Ungucking American Made AKs

*Unfucking
Wew

>>34314837
They need better heat treating and they need to have the same features as original European AKs.
Cleaning rods and kits.
Painted finishes.
Chromed barrels.
The works. And at least make an attempt to not have that ugly ass blonde wood bullshit.

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>>34314837
Russians don't make ARFufteens so why does US make AKfurtyseben

>>34314897
I know you're trolling but it saddens me that people like this actually exist.

>>34314837
>how come shit hole combloc countries can make some of the best AKs around, yet one of the foremost manufacturing giants in the world can't?
because our domestic firearm industry is pants-on-head retarded when it comes to producing quality at a competitive price. They're prone to cutting corners to increase profit, and they've become complacent due to the fact that companies like Norinco are banned from selling their wares here. This allows them to fuck consumers in the ass.

it's worth noting that the generally-high quality of Eastern European AKs is largely due to decades of producing rifles to uniform state standards. The US's arms industry is different in structure and most companies have no similar relevant experience.

they need to build like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHbbOZny9D0

>>34314897

Molot produces AR-15's.

>>34314897
THIS

u wont commie gun u go lives in commie country you piece of shits

>>34314837
It boggles my mind people cant fathom labor costs in a 3rd world country versus the most advanced western civilization

Lets break it down:

>Ak parts have to be hand fitted

American labor isnt cheap, so this process is not conducive to an inexpensive product.

>engineers
They are arrogant. They will try and re-invent the wheel for something that already has set effective processes
EX: DDI extractors, early DDI magwell being entirely wrong for anything but p-mags, PSA double cut handguard retainer slot

>cast parts

Low quality castings with bad heat treat to meet a price point in the market. Century has known shitty business practices so this is no surprise

Americans are use to things being drop fit. Because of the way things in comblock countries almost everything will 1) be loose fit or 2) will need to be fitted. If you have taken the time to look at the machining marks, and "quality" on AK parts you will see very little concern is given to surface finish and in turn tolerance range the part is made to.
DDI got around this by using well made cast polish parts and started CNC'ing their own trunnions. This allowed them to make the parts have tighter specs and probably made parts hot swapable.
Yes, their extractors failed, but all their other parts were successful and well made

>>34314897
They do, and they have Bushmaster M4s from Georgia and VAR Carbines.

>>34314837
>how come shit hole combloc countries can make some of the best AKs around, yet one of the foremost manufacturing giants in the world can't?

It's all part of a conspiracy to keep the AR as the dominant rifle in the country.

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>>34314881
>Mfw import ban

>>34314837
>how can American made AKs be improved?

Look at what the Russians and Bulgarians are doing. Look at what the Chinese used to do. Do exactly that.

It's not that hard to figure out guys, jesus fuck.

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>>34314837
I don't think of craftsmanship when I think of any modern produced gun in the United States. Cheap materials and horrible build quality compared to the past when gun makers took pride in their work.

>>34315091
>American labor isnt cheap

You would think that the American firearms manufacturing industry could come together and figure out how to make quality AK production more efficient but apparently that's fucking wrong and LET'S ALL CHURN OUT OUR OWN AR15 is the future.

>>34314837
Pardon my ignorance but when did veprs get banned?

>>34315869
literally today

>>34314881
Sanctions aren't exactly the same as an import ban per se

>>34315667
AR rifles, custom 1911s, other boutique guns.

America makes the same quality of guns, you just have to pay for it.

>>34315692
>You would think that the American firearms manufacturing industry could come together and figure out how to make quality AK production more efficient but apparently that's fucking wrong and LET'S ALL CHURN OUT OUR OWN AR15 is the future.

no, everyone knows how to make quality ak, its just you
its stamping the least cost efficient way to manufacture if you are doing limited production runs

>>34315667

>AK
>Craftsmanship

And honestly LMT has finer craftsmanship than say, H&K

>>34315091
I've heard that they will start producing 74s. Any progress on that?

Otherwise are there still any stamped 74s on the market apart from overpriced SGLs and polish tantals? Rip saiga

>>34315901
FUUUUck.. Where can I look this up or read up on it?

>>34314837
Why the sanctions?
Who's responsible?
Is trump himself involved?

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>>34314837
>mfw I bought an AR before an AK, and still don't have an AK
>mfw will have to pay retard-tier "PRE-BAN" prices

Fuuuuuuuuucccccccckkkkkkk

>>34315972
>he's never held an OG Soviet AK
"AK" and "craftsmanship" are only mutually exclusive when the rifle is made in the US.

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>>34314881
>Mfw is >>34316077
>Mfw someone else had the exact same reaction as me

>>34316010
Treasury Dept decided to fuck us over a barrel because Trump decided it's ok to invade sovereign air space, shoot down the air craft of said sovereign state and then has the gall to claim Russia is the aggressor when they say coalition planes are now legit targets.

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>>34314881
>tfw the us wants to ban your raifu
>tfw the ATF aids your house and deports her

would it be easier for an existing AR maker to do stamped or milled AKs?

Imagine, Daniel Defense AKs.

>>34317557
>Daniel Defense
Anon we're talking about making GOOD American made AKs

>>34317564
S&W AKs?

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>>34316077
Saaaame. Actually decided to go AR before AK about a month ago and ordered the parts just two weeks ago.

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>>34314881

>>34315972
Did I say an Ak has craftsmanship? Learn to read you inbred shit.

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>>34314881

buy American, cuck

What's wrong with bulgarian arsenal's or wasr 10s?
Much better than american alternatives

>>34318069
Aresenal stopped importing

>>34314966
>"precision drilling"
>measuring to tenths
>doesn't center drill or even center punch
>might as well be using a hand drill

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>>34314954

This.

In one end you have government/military supported or owned companies making AK series rifles for the military with decades of experience.

And in the other end it's private companies making AK clones and profit in the civilian market.

What amazes me is why OP does not realize this? Why don't people think about the whole manufacturing chain and just see the product and fill in the blanks with their imagination which usually results in "why ALL AMERICANS can't and why ALL RUSSIANS can...something something"?

>>34318069
Overpriced as shit

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>>34314881

I wish Zastava would just put their knowledge towards building a proper AKM, instead of the M70-ish N-PAP

Hell, even if they stuck to the N-PAP design and just changed it to a Russian side rail, stock, and foregrip - it'd still sell like hotcakes - 99% of buyers won't give a fuck about the finer points of AK47 vs AKM barrel and etc.

Either that, or those dirty Romanians actually unfucking their QC finally and adding some god damn dimples.

>>34314837
I thought the bill for sanctions got caught up in the House?

>>34318384
thats for more sanctions on top of the molot ban, more sanctions are coming but are currently stalled in the house.

ammo could be next.

>>34318395
Pls no

Are Sam-7 or any arsenal rifles going to be affected?

>>34316077
>Mfw bought an AK when saigas were $315
>Mfw planning on buying an AR now that they're like $400
>Mfw ordered some parts that never arrived and said screw it because it's actually a waste of time to get a 5.56 baby gun when I already have a 7.62
>Still want to build a .308 AR but they aren't as cheap

What gives? A .308 AR should cost as much as a 5.56

>>34314837
I'm not too much of an AKfag, but from what I can tell, the biggest issues with American AKs are that they use cast parts for critical shit like the BCG and trunnions.

if we can fix this issue, American AKs could be good.

>>34319657
No

>>34319801
>a 308 AR should cost as much as a 5.56
No, no they shouldn't.

>>34315972
>made on a CNC machine
>craftsmanship
>craftsman
>man

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>>34317576
Anon that sounds like a horrible idea.

>>34314837
>Not buying an arsenal instead
0/10 are you even trying

>>34322472
Considering Arsenal isn't imprlorting anything other than their 107 fixed stock model right now they aren't much of an option you meme spouting retard.

>Not already having bought your aks years ago
.... children please.

>>34322691
Stop reminding me
>>34322678
The 107-11 is still very viable, there's nothing wrong with it.

>>34320440
Thunder tactical $520 atfter summer discount!
Kys fag

How much did AKs cost to produce when they first entered production? Everyone thinks they're cheap but I'm starting to think that's just because the Soviets were commies and didn't have to pay their workers and shit as well they made a fuck ton of them and gave them away to anyone that claimed to hate the US.
If the US made the exact same rifle would they cost same?

>>34314862
Here's the problem:

It isn't going to be cheap

And a lot of the hype/myth/etc around the AK is that they HAVE to be cheap, or else you turn a lot of people off from it. The AK's own reputation makes it very hard for smaller or new companies to make good parts on the cheap. And big domestic companies are going to spend $$$ on tooling and shit if they want to get into the game, which will still transfer over to ultimate costs.

>>34317564
Elaborate

>>34323438
Unless you don't want a 7.62 AK

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>>34316124
Do you have an extra chromosome? I never said an ak has craftsmanship. Learn to read you retard.

>>34314837
The problem is that AK-making isnt easy for small companies. It is very capital-intensive.

AKs were cheap because the Warsaw pact nations made them by the boat-load, they sold off much of their stockpiles, and new ones remain cheap due to the low labor costs and pre-existing capital.

When the state is willing to throw you free capital machinery and an old factory, production gets VERY cheap.

in contrast, an AR15 polymer lower is cheaper and easy to make. Polymer, simply put, is to modern manufacturing what steam engines and the spinning jenny were to textiles. It has weaknesses, but a lot of strengths.

unfortunately, we will never see AKs as cheap as bargain-bin ARs in the US again barring a sudden revearsal of Chinese/russian/DPRK/Khyber Pass/African warlord import bans, and AKs being shipped over and dumped into our market at a feverish rate when every 3rd world nation and Asian manufacturer realizes that Americans will spend the equivalent of $3,000 in their currency for a beat up old AK.