking matter, the bridge officer should've been looking out the fucking window.

Yes, I'm a bridge officer. That collision was inexcusable and all of the officers on both bridges should be in jail

>>34368593
>Yes, I'm a bridge officer
proofs

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>>34368600

Ok

>>34348569
Who else is gonne work in the volkswagen factories ?

>>34369138
Robots. Like every other modern factory.

>>34368593
>and all of the officers on both bridges should be in jail
Luckily for the cargo ship they didn't have anyone on the bridge.

>>34369256

The bridge being; everyone who's job it is to be on the bridge.

The bridge is a team, they're all culpable to a certain proportion. Yes even if they're asleep.

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>>34368802
Can confirm he's an officer, that k looks like a pen threw up on the paper and called it a letter.

>>34369422

You should see my logbook.

I also horizontal line my 7 but don't top and bottom my 1, disgraceful isn't it.

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>>34369444
>I also horizontal line my 7 but don't top and bottom my 1, disgraceful isn't it
Jesus Christ, are you doing this on purpose?!

>>34348569
NAPALM!

>>34350651
When you do anything long enough, people will tend to find the most efficient way to do it due to financial benefits as well as laziness, therefor its not a stretch to believe that there is one route that is highly populated between two or more points.

>>34348569
Skyrocketing crime statistics, now in family size!™

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>>34369566

Well, not exactly no. Just thinking about higher, more important things means that handwriting isn't the 1st priority.

Things like:
Is that spanner of an AB going to kill himself with that marlin spike?

Did I press that REALLY important button? ....actually no, SHOULD I press that really important button?

Do I fancy a Martini or just a straight g&t after watch?

I wonder if the tailor has finished with my shirt yet.

>>34369635

Shipping lanes are actually pretty rare, they're only in places of really high traffic like Dover/Calais straight, Singapore, The North Sea, around headlands like NW Spain, entrance to the Med etc.

The chances of even seeing another ship in the middle of the pacific are very slim. I've gone several days with nothing even on the radar (c.50 nautical miles)

>>34346991
im a huge ameriboo, but this is embarrassing
that captain needs to be fucking lynched

>>34369807
>that captain needs to be fucking lynched
he was sleeping. his sleeping quarters were on the side that was hit. he barely survived and was transported to hospital.

>>34350651
>I've gone several days with nothing even on the radar (c.50 nautical miles)

That seems more to reinforce the amount of shipping on the ocean, when you think just how big the Pacific is and just how small an area you're scanning by comparison.

>>34369714
see
>>34368865
Look at the AIS track. This took place just off the coast of Japan, in an area very heavily trafficked by merchant, recreational, and military shipping, not in >the middle of the Pacific

>>34369874

At what point did the collision happen? The warship isn't shown on AIS, they usually have then turned off.

That track is fucking weird, it looks like it's hunting for something.

However, the original point still stands.

IMO COLREGS (the rules of the sea)

Rule 15

Crossing situation

When two power-driven vessels are crossing so as to involve risk of collision, the vessel which has the other on her own starboard side shall keep out of the way and shall, if the circumstances of the case admit, avoid crossing ahead of the other vessel.

New details:

http://news.trust.org/item/20170626101937-6xsul

Amerifuggs ignored all warnings! LOL

>>34370123
>Taking the cargo ship captain's word at face value.

Yeah, because he's not trying to cover his own ass at all.

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>>34369444

>>34370141
The container ship captain is a smart man. By getting his story out first, the public at large will weigh all other versions of the sequence of events against his, and will most likely think his is the (mostly) correct sequence unless some really damning evidence gets released.

>>34370184
yep. he's smart. lots of ranks are gonna get on USS Fitz.

>>34370184
>>34370141

NO!

The warship was the give way vessel ffs. THe usual Amrican Navy way is to tell everyone else to stay outside 2NM of its passage.

Typical American arrogance, dispensing with the rule of the sea for their own interests. Just like the carrier group asking the lighthouse to move out of the way lolololololololololkek

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76OlqSd_5k8

>>34370184
Until you realized he knowingly had himself on a collision course and didn't correct it.

Reminder that nobody has the "right of way" on the seas.

>>34370282
Right of way isn't right to ram anywhere either.

>>34370282
>thinking the American people are smart enough to realize that unless runs an hour long special report telling them that was the case

>>34370324
*CNN runs

>>34370281
It's like I'm really back in 2002.

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>>34368173

the dude cuddling and hand holding is nice (its not gay if its underway)

>>34368802

show me your keys to the sea chest faggit

>>34369566

kek i do this too, it tends to mind fuck people

>>34370282

bullshit

there is a right of way and the US vessel was the giveway vessel

>>34370727

lol the sea chest is the water ingress route for the engine coolant

fuck off walter

>>34369138
Someone with an IQ above 60.

>>34346991
God...They are trying to blame the Russians.

>>34371905
>God...They are trying to blame the Russians.
Of course. MUH RUSSIANS is the default mode for all the cucked countries...

>>34346991
>Did Russians hack it??

Please do explain how to "hack" completely closed network systems.

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>>34372464

>>34372539
>scare mongering clickbait article

Apparently you fail to grasp what a "CLOSED NETWORK SYSTEM" is. It would not matter if there was not a single cyber attack firewall in place. If there is not a wireless pathway Local area network pathway to hack into then you can't hack into the system. Operational systems on warships are compartmentalized closed network systems. Only non mission critical systems are networked. The absolute most Russians ( or anyone for that matter ) could do is much about with their coms.

>>34348213
How much does an anchor cost?

>>34369714
> I've gone several days with nothing even on the radar (c.50 nautical miles)
Is that because there's nothing out there or because your radar was made in Mexico?

>>34372584
>phase 1. Teams of russian frogmen sneak up to the base of the carrier
>phase 2. Using the latest slingshot tech they begin deploying usb sticks with autorunning l337 hax to any open space
>phase 3. Some utter GCSE scraper of a dumbass finds a stick, plugs it in
>QE is now the worlds largest floating cryptominer.

>>34373413
you forgot the magical flying unicorns.

>>34373474
Only the officers get those

>>34373413
If the QE's underkeel space is compromised to that point, the vodyanoy might as well try to sabotage the damn bitch.

>>34373505
Then where do they get their cryotobux from?

>>34351460
>Repeated failure to comply would get you smoked
Not in a commercial shipping lane it wouldn't. During a war, it might though.

>I was always under the impression, Warships had the right of way, also the civilian craft needed to maintain a healthy distance from any warship, Carrier battle groups.
Then you misunderstood what the right-of-way rules are about. They're not like regular rules enforced by police because that's how the government wants things, they are rules about making sure everyone knows what to do to avoid collisions, taking into account that boats are hard to stop and don't usually turn quickly.

Because these rules are really about reality and not about what governments would like, warships don't get a say really. There is a thing about pleasure craft having right of way but that's because you expect amateur sailors to be less competent than professional ones, no yacht owner would actually rely on that though.

In ports, the port ships usually have right of way too but that actually is political, the laws of the open sea are different.

>>34370727
I love the little touches in these charts, like the Vorpal Rabbit's icon being longer than the other 2, or the Thunderbirds in the AF one.

>Ameriburger army incapable of detecting xboxhueg shipsWhat's next, couldn't detect a continent, Ameriburger education kids. Enjoy nohealth care and low wages cucks.
AHAHAHAHA

>>34348213
That video never gets old

>>34373413
>>QE is now the worlds largest floating cryptominer.

And that DATA get's transmitted out exactly how again? Non networked means non networked. Data can not get in and data can not get out. The worst you have done us caused a bad day for the Computer tech who now has to wipe the memory and reload the operating software from backups.

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>>34346991
>Did Russians hack it??

YES

>>34347348

Can guarantee this happened.

>>34349006
>some 50 trillion dollar super-high tech top-of-the-line spy ship that could trace your shitposting and send you back pics of your dick.
Fucking kek

>>34349006
truth right there

>>34347721
>Well neither did the Russian intelligence ship, which has even more senors than a Navy destroyer.
What would mexicans be doing on a Russian vessel?