AIM-9 is shit

nothing new. we already learned the sidwinder was shit during the falklands war. need to fire two per. super cheap compared to amraam so, only a waste of hardpoints

>>34329500
>So a modern AIM-9 was defeated by some flares from a decades old shitty soviet plane
Gotta use up that stock of old missiles before the X starts full on production

Gonna take a wild guess that it was an AIM-9L, which is a decades old missile for that decades old soviet plane.

>heat-seaking missile is defeated by flares
>the countermeasure specifically invented to defeat head-seaking missiles
the AIM-9 is only still in use because it's more agile and less expensive than the SPAMRAAM

>>34329530
Isn't the 9X Block II already in service with more than 5000 missiles already delivered?

>>34329562
huh well TIL

>>34329562
No.

>>34329525
>>34329556
>>34329559

NATOcucks on damage control everyone.

>>34329575
>damage control everyone
At least we HAVE damage control
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/russian-navy-intelligence-ship-sinks-after-collision-with-freighter-off-turkish-coast/2017/04/27/5854b062-2b45-11e7-be51-b3fc6ff7faee_story.html?utm_term=.119525dc3cac

>>34329575
R-73 would have preformed in exactly the same way

just like how tomahawk cruise missiles have a 70% failure rate based off the failed airbase strike

over 70% were shot down with syrias ancient SAM's.

>>34329582
None of that is true.
99% of the tomahawks hit their targets, Vatnick.

>>34329582
The Syrian government, the Russian government, RT and Sputnik all admitted that the base suffered as many strikes as the US claimed except the one that went into the sea after launch.

>>34329530
>>34329556
>>34329562
"5000" AIM-9X have been delivered to all services, the USN uses AIM-9M and AIM-9X

>>34329578
no one died on that incident unlike your sorry ass boat you call a destroyer that got hit buy a relatively medium sized freighter

>>34329589
no one actually claimed that the airport suffered 59 hits

every single one of them said that us fired 59 missiles there is a big difference

>>34329867
>no one died on that incident unlike your sorry ass boat you call a destroyer that got hit buy a relatively medium sized freighter
I didn't realize literal container ships are now considered medium sized.
>destroyer
At least we HAVE destroyers and carriers and a working Naval Air Arm, sorry bro.

>>34329887
the tonnage of the ship suggest that it is a medium sized container ship

and russia has a battlecruiser so? thats not my point

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>>34329500
>Shoot an Aim-9 at a Syrian Su-22
>Miss
>Shoot an Aim-9 at a Russian Su-24
>Shoot it down first try

I think the real message of this story is that the Russians are so rampantly incompetent that the fucking SYRIANS are better fliers than them

>>34329582
Kek, keep at it Boris

>>34329907
>and russia has a battlecruiser so? thats not my point
I wouldn't consider a rusting ship that's tied up in port really "having" one

>>34329911
>syaff conducts shorties without escort had to use 2 aim9 to shot down a plane with a microwave for a radar..
>tuaf shots down a su 24 after the su 35 leaves the area of interest

RUSSIANS ARE BAD PILOTS

>>34329525
>we already learned the sidwinder was shit during the falklands war.

lol, all aspect sidewinders are pretty much the main reason the Harriers annihilated the Argentine air force.

>>34329920
well unless you have a better idea to upgrade a ship while its on sea be my guest and share it with us
otherwise i dont know fitting it with scrams and s500s requires a ship to get into a dry dock for a refit

>>34329924
>Syrians have enough situation awareness to know that they are being fired upon and deployed flares
>Russians did not
Maybe that Russian pilot was drunk like
>>34320104

>>34329938
oh wow showing your aircraft is armed is considered DRUNK

no wonder why /k/ is the way it is

>>34329957
>t. would fun of that the second it wasnt russian

>>34329867
>medium sized freighter
>even a small freighter would be FUCKING HUGE

>>34329970
there are container ships with less tonnage that the destroyer you moron

stop acting like you know what you are talking about and just contribute to the bait already

>>34329911
SU-24 was without countermeasures

>>34329978
So the Russian air force is in worse shape than the Syrian one when it comes to countermeasures

>>34329999
nah no one thought that someone would send fighter to kill bomber.

>>34329575
>plane equipped with countermeasures takes 2 missiles to kill
>this is somehow implied to be worse than losing the plane itself.
Vatnik damage control.

>>34329999
no you moron russians are conducting shorties with su30-35s as an escort you really think turkey would have fired upon if it had a big motherfucker like the 35 near the su 24?
the problem was given that it was the b the rwr had a shorter range and by the time they became aware of the situation it was too late

>>34329588
>99%
58/60. So close enough.

>>34330020
>russians are conducting shorties with su30-35s
> if it had a big motherfucker like the 35 near the su 24?
So are the Russian conducting "shorties" with Su-35 as esocrt, or did those damn meddling turks only get away with it because there was no Su-35 present?

>>34330033
>So are the Russian conducting "shorties" with Su-35 as esocrt, or did those damn meddling turks only get away with it because there was no Su-35 present?

ofc there was on su 35 at the time the su24 were returning (as far as both us and russia said) and the su35 went to help another su 24 nearby(from the flightpath both provided)add to that the short rwr the fact that even one survived its a miracle

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>>34330047
So the Russians are flying without countermeasures because they have escorts except the escorts don't actually stick around long enough to be useful because they're not numerous or competent enough to manage protecting more than one plane at once?
Cool.

>>34330062
It probaly makes sense if you are russian...or retarded.

>>34330062
who said they didnt had countermeasures? the su24 simply didnt had a modern radar to counteract the aim 120 thats why if you see the path of the su24 they were casually patrolling near the border till some seconds before they realised the missile probably and started to do sharp turns

>>34330077
>who said they didnt had countermeasures?
>>34329978
Also it was an Aim-9 that killed the Su-24, also no, they probably never saw the missile coming.

>be American
>tell the world and myself that im a peace lover
>im a patriot
>a true American
>but im also glad my government shoots down Syrian jets in Syrian airapace that are conducting operations against ISIS

Daily reminder that "US backed moderate rebel groups" are in fact Islamic terrorists armed and trained by America to destabilize countries in the middle east. Daily reminder that once America has what it wants, it will leave the ME and leave these groups free to seize power. Daily reminder that those who die to Islamic terrorists in the west, die because their own government took active measures in creating their killers. Daily reminder that America purposefully created an image of itself as an honorable and righteous nation, so that it could continue destroying the world for its leaders benefit without question

>>34330104
the distance between the f16 and the su24 at the lowest was 50 km....(the moment the su24 crossed the airspace).
unless turks managed to slap some rocket booster on the aim 9 then no
it was an aim 120 mainy because this is their standard payload for dogfights (the greeks use the iris-t and the turks have the aim 120)

>>34329925
VS non all aspect

all heaters are all aspect now so

>>34329500
>Infrared Countermeasures defeats Infrared Guided Missile.

Wow.

>>34330077
>Thinking a Ground Attack (bombardment) vehicle has a suite for dogfighting or EW.

Wow.

>>34330112
>Daily reminder i post propaganda shit
kys

>>34329500
nato's "air superiority" is so overhyped it's almost hilarious
can barely shoot down bombers with no escorts, what a fucking embarassment
anyways did you guys hear about that crazy slavshit intercept over the baltic? supposedly the russian was a couple feet away from the natocuck and the natocuck thought it was dangerous

Vatnik containment thread?

>>34330198
It is nice how you can distinguish the russian posters so easily; post format, runglish and general lack of any form of logic.

>>34329575
>haha it took 3 missles to kill me n00b

>>34330115
Huh. I might actually be wrong here, I thought it was undisputed that an AIM-9 was used in the intercept, that is the claim the Russian MoD eventually settled on but I can't actually see the Turks claiming the same thing, or indeed making any claim about what missile was used.

>Tfw I fell for Russian propaganda

>>34329978
Russians so bad at piloting they don't know how to dump chaff

>>34330223
it's cute but pathetic, how some cockhol(e)ster immigrant tries to roleplay as a native-speaker by tryharding around punctuation, whilst still being essentially just another cuckpedalling bitchboy
where did the ussr touch your poor expat parents?

>>34330262
What the fuck are you even typing?

>>34330269
so are you gonna cuckpedal out of this thread now, or what?

>>34330262
You really think you are helping russia by constantly insulting everyone on the internet? Russians and russboos have become synonyms for shitposters through this and there is no one else to blame for that but them.

>>34329867

at least the destroyer didn't sink, ivan.

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>>34330262

look at this capering snownigger

>>34330296
> helping russia
well congrats on getting yourself busted, I guess.
no, shitposting on a gunsboard or any board is not meant for (((helping))) anyone
you can continue "helping" countries by talking about how evil russia is though, but the only people you'd be talking to are special needs nerdvirgins such as yourself

>>34329873
They figured that out by counting craters!

>>34329582
> shot down
russians just jammed the shit out of them probably, they've got EW in Syria

>>34330313
So you are too stupid to get that your actions (and that large amount of people acting like you) can and has negative consequences which are against your direct interests.

>>34330320
you've been roleplaying as a nerdvirgin propagandist for way too long, look at this shit you're writing
me hyping for russia on the internet and talking shit to people who disagree is "against my direct interests"?
lmfao @ ur lyfe buddy

>>34330317
You fell for russian propaganda, even russian military admited that the us cruise missles hit their targets with great success rate. If i remember correctly just 1-2 didnt perfectly hit their target.

>>34330149
>thinking a bomber doesnt need a ew suite on an era that even a spastic monkey on middle east has a stinger

>>34330323
You under the false impression, that you actions dont pander for or against someone. You may be pretending to just troll, but in the end you are just doing the work for someone else.

>>34330324
I saw a video of that airfield the next day after the strike, and it remained largely operational. Where's the propaganda in a video that shows bombers taking off from the same airfield that was JUST hit by the number 1 military power in the world with a mass cruise missile strike.

>>34330333
been bussing on you good and proper you even forgot to check your impeccable grammar and punctuation, which you used to spice up with semi-colons and whatnot, my friendly nerdvirgin authority on "runglish" or "russian posters"
tsk tsk

>>34330313

You've almost got your edgyposting down pat with the multiple (((parenthesis))) and an insult referring to autism and virginity.

Unfortunately your posts are stuck in the uncanny valley of "being a fucking shill."

>>34330346
>t. ribbit
I bet you just wish you were on teddit right now, so you could make 50 accounts on 1email and downsyndromeboat everyone who shits on your face
sadly this is 4chins and your c-c-c-cuckpedalling is gonna stay there for all to see

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>>34330304
yeah imagine a situation

>su24 on syria gets shot down because it didnt had enough countermeasures to avoid 2 missiles
>destroyer with a top notch radar plus a 3d radar and a primary radar managed to hit a fucking container ship ON THE OPEN SEA at the starboard

really makes you think how competent us navy is when they cant see a huge ass ping on their radar and more importantly they cant avoid a collision while they have almost double the speed and 4 times less tonnage

>>34330355
it probably wasn't a "can't see them" issue, it was more of a "we're ameriniggers, we have the right of passage" situation, and some based flips didn't want to have any of that
I hope Duterte gives them medals

>>34330357
so they went and actually created a real life scenario of the us navy vs the lighthouse?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHH

>>34330341
You can pretend to be retarded or being just trolling all you want, we all know what you are.

>>34330335
And i saw a video of you sucking russian cock. Seriously, cant you fuckers stop with the constant lying and revionism of events?

From a former thread a little collection of the bullshit we had to deal with the likes of you:
>only a small part of Tomahawk hit because they are so shit
>only a small part of Tomahawk hit because they got shot down by the russian air defense
>the attack did little damage to the airbase and it is operating again
>at the same time it was a blow that crippled the SAA, ISIS is taking direct advantage of it and christian minorities in syria are in direct danger of that
>the Tomahawk werent able to destroy the landing strip or it was repaired quickly
>the Tomahawk only did little damage because of russian EW fucking with the Tomahawks
>...

>>34330324
you keep saying russians admitted 59 hits but you still havent provided a single evidence

usa actually provided a rough map on where they shot the tomahawks we know that those that went from the south didnt got affected but those on the center and the north west did the fact that they found a lot of debris no were near the airfield prove as much few of them managed to hit the target because they were on the final legs using ins but those that got affected by the bubble and had to use INS so early in flight just hit the sun or some poor sheep on the ground

>>34330371
what lying? how is a video of the aftermath "lying"? did the Syrians build a new airfield there overnight? friendly reminder that this guy is accusing people of being shills lmao, look at the shit he's writing

>>34330371
> being just trolling
> t. person very informed on "russian posters" because they use a very specific type of "english"
you're going up in flames

>>34330355
>russian navy intelligence ship sinks after collision with freighter

>US destroyer doesn't

good job almost deflecting to some shit I wasn't talking about

>>34330112
>kurds
>islamic
W-what?

>>34330380
>y-ou are butthurt
Last stage of a russian losing an arguement.

>>34330372
You just going to keep talking shit? Probaly cant even stop now if you wanted.

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>>34330380

oh the irony

>>34330372
>t. hasnt provided even a single proof for what he said
It is like pottery.

>>34330387
What "arguement" have you been winning over here, if I may ask?

>>34330387
let me try to dumb it down a bit
you claim EVERYONE even their mothers said that murica got a 100% on the 59 missiles
i keep asking for that PROOF from the RUSSIANS as YOU keep SAYING they HAVE

>>34329582
Buzzfeed/huffingtonpost/thesun/wallstreet journal's war against Youtubers level of logic there.

>>34330383
a 5000+ tonnage ship sank after that got hit by a 8000+ tonnage ship at full speed?

CALL ME SHOCKED

>>34330392
It is a general pattern you can see with vatniks, when they lose the arguement or get really angry about the truth, they just declare the other side butthurt, which means in their heads, they won.

>>34330062
When did the USCG find a Hind?

>>34330372
http://www.imagesatintl.com/us-strike-syria/
> 59 missiles fired at the base, 58 of them hit targets

>>34330404
you cant argue about the truth
when the truth presented isnt actually a truth

>>34330404
What argument? In case you need a reminder, this tripe is the the same shit you've started with in the first comment to me, some idiotic conjecture about "writing styles". Then you proceeded to get pissed on, ended up flustered, and have exposed YOURSELF as a non-native speaker. Now coupled with the fact, that you have this desperate urge to accuse people of being specifically Russian, what I can conclude (and this fits my original view as well) is that you're some pathetic nationality that at some point got fucked by the Russians.
Crimea a river

>>34330416
>I am just a "neutral" observer "randomly" passing by, now watch me how i ignore the vatnik and instead attack the one addressing his general bad behaviour

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>>34330416
Oh look! Someone just rolled in, spurting out standard russian garbage, how dare anyone act like he actually is a russian, this is of course 9000 times worse.

>>34330427
Ah, so imagining you were having an internet battle with a paid propagandist shill wasn't enough, now there are OTHER shills who come defend the first shill, it's not just 1 person writing however the fuck he wants and showing up a fucking imbecile
kys buddy, life obviously isn't gonna get any better for you, if them's the kind of stories that you spend time telling yourself
> russian shills are "fighting for interests" when they called some balticucks pathetic, which they totally aren't!
yeah

>>34330433
> someone just rolled in for this super important internet-battle on the topic of the butthurt-belt and how they're totally not pathetic
kek

>>34330412
this is your source?
come on you can try just a tad bit better i think than to provide isi bias content especially when we know that only 3 has got hit (source? the insane videos we have from the base already)

>this whole thread

i came in to talk about missiles but... uh, i think i'll make my way for the door...

>>34330444
see >>34330390

>>34330435
You are either new or total ignorant. This pattern of one vatnik sperging out and then the guy pointing it out getting attacked for it by some totaly 100% neutral person, is something we can see since ukraine crisis on /k/. Strangely this never happens with any other nation even remotely to that degree.

t. other anonymous

>>34330465
whoever doesnt agree with my truth is a priori a vatnik/russian/shill/drunk pilot

i think that asian cruise missile we have for admin need to rename /k/ to /kek/

>>34330448
>>34329500

This whole thread is nothing but fake russian trolling fake americans counter trolling who are actually all chinese.

But even without yhat, you Airplane fags are the worst armchair comic bok nerd fanboys above tank fags.

Seriously, any thread about warplanes, air forces and the like are like a bunch of star wars, stark trek and warhammer 40k fans fighting each other over whose scufi is cooler.

>>34330435
So, there is this obvious vatnik, doing his typical shit thing and you think it is a good idea to go against everyone going against him? What the hell is wrong with you?

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>>34330326
Nigga you seriously think SU-24's have EW at all? These are late 60 planes with not even M2 upgraded avionics. The TV Guidance system already takes the entire cockpit.

>>34330475
> "that" guy who originally claimed to know something about "writing styles" is now trying SO hard to throw off people by false-flagging as just a tad bit too illiterate
it's time to stop, bud

>>34330482
Except, I am the person you've been accusing of being the obvious vatnik, you utter sadcase.

>>34330474
No. Why would that be the case? Only the ones obviously routing for russia, parroting old propganda, speaking broken english, etc fit into that category.

>>34330483
do you really believe russia has any su 24B on syria? are you mad? all of them are M2

>>34330482
> "everyone going against him
You overestimate the amount of people who want to give a shit about the Baltics getting fucked up the ass.
In fact, with the low populations of these butthurt-belt vassals, it's always been a surprise how so many posts are always "defending" them against evil Russia. But we all know you're just spamposting in 10 thread simultaneously and that's not counting your turbovirgin plebbit brigading.

>>34330495
The plane was Syrian

>>34330497
All that implying, so little to say. Also if you think that only baltics are seeing vatniks as total idiots, you might as well just leave the board again, newfag.

>>34330499
you followed a chain leading up to the incident of the su24 vs the f16

>>34330503
vassals don't get to have opinions about military power

>>34330509
and people with superiority complex should have?

oh wait i forgot this is /KEK/

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>>34330509
Did you say something true butthurtbelt?

>>34330515
are you now trying to talk about the board which you ruined with your butthurt-belt bullshit?
or do you miss the days when the brigades were bigger and you had at least 20 """people""" "agreeing" with you?
ey, don't fret! the butthurt-belt is a wonderful place where the people are useless political prostitutes who have never done anything for themselves ever since their "empires" got btfo way back when by the big boys, so what this means is that you bitchboys are destined to bend over whichever direction you're told every couple of decades, so there won't be a shortage of upcoming "revolutions" and I can promise you that Russia will always play a key role in them.

man i dont know what is worse anymore

/k/ /r/worldnews or nato

>>34330527
i know you guys are bored i mean you are fatter than moon and you cant even use the mouse scroll

but for the love of god before you reply to something with 4 lines worth of shit at least TRY to see if he is the one otherwise you will just get burned

>>34330372
>affected by the bubble
>bubble
>this is how vatniks think EW operate
How come vatniks like to talk all high and mighty like they are experts when they got a Command & Conquer level of understanding at best?
Jamming is not a fucking magic bubble of fairy dust, nor is it a Star Trek force field of technobabble.

>>34330543
bubble means the area of effect moron

but its ok i dont suppose that muricans know the difference krashuka 4 will have the same effect as if russians throw mcdonalds on them

>>34330553
Pidorashka shut up!

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>>34330561
FITE ME IRL

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>>34330553
Except the area of effect is anything but bubble shaped you cumstain.
Having omnidirectional antennas for jamming is so retarded that only russians could possibly think it's a good idea. Maybe that is why russia has problems with jamming of the shelf walkies in Ukraine while OSCE drones fly all over and photographs their jamming stations?

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>>34330588
why do you even bother to reply when your knowledge is so pathetically low thats its not even funny?

>>34330602
>1RL257
>why do you even bother to reply when your knowledge is so pathetically low thats its not even funny?

>could not stop talking about bubble and calls someone, who says EW is better directed, stupid
>then goes and posts EW that is directed

This has to be advanced stupid.

Now prepare him calling me stupid, for not understanding him correctly, while he can not explain what he means for shit.

>>34330617
i wasnt the idiot that started shitposting about omnidirectional antennas now was i..

>>34330385
The Kurds are an ethnicity, not a religion. Many of them are islamic, but doesn't really matter because the poster you were replying to was retarded anyway

>>34330624
No, you used bubbles instead, which might work in your native language, but doesnt in english without further additions. Google bubble images to see what i mean.

>>34330112
no one's gonna hear you scream.
don't bother, it's not that they can't, it's that muricans here don't - want - to see it.

>>34330642
it is the norm when you try to describe effective areas

>>34330677
>english is advanced by test
How would you know?

>>34330624
You are the vatnik who thought that the jammers had a bubble shaped area of effect unless there was change of shifts at the shillbot office.

>bubble means the area of effect moron

>>34330677
>it is the norm when you try to describe effective areas
Not when you describe areas that form a fan or cone.

>>34330405
They didn't it was from a russian movie.

>>34330198

being 5 feet from an unarmed jet with not-so-great visibility and poor maneuverability in an unbriefed formation is unprofessional, unnecessary, and unsafe.

and if Syria actually kicks off, we won't be seeing too many WVR shootdowns.

>>34330677
No, it really isn't.

The AIM-9X doesn't have active radar like most short range missiles (R-73, MICA) so OP is a confirmed shitposter.

>>34329525
AIM-9L Sidewinders wrecked shit in the Falklands war. Weren't you paying attention?
They shot down 2 Mirages, 1 dagger and a Canberra on the first day of proper air combat, all with AIM-9Ls

>>34330112
Please explain why the shot down Syrian Su-22 was providing close air support for ISIS, bombing SDF (Kurd) forces?
Please explain why this is not the first time SyAF is conducting CAS for ISIS, this happened before in a couple of incidents they bombed the Kurds fighting Assad, and the pro Turkish rebel in the Azaz vs ISIS fighting.

Most of the refugees coming to the west were created by Assad bombing to shit the Sunni cities, so the civilians had to leave.

>>34331178
>Most of the refugees coming to the west were created by Assad bombing to shit the Sunni cities, so the civilians had to leave.
The majority of refugees coming to the "west" are actually from South Sudan.

>>34331201
Far from it, mostly Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan and Niger.
Sudanese and Eritreans were the majority perhaps 5 years ago.

This information means literally nothing without knowing how the engagement occurred.

There's countless possible scenarios.
>Launch Aim-9 (I heard it was an Aim-9X) HOBS to force Su-22 into maneuvering
>Su-22 sees it and easily evades because lol HOBS
>Su-22 kills its energy, takes an AMRAAM up its ass from .6nm(!)

or it could just be
>launch AIM-9
>experienced a failure
>Launch backup AMRAAM
>kill Su-22

etc...

>>34329500
Is there any sort of procedure that has to be followed here to alert the Syrian pilot that they will be engaged as an enemy?

Yet another thread ruined by RIDF

When will these subhumans finally shove their imperial ambitions up their asses and quit?

>>34329500
I don't understand why we still use the AIM-9, a missile originally designed in 1956, when the russians have had 3 generations of IR AAM's - the K-13 (AA-2 Atoll - a reverse engineered Sidewinder), the R-60 (AA-8 Aphid - a indigenious, smaller, lighter and more agile missile than early sidewinder) and the R-73 (AA-11 Archer - one of the first widespread off-boresight AAM's).

The rest of the west as well has largely dropped the Sidewinder as well. There ain't no fucking excuse the AIM-9X is supposed to be above par to the early AA-11. And there is definitely no damned excuse to continue fielding AIM-9L's when there are a metric fuckton of 3rd world countries and lesser allies that will buy the shit up and when the 9L can be upgraded to near 9X standard

>>34331270
It was a head on pass, so I assume the AIM-9 didn't get a good picture on the Su22 engines as it was looking at them from the front, which could mean that it was easily binned by the Su22. The hornet could have then passed, did a 180 and then wiped out the Su22 with a AMRAAM.

>>34331337
Same reason the tomahawks got used on that chemical bombs delivering syrian airfield: There are enough lying around, they have been payed for a long time ago and it is literally cheaper to use them now, then to scrap them a little later, because they reach their top shelf time. It is not rocket sciene, pun intended.

>>34329581
If that was the case they would have stuck with the Atoll (literally a copy of the sidewinder) and kept upgrading it.
The AA-2C was the dead end for the USSR, China kept developing the Atoll/Sidewinder - esp as it got it's hands on later Sidewinders, developing the PL-3 and the PL-5, which have also been replaced by newer missiles

>>34329500
>implying that other IR guided missiles are invincible to flare.

High Off Boresight AIM-9X, the #1
pal

>>34331337
See >>34331270

The modern Sidewinder has pretty much nothing in common with the older missiles.

>>34331337
>There ain't no fucking excuse the AIM-9X is supposed to be above par to the early AA-11.

nah

>>34331337
There's nothing the R-73 does better than a modern AIM-9. AIM-9s have HOBS as well. You fell for a shitposting thread.

>>34331171
Mirages are shit, and Canberra's aren't exactly a hard target

>>34331406
Except you know size, weight, aerodynamics, body, control surfaces.
The Sidewinder is literally a story of slapping better and better guidance onto a pig.

The only thing we should be doing with old sidewinders, besides selling them, is making new and improved Sidearms while we search for a better short range AAM.
Even if it's guidance is now slightly inferior to the AIM-9, the R-73 is still a more maneuverable and faster missile, not to mention the fact that it was designed from the onset to be off boresight, the Sidewinder is a larger missile.

The AIM-92 is a better short range missile than Sidewinder FFS

>>34331530
>Size
has stayed the same

>weight
Has probably changed

>Body
completely different, just looks the same.

>Control surfaces.
Completely different, usually changes with each model. AIM-9X has the most notable differences, as it has thrust vectoring.


The AIM-9X, for all intents and purposes, is a completely new missile design. It's like the differences between the Hornet and the Super Hornet.

>>34331429
The Sidewinder wasn't designed for HOBS, and is significantly less maneuverable than missiles designed from the ground up for HOBS.

Again if the Sidewinder is so good why did the Chinese and Russians ditch their copies - esp. when they had access to later Sidewinders during Vietnam and later conflicts

>>34331578
>It's like the differences between the Hornet and the Super Hornet.
Yeah ones a slow pig, and the other is a fat and slow pig

>>34331604
Oh, you're retarded

Disregard all previous discussion.
neck yourself

>>34331578
>Thrust vectoring a flying telephone pole

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>>34331593

>>34331609
The superbug is a shit aircraft

>>34331635
>designed in 1956

>>34331636
Wow great argument fagtron you sure convinced me with those hot opinions.

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>>34331673
>Comparing a 1956 model to a 2000s model
So no fact, got it.

>>34331609
It's the "oh look I have to unequivocally defend anything american" faggot.

AIM-9X is USA playing catch up with the rest of the world

>>34331673
>buy a 2017 VW Beetle
>"WOW LOL YOURE USING A CAR DESIGNED IN THE 1950S AMERIFATS BTFO."

You're still retarded and should still kill yourself.

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>>34331702
>bring up how the Hornet and the Super Hornet look the same but are completely different aircraft in order to better convey the idea that the newer Sidewinders resemble the older ones but are entirely different missiles at this point
>Disregards the point of the comparison and shits on the hornet instead

Genius tbqh

>>34331636
Compared to other things out there maybe but remeber that the Super Bug is better than the PAK-FA in RCS, avionics, radar and armament.
The Super bug is better than anything in russian inventory.

>>34331702
>It's the "AIM-9X is USA playing catch up with the rest of the world" faggot.
ftfy

>>34331702
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4g4_jzqBJnA
Remember that russia has NOTHING even close to this capability.

>>34331593
>esp. when they had access to later Sidewinders during Vietnam and later conflicts
even later sidewinders were trash in Vietnam. Less than 18% Pk

>>34331790
>F-4
>Drone

>A fighter that wasn't even considered maneuverable in the 60s.
>Not even flown by a real pilot
>Somehow a relevant to modern air combat

A modern soviet aircraft could likely break to avoid the this missile. Modern aircraft have missile launch warnings so you'll know one is coming. Spotting an incoming missile and getting in the right position to break correctly is a bit of an art form though.

>>34331810
Vietnam was a harsh place for missiles, the best and latest russian missiles with a calculated 80% pK against a bomber sized target turned out to be less than 2% pK.

>>34331830
>ignores the crazy deflection pulled off by the missile, far better than what russia currently has
But yeah given the right circumstances any missile can be avoided. The AIM-9X makes it extremely hard, especially for russians who get just a fraction of the training hours in the air compared to US pilots.

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>>34329867
>perpetually compensating russians

>>34331743
Everything you talk about is classified anyway, unless of course you work for Sukhoi and Boeing

>>34329867
summer americans that are semi-socialist and bought a 600$ ak and think they're so russian are disgusting. stop compensating for a country that is the 13th largest economy in the world, behind fucking brazil and canada. its time has passed for it to be moderately spooky. now its just trying to stay relevant by doing dumb shit

>>34331861
Le reddit hoggit meme gets posted again

>>34331909
3/10

>>34331909
How would you know?

>>34331861
Literally all made up. That website is full of shit. Burgerfats will never learn.

>>34331947
Prove it faglord

>>34331947
>You see the first thing a vatnik likes to do, is to twist it into the opposite, russian attacked X? No! X attacked russians. Hard cold numbers showing russian stuff performs badly, just say it is a lie.

>>34330274
Not that I agree with the vatnik, but you are a 10th degree fagglord.

>>34331904
>russia is the 13th largest economy
>13th largest...
>13....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)

better stick on weapons cause your economics are sub zero

>>34331909
>>34331947
>n-no! Lies! Russia stronk! H-hohol liars bullying poor poor russia!
Be a good little vatnik and go fill a babby bottle with vodka so you can stop squealing like a piglet.

>>34332199
Underaged faggots please go. You kids are ruining my board

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>>34329999
>those digits
Kek the /k/ube has spoken!
Vatniks eternally BTFO!

>>34330062
A Hind D?!?

>>34332226
That trail when it tumbles is pretty neat.

>>34332199
Probaly ran out of vodka and started to drink paint thinner again.

>>34331973
no lets all believe a country that
1)created fake wmd's to get hold on iraq oil
2)started the whole mess we are seeing now on m.e
3)tried to stirr the caspian basin
4)basicly created the ukraine situation (hey nurland can you hear me i loved your leaked tapes)
5) promised help at georgia and when the shit got south just flipped them off
6)invaded yugoslavia and almost started ww3

sure america is so much better telling the truth than russia

>>34332226
>what was planed: BTFO Lada with shill
>what actually happened: Sheel gets BTFO by Lada

>>34332225
qq more, bydlo

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>>34332265
>maditory mentioning of WMD in iraq
>whatabout the US
>Russia didn du nuffin
>WW3
>everyone is doing it
russian/10

>>34330395
They'd probably do a better job fighting ISIS than Russia and Syria combined at this point :^)

>>34332305
#rekt

>>34332297
>muh freedom
>self entitled police of the world
>failed to contain china
>failed to contain caspian basin from russia and china
>failed to contain the middle east
>gets sided with sdf
>calls the bluff of the saa
>saa actually manages to hold both key point that leads to DEZ
>america is on suiside watch
>wat do wat do
>sends massive amount of artilery
>creates a line the north korea way
>america once more gets btfo
russian/10

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>>34329978
it has the meme jammer that Vatniks oh so loved to bring up until about the time one of the planes carrying it got blasted out of the sky by a fucking cockroach

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>>34330389
>999bytes

>>34332322
You are doing this wrong, on the other hand we are used to see this generally with our russian guests.

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>>34332226
>yfw Russian army replaces its entire fleet of T-72B3LGBTQ+ with ladas

>>34332374
imagine if i was actually a russian...

>>34332393
Which other nation would defend russian stuff on such a desperate, pathetic, illogical level, at the same time make such badly formated posts and do that with rather crude english? Belarus and Serbia come to mind, but they are not that bad at it.

>flares caused an AIM-9X to miss
If you believe this, I have bad news for you.

>>34332393
>The vatnik is immunized against all dangers: one may call him a retard, a shill, faggot, (you) or redditor, it all runs off him like water off a raincoat. But call him a vatnik and you will be astonished at how he recoils, how injured he is, how he suddenly shrinks back: “I’ve been found out.”

Yeah you are a russian

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>>34329582
>Y-yeah jus- just like ancient SU-24 c-can shut down American D-destroyer just by flying over it and making the whole crew quit
>F-fucking americans!

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>>34331400
>High Off Boresight AIM-9X, the #1

ASRAAM has been doing this since the 90's. But it flies faster and further.

>>34332425
hmm lets see how many countries around the globe dislike what the americans do?

pretty sure most of eu
pretty sure all of the M.E
99% of africa
south america and central america

even macron flipped murica with his statement yesterday http://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/1.797152?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

>>34329500
The fact that the first missile was launched as soon as the bombs were dropped indicates the firing aircraft may have been out of position to make a reliable short range shot.

The fact that the follow-up was with an AMRAAM confirms this.

>>34332509
>pretty sure most of eu
>pretty sure all of the M.E
>99% of africa
>south america and central america
>source: my ass

>>34332520
usa sanctioned iran
literally no one else did
thats about your current state of influence around the world

>>34332532
I guess that's why we see so many iranians on 4chan shitposting about US

>>34332532
I think that says more about Saudi and Israeli influence on the US.

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>>34329500
everyone who posts in these threads should be hung with barbed wire

>>34332551
who cares about the saudis in audis

once russia is done with syria i bet you my gf that iran turkey russia and qatar will flood yemen with weapons and missiles
they are already shit at doing war imagine when AQ gets decent weapons..

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>TFW Ammo troop
>Posting 100 feet away from a bay full of 9M and 9Xs that I maintain, test, and transport
>Watching people who have never even been in the same area as one spewing "facts" and Wikipedia bullshit

Newsflash: 9Ms are almost obsolete and we're slowly but surely phasing them out. 9Xs are picking up the slack and the 120s are the new wunderkind.

There is nothing troubling or unusual about the engagement.

>Okay let's let the old shitty missile off the chain and see if that smokes the sand nigger
>Okay this sand nigger is a little quicker than the others. Let's use the better missile instead.
>FOX FOX!
>That's more like it.

>>34332509
>gets btfo'd talking about US military capability so he has to revert to shitposting about America's political influence, which is currently unmatched
Jesus Christ dude just give it a rest.

What mighty country are you from anyway?

>>34332509
Countries that doesnt like the US and at the same time cant stop bragging about how awesome russian stuff is in alphabetical order:
1.Russia

>>34332570
you know its funny and shit when you spam the propaganda but
https://www.defense.gov/Portals/1/Documents/pubs/2016%20China%20Military%20Power%20Report.pdf
i suggest you start reading and that is china wich is a magnitude behind of russia currently
when your own goverment admits that in a weapons race they have no chance against china you know that your superiority complex will end the day you decide to attack them

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>>34332509
>look at me
>you are such a fool for thinking i am russian
>btw i am not saying where i am from...for reasons

>>34332568
Why is your emblem a buttplug?

>>34332602
well you are so awesome guessing countries i assume you already knew

>>34332601
>quick! here, another topic since i am losing on all others
>hope no one notices
We could easily ban all russians by now, replace them with bots scripted with such stuff among the other garbage and no one would even notice they had been replaced.

>>34332628
posts something relevant to the superiority complex of americans
american sees it realise its from his own goverment
deflects the point and starts shilling

you must be a texan

>>34332621
That probaly made sense in your head. Now tell us where you are from.

>>34332644
We know what you are doing, you might think you are special or pretty smug, but with guys like you, it is just endelessly repeating the same old shit.

>>34332663
well answer the damn question

how come your superior army
your undisputed power
your eternal glory
gets so shit when your own goverments admits that you are no longer a superpower ?

oh wait you cant answer any of that actually you are literally owned by china

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>another vatnik shitposting thread
Am I late to the party guys?

>>34332686
see >>34332647
Its always the same with people like you, also this is the reason why you are so shit and everyone thinks russians are fucked in the head. You may now porceed crying crocodile tears about the mistreatment, but in the end no one else is to blame. And no derailing, insulting or shitposting is going to fix that, it will stick with you and the likes of you. One day you will wake up and face constant hate and objection and as pathetic as you are you will just blame everyone else.

Also: i am not the poster you are refering.

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>Half a mile
>Missing from 800m
>With a missile

mhmm

>>34332721
no one really cares to be honest
i will just love when they try to debunk a report of their own goverment about their true capabilities
THAT would be a sight to laugh off

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>>34332602

but blini is already plural

>>34332722
>WVR and at no risk
>Not getting a gun kill
WHY?

>>34332720
Lets see what you missed:
>i am totaly not a vatnik
>what about america
>russia (stuff) stronk
>shitton of derails and insults
>US (stuff) weak
>answer my questions! also watch me evading basically every question directed at me.
>...

Rather late, but you may come to the right moment when the vatnik goes in full "you are all butthurt" butthurt mode or declaring (moral) victory alone, with no one agreeing with him.

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>>34332734
>still evading the question
Keep on squirming, it is amusing.

>>34332756
>>gets btfo'd talking about US military capability so he has to revert to shitposting about America's political influence, which is currently unmatched

oh yeah i can see how i evaded the question when i posted the report LOL

>>34332764
see >>34332756
We accept your defeat.

>>34332497
ASRAAM is 5 years older than AIM-9X and lacks the turning ability that caused partner nations to develop their own missiles.

>>34332764
>Hey you! Answer the question that i made to the other guy
>N-o i am not answering your question, even when its the elephant in the room half for the thread
>Just going to pretend it doesnt matter, while being the only person who thinks so

>>34332772
>>34332570
>>34332601
i accept your defeat
oh no this is not nam you cant just leave and declare victory :(

>>34332601
I actually chuckled, 10/10

>>34332797
>you cant just leave and declare victory

The irony is lost on you.

>>34329978
So the Russian airforce is so broke they can't afford flares now?

>>34332797
Common, dont be shy, tell us where you are from. Actually i am just baiting you for the next squirmish, evading answer to embarress yourself even further.

>>34332568
They still use 9Ms in combat areas? Or is it just to spare flight hours for the Xs in low intensity regions?

>>34329500

Chairforce fag here, I'd like to know where CNN got their sources because I heard there is a video floating around SIPR of the AIM-9 demolishing the SU-22

>>34331376
>chemical bombs delivering Syrian airfield
Fuck off. At least Colin Powell showed some washing powder in a jar, there is no evidence for this shit whatsoever.

>>34332908
same place they found a video to show a su 27 being 5 foot away of a 707..

>>34332910
b-but anon
i remember just like yesterday when 9 members of nato said that they have strong evidence that indeed it was saa that conducted the attack!

im still waiting to see that evidence btw

>>34332910
>muh WMD in iraq
It is like the idiots only have this one button to push.

>>34332943
helps when this single moment is what started this shitshow in middle east

>>34332960
Yes, we all know what a peaceful place that region was before. You seriously getting that desperate?

>>34332568
ALSO an Ammo troop here and I can attest to the 9M being the old POS being phased out through attrition.

Meanwhile we're buying up 9X's and I believe 9X block II's soon and those are the Sukoi extinction bomb

>>34332973
no one said it was peacefull..but saddam was getting the shit done no one can say that he didnt

we all know why this war happened

>>34332993
>but saddam was getting the shit done no one can
say that he didnt
He didnt, hence the war.

>>34332943
It was merely a comparison. All I'm saying is that back then they at least tried to show compelling evidence, why we have nothing at all for this incident.

>>34332797
>Military wants money for funding
>hypes of China as a major threat so that Congress will increase their budget
>they get more money
wtf I hate China now

>>34333003
well last time i checked he was killed terrorists more efficient than usa ever has

>>34333103
In case you didnt notice that only works so long, after some time it just breeds more radicals til it is too late, if they would have get rid of him in the first war, all this would not have happened.

>>34333058
No, you got indoctrinated unawarely to make this responds, same reason why this is always given like an automated answer in such threads. Free yourself from that garbage, dont be an useful idiot.

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These threads are always the same.
>vatniks shitpost about US capability
>gets soundly BTFO, shown that russia is markedly inferior in said area
>vatnik displays severe butthurt, tries and fails at weak-ass banter, gets out banted, changes subject
>rinse and repeat until bump limit

Like a wise japanese master once said, Russians are like nigger but wrong color by accident.

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>plane of the official government doing missions in their own airspace
>shot Down by americans
can somebody tell who the5fuck gave us rights to do shit like this? i mean what the fuck, i was sucha a ameriboo 2 years ago defending every move US made but now im on the edge if siding with vatniks.
what the fuck us

>>34333319
>i-im totally an ameriboo guise!
>just russia is better than us in every way hail assad and kek
>>>/pol/

>>34329578
B T F O
T
F
O

>>34333319
>assad literally giving support for ISIS troops
>"wow why is this wrong?"

>>34333319
Oh, look a concerd "former american fan" appears and he writes exactly like the vatnik before, one can only wonder.

>>34333304
While it is some shittalking you are doing there, i cant really attack you for it, simply because after all the time they just deserve it. The constant shitposting of the vatniks paired with the shitgrin silence acceptance of russians and russboos, who only start responding in order to attacking people pointing the bad behaviour of the vatniks out, simply was the (last) straw that broke the camel's back. The whole selfrightous, arrogant, unlikeable attitude that they drag through half the internet is just an embarressment.

>>34329500
I remember reading somewhere that the AIM-9 fired to hit ration was about 55-60%

>>34333387
Which AIM-9?

>>34333380
>assad literally trying to contain sdf cause he doesnt want to give any landmass to them
ASSAD IS HELPING ISIS

americans 2017

>>34332265
>3)tried to stirr the caspian basin
Explain.
>4)basicly created the ukraine situation (hey nurland can you hear me i loved your leaked tapes)
And Russian invading was what?
>5) promised help at georgia and when the shit got south just flipped them off
No we didn't.
>6)invaded yugoslavia and almost started ww3
You mean an air campaign and a peacekeeping operation (was it effective: that's up for debate)

>>34332532
And the Europeans too, they actually suggested freezing Iranian assets in Europe.

>>34333635
>bombing people that were fighting against ISIS
>not helping ISIS

>>34333641
http://sam.gov.tr/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/OzdenZeynepOktav.pdf

russia invaded after the nurland tapes and after svodoba got into the coalition goverment and started to kill russians i dont think the problem is the invasion but the annexation...

really you didnt?https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2008/08/12/the-united-states-shares-the-blame-for-the-russia-georgia-crisis that is a good read

i mean the whole incident on the airport that the americans wanted to bomb the russians

>>34329500
Have you never played a flight sim like f/a 18 hornet 3.0 or digital combat simulator???

>>34333718
>And the Europeans too, they actually suggested freezing Iranian assets in Europe.
no one is suggesting this there was some mumbo jumbo about the freezing on the last time but for this time around nothing will happen

iran will spend a nice amount on europe's companies especially on airbus..

The whole premise of those thread is gold
>America shot down Russian built jet but it took 2 missiles instead of 1!
>AMERIFATS BTFO

Thank god autism isn't contagious

>>34332065
>PPP
Laughinggirls.jpg

>>34333728
really sdf was fighting isis east of raqqa? a place that was already liberated months ago ? hmmmm

they wanted to get the TAL af road its a key checkpoint to get into DEZ a place that is much more important than raqqa atm

>>34333802
Oh it is dont worry

*BRRRRAAAAAAAPP*

>>34333804
world bank invented PPP to show the actual economic power of a currency against the dollar

random /k/ thinks he knows better than worldbank

pfffff


not using Iris-T

your not even trying america.

>>34333870
I spent a few minutes typing up a sincere response to this, but then I realized you already know you are wrong and are just trying to muddy the waters.

Fuck off

>>34333764
>svodoba got into the coalition goverment and started to kill russians
Things that did not happen. Putin thought he could put the West on blast by taking Crimea and singlehandely caused the re-investment and increasing ops tempo for NATO and the massive sanctions on his country. He literally played himself for the fool.

>https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2008/08/12/the-united-states-shares-the-blame-for-the-russia-georgia-crisis
Maybe if Russia wan not concerned about grabbing territory in other nations, they wouldn't have these problems. The South Ossetia issue is a "Russia being an idiot" issue, NOT an American one. The only thing the US did was offer to train the Georgian military before the war. The only thing they did during it was fly back Georgian troops to a forward base under US fighter cover.
>i mean the whole incident on the airport that the americans wanted to bomb the russians
It was a NATO mission idiot, the troops on the ground were British tankers with America Cav scouts as a reserve (I know because I had a bunch of college classes with a guy who WAS one of those Cav scouts). NATO wanted to take the airbase so they could fly more troops and supplies in that would force the Serbs to fall back and stop them from genociding the people living in the area. Russia holding the airport meant that the Serbs could continue killing indiscriminately. I actually ask the Cav scout guy if they could have beaten the Russian stationed at the airport and he said the battle (assuming they actually fought and didn't surrender) would have lasted less than 6 hours.

>>34333888
ok they didnt happen all the videos were just russians shooting russians..got it

yeah that also never happened it was just putin all along

"it was a nato mission" the solution for everything
clark literally gave the order to blockade effectivelly trying to shut down the aircrafts
but "it was a nato mission"

nato is just the escape goat when shit goes south for you guys eh

>>34333962
Dude, if we're going to have a discussion, try to form your responses better. I (and presumably other people in this thread) can't understand you.

>>34333991
there is a bbc documentary about the pristina airport..and jackson said a lot of stuff about it mainly that clark acted on behalf of usa and usa alone

>>34333870
>PPP
It was designed to give a better understanding of how much your average citizen get for a dollar equivalent buying an average basket of consumer goods. It is useless for trying to determine economic health of a country.

>>34332509
>hmm lets see how many countries around the globe dislike what the americans do?
>pretty sure most of eu
>pretty sure all of the M.E
>99% of africa
>south america and central america
>even macron flipped murica with his statement yesterday http://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/1.797152?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Actually that article says that Macron is following the US's lead, previous French leaders saw that Assad could be reasoned with but Macron says that Assad must go.

The title of the article is a beat misleading but if you read it (it's less than a page in total) you'll understand fully what they say.

>>34333150
>demanding evidence for severe accusations means you're indoctrinated

>>34335705
Way to miss the point.

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>>34332897
Not all jets are cleared to carry 9X yet.

>>34335785
What is the point then? The Iraqi WMD maymay is a viable examples of why you shouldn't trust any state actor and demand solid evidence

>>34332897

It's an F-18. The Navy still uses AIM-7 Sparrows they've got lying around.

>>34335930
>implying Iraq did not have WMDs

Goalpost movement in 5...4...3...

>>34335930
Why? Because it gets dragged along every chance given, no matter how relevant it is to begin with, by now it is on a "dont trust da jooz" level. Its like the standard shill answer and people keep parroting it simply because they seen others do this. Furthermore it only goes and is used in one direction, which is contradicting the narritive you actually claim to have, people like you will endlessly demand evidence as long as it aligns against the US, but turn both eyes blind the second it is about Russia or Assad for example. And spare us with the lie that it isnt the case, because we could actually see that from people like you, if you actually where doing that, but this is magically never the case, my total neutral poster number 9356, doing the exact same thing.

t non american

>>34336040
it gets dragged along exactly because it's such a good example. If the US wasn't constantly on the winning side i'm sure people would use similar shit against other superpowers, but turns out there aren't any around that fuck up other countries on the other side of the globe since decades.

>>34336269
It gets dragged along, because it is one of the rare cases the US has done that, it gets dragged along because people think its their super button they just have to press every time the US says something they dont like. It is overused, gets constantly refered to without thinking and without actually honestly taking the claimed idea behind it honest and apply their claimed doubt on more than the US.

>>34336347
it couldn't have happened more often because there's a limited amount of countries to fuck up and a population at home that's tired of war. Probably it wouldn't get used that often if samntha power and nikki haley and the people that repeat the drivel these persons spew weren't everywhere. Constantly claiming moral superiority whilte doing all kinds of fucked up shit without even providing evidence doesn't work for to long, who would've thought. They'll have to find something new

>>34329575
>NATO plane shoots down syrian jet.
>IT TOOK 2 MISSILE SO IT DOESN'T COUNT GUYS!

>>34336545
It gets used so often, simply because they like their fake little moral superiority, while actually being everything they attack at the same time. Those people are hypocrites through and through, of course they dont care what it actually means or what consequences should be there through this for themself, all they care about is, that they can claim to be honest and have high moral ground by raping an event for the 9000s time, declaring this is a moral thing to do, while fully relying on the anonymity and the inability to track their whole posting, in order to check if they judge everything on the level they claim.

>>34330385
Uh yes? The vast majority of kurds are islamic. Many even fight for isis. Why would you think they're not islamic?

You know saladin was a kurd, right?

>>34337068
>Many even fight for isis.

According to isis, less than ten. Compared to over a thousand from the SAA

>>34330198
>>nato's "air superiority" is so overhyped it's almost hilarious

Hold on boris...what have the syrians shot down lately? Or, the russians for that matter? Oh wait...the vodka nigs did get that airliner.

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>>34329500
>iring a AIM-9 Sidewinder -- a short-range air-to-air missile -- at the Syrian plane from about half a mile away, two US officials told CNN.
They fired a sidewinder from about 2,640 feet?
And it launched flares in the meantime that had enough time to seduce the missile?

When effective gun range is about 3,000 feet?

>>34332743
that fucking cat is adorable. Must procure cat.

>>34332746

>>34329530

shit thread
mods pleas kill this cancer

>something negative happens to Russian military
>entire thread is everyone shitting on russians

>something negative happens to US military
>entire thread is everyone shitting on russians
>The same excuses/explinations that get slavaboos blown the fuck out are totally ok when everyone else does it.

You guys really hate Russians huh.

To be more on topic, I really don't understand how this AIM-9X missed, if it even was an X.
There is no way the Su-22 would have known it was coming, and even then the 9X is supposed to be very flare resistant. Someone already posted a video of that F-4 dumping a fuck load of flares and the AIM9 gave zero fucks.

Su-22 is also pretty much incapable of performing maneuvers required to avoid a 9X.

>>34337794
because surely /k/ threads are so neutral

>You guys really hate Russians huh.

It's a reaction to vatnikposting, not hating Russians.