NATO F-16 BUZZES PLANE WITH RUSSIA'S DEFENSE MINISTER

>>34320104
>tl;dr Vatniks don't like it when people do their own tricks on them.
Oh how the turntables.

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>>34320104
>tilted its wings from side to side to show the weapons it was carrying
...
>The Pentagon said the intercept had been unsafe and accused the Russian pilot of flying too fast and having "poor control" over his SU-27 fighter jet.

Are you sure the Su-27 pilot wasn't just flying drunk?

F-16 would eat an Su-27 for breakfast

>>34320104
Is that an R-27, missile profile looked similiar.

>>34320143
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJ8itPMOys0
forgot vid

>>34320158

he really is drunk

that video looks like what happens when I try to fly a four ship in DCS world

>>34320180
>>34320158
Oh Man, I was joking when I said he was drunk, I hadn't actually seen the video, he legit looks he can't keep the damn plane straight

>>34320234
Well the intention was to show off the weapons to the F-16 as a way of telling it to fuck off.

I voted for Drumpf to avoid this shit

>>34320115
So much this

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l>>34320260
Now it almost looks like he tries to keep up with the F-16 , starts having problems and then falls back against because his plane cant keep up.

>>34320351
Planes lose energy when they turn so makes sense.

>>34320362
>rolling == turning

>>34320362
I dont mean, that this is how it seriously happens, but it just looks so
>speed up Su-27 to catch up on F-16
>Cant keep up with this, Su-27 starts acting up
>SUKA BYLAD! PLANE IS HAVING PROBLEMS!
>Su-27 falls back because it cant keep up
>REEEEE! You little piece of shit!

To think of it, this would be perfect for a video edit.

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>>34320115

This.

It's amazing to see Vatniks turn into crybabies every time someone decides to show them what could happen to them if western people weren't civilized.

>>34320417
The result is still the same.

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>>34320462
>Western
>civilized

fatso, please

>>34320508
>implying a few crumbling buildings come anywhere near the fucking zone that is Russia

>>34320487
No it fucking isn't

>>34320180
>>34320234
Real life isn't ace combat. Looked like he showed he was armed then created distance. You don't want to be a coupe yards away from a plane if you have to shoot him down.

Obviously it isn't polished as they fly 1/10th of the hours we do and he's flying in between two aircraft.

>>34320521
yes it is considering the plane slowed way down due to the drag increase. use your head. what has more drag an arrow going straight or one thrown sideways.

>>34320508
>Implying redguard Detroit is the entirety of the US
>Implying there aren't cities that operate in that exact same fashion in Africa because that's just how redguards do wherever you put them
>Implying half of Russia looks any better

Vatniks, everyone.

>>34320532
You have no idea what an airplane roll is, do you?

>>34320521
Yea it is. Back to high school with you and learn about drag, momentum, and energy.

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>>34320508

Why did you just post a luxurious Russian middle-class home?

>>34320526
>Obviously it isn't polished as they fly 1/10th of the hours we do and he's flying in between two aircraft.
So he's not drunk, just incompetent?

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>>34320104
>US is finally pulling fighter jet hijinks and the Russians of all people get butthurt

LOL! I spent years at Elmendorf having to deal with those faggots sending Tu-95s over. Deal with it Nerdniks.

>>34320549
Top bants.

>>34320104
Do the pilot talks with each other during this kind of thing?

>>34320559
All nations are in comparison to the USAF.

Just watch videos of the French flying. Crazy shit but not smooth at all.

>>34320580
pilots talk*

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>>34320580
probably on a different freq, but there may be a universal freq that they use

>>34320158
>Goes up to where F-16 has a blindside
>Shows his weapons
>Goes behind the F-16 for weapons lock
>F-15 goes away

I don't see the problem

>>34320580
Some do. IIRC TU95 pilots and F-15 pilots became friends over the course of several intercepts.

>>34320597
Didnt americans annoy the political commisars in the Tu-95s on purpose? Remember stories of them, flying to the front and back of the TU-95 waving to the russian crew at that part of the plane and the political commisars had to constantly hurry to the back and the front of the plane, making sure the russian crew didnt do something they didnt like. There was also that one story of when they wrote a sign saying "Watch out you got a 1,5 meter green rat going back and forth on your plane" in russian, which they showed when the commisar was busy walking and the russian crew was laughing their asses off when the commisar finally managed to get back to the cockpit.

this is such a cool situation.

really makes me wish i had went into the airforce. would they even except people that had lasik eye surgery?

>>34320562
>us fighter jets in the baltic

>>34320158
Yup, R-27. Why can't russia afford flying their R-77s?
The civilized world has switched to active missiles, you never see AIM-7s outside of training but in russia you see about as many R-77s as you see sober russians.
As far as I know we've only seen a pair of them in Syria on a flight pr two.
They have supposedly been in service since '94 and the first batches must have passed their shelf life by now.
Did russia only produce like a dozen of them and are too afraid to take them out of storage?
Conversely, do they still keep producing the ancient R-27?
As far as I know, all AIM-7 production has ceased in the west save for the ESSM and other SAM variants.

>>34320627
Yes, there's alot of paperwork involved if it's done by someone outside of the air force.

>>34320562
>>34320637

The last time the USA was involved in the baltic Air Policing mission was a F-15C deployment in January 2014. The F-16s which are currently deployed belong to Poland, which might explain any shenanigans that take place

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltic_Air_Policing#Deployments

https://www.ac.nato.int/archive/2017/poland-new-lead-nation-in-nato-baltic-air-policing-

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>>34320508
Meanwhile

>>34320158
>[F-16 flying beside plane at a safe distance]
>Why hello there Mr defense minist-
>>CYKA BLLAAAAAAATTTTT
>>R... RUSSIA WILL RI... RISE FROM THE ASHES...
>>[ENG WARNING ENG WARNING ENG WARNING]
>>CAPITALIST PIG DOGS I will get Yᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒᵘ.....

>What in the actual fuck.
>[keeps flying right next to the plane]

>>34320158
>Driven away
>F-16 still just chilling there after the Su-27 drunkenly wagles at it.

>>34320895
Not only that, drunkenly wiggles at it then slowly slides out of frames drunkenly recovering from the wiggle

>>34320902
Don't be silly, its getting into position for a lock on.

>>34320917
>H.....HE WAS LOCKING ONTO THE F-16 I SWEAR IT.
Pffft. Not only do you have no proof of this, the pilot was over correcting like a bitch and when he "went behind for a lock" he sure took his sweet time about it, almost like he was dragging due to overcorrecting and was not increasing engine power to compensate.

>>34320917
Why not just lock up the 16 in the first place? There's really no reason to show off that you're armed.

What actually happened:
>F-16s perform standard intercept on Russian aircraft
>start to form up on Russian plane
>Sukhois get butt blasted and suddenly speed up to get between F-16
>F-16 doesn't want someone to crash into him, backs off.
>"AMERISHITS BTFO HOW CAN THEY EVER RECOVER RUSSIA STRONG"

>>34320933
To add, the fact that he LOWERED his altitude to """"" get a lock""""" shows how BS it is.

His altitude lowered because of overcorrecting. He then stayed back because he didn't want to kill he defense minister due to shoddy flying.

>>34320940
In the video the f-16 kept a constant heading and bearing, but it's hard to tell with the constant zooming and unzooming.

>>34320873
Literally made me kek.

>>34320158
Just how many fuel tanks on this f-16, Jesus?

>>34320961
All of them.

>3 plus 2 Amraam and 2 aim 9

>>34320104
US Recon plane intercepted by Russian or Chinese plane:
> AGGRESSIVE RUSSIAN'S DANGEROUS BARREL ROLL AND FLY BY 5FT CLOSE TO DEFENSELESS US PEACE KEEPING AIRCRAFT FLYING OVER NEUTRAL(basically over DC) WATERS
US plane intercepted Russian plane:
SYRIAN GASSING RUSSIAN NUCLEAR CAPABLE BOMBER INTIMIDATES US CROPDUSTER ONLY 4000 MILES FROM US MAINLAND
I fucking hate the press.

>>34320978
Wut.

The news is saying the f-16 "buzzed" the airliner. Based on the video it did no such thing.

>>34320978
Pretty much.

>>34320990
>>34320978
>implying China does not have a history of not being able to fly their aircraft and crashing into US planes

I would bitch at China too.

>>34320104
> tilted its wings from side to side to show the weapons it was carrying

Thats not what that means.

>>34321002
>suddenly brings in China
lmao

>>34321004
Go ahead and tell us what it mean then, Goose.

>>34320984
I'm referring to any article about an interception. In this case it's a "Russian plane unsafely flies to close to US plane and attempts intimidates it" episode.

>>34321007
>suddenly brings in China
When responding to...
>US Recon plane intercepted by Russian or Chinese plane:

How's illiteracy treating you?

>>34320978
>Chinese Aircraft have literally crashed into American Recon planes while flying recklessly.
>F-fucking Americans stop crying!

>>34321013
>In this case it's a "Russian plane unsafely flies to close to US plane and attempts intimidates it"
Except the article is literally, "Russian defense minister's plane buzzed by NATO jet", when no such thing happened.

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>>34320622

I always heard that they were dicking around flashing Playboy and whatever Russian equivalent to each other from their cockpits. News got out that they were having fun up there rather than MUH COLD WAR ENEMIES so they sent a commisar up there with them to deter the shenanigans.

The story goes that they "simulated" turbulence by yanking the yoke around until the commisar had to go strap into his seat in the back with no window. Then they resuming dicking around looking at pussy and tits. Fun story.

>>34321054
>>pl-15

Oh, that meme missile that does not exist?

>>but muh weight simulators

Kek

>>34321022
Fag

>>34320351
flashes his weapons and is immediately on that f16 six side

dude was ready to throw down and he got in position to act

that flash worked to his advantage immediately slowing him down and right onto the f16 tail


but in the end it was nato trying to incite ww3

they were probably cocky enough to think this video wouldn't be up for public viewing

you can tell it was an invitation to war because it didnt look that f16 was carrying AA weaponry

just bombs

probably bombs full of orphans or something

why the fuck is eaurope gearing up for war like this?

cant let the lefties win yall

>>34320104
at least su-27 looks better than ameri piggu muh-16

>>34320670
>west
yeah, and
Japan(AAM-4) and China(PL-15) both now have far better BVR missiles than US and NATO.

heard about AESA seeker or ducted rocket?

>>34321086
>gets in position to act
>goes to a lower altitude

Pick one.

>>34321088
>Japan(AAM-4) and China(PL-15) both now have far better BVR missiles than US and NATO.
lmao

>>34321065
http://www.popsci.com/chinese-air-to-air-missile-hits-targets-spooks-usaf-general#page-3

>yeah all Chink related things are meme and i'm smarter than USAF 4 star general.

>>34321088
See
>>34321065

Shamfur dispray deleting your posts btw

>>34321107
>are developing = has

The US is developing a 6th generation fighter. According to your logic, the US has a 6th generation fighter.

>>34320902
Which plane is which. Is the one that backs up Russia or the Us?

>>34321124
Lurkmore

>>34321103
>10m lower
>at cruise speed in a jet
someone knows fuck all about aviation

>>34321036
i wish this story was true

>>34321124

Neither, the F-16 is Polish.

Also, there are so many differences between an F-16 & Su-27.From this angle just being able to count engines or vertical stabilisers is enough.

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>>34320104

Why are Russian planes so big?

A Su-27 is basically like 2 F-16's stacked on each other.

Doesn't this make them more Radar Friendly and thus easier to be shot?

Are they big because of bad craftsmanship or is there a good reason for that?

>>34321228
Ok thanks. I don't really know anything about planes and I thought this thread was interesting so I joined it so yea. Sorry for bothering

>>34321252
The Flanker is supposed to be more of an analog to the F-15, which is about the same size. The F-16's actually a pretty small plane, which is why you always see them carrying drop tanks - they've got no room for fuel.

>>34321140
>not immediately gaining an altitude advantage

Someone knows fuck all about BFM

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>>34321262

I see now. Thanks!

>>34321252
roughly
Mig-29 to Su-27(and its variants) like F-16 to F-15.

>>34321278
No problem, glad to help!

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>>34321088
As of yet, only Sweden has such a missile in service, the Meteor. The chinks are developing their own but Chinese military production is a black hole, they might be ready by early 2018 or delayed until 2028, nobody knows and whatever the chinks claim officially can safely be disregarded as false.
The Japs intend to stick their own seeker on a Meteor engine but that is still in development.

>>34320104
Can't fucking wait for this war to go hot!

>>34321078
Great comeback faglord you sure convinced me with your hot arguments.
Not even the guy you're responding to.

>>34321252
The F-16 is really really small.

>>34321394
Also Su-27s are really large because they carry shitloads of fuel internally.

>>34321403
Which is good. A bigger air craft is easier to design in stealthy features among other things. Time on station/in the air is more important than size since the only thing it effects is storage and maintenance.

>>34321422
Eventually size does become a problem though. Also, the Su-27 is nowhere near stealthy.

>>34321315

>British-French missile
>Sweden gets it first

literally how

I can understand the US giving F-15s to Israel so they could see how they performed against soviet aircraft but sweden with its feminist foreign policy is literally the opposite of that

>>34320938
Missile locks are blatant aggressive maneuvers, it's the "gun pointed finger on trigger" moment.

>>34321260

Su-27 = 2x engine & vertical stabiliser.
F-16 = 1x engine & vertical stabiliser

Even if you don't know the details of the design that is very easy to see the difference.

>>34321013
>"Russian plane unsafely flies to close to US plane and attempts intimidates it" episode.
Because they do fly way to close on such intercepts.

>>34321438
Obviously, because of it's age. My point is that a larger aircraft frame is easier to make stealthy if they chose to. Also, hence the "among other things". Also yeah, at a point size can cause problems if, for example, the engines aren't quite there or your aircraft is so big and heavy that you need a huge wing surface area, proportionately higher. My point is that in the reasonable spectrum of things it's allows an aircraft designer and aircraft to do more. Bigger engines, bigger systems, and generally more options in the design and combat phases.

>>34321439

Sweden rushed to get it integrated in the hope of boosting Gripen export favorability. It was slotted into planned upgrade phases for the Eurofighter Phase 2 Enhancement (P2E), as they saw no hurry.

>>34320534
Enough of the US is close enough to Detroit-level, or within 30 minutes of some place that is, to where it's not something that can be brushed off. You get into the younger generations and the US is basically Nigeria/Bolivia. There's no real future for the country outside of isolated pockets of luxury for exclusively Asian transplant workers.

>>34321443
Thanks for pointing out the details to me mang

>>34321512
Have you ever been to America?

>>34320508
Yes, we have a city overrun with black monkies.

Whereas your entire country is overrun with Slavs!

I imagine they look similar.

>>34321536
Yes, I live here. My family has been here for over 100 years. I suppose I'd direct your question right back at you. Have YOU ever been to America?

>>34320158

those desperate Slavs in the comments

>>34321512
>I read pravada.

The post

>>34321560
Or...
>I leave my house on a regular basis: the post.
Maybe you live in South Dakota or something.

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>>34321512
>>34321551
Bullshit.

>>34321551
If after a hundred years your still living in a place that looks like Detroit, your either black or your doing wrong!

>>34321570
Little Somalia is your shining example?

>>34321512
>Coastie detected

How's it feel living in a proof of concept of social engineering that failed?

The heartland's going to be fine long after you guys degenerate yourselves into oblivion

>>34321579
>your [sp] still living
>>34321512
>within 30 minutes of some place that is

>tilted its wings from side to side to show the weapons it was carrying

literally MUH DIKKKK

>>34321551
>My family has been here for over 100 years
That explains it. Any one who doesn't have roots going back to pre-independence should gas themselves

>>34321585
I'm not really sure what you're actually asking here. No one in the public ever got to vote on the Immigration Act. And I suppose places like Texas and Nebraska aren't "the heartland"? What are we talking about here? Is it basically Iowa, Indiana, and Ohio?

>>34321595
I'm okay with not being a descendant of a race-mixed Puritan.

>>34321588
Yes my spelling on a phone is the issue.

Not the fact that you can't afford to live farther than 30 mins away from a dump.

>>34321512
>Enough of the US is close enough to Detroit-level, or within 30 minutes of some place that is,

>>when you hit the korkadil too hard.

>>34321580
Are you really that stupid?

>>34321568
Mid Ohio actually.

>>34320123
What is that thing for something? A pillow?

>>34321665
>Not the fact that you can't afford to live farther than 30 mins away from a dump.
You really this dumb?

>>34321580
Are you also going to call us "Little Vietnam" because we have a huge Hmong population?

Yeah, there's a lot of Somalis here, and they've integrated pretty well. That doesn't mean they've taken over or anything.

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>>34321695
What is the issue? The US is a free country. You can leave anytime.

Try Russia. It should remind you of home. (According to you)!

>>34320158
>brandishing
That's unlegal!

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Little Laos would be more appropriate.

>>34321665
>He thinks 30 minutes is close in a city
That's going out to the fucking suburbs, kid. Just because it takes you 2 hours to get to Wal-Mart doesn't mean your life experience is a measure of elsewhere.

>>34321709
>Are you also going to call us "Little Vietnam"
If the shoe fits.
>and they've integrated pretty well.
Like I said originally, there really isn't much future for the US as a functional entity. Feel free to tell yourself whatever it is you need to.

>>34321734
It's almost like building a city around a single industry can be devastating if the economic circumstances change.

>>34321742
>claims the US has no future
>claims to live in this us

Hmmmmmmm, something is not adding up here...

>>34320158
the su27 is shit but consider this
>tilts wing to show missiles
>falls behind f16 in position to fire
yeh

>>34321742
>I'm a scurred little country boy who can't handle seeing brown people!

>>34321764
>getting into position to fire
>not getting an altitude advantage

Theory busted.

>>34321751
Especially if blacks live there. They don't adapt well in the best of times. Take away prosperity and it's straight to drugs and crime.

Show me an American city where that isn't true!

>>34321755
Where would I move to? And don't confuse my personal situation living out my life with the inability of the US to consistently reach a consensus on domestic and foreign policy.

>>34321507
It is also that the Gripen has a full two way data link unlike the Rafale and that adding capability to the Eurofighter has proven nightmarishly complex. Testing was originally not meant to be done on Gripen but it turned out that it was the easiest plane to work with.

>>34321797
>Where would I move to?

Somewhere you think has a future??

>BUT NOWHERE HAS A FUTURE

Ahhh, so you are a shit tier nihilistic fuck and your opinion should be discounted as such.

I would not stay in a futureless place, fuck that.

>>34321765
Brown countries are what they are. If they were any good, they wouldn't be flooding into Western countries. And their influx corresponds directly with the West's decline and nothing that sits on the docket of the current establishment -- which I presume this thread is largely defending -- is going to stick at all.

>>34321790
>>34321834
>Stormfront mythology

>>34321825
>But nowhere has a future
No, that's not true. The Anglosphere doesn't have a future. Western Europe has no future. Not if you're White, anyway. They are all basically African countries at this point shuffling around the globe looking to loot anything they can to keep domestic niggers well kept. I don't speak Hungarian or Czech or anything like that, so there really isn't anywhere to move to that's going to be better.

>>34321862
>No, that's not true.

Then move to the places that do have a future you god damn moron.

>I don't know the language

Then learn it you retard. This is not hard.

>Gee I can't wait to grow old in a futureless place because I fucking lack the drive to do anything about it
-you

>>34320670
Russia always sends up old SU-27S's (the very first model of the Flanker in service) for these intercepts.

The Su-27S can't take R77's. The Su-27SM3, Su-30's, and Su-35's can, but they never do these single ship intercepts.

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>>34321834
>If they were any good

Turkey is really good. Don't know if you see them as brown though.

>>34321862
>I've fallen for Stormfront bullshit and can't do anything but bitch about it

>>34321911
Well, assuming they can unfuck what Erdogan's done. Attaturk's rolling in his grave right now.

>>34321967
Typical woe is me shit tier personality.

He had all the answers to his conundrum in his post, but was too stupid to see it, and to lazy to actually do it.

He does not actually care that he thinks he is living in a place without a future, because to him it does not matter, it's just another thing to bitch about.

>>34321989
Would it matter if I up and moved to Hungary? How many years before Uncles Schmul and Sambo launch the NATO-approved Global War on Whiteness and sanction then invade? You look at the track record of utter bullshit these racially degraded nations have bought hook, line, and sinker for the past century and I don't think they'll have too much trouble getting that one through.

>>34322035
So your argument moved from "there are places with a future" to "oh wait no there are not".

I then default to my original statement, you are a shit tier depressed nihilistic fuck and your views on the world should be taken as such.

>>34322035
>Global War on Whiteness
And here we see the retard who has bought the bullshit show just how deeply indoctrinated he is.

>>34321683
It's a ukrainian.

>>34322075
Kek, nice damage control.

>>34320158
i dont get it, whats the big deal if they just fly next to each other?

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>>34321683
Shitty Russian style coat called a Vatnik.

>>34322061
I don't need to buy any bullshit. The government is very open and very clear about what it intends to do and this is replicated in every country on the Western side of the old Berlin Wall. The more jewish a country is [France, UK] and the Whiter a country is [Sweden] are the biggest tells in how affected a nation will be.

>>34322098
Thanks. That explains the name too.

>>34322115
>everything is terrible and nothing can be done and the world is futureless.

If you invested so much energy into a hopeless cause, unironically eat a bullet.

It's a terminal mental illness, you won't get better, your self destructive thinking of why something can't be done will basically ensure you will have a shit tier life.

Eat a bullet, it would be less suffering than your existence. I would not wish to live such a life.

>>34321797
>the inability of the US to consistently reach a consensus on domestic and foreign policy.
People having different opinions in a country apparently mean it's going the way of the dinosaurs.
>Take away prosperity and it's straight to drugs and crime. Show me an American city where that isn't true!
That happens in literally every city the world over

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>>34322075

>>34322115
>Yep, I've been indoctrinated, am hopeless and don't want to try to learn!

>>34321512

salty detroit resident detected

>>34322115
Yes, you're completely right, random internet stranger. You've figured out the conspiracy.
Real talk (and I want a serious answer): Do you believe there is a conspiracy against the average person in the West?

>>34321580

nazi detected

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>>34320158
The F-16 was not doing anything wrong. It looked like a typical escort over international waters. The Su-27 was over aggressive. If Trump was flying from Singapore to Japan over International waters and out of goodwill China sends J-10s as escort, it would be a positive sign instead.

>>34321790

drugs and crime always follow economic downturn

US blacks exist a system built on slavery and racial prejudice and do not enjoy the same privileges as white americans

it has nothing to do with race and everything to do with 2nd class citizen status

you're a fucking clown

>>34322196
>Do you believe there is a conspiracy against the average person in the West?
In the modern day, the average person in the West is a part-nigger immigrant, so no. And a conspiracy intimates that it's somehow not out in the open. The lifeblood of postwar America is the destruction of the White race the world over and this is plainly reflected in the demographics of every single Western nation aligned with the US.

>>34322216
Not him but calling blacks a second class citizen in the US is laughable. It's not the 60s anymore, nobody gives a single fuck.

>>34322216
Being concentrated, either by Jim Crow or De Facto segregation, into economic dead zones in cities didn't help, either.

>>34322237
Just because the laws have changed doesn't mean the problems aren't there or that racism has been solved.

Like Redistricting efforts, Polling site closures, and Voter ID laws engineered around erasing the power of the black vote.

>>34322258
Jerry mandering helps and hurts blacks depending on who is in power, same for every other politically important demographic. Zero to do with blacks themselves.

Polling sites and IDs are such dogshit. One, every motherfucker has an ID. What the fuck is a nigga doing without an ID? Go to the DMV, fuck, it's not hard. Wait in line like every other nigga god damn. Polls are located fucking everywhere, if you have a car you can find one with minimal fucking effort and if you take a bus, you are taking a God damn bus nigga take another one somewhere else shit.

Nobody gives a single fuck about niggas. Nobody. Which is actually true fucking equality.

This shitty pretending bullshit keeps us down more than anything. So fucking tired of it.

>>34321771
They are at spitting distance, altitude advantage is not going to mean shit.
Never mind there was probably another Su-27 1-2km back watching his back.

>>34322232
>In the modern day, the average person in the West is a part-nigger immigrant, so no.
Do you have verifiable proof to back this statement up? That's quite the assumption.
>The lifeblood of postwar America is the destruction of the White race the world over and this is plainly reflected in the demographics of every single Western nation aligned with the US.
https://whistlinginthewind.org/2017/05/04/the-white-genocide-conspiracy-theory-and-why-its-nonsense/
>>34322239
This, there's a reason Harlem used to be middle class, but once policies that were designed at keeping minorities down were enacted it, it started to have serious issues.

>>34322338
Altitude advantage matters all the time. This is BFM.

A fighter 100 meters behind a plane is in a far, far better position if it is above it than below it.

Energy is king.

>>34321009
It's a wave

>>34322292
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/inside-the-republican-creation-of-the-north-carolina-voting-bill-dubbed-the-monster-law/2016/09/01/79162398-6adf-11e6-8225-fbb8a6fc65bc_story.html?utm_term=.ee8633825afe
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/17/us/some-republicans-acknowledge-leveraging-voter-id-laws-for-political-gain.html
https://www.thenation.com/article/there-are-868-fewer-places-to-vote-in-2016-because-the-supreme-court-gutted-the-voting-rights-act/

It's pretty blatant and proven in court that your opinion is wrong.

Something always bothered me about the F-16, the ones flown by the USAF and Western NATO allies all use drop tanks but the ones for Middle East allies all use conformal tanks with drop tanks. Specifically the USAF and the West flies Block 50/52 but the Middle East flies Block 60, why is those things?

Also will the F-16 be in service long enough for one more upgrade, or is Block 50/52 the definitive version of the USAF F-16?

>>34322359
>BRO LOOK THIS TIME IT WAS THE REPUBLICANS DOING IT REEEEEEEEEEE BLACK CONSPIRACY

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerrymandering_in_the_United_States

Fuck you, you ignorant ass bitch. Democrats did the same damn thing when they were given the opportunity.

Everyone fucking did, has done, and will do.

Sit the fuck down.

>>34322350
Don't forget that the War on Drugs was basically started by Nixon as a means to be able to crush dissenters who happened to use weed.

Which lead to creating a multi-generational prison cycle making it impossible for more heavily enforced areas to advance as well.

>>34322385
>Gerrymandering is the only problem
Eat shit you myopic twit.

>>34322365
The USAF / west bought their F-16s years / decades before those Middle Eastern countries (besides Israel).

>Also will the F-16 be in service long enough for one more upgrade, or is Block 50/52 the definitive version of the USAF F-16?

They're still getting upgrades; they're now in the process of getting AESA radars.

>>34322365
Basically, at the point the Block 50/52 F-16s were introduced, the F-35 was already on the way, so the US and the NATO countries who plan on picking it up pretty much decided it wasn't worth upgrading their F-16s past that point if they're going to be replaced anyways.

The Block 60s are basically completely new builds with the latest tech packed in as a way to entice foreign buyers who wouldn't have access to anything better.

>>34322402
>focus on jerrymandering
>get shown it's a problem as old as the US, quite literally
>gets upset at being blown the fuck out.

Yeah, like I said sit the fuck down, bitch

>>34322352
Except the Su-27 can't aim at the F-16 from above since it's cannon if slightly angled upwards so it would have to go into a dive to aim, and at that distance would pass the F-16 or collide with it before being able get proper aim.

>>34322385

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>>34322415
First off, if your first choice is guns you fucked up.

Second off a dive target presents a bigger cross section and you gain energy than rather than lose it in a climb target. Still superior.

>>34322414
>Trying to make it look like I'm focused on Gerrymandering
>When prior posts point out NC Voter ID law engineered to target black voters and Polling site closures that make voting nearly impossible for urban voters

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>>34322417
And image didn't load.

>>34320521
Roll induces drag via shifting control surfaces to redirect airflow. The same applies to any maneuver the aircraft does. All aircraft slow down when maneuvering unless they're accelerating, but in the video he's matching speed in a 6+ton tin can in close proximity to another so the apparent change in airspeed is more obvious.
>Sorry for the autism but it's the clearest way I can explain it

>>34322439
I already pointed out why the ID and polling place shit is pure bullshit.

Pick a fucking city, nigga. Pick one.

>>34322411
>>34322403
Are the Block 60's "better" in anyway, or do they just have a larger radius because of the CFTs?

>>34322453
No, you spouted a bullshit opinion. And I responded with links proving you were full of shit.

>>34322385
Well it has been ruled by courts in the past that Repubs were doing for racists reason and trying to lower minority turnout. Also, the SC will be hearing about gerrymandering case from Wisconsin in a few weeks.

>>34322414
No he focused on how Gerrmandering effects different groups differently and you got BTFO

>>34322478
Pick a city nigga.

You posted some shit tier race baiting reporters opinion.

Pick a fucking city pussy.

>>34322481
>Well it has been ruled by courts in the past that Repubs were doing for racists reason

Everyone does it for political reasons you dumb nigger, all races included, not just blacks.

>Gerrymandering effects different groups

THAT'S THE ENTIRE PONT OF GERRYMANDERING.

democrats want to over represent their groups, republicans want to over represent their groups.

>Americans talking shit about America.
>People talking shit about cities in America.
>That moment when you're chilling in chicago, in the largest commercial data center in the world, with more fiber and copper in it than small nations have.

Keep bitching that multiculturalism is killing the world while you sit on the internet that's running through the building I'm in right now in a city you think is crumbling.

>>34322486
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2017/05/north_carolina_s_voter_suppression_law_was_apparently_too_racist_for_the.html

Yep, just keep shifting those goalposts.

>>34322544
As suspected, you go to such shit tier baiting papers like fuckin slate.

You refuse to pick *ANY* city to see if your shit tier views stand up to scrutiny.

They don't. All you got is some weak ass appeal to authority. I repeat myself, sit the fuck down.

>>34322544
Only racist republicans gerryman-

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/politics/bs-md-redistricting-case-20170601-story.html#nws=true

>>34322465
They generally are better, although that'll probably reverse with the new AESAs on the USAF jets (unless of course the Block 60 operators also get the radars). The USAF doesn't care too much though; it's a jet in the late stages of its life; it doesn't necessarily need to be going toe-to-toe with Su-30s or whatever.

>>34322518
But the point the other anon is trying to make is that is happens way more in areas where minorities are. There's no need to do it in areas where you have a single group that's already a majority.

>>34322526
They say the same thing about the us here in the Bay Area, but those tech dollars can't roll in fast enough.

>>34322621
>But the point the other anon is trying to make is that is happens way more in areas where minorities are.

Any ethic group. Yes. This, again, is the entire fucking point of it.

This is not a hard concept. It's not even really racist beyond x race votes a certain way.

>>34322563
>>34322596
>Hurr source bad durr
>whataboutism

>>34322655
>both sides commit gerrymandering
>THAT'S WHATABOUTISM.

Kek, unbelievable.

>>34321512

What a fucking idiot holy shit.

>>34322670
It's not relevant to the debate. It's saying "well, it's OK because the other side does it."

>>34322415
>First off, if your first choice is guns you fucked up.
I am talking about this particular incident, with extremely short range between the aircraft go look at the video posted.
>Second off a dive target presents a bigger cross section and you gain energy than rather than lose it in a climb target. Still superior.
Once again, talking about this particular incident.
Dive at target from 100m behind, oops why is there now a F-16 wing lodged in my canopy?

>>34322705
No, I'm not saying it's OK.

I'm saying it's Ubiquitous. Realistically it's completely unsolvable without a hard and fast mathematical way to do it and instituted via constitutional amendment.

Arguementivily, you can't call Republicans racist for gerrymandering without calling democrats racist for gerrymandering.

>>34322716
Derp clicking the eight post is hard

>>34322431
>>34322716

>>34320289
He's just posturing so the media will stfu about his ties to Russia.

>>34322722
You can if it's clearly being done to isolate a specific race that votes against you.

>>34321709
>Yeah, there's a lot of Somalis here
>riddled with diseases that don't exist in the usa anymore
The sole cause of old diseases coming back (extinct in usa for decades) and why the anti vaccine thing is even an issue. a bunch of useless people on the dole with incompatible culture.

>>34322733
Its still racist if you are also trying to isolate a group for you. You are trying to either artificially their influence one way or another based on their ethnicity.

>>34320158
LMAO and this is what OP calls "buzzing" "Maverick shit"

>>34322733
Both sides did it to different racial groups to achieve the same respective goal.

How is one racist and the other not?

>>34320158
I'm the Su-27 pilot who can't return to neutral roll without oscillating after brandishing some snakes

>>34322776
On a scale from "baby's first Shirley temple" to "21st birthday" how drunk were you?

>>34322216
>>34322239
couple of purple drank people up in here. blacks are the most privileged class in the usa next to women. economic dead zones in cities is a laugh. major metro areas are the only areas getting subsidized by the rest of america in the wealth redistribution. all the production and resources from middle america goes into these cities.

i would suggest you both read some of thomas sowell's work and perhaps an intro to economics such as henry hazlitt. you can find both on amazon or from a torrent site if you're that poor which one might assume from your points of view.

>>34320158
>>34322757
>F-16
Flying straight and level, at a reasonable distance, no provocative action.
>Su-27
Push way too close to F-16, have to wave off or risk slamming into it, overcompensate and wiggling around like a drunk earthworm that someone sprinkled salt on.

Maybe the Su-27 pilot really was drunk?

>>34321765
>>34321854
>denying the failure and insanity of multiculturalism

If putting my race first is wrong, then I don't want to be right. I live in the Jew York metro area and grew up this surrounded by this shit. If my fellow American trash want to fuck themselves over, that's one thing, but keep garbage American influence out of Eurasia.

>>34320508
You know it's funny how Russia has a comparable economy to a single us state

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>>34320123
Don't be so mean. They haven't perfected FBW yet

>>34322792
>blacks are the most privileged class in the usa next to women

I'm not enough of a /po/tard to unironically say this anywhere. Do you really believe this or does American history begin in 1966 for you?

>>34322526
>>That moment when you're chilling in chicago, in the largest commercial data center in the world, with more fiber and copper in it than small nations have.
If you're talking about 350 E Cermak I used to work there and commute on the El. The building on the other side of the street with a connecting skybridge was a run-down, needle-filled, rat-infested nightmare as recently as 2015, and I would routinely hear gunfire when walking to or from the red line at night.

So yeah, much of Chicago is crumbling.

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>>34322751
How about just sending blacks back to Africa? The fact that our foolish ancestors didn't start this process the moment peace was signed at Appomattox is by far the biggest mistake this fucking country ever made.

>>34320158
Completely fine. This board has moved into full anti-Russian posting of any sort, not that it matters to me so I guess I'll just enjoy the show.

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>>34322886
>arbitrary 1966 date
you're making assumptions again. anyways if you actually are interested into things hit your local library. you can generally checkout books via overdrive as well on your phone or tablet too.

Whatever happened to the notion of America NOT getting involved in affairs outside of the America's? We seemed to have only harmed our ancestral lands whether European or Asian American. A Chinese American putting loyalty to America over China and half million years of Chinese genealogy, makes me shake my head.

>>34320508
Now go take a look at old Soviet industrial cities in Russia.
9/10 of them are in worse condition then that.

>>34322942
>Whatever happened to the notion of America NOT getting involved in affairs outside of the America's?
Literally every time we try that some asshole German tries to take over the world.

>>34322942
>>34322942
>Whatever happened to the notion of America NOT getting involved in affairs outside of the America's?

Two world wars.

>>34322958
Except that literally never happened.

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>>34321989
It's funny that when the far right does act, you fucking fags cry about us ignoring the "rule of law" and so and so forth. Anders was someone who had an extremely promising life ahead of him yet chose to sacrifice that for the betterment of his people by eliminating or at least destroying the lives of leftist scum.

>>34322942
>Whatever happened to the notion of America NOT getting involved in affairs outside of the America's?

That ended literally 100 years ago.

>>34322980
He delayed the rights rise to power and led to a leftist resurgence because he killed a bunch of kids.

He literally held back his cause.

>>34322965
>WWII never happened

Oh, ok.

>>34322995
>tries to take over the world

>>34322738
You mean because a bunch of upper-middle class white anti-vaxxers went into the community and reduced their vaccination rates by spreading bullshit?

The same kind of people who caused a resurgence of those same diseases among white children elsewhere?

>>34322915
>Doesn't know that that's how Liberia was founded

>>34322738
Antivax is always an issue.
Not all people get immunized by vaccines. But they are protected by herd immunity (enough people have immunity for shit to not spread)

>>34322365
Also should be added that USAF F-16s missed the incremental additions that allowed CFTs.

>>34320104
>wait for his trip back
>send up like 3 armed F22s instead
>wait for them to try the drunk flying bullshit
>instead, F22s flash their shit
>wait for russkies to fuck off as per usual

>>34323012
Normally. Unless you have asshole anti-vaxxers go into a community not prepared to dismiss their bullshit.

>>34320104
Lets be real, the viper would win against the flanker, given the flanker is a piece of flying trash.

>>34321512
you're an idiot

>>34320104
>sickle and hammer.

Guess what vanik?

Not so much anymore. You are in a warsaw pact with yourself.

>>34323065
I imagine that seeing 3 F-22 from so close would make them shit their collective pants

>>34321682
I live an hour from Columbus and Cbus is one of the best cities in the nation, idk why people act like Ohio is dead. Columbus is way better than international cities like NYC or Chicago (unless you literally live a block from Times Square maybe). Columbus is gentrified now, Cincy is starting to, and the Beavercreek-Fairborne area is still building around WPAFB nicely. Cleveland is shit though. But the housing market has recovered nicely, and building is big right now.

>>34322980
>betterment of his people by eliminating or at least destroying the lives of leftist scum.
By killing children?
To say nothing of the fact that far-right groups have been getting BTFO in elections left and right (heh).

>>34323497
Yes, by killing children. This hang-up the west has against exterminating our enemies when they're young and weak has got to go.

>>34323497
Yeah, Brexit and Trump were wake-up calls on the dangers of electoral passivity.

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>>34323560
Fucking not loading images...

>>34323497
Yes, by killing future stalins.
And far-right groups "getting BTFO" does not change the fact women/children can still walk the streets of Norway without being raped or murdered. Not so for the country right next to Norway.
Hmm...almost like the federal government not engaging in another Ruby Ridge since that guy Timmy showed them what a single determined citizen can do.

>>34323724
>All this angry bullshit

>>34323575
>I don't like what someone says so I'll just call him edgy XD
>>>/2008/

>>34322942

...The F-16 in the video is Polish, not American. One country which has every reason to keep an eye on Russia.

>>34323560
>Yes, by killing children. This hang-up the west has against exterminating our enemies when they're young and weak has got to go.
Have fun fighting your never ending war, assuming another group doesn't try and stop you.

>Yes, by killing future stalins.
What about killing future Nazis?

>fact women/children can still walk the streets of Norway
Have you even been there?
Honest question here: What do you think life is like in Stockholm?

>>34323836
last part of >>34323836
meant for >>34323724

>>34322942
The end of WW2 happened.

>>34323770
>calling for the murder of children
>Not edgy

>>34323836
>Have fun fighting your never ending war, assuming another group doesn't try and stop you.
You have it backwards. The "never ending war" happens because we are unwilling to commit genocide, not unable.

>>34324012
Reminder that the Romans achieved peace and dominance by letting the conquered keep their religions and culture, by improving things without destroying the conquered.

>>34324012
>You have it backwards. The "never ending war" happens because we are unwilling to commit genocide, not unable.
You're right actually, the Philippines is now completely free of any and all Islamic interference because of what the US did in the early 20th Century. The same goes for Poland and Germany in the 40s and the too numerous to count wars in Africa. Also Yugoslavia says hello, as does the Russian annexation of Chechnya in the 20s.

>>34321580
It's the nicest big city in the county and possibly the world. It is for certain nicer than any million+ city anywhere in the former USSR.

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>>34323836
>muh nazis
While conveniently ignoring over 100 million people murdered & starved to death because of communism.
Pic is what I think is going on in Stockholm. And that's beside all the raping...sorry I meant sexual misunderstanding.

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>Russians buzzing NATO planes
XAXAXA HATO WE TROLL U xDDD
>the tables are turned
OMG THIS IS SO IRRESPONSIBLE GODDAMN COWBOY I REPORT U

Like clockwork.

>>34324057
>Carthago delenda est

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>>34324155
Wow, one city state just destroyed versus all this that bent the knee.

>>34324100
>While conveniently ignoring over 100 million people murdered & starved to death because of communism.
Certainly not, but let's not forget Nazi Germany, Spain, Portugal or South Africa.

Link related is what I think is going on in the US:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charleston_church_shooting

>>34324202
Not to mention it was after they (Carthage) started the war up again.
>yfw Rome has a peace lasting for longer than the US has been a country because of a tolerant, multicultural attitude

>>34324240
Multiculturalism killed Rome when the balance shifted.

>>34324294
Lolno, it was the Germanic tribes finally getting sick of fighting them sacking Rome.

>>34324312
>being this wrong

>>34324356
>The historical facts don't back up my Stormfront indoctrination, so I'll double down!

>>34324365
Germanic tribes were only able to sack Rome at all because multiculturalism had weakened the empire, rotting it from the inside out. They invaded instead of assimilating, much like Islam is doing to Europe now.

>>34324312
>>34324365
You are retarded, open a history book for once in your life and actually read about the state the Roman Empire was in. Assuming you can get over your "nuh uh my evil Germans" sentiment.

>>34324393
>>34324457
>muh multiculti killed Rome
Not the increasing hubris and the failures of the ruling class to give a shit?

MЫ ЛЮБЛЮ MOГУT БЫTЬ ПOCMOTPETЬ, ЧTO TЫ CДEЛAETE, ЧTO OH БЫЛO B ПOЗИЦИИ, CДEЛAЙTE!

>>34322915
Lincoln was gonna donit, but he got knocked off.

>>34324393
Pretty bad comparison though my man. Rome already invaded Germanic territories, Muslims aren't European in the first place. Germanic regions under Roman control certainly improved.

>>34324477
Never said anything about multiculturalism though it may have been one of MANY reason, probably not a primary one, as to why the Roman Empire was weak enough. Mostly shitty economy and huge corruption.

>>34324226
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charleston_church_shooting
1995, 2015, 1 (one) perpetrator
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Rinkeby_riots
2017, multiple perps, all belonging to the same religion of peace.
Hmm...

>>34324638
>3 injuries
wow
Hmm...

>>34320158
lol this is like the plane version of that one gif with Sean Astin and the other guy cockblocking him

>>34324893
>whites being more efficient
Hmm...

>>34320351
He did that on purpose idiot

NATO had insider knowledge about the nature of the flight and it's cargo. It was really nice of the F-16 to turn on those blinking lights though = polite, friendly intercept and totally OSHA compliant. Have a nice day.

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>>34320158
Eh,, look at muh khuy yankee!
CHEEKI BREEKI!

>>34320104
Does the SU-27 have a name like the Eagle or Falcon?

>>34326760
The Flanker with a Wanker

>>34326782
Like because flanking maneuvers?

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>F-16 intercepts a plane flying close to NATO airspace.
>Maintains distance, no wacky maneuvers.
>HOLY SHIT GUIZ WOW SUCH A PROVOCATION
When you see F-16s flying directly above the masts of Russian destroyers, you call me.

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>>34326853

like because NATO codenames all russian fighter using a name beginning with F and they ran out of all the cool names already

the Mig-15 was nicknamed Fagot despie having nothing to do with Gay Man-Meat Loving Fascists

>>34326958
Is Flanker even a Russian word?

>>34327042
Why would a NATO codename be russian to begin with?

>>34327086
DO THE RUSSIAN NAME IT PLANE?

>>34322258
Blacks vote consistently for gibmedats, so they can get fucked for all I care.

Poor white people shouldn't be allowed to vote either.

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>>34320158
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>>34320104
I wonder if the Polish pilot felt any irony in the situation, considering what the Russians did to his own defense minister and half his government.

>>34320104
>tl;dr cocky viper hotshot tries to put the chill in a high-ranking vatnik and promptly gets told to cut the maverick shit or prepare to throw down with the sickle and hammer.
that should be in every news article which describes this story.

>waaaah waaaahhh the russians are mean and doing unprofessional air manuevers.
>we flew abrest their passenger jet because of standard operating procedure :DDDDD
sure would be nice if governments and their hired killers would act like adults

>>34329597
>NATO plane follows procedure
>Vodka SU-27 pilot is so vodka can't even keep his plane level and has to back off after waggling too hard to "show off his weapons"
>NATO plane continues to follow procedure and the man filming has to play with his zoom to make it look like the NATO plane is fucking off
>Vatniks bitch and moan when they do the same damn thing all the time

Fuckin weenie

Didn't even read the thread

>>34323633
They can't afford to continue at their current rate now. If sanctions aren't lifted and gas prices don't rise Russia will reach total economic collapse within five years.

>>34329642
>NATO bitch and moan all the time
>Russians isn't allowed to bitch and moan

Racist much

>>34329690
Don't dish it out if you can't take it

>>34320417
>how the fuck does aerodynamic lift work?

>>34326924
but but
as per /k/
>russians are drunk when flying
>showing that your aircraft is armed is ERRATIC FLYING
>maintaining a safe distance behind the f16 and in formation with the civilian plane
HAHA RUSKIES DONT KNOW HOW TO FLY
>sending a su27 to photobomb on a formation of 11 us planes
buwaaaaaaaaa mhu russia is flying dangerously
pentagon
>RUSSIAN JET FLYING 5 FT OF A US PLANE
5 ft.... 5 FT 5 freaking foot do they even know what 5 ft is when you are in a su27 vs a 707?

/k/ is literally /r/worldnews

>>34329661
sure they cant afterall who is russia just a third world country right? right...
meanwhile on the real world when real men actually knows what they are talking about
http://www.worldbank.org/en/country/russia/publication/rer
even with the most tighest sanctions russia economy is rising
but you know dont let the facts brainwash you

>>34329791
>even with the most tighest sanctions russia economy is rising
I guess, it's struggling to get back to a place from before Ukraine. Putin really is his own worst enemy.

>>34329801
this report was made before the price increase of the opec..
russia is doing just fine nowdays with a growth of 2.1% unlike the 3.5% from 10-12
so unless something crazy happenes again that will be worst than 2014 then no they have already surpassed their own level from 2014

>>34329841
>russia is doing just fine nowdays with a growth of 2.1% unlike the 3.5% from 10-12
ruble alone lost that percentage in one week, must be because russia is doing so "fine"

>>34329993
i dont think you know much about economics eh
http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=USD&to=RUB&view=1M

>>34320123
> pentagon buzzes defense minister
> THE RUSSIAN INTERCEPT WAS UNSAFE
jesus christi, americucks

>>34320158
lmfao natocucks btfo

>>34329642
> 2017
> /nu-k/ filled with the remnants of cockhole proofposters and various brainwashed imbeciles after the failed ukrainian revolution
> "pilot has to back off after waggling too hard"
PLEASE fuck off back to ruddit

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>>34330306
>Not understanding physics
>Thinking /k/ was ever better than this
>Everyone who does not hold my position is dumb
>"y-you're stupid! You gotta be f-from reddit! Get off m-muh /k/!"

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>>34329780
>>showing that your aircraft is armed is ERRATIC FLYING

come on little Yura not even the beets you are getting paid to post here can make you believe this strawman

it isn't the wing rocking that people are mocking it's his inability to recover from the wing rocking that makes his flying "erratic"(I would have said incompetent)

>>34323560
>killing children
>not literally nigger tier
Pick one and only one, mr. oogabooga.

>>34330550
a plane goes back to get out of the turbulence area of another aircraft?

holy fuck RUSSIANS ARE DRUNK!
cant imagine the shit nato would have said if the su27 went in front and caused the f16 to wake like a fucking helictopter dick

>>34320104
cnn: Russia defense ministers plane tries to attack NATO F-16 over Baltic

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Fuck, the SUs are so beautiful.
I want one.

>>34330137
>i dont think you know much about economics eh
The Irony.
You looked at the graph and thought, graph goes up, so it must be getting better, right? It is the other way round.
Last 7 days
57.6->59.8 RB/US
Meaning you would get about 3,8% more ruble per one dollar within just this week.

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>>34324982
>whites being more efficient
Nope, Saudis still have the record.

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>>34330568
>a plane goes back to get out of the turbulence area of another aircraft?

you pointing out that the Su-27 went up the F-16's ass like it was a russian army conscript in a failed to intimidate the polish pilot only to end up having to GTFO due to jet wash doesn't exactly help make the russian pilot look less incompetent

if he was at risk due to jet wash why did he wait until half-way through his wiggly-wings act before drifting back in a barely controlled looking manner akin to someone with an innner-ear infection trying to hover in a helicopter

>>34321834
>Us gdp growing, russian gdp falling

Remind me how the darkies are obliterating the country again?