Milsurp Ted

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How much is early 1950s-production Yugo surplus 8mm worth? The ammo is still in the original 15-round boxes, but the rounds I've seen are pretty clean.

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Posting this again, tl;dr version

Is a Remington Model 10A for $150 a good deal? I watched that C&Rsenal video one anon gave me. I want her now but I want to make sure it's a good price

>>34339677
Yes

I saw a Gew. 88 today with literally no markings on the receiver. No serials, no proofs, no markings at all. Didn't even see a Gew. 88 marking on the side. How far did some countries go when sanitizing rifles of markings?

>>34339691
Thank you

Is $.30 a round good for 7.62x54r? These a guy selling about 200 rounds at that price but I havent shot any in a long time

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>>34339333
>mfw power supply fried my computer and my new gun money went to that
I just wanted a mukden type 38 long rifle

>>34340845
What is this?

>>34341273
For non bulk, that's pretty decent.

>>34341273
Cheapest I can find is 40 cpr

>>34341467
>>34341481
Sweet. Ill call him up monday and get it. Pretty sure its spam can leftovers

>>34341507
As long as non corrosive
http://ammoseek.com/ammo/7.62x54r

>>34341578
There is literally no english anywhere on the boxes. Im guessing theyre probably salted.

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Good deal? Yes or no?

>>34341399

It looks either Belgian or Turkish. Leaning towards Turkish...

>>34341713

If you're a Leaf that's an ok deal, I paid $380 for mine 6 months ago but that's because the stupid dealer thought it was Russian. You could sell that on CGN for at least $600 if the condition is actually mint.

You may want to buy it anyway as those are the absolute best finished Mosins.

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>>34341740
Is it really. I thought that was high.. i didnt get to look at that the bore, but i can assure you the rest of the rifle looked like i literally picked it up the line its so nice

>>34341740
>>34341772
Sorry theyre sideways

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>>34341784

>>34341796
I mean if you wanted one anyway then that price isn't terrible. If you want to buy it for resale then no that's not a great deal. If it's a 1951 then I'd pick it up regardless, those are the rarest year of production and any price under $600 for one is good.

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>>34341890
Common year as far as i know. I feel like its been in the store for a long time, i might go in and offer him $375 cash and see if hell sell it. He also had an sks for like $800

>>34339398

Generally somewhere around ~50 cents a round. I've seen it go for 45-55 most of the time. More or less all surplus 8mm is around that price now.

>>34341972
Sounds like a plan. You can't be in Canada with an SKS priced that high... wtf is he thinking? It must be on consignment or something.

Anyone who pays $800 for an SKS that isn't North Korean or a Nam bringback is heavily retarded. ARs are under $700 now, there's no reason for an SKS unless it's under $350 or you have cucked laws.

>t.leaf

>>34341713
No, unless the bolt is matching

>>34342024

Local store has an Albanian SKS for $900. Granted there's only a few thousand in the States, but still.

I don't see the appeal of all these slav shit guns

>>34342200

Good. More for me.

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>>34342024
Exacto! Its a consignment shop hole in the wall. I honestly wouldnt be surprised if i bought the rifle and the just handed it to me and said good day. I usually buy 5.56 there because the guy sells it for like 26 cents a round. He also sells Chilean and Peruvian mausers at like 400-500 burgerbux and type 99s that are so rusted you cant move the bolt for 200-300.
He also has a mossberg model 50 with target sights that looks like a lee enfield for $300. I know nothing of these and was wondering if thats high too?

>>34342110
Keeping this in mind when i go back to look at it. Anything else i should look for?

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>>34340845
Nice carbine. Need a long one to complement it now.

>>34341399
Argentine Mauser Model 1891 Engineer's carbine.

>>34342205
B&B Outdoors?

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>have to work tomorrow instead of shooting new gat
I am sad

>>34342205
Not really much else to look out for. An all matching polish m44 is rare in the states, some go as high as $600.

>>34342438
Antique mall in central florida
>>34342468
Christ. Okay. Thank you

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>>34342447
It's money for more guns, Anon. So there's that.

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Local LGS has an Iranian Mauser for 499. Wood, bore, action all in good shape. The Persian lettering/marking is all clear.

I don't really have the funds for it now but regardless, is it a good deal? I haven't seen one here or in the wild before.

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>>34342518
>is it a good deal?
The VG-Excellent condition Vz.98/29s are closing in on $1K these days. If it's all-matching and in Good or better condition I'd say that's fair.

>>34339333
How do you like your M39? I have one myself and it's my first milsurp and I love it, but what does /k/ think of the Finnish Mosins?

>>34342447
Gib MAS nao

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>>34342559
Did someone say MAS?

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Picked up my no1 mk3 yesterday and my ffl happened to have some surplus 303 ammo. Where do these come from and would they be ok to shoot?

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>>34342728
>Where do these come from
Royal Laboratory, Woolwich Arsenal.
>and would they be ok to shoot?
I'd shoot them.

>>34342555

I haven't shot it yet actually. I don't get out to shoot much, so I have about 10 guns now that I haven't shot at all. Gonna get some rounds downrange on the 1st though, got a nogunz friend that's coming over.

>>34342559
It's mine nigga

>>34342914
You need to get out more. I try to shoot once every two weeks.

Wew

Alright so not technically surplus but.
The lgs has a remington model 8 in .32 for $775. What do you all think? Good deal?

>>34339333
Who's sweaty Ben? IVE seen him referenced twice and Google doesn't help, just a soccer player named Ben sweat

>>34342728
They're worth more as collectables.

Has anyone ever considered getting a machine gun parts kit just to put together as much as you could as a historical collectors item, and not to shoot?

>>34343307

I'm on 5 acres, so I can actually just shoot here really, I'm just lazy and want to spend my money on more guns more than ammo.

>>34343359

He's the guy who does the videos for Classic Arms.

>>34341578
>>34341507
>>34341481
>>34341467
>>34341273
You can still get it in bulk for like 20 cpr though.

Why would someone buy it piecemeal for a more expensive price?

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>>34342762
They're cordite right? Any problems with hangfires that you know of?

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>>34343747
>Any problems with hangfires that you know of?
Never had any from that particular manufacturer. I did shoot up a couple hundred rounds of G&B-made 1943-dated Mk.VII with no hangfires, but a few split cases.

Just follow standard safety procedures and hangfires are unlikely to harm you. Nice smelly, Anon.

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>>34343792
Thanks friendo, I won it last week on GB for $290. Unfortunately it didn't have an ejector spring so I'm not gonna be able to shoot it till the replacements get here

>>34341972
I'd only do that cash offer if you know it's been on the shelf with no interest for 6 months or more

>>34343296
It's too bad Obama didn't run again, then I could get an ObamaMAS from one of dem programs.

>>34343339
I think those are going for about $1000 usually

>>34344148

Jesus...there's one on the wall at my LGS too, I should see what the price is.

>>34344227
They are pretty damn rare I think. what state?

>>34344258

WA. There's also a guy at a local, monthly, gun show that had like 3 of them on his table.

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>>34342330
You are correct sir.

I have a Mint Argentine M1909 as well

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>>34341320
Why that particular arsenal?

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>>34341320
I used to own one of the carbines. All matching too.

It's actually Hoten Arsenal. The Japanese changed the name.

>>34343839
Why? Do you not negotiate on your gun prices? I would honestly say that about 80 percent of the time they take an offer lower than you would think. It helps a lot if tell them youre buying it to use. Not resale.
T. Guy who bought a ruger mk.2 in good condition for $180 just buy telling him it was all i had and wanted snake gun

>>34344976
My grandfather gave me his trophy Mukden marked Type 30 bayonet before he died. I want the rifle to go with it.

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>>34344526
You've really knocked your Mauser collection up a notch, Anon. I like.

>>34343571
>buy lots of guns
>don't have ammo for them
What good is a gun with no ammo?

>>34346172
The kind that never gets shot

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>>34345433
I'm looking for a bayonet and a type 99 from Hoten to match my 38 so I feel you

>>34346248
>not shooting a gun you have
What's the point

>>34346399
I've bought 12 guns in the last two years and gone shooting once

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Guys I need your help and collective wisdom. I've got no fucking clue what this Mauser is or who it was made for and the guy that owns it has no clue either. I'm going to pic dump and hopefully you guys can help me cos google isn't pushing up much.

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Here is more

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and the last one that doesnt exceed mb limit

>>34346523

Looks like a plain jane Model 1910 sporting Mauser.

>>34346547
What would that be worth?

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>>34346337
>I'm looking for a bayonet and a type 99 from Hoten
Hhahahaha. *breathes* hahaha. There is like less than 20 Type 99s known from Hoten. There weren't even known about until the 1980s when some appeared in the imports from China. All were beat to shit too.

A year or two ago a totally stripped action, no ejector, sights, bolts etc. sold for over $2,000.

>>34346491
>>34346508
>>34346523
I believe it's Costa Rican. It's missing it's handguard.

>>34346431
I've bought 1 gun a month this year and have shot all but 1 that I bought last week and I just got ammo for.

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>>34346617
>Less than 20 type 99s know
Fugg

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>>34346491
>>34346508
>>34346523
It's a Model 1910 commercial military rifle. It has German commercial firing proofs on it, meaning it was not made for a specific national contract but is an "off-the-shelf" example which might be sold to anyone, government or private individual, who wanted a Mauser military rifle quick.

As >>34346786 mentioned, Costa Rica contracted for several thousand of these (they have a Costa Rican crest), and Serbia also adopted the Model 1910 (again, with a Serbian crest on the receiver ring). I have anecdotal evidence that other countries in Central/South America purchased M1910s, but without digging into the actual Mauser Werke records (most of which were destroyed in WW2) it would be impossible to trace its end-user if the rifle itself has no unique markings.

What does he want for it?

Gun show tomorrow, I'll have to poast if I get anything interesting.

>>34346172

If I'm going to USE a gun then I'll use my AR15/AR-10, the rest of my guns are for owning and occasionally having fun with.

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It's real surplus hours; who the fuck up?

I have a 100 year old Krag Jorgensen where the blackening on the front sight has been brushed down to blank metal, making it a pain to use the iron sights. Anyone got some DIY tips on how to blacken it again using basic home products?
I've tried applying shoe polish and lighting it on fire, but it rubs off as soon as I put the rifle back in it's case.

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>>34349785
ayyo what's up?

>>34350044
use a zippo lighter, the soot will blacken it pretty good.

>>34350044
Sight black.
http://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-tools-supplies/sight-scope-installation-tools/sight-insert-kits/sight-black-prod57188.aspx

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Surp

>>34350628

What happened with the stock?

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Bought a bayonet for my MAS 49/56

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>>34350650
Looks like it's been Finned

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Just got this like 15 minutes ago for $450. Does anyone know anything about it? Did i overpay? Its 30-06 and i feel like i got a good deal. Its mint condition. It was this or a Mas36 for $275, but i have never seen one of these.

My repro cleaning rod for my Arisaka is getting stuck a few inches before it's ready to thread. Should I file down the diameter of the cleaning rod a bit?

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>>34351098
That picture came out much worse than I expected

>>34350650
>>34351098
It's not just finn'd, it's a Finn. 1942 vkt

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Did I fuck up /k/

>>34351339
>good gun

Yeah ya did

>>34351100
Good gun but you overpaid by $100.
Mas for $275 is a steal. Eh who cares milsurp will only go up

>>34351339
Good score! Enjoy your Type 38.

>>34351359
Can you tell me anything about it? I cant seem to find any info on them

>>34348566
The guy said he was looking to get $300 for it but I could probably talk him down. Should I go for it?

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>>34351349
>>34351372
Not being sarcastic, might have actually fucked up. I highly doubt it's shooter grade and matching, my original bid was way lower but I got worked up and lost my brain when someone else started to outbid me. I feel so stupid.

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>>34339333
So when reassembling my mosin after removing all the the cosmoline, I put the recoil lug in at an angle, which made the barrel bands hard as Hell to put on. After realizing my mistake I had already scratched up the finish on the forend. (Pic related) how should I best repair my mistake?

>>34351383
Sure can you post some nice close ups especially receiver/crest?

>>34351445
Yea now it makes sense. Look anon just pass the buck to someone else. If I had read that I would have bid a max $80, fuck him and his $350 of parts

>>34351484
Why the fuck would you ever remove a recoil lug? In fact no milsurp rifle should ever have its recoil lug taken out. Once seated and set it stays there forever. Then again it's mosin so who cares

>>34351531
Removing 100 percent of cosmoline

>>34351519
What do you mean? I already won the bid. I was just gonna pawn it once I got it.

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>>34351508
Phone posting from my parents house

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>>34351607
This is all of the marking on it

>>34351548
That's cute but you never ever remove the recoil lug. Cosmoline will never be removed 100% there will be traces in the wood. Removing a recoil lug is the dumbest thing you can do

>>34351607
>>34351618
FN of Belgium had tooling and equipment for manufacturing K98s. Post ww2 they received a large contract to equip Colombian military with a bolt action rifle, so naturally they agreed upon tried and true Mauser. Interestingly it was chambered in .30-06 due to ththe fact that USA was equipping them with ammo at the time and it should have a notch in the receiver to use 1903 stripper clips. If your rifle is all matching then it spent its life in Colombia most likely. They are one of the best mausers ever made right up there with swedes and Germans. You will enjoy it and don't worry about the price tag

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>>34350628
Also surp.

>>34351707
I wish

>>34351665
Well it shoots just fine

>>34351548
Lol having any play in recoil lug will fuck up any remnant of accuracy. Good job on doing one thing you are never suppose to do on a fucking rifle. Lugs are set in wood removing them fucks stock and the lug, it's never the same afterwards

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>>34351100
If we're talking strictly monetary value you fucked up big time. The Mas is at least a 350 gun now and climbing. Whereas you overpaid a little on the Mauser.
But that's just speaking in terms of money. Ultimately what interests you more is the only thing that matters. And the FN Mausers are very nice.

>>34339333
Is 400 for a matching 1922 lithgow no1mk4 and bayonet too high?

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>>34351713
Oh it's definitely milsurp.

>>34351759
'I wish' as in 'I wish I fucking had it', you silly

>>34351755
no also thats a mark III i think

>>34351774
Yeah, it is I mistyped

>>34351766
I MAY have been rubbing it in.

Honestly though I wish these were as cheap and common as Mosins. They're fantastic rifles to shoot.

>>34351100
>>34351607
>>34351618
FN Model 1930 carbine, Colombian contract, originally in caliber 7x57mm Mauser. I think I see a "Perron" firing proof on the left of the receiver ring, which would make this a pre-WW2 example. In the 1950s Colombia began to receive surplus US military equipment and converted many of their older Mauser models to .30-'06 to share ammo. I don't think you overpaid; the FN carbines are much less-common than the short-rifles, and being in .30-'06 is a big plus if you want a fun little shooter.

FN had been manufacturing various Mauser models since 1890; first as a part of the Loewe arms conglomeration, and after WW1 they cast off their German owner and along with CZ-Brno filled in the huge manufacturing gap left by the Versailles Treaty cutting Germany out of the military arms market. They were producing M1930 short rifles and carbines on contract for Colombia before and after WW2.

>>34351755
I find pre-WW2 Lithgow rifles to be much less-common compared to their younger siblings. If it hasn't been molested by Bubba I think that's a fair price.

>>34351484
You put the recoil lug at an angle? Ok someone already sperged out about it(rightfully so) so let me briefly tell you what you've done here.
Recoil lug is set in the stock when a rifle is born. Over the years lug sets into the stock and becomes integral part of it. YOU NEVER remove it out. It wasn't meant to be removed out I don't care what anyone tells you. You rather replace the stock before messing with the lug,
You not only took it out but you put it at an angle creating a stress point in the stock that exerts unequal pressure on the barrel as a result. That rifle is shot

>>34351702
Thank you anon. Thank you so very much! All numbers are matching and wood/bore are in fantasic condition.

>>34351733
Then am I going to have to get a new stock?

>>34351799
It has not. Everything is right as it should be. Few dings in the stock, but otherwise looks good. The bore is immaculate. Missing the magazine cut off, but thats a fairly cheap part to replace.

>>34351839
>Missing the magazine cut off
Most likely intentional. They often deliberately left the cut off off, even though the kept the slot for it. It's one of those herpes features (it keeps coming back).

>>34351445
>will not accept C&R license to ship to
>will not ship a C&R gun to a C&R holder

What a faggot.

Norinco sks with matching parts and it doesn't look used.
How much are they worth?

>>34351826
Not yet. Shoot the bitch and let the lug settle in again. You may want to epoxy inside the lug opening and jam that lug in the way it was to let it settle and solidify. This will most likely be enough but again don't ever take a lug out from another rifle .
FYI some surp shooters took the lug out and then simply coated it in epoxy around it and let it settle in the stock so that's tried and true method

>>34352056
$199

>>34352056
$400 - $500

Depending if it's a Type 56 or a commercial model

>>34352067
In 2005

>>34352071
Looks like a type 56
It has a Bakelite hand guard
I don't know if that means anything

>>34352064
Will do this, thanks a lot for your help!!

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>Gun show
>Find a Chiang Kai-Shek rifle
>itsonTheList.bmp
>Make offer, accepted
>Fill out paperwork
>Wait...wait...wait...
>Phone call, seller talks for a while
>Cops think it's stolen
>mfw
>mfw I don't have a face
>Hopefully they'll clear it so I can buy it
>Seller also has a Vz. 24
>Pic related

Stopped by a pawn shop on the way back and picked up the bayonet. $310 for the rifle, $50 for the bayonet, how'd I do?

>>34352093
Less money

>>34352126
They're selling in for 395, so I'm guessing that's not low enough.

>>34351755

I paid $375 for a 1941 without a bayonet, so you did better than me, I think you did pretty damn good.


>>34351100

Any chance of getting the MAS to me? I'd pay $275 plus shipping...

>>34352157
That's not bad for a Type 56, but always haggle.

>>34352163
I had to run to the atm to get more cash to buy the MAS for myself. I walked away and in the literal 7 minutes that i was gone, he sold it. I really wanted it for myself though. From now on im bringing no less than $800 cash.

>>34352220

I took $1500 with me to the show I just went to. If it wasn't for the fact that I'm hoping to pick up a Garand at another show next month I'd have made an offer on a K98k as well.

>>34352220
You can usually throw them a 20 to hold it for you while you dash to the ATM

>>34352125
I think you did pretty good. It's an obscure rifle so its definitely is worth more than a run of the mill vz24

>>34352482

wat

I didn't get the Chiang Kai-Shek, I'm still waiting on the cops to clear it (and the seller doubts they will), I got the Vz. 24 as a consolation.

Lads I just got a VZ24 for $145 from a pawn shop. How did I do?

>>34352623
good/10

great if its got the lion on the receiver

7mm or 8mm?

>>34352234
I was going to bring more, but my fudd father convinced me i wouldnt need it. I mean, we go every year and it typically sucks, so hard to blame him.


>>34352306
I wasnt thinking. I really should have though. I just didnt think he would sell it that quick. Atm was at the entrance and his booth was like 8 booths back

>>34352634
Receiver is scrubbed and hey have it marked at 8mm but this same shop had a bubbad Type 38 marked as a K98 lol so it's really anyone's guess. Is there anything that I should look for as warning signs?

>>34352623

Pretty damn good.

>>34341713
I'm getting an M44 from -46, shot less than 60rds, for 200 €uropoor moneys next month. Based on that i think you shouldn't pay that much for one, no matter how clean it is.

>>34352716
the european gun market is very different than the us one
>>34352668
its a mauser. just general old gun stuff ig

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>>34344526
All those Mosins and SKS' need a Tokarev beside them

>>34352810
>tfw found a really nice tokarev at a gunshow
>tfw out of state license.

>>34352840
>not having a c&r

>>34352891
>Need to be 21

>>34352910
>wasting your youth on vietnamese pottery website

>>34352840
>>34352891
>>34352910
Wait. Is this a thing? I buy rifles at gun shows all the time with an out of state license. Sometimes through background check, sometimes cash and carry

>>34352891
Oh shit you're right. I'll have to work on getting one of those.

>>34352919
Rifles are a-okay to buy but not handguns.

>>34352925
Ahh okie

>>34339677
Forgot to mention, I've been reading about the shell size and it seems that 2 9/16 is the correct size. Where do I even find these? Can I just use light 2 3/4 shells?

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>>34352623
>How did I do?
Breddy gud.

BRNO-fist.

>>34352668
>Receiver is scrubbed
If the serial number has the letter "R" as the second character it's a Romanian-contract, and thus in 8x57mm.

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>>34352125
here

So the guy had it tagged as a Czech M24/47, I talked to him about it and figured it was a Vz. 24, but I noticed just now that it actually has M24/47 on the side of the receiver.

So now I need to figure it out. This is a pic of the crest, is it a Yugo M24/47? Or did the Czechs make an M24/47 as well?

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>>34352125
>>34353052
That's a Yugoslavian M24/47 (though bayonet looks like a Vz.24 bayonet). The M24/47 is a Commie-rebuilt FN Model 1924 short rifle, which the Kingdom of Yugoslavia produced under license from 1928-1941. K. of Yugoslavia also puchased 92,000 Vz.24 rifles before WW2 began, but they are standard-length M98 actions and so their major parts (like stocks, barrels, etc.) are not inter-changeable with the FN M24. The Vz.24s that the Yugo Commies re-built were designated M24/52C.

>>34352748
Yeah i've figured, but the differences in prices is laughable. You guys wouldn't pay over 1k buck skins for an AR, whereas the cheapest ones here go for 1,5k at least. Then again, we get slavshit for like at least half the price, maybe even less. Btw, the Tokarev and M95 levernugget are mine aswell. Tokarev cost me 400€
>>34352810

Selling some shit so I can nab another AK.
How much should I try and part my mosins out at?
Does $200 for a generic 1943 91/30 sound normal nowadays or still too high?

I've got,
>1925 hex tula 91/30 with both imperial russian and early communist markings
>1938 91/30 tula with Finnish capture SA stamp
>generic 1943 Izhevsk 91/30

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>>34353144
>Does $200 for a generic 1943 91/30 sound normal nowadays or still too high?
I bet you'll find somebody to pay that F2F, now that online retailers are pushing $300.

>>34353108

The bayonet is a Vz. 24, I bought it separately from the rifle.

Thanks for the info! That's actually good as a M24/47 was higher on my list than a Vz. 24.

>>34353144

Mosins are going for $300 now. $300 face to face, 200+ online, adding in shipping and FFL makes it close to $300. You can easily get that much for them.

I'd love the Imperial one or the Tula, but I shouldn't be buying any 91/30s ATM.

>>34353113
Funland?

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>>34352810
Oh neat, I have one of those too.

>>34353212
nice sandals

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>>34353188
>>34353164
>$300
Neat.

It's weird to think they were $80-120 only 4-5 years ago.

>>34353188
Any clue what the other two would go for FTF?

>>34353238

Yeah. They might sit a while at $300 though, if you want them to move you'll wanna put them at like $250.

So many guns to buy, so little money, a hex Tula with Imperial markings would be breddy gud.

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>>34353218
Thanks, they're my wifes.

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>>34353238
Time flies.

every week, week after week he lists this rusty pos

http://www.gunbroker.com/item/655789069

>>34353269

Someone would pay $200 for the sights alone.

>>34353191
Bingo

>>34353212
A sexy beast, my good sir.

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>>34351157
Which one is it? The Top is a Type 99's cleaning rod, the bottom is the Type 38's. I think you have the wrong rod.

>>34353318

These days cheap ARs in American means $400 and under.

Kap did you get that ross

>>34353287
think its worth 350?

>>34353348
Hahah, now that IS cheap. I paid 420€ for a Vz.61 Skorpion last week and have absolutely zero regrets.

>>34353392

We're in a post-election glut since everyone was prepping for a Clinton win.

>>34353391
I wouldn't pay more than $50 for that rusted piece of shit I don't give a fuck what anyone says

fuck liberty tree

>cheap k31's SOLD
>all sorts of interesting mannlichers SOLD

ree take your shit down

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dump of some of mine

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>>34353364
Auction still going.

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>>34353837
>>34353825
>>34353819
>>34353810
>>34353804
>>34353798
This is advanced shitposting

>>34353810
This picture reeks of NEET

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can anyone tell me about this Berthier I got at the gun show? what do these markings mean?
>non matching obviously
>MA S 1916 on the other side
>5rd mag
>rifle length
>saddle ring
>pretty decent shape, some surface rust and pitting

>>34353927
That auction is still at a pretty good price. Hope you get it.

>>34354232
it was owned by the number one faggot from the nation of faggots and was passed down to his heir.

>>34354336
I do too.

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>>34354232
It's a Mousqueton de Artillerie Modèle 1892 Modifié 1916 by St. Etienne arsenal. It probably wasn't made that way as the 5 round magazine wasn't fully developed yet. It was most likely made as a Mousqueton de Artillerie Modèle 1892 and converted post war.
>saddle ring
What do you mean by this?

Is the barrel and receiver N marked? Pic related.

>>34354794
I see, it has no N. But I believe the receiver is a 1907-15 one. And by saddle ring, I mean the front sling swivel was replaced by a big ol loop

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>>34354961
Oh, is it a long rifle?

Almost all Berthiers use the sling ring on the left side.

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So, would I make more money walking around a gunshow with my 91/30 or just accepting a dude off facebook's $230?

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>>34339333
Im sitting out RIA this go around. The regional auctions they do bring out all the retards that overpay for shit.

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>>34351400
Yes. Hard to find a more pleasant shooter for $300

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>>34353843

>>34354993
Yep, long rifle. Do you need the N stamp to fire modern loads?

>>34355209
No, you only need it to shoot surplus, should you manage to find any.

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>>34355209
>Yep, long rifle.
Then it's a Fusil de Infanterie Modèle 1907-1915 Modifié 1916.

>Do you need the N stamp to fire modern loads?
No. The N stamp just means the chamber was opened up to allow safe firing of the M1932N cartridge. It's actually better for the brass if you're a reloading as it doesn't stretch as much.

If you find any sort of French surplus, you can't safely fire it as nearly all of it was from Hotchkiss strips like these and they're all the 1932N cartridge.

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I have question for you anons
I went firing with my nugget for the first time a week ago, and came back and gave it a through cleaning. I just decided to go fondle it today when i noticed that it started to have rust on the bolt. I took the bolt apart and checked the firing pin and spring, and both have no rust, so it seems like its mostly superficial. My question is what can i do to get rid of this rust?

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>>34355376
Heres another picture of some more rust

>>34355376
>>34355382
Did you leave it outside in the rain for a few days before picking it up again?

>>34355376
>>34355382
do you live under the sea?

>>34355404
>>34355399
I live in socal, and it's been sitting in an area out of the sun.

>>34339702
Probably a Hanyang ripoff.
They made some for a while and I've never seen their receiver markings.

>>34353343
I have the bottom, I specifically ordered a type 38 repro rod. I couldn't even get them in Canada so I used a cross border shipping company for it.

>>34355415
I'm astonished by your ability to have things rust at a pace never before seen.

Soak it in white vinegar, scrub it with copper wool or a tooth brush, and then oil it

>>34355508
Thanks anon

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>>34355499
Then there may be something stuck in the cleaning rod channel.

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Does the SA stamp add to the value at all?

>>34355573
Depends on the gun, but for most guns it actually decreases the value.

>>34355573
it actually stands for Stupid Ass

>>34355604
How so?
I thought the finnish capture part would add like $20-50 in value to a 91/30.

>>34355626
:(

>>34355636
As I said, depends on the gun. It might add a very slight premium to a M91/30, but if it's a "recapture" it should be suspect as the stamps are available. Even then, an original matching M91/30, bit Finnish captured is worth a hell of a lot less than one that doesn't have anything Finnish added including the SA, 41, D marks.

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Got my vkt from classic today

>>34355668
How would one know if it was a "recapture"?

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SA for stupid ass

>>34355668
>Even then, an original matching M91/30, bit Finnish captured is worth a hell of a lot less than one that doesn't have anything Finnish added including the SA, 41, D marks.
So you're saying that a matching 91/30 is worth more than a matching 91/30 with a finnish stamp?

I'm a bit confused.

>>34355703
the pawn shop I had it shipped to was selling 2 91/30s for $279 each
>mfw I paid less than that for this Finn
they also had a Winchester m1 Carbine for $799 and a TTC for $269

>>34355340
So would ppu 8mm lebel work on my 1890?

>>34355687
>Fell for the jew

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>>34355756
yeah, but I'm not upset about it
probably won't pay his prices again though

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>>34355739
Yes, though good luck finding any right now. Been sold out everywhere for over a year.

>>34355807
Do they only make a small amount every couple of years?

>>34355705
No, I'm saying ORIGINAL matching rifles are worth more without the SA. Not your typical refurb.

>>34355739
Yes.

>>34355826
It used to be one big batch yearly, and was supposed to be in around mid may this year. But now I have no idea. Their cases are still widely available though, so reloading is in play.

>>34355376
Get some autosol

>>34355300
>>34355340
oh ok, I heard that crap is rife with duds and hangfires anyways. thanks guys!

>>34355807
I have some on hand. I just thought i couldn't use it cause no "N" barrel

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Trying to buy mosin ammo.
What's a spam can of russian 7.62x54r worth?

I remember them being like $80 last time I bought any.

>>34356239
Now days around $150 if you're lucky

>>34356239
I saw one on armslist for like $140 nearby

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SMLE master race

>>34355722
lel Russian SKS's can still be had for $200 pristine in the Cosmo.

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>buy 200 rounds of m1 garand ammo all in en-bloc clips
>check bullets
>LC-66 with red sealant on primers
>135 total

did I do good bros?

>>34355562
well shit, how the fugg do I fix that?

>>34355722
all the good slavshit milsurp is drying up
svt-40s can't be had and are skyrocketing in prices
skses are going up too
even mosins cost a lot now
plus all the cool stuff like mausers is expensive and there's barely any more interesting stuff like arisakas and mas rifles

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Daily reminder K98 is best 98

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>>34356676

>>34356676
Which K98?

>>34355090

Either way you'll probably get about the same price.

>>34355166

I ended up cancelling my bids because they were all outbid earlier and I decided to go to the gun show instead.

>>34355573

Personally I would pay a bit more for one like that. I like the added history of a gun that changed sides.

>>34339333
I have an old SMLE no.4 mk.1 that was was sporterized and I would like to restore it, but the barrel seems to have been cut back behind the bayonet lugs and there is no front sight. Is it even possible to restore?

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>>34356695
German obviously. All the others are just pretending to be K98s

>>34356835
I think he means between A, AZ, and K, in which case AZ is clearly best

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>>34356850
k is clearly the superior choice

>the entire staff of the people who import PPU ammo is only 8 people
I guess I shouldn't complain about spotty availability

>>34356814
When the barrel has been cut it's usually too far gone to restore. Best to just use it as a hunting rifle or plinker.

>>34356941
that sucks, but I don't have much problem with it being for hunting or plinking except I just don't like the way the stock fits on the barrel and the way my father and I jammed a front sight onto the front end of the barrel

>>34356969
Best part is since it is already sporterized you can do whatever to it that you want to improve it. Might be a fun project.

>>34356989
I suppose so

>>34356989
>>34357004
I know that it had to have been sporterized after the war but my father is convinced that it was made to be that way during the war for soldiers who would have been in close quarters

>>34357013
Yea, definitely after. I had a guy try to sell me a GEW 98 that was imported from Spain in the 50's or 60's that the importer cut down into a Mannlicher style rifle. Tried to tell me "soldiers would do that because they were too long for the trenches."

>>34356446
I want a No1 so fucking bad.
>>34356676
Wrong.

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>>34356850
This guy gets it.

>>34355668
If you are trying to say a non refurbished 91/30 is worth more, then yes. Otherwise you are wrong.

>>34357297
Not him, but if someone is selling a normal refurb 91/30 for $250 then could another person expect to ask $300 for an SA stamped one?

>>34357310
>then could another person expect to ask $300 for an SA stamped one?
Any refurb M91/30 with an [SA] stamp should be viewed with suspicion these days. There's a lot of new-made [SA] stamping dies out there, and a couple years ago a guy in, I think, North Carolina, was caught selling refurb M91/30s he had stamped with the [SA]. There are legit Finn-captured-Russian-re-captured M91/30s out there (there are also Finn-made M91/30s (m/30) that were captured and refurbished by the Russians just like any of their M91/30s), and sorting out the legit ones from the fakes takes detective work.

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>>34357128
my friend scored a No1 Mk1 but I trumped him with the Metford

>>34357418
Yea the "Mosin Corner" not to be confused with the "Mosin Crate" who is a pretty cool guy and doesn't afraid of anything

>>34357438

I saw a Lee-Metford today, it was sporterized.

>>34343747
>They're cordite right?
no. Mk VII is nitrocellulose

>>34357466
Mk.VIIZ is nitro. No "Z" = no nitro.

>>34351157
>>34353343
>>34355499
Type 38 cleaning rods dont thread in. they are held in place with a spring near the muzzle

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>>34351805
>That rifle is shot
dont be so melodramatic

>>34357447
I saw a Lee-Metford (or a long lee or something) once, it was a Khyber Pass copy

>>34357472
wait, British soldiers were still firing cordite ammo through WWII?

>>34357562
Try well into the 60's

>>34357581
why the ever loving fuck did they do that?

>>34357592
I have no idea

>>34356676
>polish gun is best
No

>>34357418
It's not that hard to tell. [SA] stamped 91/30s are usually not refurbs and look worn. If it looks too good to be true it probably is.

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>>34357447
Queen Victoria would not be amused.

sks or nagant for first slavshit?

>>34358238

are you more about that semi auto or bolt action life senpai?

are k31's worth $450 these days?

some guy on armslist is listing one not too far from me for that

>>34359089
God i hope not

>>34358238
SKS has a lighter round, a bit more comfortable in terms of ergonomics, semi auto is always a plus but it's more difficult to clean.
The Mosin is a helluva lot of fun but is a little stale, it's a pretty meh bolt action compared to others and often can have the bolt stick when casings expand after firing but it's easy to clean and cheap.

>>34358238
Nagant. Revolvers are fun.

What is a reasonable price for a Type 99 in pretty good condition? The metal is not pitted or rusted and appears to have original finish, the wood looks unmolested, antiaircraft sights, nice chrysanthemum, smooth action, and a clean bore with good rifling? No monopod or cover. I've been looking on GB but it's hard to get a good gauge because these things are pretty varied. They want $500 for it, and I want a Jap gun to shoot more so than collect (but not "last ditch").

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Did I fuck up?

>buy Yugo Mauser for cheap
>it's COVERED in cosmoline
>do the trashbag method to get rid of it
>wipe down stock
>it looks like pic related now

Is this normal? From all the pictures I've seen, Yugo Mausers are supposed to be red or tan, not an odd mottled mixture of the two.

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>>34359361

>>34359361
Probably a replacement hand guard

>>34359296
That's not bad of a price, see if you can get them down a bit. Make sure the bolt matches as well, since I've heard (on the type 38 at least) that a mismatched bolt really brings down the smoothness of the action.

>>34359361
>>34359374
You probably just don't have all the cosmoline out, however it's not that uncommon to have stocks with different hues in the finish. That reddish/brown color comes from the oil oxidizing as it ages; a stock covered in grease won't oxidize as quickly.

its fucking cosmoline

use hot water. people keep doing goofy shit with it. Some fucker put his nugget in the oven last week

>>34359391

The stock itself has some odd stripes going on though. Like half of it is red, while other stripes are brown.

I just want to make sure I didn't damage it somehow.

>>34359407

>nugget in the oven

It's the wrong kind of nugget for that though.

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Gewehr 98 with double stampings representin'!

I walked into my (fudd) lgs and the owner showed me a nugget he traded for earlier in the day. He wants to get rid of it and is asking $100, as far as he and I can tell its in good order and is working. Is it worth it? I'm tempted.

>>34359296
Non-matching With no monopod or dust cover is about $350. Unless it's a rare arsenal or something.

Anybody know where to get new 8 mm lebel brass? I've looked everywhere I can think of and all I can find is some range brass at over a $1/round on gunbroker. And I'm trying to avoid using range brass just yet

>>34359676
For one bill yeahs it's still worth it as long as it's not bubba'd

>>34359089
They're 500 minimum most places these days.

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My T99 Navy

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>>34339333
how much would /k/ be willing to pay for pic related?

>>34359957
500 would be fair

>>34359714
liberty tree has it but its close to a dollar just for the brass

>>34359983
that's actually the listed price

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I checked off my Italian box at the fun show today for $245, it's Finn-marked.

>>34359089

Yes. And they're probably going to go up a bit more.

>>34358238

If you're short on practical rifles the SKS is more practical, if not the Mosin is cheaper.

>>34359676

They're running $300 these days, so yes, it's VERY worth it, you could flip it in a couple days on Armslist for $200.

>>34359957

I agree with the other guy, $500 would be a decent price for that.

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Saw this at the fun show too. Pic of the description next.

>>34360113

Nevermind, the pic of the description was way blurrier than I thought.

Basically they're saying it's one of the M1A1 experiments that didn't work.

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>>34359867
WOW! A Naval Special Type 99! And an early one at that! I need one of those.
What did you pay for it? Is it all matching?

Also, have you shot it before? Do you have anymore pics of it?

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>>34360284
$75. It's been sporterized though...Everything on it is matching. Haven't shot it, not sure if I will either

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>>34360284

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>>34360284

>>34360443
>>34360454
>>34360508
>reading about the SNLF T99
Jesus, it's like a WW2 version of the Remington 710. What kind of Gomer Pyle picked this fucker to take home to be his deer rifle?

>>34360443
>>34360454
>>34360508
A damn shame. At least that one can easily be restored with a foreend and new handguard and an early Type 99 bayonet lug.That's still a killer price for one of those.

Your rifle isn't listed in the Type 99 Naval Special book. 1072, 1092, 1094 and 1095 are though.

>>34360007
That's pretty good because that's all I need. I'm using it to make 41 swiss for the vetterli I just converted

>>34360545
They probably saw "muh anchor"

>>34360571
The new edition of the book came out about a week after I got it. I bought the bayonet lug, I'm still looking for the wood.

>>34360695
Yeah, I have the second edition of the book. Any Type 99 wood will work, but cut the forend off and splice it onto the original under the rear band. There may be repro foreends already out there for this purpose.

>>34358238
Depends. Are you a leaf?

>>34360691
41 swiss must be non existant if you need to use 8 lebel