>tfw companies would rather churn out ar15 varients. Polymer

The AR-15 is the cancer killing the gun market desu

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>>34330674
>not building interesting repros of older AR15 variants

>>34330702
What is going on with that stock and buffer tube, senpai

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>>34330707
It's a Colt 607, that's how it's supposed to be.

Isn't it adorable? Babby's first AR Carbine.

>>34330674
> repros
> clones
How about new original stuff?

>>34330702
Too bad Total Silence is gone and 3.5" moderators are hard to find.

>>34330674
ever since john noveske died i've become a huge fanboy for vseven weapon systems. the build quality of their ar15 parts are autistic tier good.

fuck military clones
fuck spray painted ar15s faked to look ditressed
fuck reddit rifles (PSA / DPSM / COLT / M&P15 type stuff
fuck redditors/4chanfags who don't build the best rifle but instead build the rifle best to receive upvotes/recognition on the internet

>>34330723
I did not know this, thanks senpai!

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>>34330747
I know.
But there's plenty of other retro black rifles to keep us busy too, so it's OK.

>Colt DOE 9mm Carbine

>>34330763
you better have a $30,000 select fire lower or else it's still a shitty make believe clone

>there will never be new production SMLEs
>there will never be new production Nuggets
>there will never be new production AR-18s
>there will never be new production Lebels

>>34330674
No one actually wants repros. They will never be good enough for someone who really wants [old gun].

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>>34330768
select fire is only good for wasting ammo.

If you want to waste ammo and have a select fire lower, then go ahead and build an M231 Firing Port Weapon.

>>34330674
I want accurate repros and stuff but I also want something like a lever action rifle in 7.62x39 with a removable magazine.

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>>34330674
My parents saw that on live tv in PA

>>34330674
You sound poor.

>>34330674
>Companies want to make money, not lose it
I know, doesn't make sense to me either.

>>34330777
I don't see the difference, so long as the gun is an exact replica. But most reproductions have a bunch of changes to them that are there because the manufacturer either couldn't do the parts exactly like they were, or because some guy couldn't contain his autism and had to make "improvements".

Yeah fuck people for actually wanting to make money to be able to live

>>34331677
It will never be good or exact enough.

>>34330694
>The AR-15 is the cancer killing the gun market desu

wait i thought it was the glock doing that

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>>34330771
Molot made a run of nuggets in 2011 or something.

>>34332096
and yet still no 6.5 grendel SKS

A p90 in 9mm? A repro PPSH in 9mm? Nope, better get some endorsement and sell some more ARs.

Granted, the AR fanboys (nauseating though they be) actually buy ARs. So I can't blame the companies from milking the suckers dry. The real problem (for OP and those like us) is that people who want specialized things will suffer in silence until they break down and get a custom job done.

>>34332525
You guy want something until you see the price and then cry that it isn't as cheap as an AR.

>>34331594

Someone is looking through that guy's corneas as we shitpost.

I saw the freeze-frame-right-before version with the audio of the suicide (I was in high school then). I wasn't aware of any outlet broadcasting it live.

>>34331594
No they didn't. It was never broadcast live.

>>34330674
Because if companies did start making old wood and steel guns people would bitch and moan about the price being so high.

Look at new Garands from Fulton etc.

>>34333230
This
Surplus is only so cheap because there's a fuckton of it, if, say, the K31 was made today this would easily push past $2000. Hell, a modern production SKS would probably go for well over $1000.

>>34332739
missed the "suffer in silence until they break down and get a custom job done"

It's ok anon. It's not your fault about your parents.

>>34330674
>I hate normies
You need to stop hating norms and pick up a basic Fucking economics book, look at supply/demand graphs to understand how markets work. AR15s, Glocks, etc...are in demand by everyone and anyone to include the lowest common denominator. Remington hashing out new Model 81s would be a small nice market, mostly autistic young men like our beloved board here.

>>34330674
Than start designing your own guns.

If you shitpost on /k/ all day you probably know the fundamentals on how a gun works, how all the parts work together, locking mechanisms and different kinds of gas systems.
You should in theory know how to design a firearm, don't let your dreams be dreams.

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>>34333553
Exactly.

>Where's muh 2017 model T?

I drive old shit (not this old lol) ,but only because new shit is laughably overpriced and complicated. The gun scene doesn't suffer from this paradigm, it's the opposite. Ar15 and Glock are less complex and, when adjusted for inflation, are often on par or less expensive than their historical counterparts. It's sad to see the artisan craft of gunsmithing being made obsolete, but there will always be dedicated groups out there to keep the fire burning.

Besides, if it were the other way around you contrarian fags would still be bitching.

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>>34330674
What i would do for an affordable replica luger

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>>34332445
Reminder the Clinton import ban killed the 5.56 SKS.

>>34330674

Most old guns are objectively inferior to new ones, so if they tried to do a repro they would sell a few thousand and then dry up, and that's assuming that the people that wanted the repros would pay the cost required to make them.

Example: FG-42s are in production now, they cost 5 grand each.

>>34330674
>I fuckimg hate normies

you are me anon. Marketing. Fucking evil shit to make people want junk with the cheapest production and stick a big margin on it. All ARFags are cancer

>>34334886
>>34334886
>Most old guns are objectively inferior to new ones,

Wrong.Very very very wrong.

The bullet does not know what shot it or what powder. It only knows its weight shape, spin and velocity.

>muh cool old impractical guns you normies just don't get it

You probably watch Ian everday and think yourself a cool intelligent intellectual above those sad normies don't you faggot?

Go back to trawling whatever subreddit you came from psuedo intellectual faggot. Saged.

>>34330674
Y'all motherfuckers realize that repros are a very risky niche market, right? Outside of cap and ball guns, it will always be expensive, and will stay expensive because demand is low.

Mauser once thought they were gonna make bank on repro Lugers and tooled up to make millions; only to sell a couple ten thousand of them.

>>34333256
I think a modern production SKS could be like $800 if it was being made on old Soviet tooling.

>>34330771
>SMLE
Too dated, better bolt action rifles can be made, take a modern Ruger M77 action, give it a 10rd mag and a stripper clip guide, then a full length handguard and bayonet lug.

>Nugget
WAY too dated, also it's a mediocre as fuck design, making new ones wouldn't be as cheap as surplus, you'd look at like $600 or so for a rifle that's acually not very good compared to bolt actions made today.

>Lebel
Is it the fucking hipster hour? Nobody is making new Lebel rifles because it's somehow jankier than the Nugget. At least say Mas36, that rifle was actually pretty good.

>>34331677
>or because some guy couldn't contain his autism and had to make "improvements".
Sometimes it's necessary for durability, safety, ease/cost of production, or all these reasons.

Look at HMG doing their Sturmgewehr, reverse engineering it they find that a lot of the stamping was just *horribly* thought out, and would result in a $3000 gun that potentially beats itself to death in maybe 10k rounds.
And that's a risk with this shit, you might find out that the gun you're remaking stopped being made for some very good reasons, or you find out it won't be even close to your initially intended price unless alterations are made to the design.

Even the excellent FG42 repros by SMG guns have different receivers, because the original rifles were made within incredibly slim safety margins in the quest to cut weight.
Making them use magazines which are actually available is another sensible choice.

>>34335125
The irony is that Ian has detailed why repro guns are quite often a bad idea and business decision.

Outside of mainly Single Action Army clones, it's pretty hard to get a business going on repros of old pieces of shit.

>>34330723
More like second, the first one was basically like a dissipator (Except it wasn't) with a 15" barrel, slightly shortened handguard and a full stock. It was a jamomatic due to issues with gas regulation

>>34335125
>says go back to his subreddit
>uses Sage as a downvote

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>There will never be brand new railless Jerichos
>There will never be full-sized .45 ACP Jerichos
>.41 AE will be forever doomed to obscurity
Just fuck my gun up senpai

test

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>>34335771
>No more .41 African Eliminator

>>34335684
>SMLE No.1 Mk. III
>Too dated
Do you realized they have a detachable 10 round magazine along with a said stripper clip guide.? They were basically a feature from the No.1 Mk.IIIs and beyond. Take a good look at the Ishapores that the Indians made on the licensed tooling, it's basically a 7.62 NATO SMLE No.1 Mk.III. I can actually see reproducing No.1 Mk. IV with a synthetic stock, scope mount, and free floating barrel (ala No.1 Mk. VI).

>>34335106
You're right, that's why they're still being produced and used in large numbers.

>>34330674
You can thank NATO and Warsaw pact for trapping us in the hell of only a select few rifles and handguns in a select few calibres

>>34335796
>>34335771
.41AE is a retarded .40S&W, itself a retarded 10mm Auto

>>34335771
>.41 AE will be forever doomed to obscurity
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>34335837
You can get a better lockup than the Enfield, more consistent and secure. Cock on close is an outdated meme.
Basically you want something like a Scout Rifle but with a bayonet lug.

>detachable mags
Which generally were not used in the common modern sense and them being easily detachable were more of a maintenance feature, some models had the magazine secured to the rifle with a brass chain.
You were meant to load the SMLE magazine with individual cartridges or 1 to 2 stripper clips from the breech, British soldiers were generally not issued extra magazines for fast reloads.

>>34332096
I might have actually been tempted to buy a new production nugget.

>>34335771
>There will never be full-sized .45 ACP Jerichos
Just get a .45 EAA Witness, it's practically the same thing.

>>34336406
They were refurbs IIRC

The bolt action battle rifle is a lost art due to the change of time much like the piston engine fighter plane.

With that said, imagine what high quality wood stock bolt action battle rifle we could build today with the knowledge we have.

>>34336542
The Tikka Canadian Ranger rifle except with a bayonet lug and grenade spigot?

>>34332096
What did they run for?

>>34336664
I think either $1000 or $2000, something expensive like that.

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You cannot convince me that a company couldn't make money reproducing these

>>34330674
How much money would it take to make a workshop that could produce a reproduction WWI/WWII bolt action rifle? I always thought that would be cool to do in retirement. Just craft small numbers of G98s or something.

>>34336815
Mauser literally tried exactly that in the 1970's and found it to not be financially viable.

It's a very expensive gun to make and actual collectors will just go buy an original one.

>>34336625
No. Piss off amateur.

>>34330674
so go create demand for such fantasies and the supply will follow...or...just cry on pigmy cross stitching board.

>>34336921
>implying that shit wouldn't be better than every bolt action rifle of WW1/WW2

>>34336815
Yes everyone today is clammering for a full size single stack 9mm that costs $3000.
>>34336894
If time isn't a factor you could do it for around $25,000. But if you want any sort of ability to produce more than 1 of something it increases exponentially.

>>34331677
The real issue is that the Repro doesnt have the true historical value that the made in 1942 gun does.

>>34336894
an insanely large sum of money. they would never make a profit

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>>34336441
>practically the same
Not good enough
>>34336327
It's better than .40 Slow & Weak

>>34337323
But it's not better than 10x25mm Auto.
.40S&W and .41AE are just disappointing.

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>We want an STG-44 repro!
>We don't want to pay $4000 for an ACTUAL STG-44 repro!
>HMG makes repro that meets these criteria
>WAAHHHHH IT HAS 3 LINES ON THE SIDE INSTEAD OF 5 IT'S RUINED
>IT DOESN'T FALL APART AFTER 5000 ROUNDS

This is why nobody makes anything cool or interesting

Because autists will shit all over it if you can't take the fucking thing to war and go toe to toe with the most mature weapons system on the planet

>>34337696
Why's it so hard for them to just make it visually accurate?
Plus it's still expensive as fuck. My $400 .22 GSG looks closer to the real thing than the HMG

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>>34337870
>Why's it so hard for them to just make it visually accurate?
Because it's stamped, and making the stampings true to the originals would actually make the things not only structurally poor, but the difficulty in making a lot of those stampings look authentic without ruining the part means you'll get a bunch of reject parts you can't use, meaning wasted money, meaning higher production costs, meaning a higher MSRP.
Also, the pistol grip and fire control group, as a unit, is like 100 parts, I mean look at this shit; effective German engineering my ass.

A lot of the original Sturmgewehr design was really not that well thought out, didn't help that they were running out of good material by that point and the steel used to make Stg44s was actually pretty shitty, anon is not exaggerating when he's saying they would have an expected lifespan of like 5000 rounds.

>My $400 .22 GSG looks closer to the real thing than the HMG
Because the GSG is literally a little .22LR rifle in a diecast body shaped like a Sturmgewehr, it's incredibly close to a Ruger 10/22 in a bodykit as far as mechanics are concerned.

You don't have to worry about stamping or any of that shit, you basically build a straight-blowback .22LR action, fit that in a large body stylized to look like a Sturmgewehr, and that's it.
The GSG has basically nothing in common with the real thing aside from pure looks; mechanics, material and manufacture are radically different.

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>>34330674

>tfw we will never get new Pedersen devices
>tfw will never get repro rsc 1917s
>tfw will never get repro Pedersen rifles

>>34337989
Jesus Christ were German engineers autistic

>>34333553
I legit have a few ideas but they're basically chicken shit scratches on paper because I can't draw, I don't know how to 3d model, and I don't know where to start actually building one.
Basically I'm a retard with a good idea in my head.

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>>34330674

>>34330674
SHOCKING! It's almost as if businesses are out to make money!

>>34337870
>Why's it so hard for them to just make it visually accurate
Because they're a small machine shop not a 1940s factory.

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>>34330702
>MUHH RAILLZZZ

Normies don't understand simplicity, sleek lines or classics.
They just want useless features and marketing gimmicks.

>>34339575
>sleek lines
>it's a fucking box
>less horse than a modern sonata
That antiaircraft sight on the hood is nice, that's about all the positives I can say about it.

>>34330747
Despite the "buy moar silencers noah" shilling going on, the HPA looks to be passed soon. Expect to have a legit version of the moderator with the light suppression pretty soon.

It honestly made me start to hate the AR. Oh, don't get me wrong I still use them but man do I wish the fucking thing hadn't been designed.

Unless youre looking for shit that had maybe like 4 prototypes ever made, you can find just about everything. what matters is the time itll take to find it and the price.

Didnt stop me. But my taste in old guns are pretty standard

>>34330702
>>34330723
>>34330763
>>34330795
Just how deep does this rabbit hole go?

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>>34339590
>shitting on the the greatest and most reliable million mile Mercedes Benz ever made

>>34332045
Both honestly.

>>34339590

>Knows nothing about cars: The Post.

>>34336728
The nugget meme was so strong that these jokers honestly thought some basement-dwelling vaknik was going to drop over $1000 on a reproduction?

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>>34339590
Obligatory "You need to be 18 to post here" post

>>34339703
>drive train lasts a millions miles
>most advanced component in the car is the tape deck
>window motors seize every two months
>there's a short in the wiring harness somewhere and the frame of the car is hot, leading to a good zap every time you get out of the car
>handles like a fucking boat.
>old style power steering means no adjustment in boost to the wheel, cornering fucking sucks
>Durr one finger driving at low speeds
>gearing ratio means doing 75 on the highway gets you worse gas mileage than dealing with stop lights
>Unironically falling for the "old cars are better" meme
I bet you think an EMP would kill the computer strapped to my engine too.

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This is now a w124 thread.

>>34339322
Still are.

>>34339608
>the HPA looks to be passed soon.
That's unfortunate because it needs a rewrite.

>>34334886
This really bums me out when I think about it. If they were in the $1500 range I'd probably buy one, but I can't see myself shelling out $5000+ for one, at least not in the near future.

>>34339737
No, more that they were expensive deluxe builds in .308 for people who wanted that.

That aside, you'd probably not be able to make a Nugget for cheaper than like $350 at best, and that's assuming you already have the old combloc tooling, if that even still exists.
Pretty fucking hard to compete with original 91/30s, M44s and then modern commercial guns like the Savage Axis and Ruger American

>>34341228
>If they were in the $1500 range I'd probably buy one
There's really no way it was going to be that cheap.

>>34341280
I know, a man can dream though.

>>34339450
Why did he kill himself?

>>34339608
Can't wait, Moderators are a good idea for short barreled rifles and the NFA has been holding them back for long enough.

Big fireballs is fun and all, but imagine an AR or AK pistol with a brace and a moderator, here you can actually have a pretty alright carbine.

>>34341357
Why don't you fucking read his Wikipedia page? Everything is there, google Budd Dwyer.

>>34332525
>A p90 in 9mm?
The taper of the 9mm Luger cartridge prevents it from actually fitting and feeding in a P90 style magazine, you'd have to change either the cartridge or the magazine.

>A repro PPSH in 9mm?
Literally look at a fucking Finnish Kp31, the gun the Russians copied for the PPSh41 design.

Yeah it's heavy, but don't be a bitch and deal with it, at least it will go through an entire drum without hiccups, as opposed to the Sphagin, which chokes frequently on it's drum, and just barely less on it's stickmags.

>>34335106
Yes they are, why do you think the Remington Model 8 or Smith & Wesson 38/44 revolvers stopped being made? Vastly better options are available.

The AR15 and Glock 17 are so successful because they are extremely good.
Does this make the market kinda homogenous? Yeah, and that is sad from a standpoint of variety, but remember also that guns are tools, and people are largely more interested in very good tools, than not as good but more interesting tools.

>>34341532
valid point about the kp 31

The other one I don't buy. The bottleneck of the 5.7 is far worse than the slight taper of the 9mm.

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>>34341673
No, you don't get it, aside from the bottleneck, the wall of the 5.7mm is 100% straight, you lay them next to each other and there is NO curve in that stack.

You lay 9mm cartridges next to each other and you'll see that the stack curves. If you just scaled a P90 mag for 9mm, you'd find that you couldn't really fully load it or get it to feed just right.

>>34337166
>tits so big the gif doesn't need to be more than a thumbnail
muh dick

>>34341722
I understand your argument. I'm questioning if it is sound. Particularly since Uzi mags are straight and feed at full auto.

The only application of your argument would be in the turning step. I don't buy that it's not solvable.

>>34342178
>Particularly since Uzi mags are straight and feed at full auto
There's room for play in the Uzi mag with the follower, also they only gotta line up as they do then get pushed out of the mag.

I'm not saying there isn't a solution, hell, the old Hillberg gun which the P90 is partially derived from fed 9mm through a horizontal mag mounted like that, but the turn mechanism wasn't part of the magazine, rather the gun.

It's just that it's not as easy as just doing a conversion, you would need to change a bunch of things to make a 9mm P90

>>34330795
>1200 RPM
For those who like to spend way too much money on ammo

>>34339755
>>Unironically falling for the "old cars are better" meme
some are better in some circumstances, though. don't be a faggot.
>I WANT a brand new freightliner on a farm because I like going into limp mode every time I have to rev the engine up to get over a ditch

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>>34333553
Be like the guy from our board designing this beauty

>>34337989
The euros have accurate STG replicas and they function completely fine.

>>34342337
They are also a LOT more expensive.

>>34341125
How so?

>>34342401
It turns suppressors into Title I firearms instead of completely deregulating them.

>>34342413
Ah. Yeah that does suck but it may be the only way to get it through.

>>34342413
that's still superior to having them be title II

>>34342413
You're a bit of a faggot

>hey guys the Hughes Amendment got repealed
>"What! That suck! They're still title II items!"
I'll take it for the time being? Better than nothing

>>34342413
Oh fuck off. Faggots like you who aren't happy unless they let you actually write the legislation are what keep us from having nice things.

I will believe in the HPA when it passes and not before.

I really can't see it getting passed. I'd love to have supressors but I ain't holding my breath.

>>34342413
That's obviously not as good as them being completely deregulated, but that still means you can buy and sell them privately without paperwork, and at a store, you'd just fill out a background check like you would with a gun, hell, buy a gun with a suppressor or moderator and you're filling out just one background check.
Also you could legally make your own without any paperwork, it'd be completely legal for you to drill a coke bottle and stuff it with steel wool.
Also of course this means they'll have to be serialized, but this isn't necessarily a bad thing, it can allow a manufacturer to do recalls and stuff if they for instance made a bad batch.

The main reasoning for them being Title 1 items I think is that they want to be able to still crack down on people selling home made silencers without being an SOT, as well as making the bill look a bit more appealing to the opposition.

It's a good first step, we can reach further at a later point. I mean, conceal carry wasn't particularly widespread a few decades ago, and now we're looking at a bill for making it legal nationwide.

>>34342322
>bipod
>with that longass mag hanging down
I think the original horizontal magwell is fine on the Sten.

>interesting repros of older firearms
THEY. DON'T. SELL.

>>34342471
Not him but that's not the same thing at all.

>>34342592
How is it not?

They already make a BAR replica. That's all I care about.

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>>34342536
The bipod was an addition from his dad who wanted it. Same with the RDS. And, IIRC, he is going to run some with the horizontal mag. Personally, I'd prefer the vertical mag.

>>34336815
There's essentially two types of people who want to buy this thing
>rich dentists who are clueless and are willing to buy one with non matching serial numbers for 5k
>poorfags who are just getting into guns who want one but can barely afford a Glock

The people who really want one can probably shell out a couple grand for one. A new production one of these isnt going to be cheap. Easily 1k, and for that price you can get a pretty nice modern handgun for that price