Design a post-apocalyptic standard arm

>>34314374
AR-15

>be creative
We're talking about /k/.

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>>34314374
Let's be honest these will still be floating around fucking everywhere

>>34314389
>ease of manufacturing
>AR15
you tried

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>>34314374
I imagine a lot of stuff like this would be floating around

>>34314374
AR15

>>34314399
2017
there's too many cnc machines that can crank out simple ar15 parts and the information to maintain/operate then is too common. the ar15 will live on. If we're still rubbing stick together then we'll use black powder guns. soo yeah. If we have an sembelance of a society together we'll RAPIDLY find the best "old" manufacturing techniques and equipment. this ain't 40k, ancient tech won't scare people. it's not a religion. it's manufacturing, it's a science and a lot of people do it. the knowledge to do so won't be lost.

>>34314374
>rebuilding into small, tribe-like city-states with armies, farmers, and.

Meant to say "their own legal system"

>>34314389
Good luck machining a tight-tolerance block of aluminum with at best some hand tools and shitty old milling tools manned by illiterate desert dwellers

>>34314420
these guns were designed with the thought of if someone had no gun design knowledge then what would they make. the correct answer is crossbows and bombs. guns take a bit much for the rando idiot to cobble some taurus grade guns together.

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>>34314475
it was a bad picture to use as reference, but I do still think pipe guns would exist
Basically this but with a striker and actual bullets

>>34314374
It depends on how advanced ammo is there. If they can make smokeless, then maybe blowback SMGs. If not, then single shot rifles (rolling/falling blocks, etc.) and/or muskets are what they'd use. Lever actions would be available but only for the wealthy, and specially trained groups.

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>>34314399
>Hundreds of companies shitting out AR's like they just ate at a tacticool taco bell
>Machining absolutely fucking everywhere
>AR's are hard to make
It would be harder to make a bit of plastic than it would be to make all the metal parts of an AR in the post apocalyptic world, we NCR now.

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>>34314808
>Hmm precision machining steel is next to impossible in a post apocalypse, how do I argue this
>Fuck it let's use the one material more difficult to make parts with as an argument
Oh look the type of gun they'd actually consider using

>>34314374
Some kind of single-shot made in an era before precision machining was a thing. Martini-Henry, Remington Rolling Block, etc.

Ammo production likely isn't going to support every man with a mag fed auto/semi auto and as other anons have said, in the scenario the OP brings up, how much precision machining knowledge would there likely be? How much equipment in useable condition? How many can be made to run on alternative power supplies like a jackshaft run off a stream?

There may be lots of CNC machines, or other production shop tools now but I don't see a lot of them being anything usable after 300 years in abandoned buildings.

And if you weren't making parts for the modern guns you had before they totally wore out, you sure ain't making something complicated from scratch.

>>34315068
The sten is a really good choice

Depending on how primitive we are talking though, I'd go with jezzails with a standard caliber of .50 or .75

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>>34314374 .30 carbine pistol made from scrap metal.

>>34316332
For the masses sure, but I think a larger more organized military force (think NCR in Fallout) could field repeaters of some sort.

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>>34314374
this kind of shit will be EVERYWHERE im sure.Aanybody worth their own salt can reload spent brass with matches and a lead ball for at least a couple more uses before the brass splits or some shit.

>>34315068
>Hmm precision machining steel is next to impossible in a post apocalypse, how do I argue this
U wot m8? Anybody with half a brain in machine tooling and access to some sort of power source and a mill and lathe can make AR parts, or even easier yet....AK parts. But i do agree with you. Sten variants in various calibers would likely be the norm.

>>34314374
>300 years after a nuclear holocaust

if nukes and radiation and starvation kill most people instead of prolonged conventional wars, there should be enough guns and ammo to around to not necessitate DIY abominations being made. if I'd have to make something though it would be a box magazine fed 30 carbine black powder pump action rifle. or just a fucking AK loaded with BP. there is no reason you cant force the AK action by hand when it's dirty.

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>>34317031
Did some one say .30 carbine?

recoil operated rifle. so you can use blackpowder.

>>34317064
so you'd weld the gas port on an AK shut and use a heavier spring?

>>34314374
I do not know with what weapons WWIII will be fought with, but WWIV will be fought with hi-points.

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Was there really ever any question?

>>34316988
>A mill and a lathe
And there's your problem.

>>34314374
Smoothbore muskets fed with blackpowder made from an aged mixture of feces/urine rendered for nitrate salts and charcoal.

>>34315068
> A Sten-style battle rifle, firing 7.62×51mm with crude wood furniture, an unholy union of STEN and FAL

F U N D I T N O W

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>>34317735
so basically the .308 stirling but with wood

>>34317735
>Sten-style
What exactly is Sten like about a gas operated tilting bolt battle rifle? If you're going to have internals that fancy you don't want such a crude reciever to house them in.

>>34317795
If it was side-loaded, I'd nut hard. As it is, I'm having some very sexual thoughts right now

>>34317808
The crude looking construction, basically

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>>34314374
Why was New Vegas so much better?

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>>34317820
Sounds more like a union of the AR18 and the FAL then

>>34317844
But
> muh sideloading
> muh open bolt
> muh visible spring
> muh obviously wartime construction

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>>34317080
that won't work. because the bolt is locked into the breech until the bolt carrier cams the bolt open.

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>>34317864
>Make it open bolt
>Move magwell to side
>Cut corners finishing it, if you've ever seen a Volkssturm rifle you'd know that rushing anything gives it that crude look
Done

A bolt action with simple dimensions. Probably a mix between mosin and Mauser actions

>>34318041
>Bolt action
Literally why, they're way too hard to manufacture

>>34317628
they dont jsut go away. any good mill like a bridgeport will be around for a very long time. theres machines in peoples garages from the 30s that get used with HSS tooling pretty regularly. and power isnt hard to figure out if your not dumb. Which is likely because well, the person in question is a machinist in this argument.

>>34317844
That's a SAR-80, which is a Singaporean AR-18 clone.

>>34318048
Youre rite and wrong. simple bolts are pretty easy but the magazine is complicated. at which point a break action hammer fired weapon may as well suffice.

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I know that it sucks but I so badly want one.
Therefore it gets my vote.

>>34317837
>>34314374
When will we get a fallout that does cities like the concept art? 4 had it partway down but none of the buildings were occupied. Diamond City had like 40 people max and it was supposedly the biggest town in the commonwealth. I wish New Vegas and Freeside felt like actual cities and had sprawling ruins around them rather than three blocks of casinos, three blocks of run down apartment type buildings, and then endless desert waste around it. Obsidian pls do another fallout game and save us from todd howard.

>>34314374

Watching the Forgotten Weapons videos on the Winchester Lever Action made me appreciate how elegantly simple it was.

With the exception of the chamber and bolt, you could basically stamp the entire thing. Even the action. That'd be cheap and accessible.

Box magazines are hard without good springs and existing designs.

>>34314751
>Lever actions would be available but only for the wealthy, and specially trained groups.
Why?

>>34317317
Why don't Medusa style drop in replacement cylinders exist for other revolvers?

Gah I just want one for my rhino or my S&W.

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>>34314374
what about a revolving rifle chambered in 7.62x39 or .223

>easy to make, few machined parts
>decent capacity, maybe 10 or so
>don't have to worry about gas or recoil systems

>>34320380
Lever guns are just as easy to make and less likely to injure you.

I wonder how bad cylinder gap burns are with a rifle cartridge?

>>34314399
if you cut corners on quality, you could make everything on the rifle except the barrel by investment casting steel and aluminium.

>>34317628
you can make a lathe with cast aluminium.

>>34320510
Gingery?

>>34320494
So why don't we already?

>>34320553
1) we do with some parts, like cast receivers.

2) you could do it with the steel components too, but the rifle would have a shorter lifespan and be less functional.

>>34314399
What's not easy about manufacturing an AR-15 for an even modestly equipped machine shop?

>>34318345
>Why?
Cost.

>>34320380
Cylinder gap would be nasty, and more importantly bottlenecked rounds don't work with revolvers

>>34320640
Read the above section. You could stamp basically every part of a lever action. They'd be comparable to the block rifles you suggested and far superior.

>>34320571
Could you cast the bolt and locking lugs or would those need to be machined?

>Guns 300 years after nukes?
Fuck if I know, cause the world would be back to normal after 30 years.

>>34321745
You could cast the bolt, yes. You'd probably not want to, though. It would be difficult to get right, even today.

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>>34317735
>>34317795
Someone designed this for Ashlands. Sounds like it would fit with what you're looking for.

>>34318326
Blame Bethesda for their shitty engine that craps itself when more than 12 people are on the screen at any time

>>34314374
TKB-517 aka lever delayed AK

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5.56 straight blowback. Because fuck it.

>>34314399
The AR-15 is, as far as rifles of similar capabilities go, relatively simple to make. They were designed to be shat out by the millions on 1950s era manual equipment.

They are literally easier (and hence, cheaper) to manufacture than fucking stamped reciever AKM pattern rifles. AKM trunnions alone have about as much machining in them as a forged AR's entire receiver, and they're steel.

The biggest obstacle would be the aluminum forgings. Those are made using relatively uncommon, expensive machines. Economies of scale make it dirt cheap to manufacture in quantity, but if forgings can't be had, other techniques will need to be used, like casting (shitty), or milling (expensive).

If you want to go simpler than an AR, you need to look at some shit like the Leader T2.

But really, as per OP,
>>34316157
probably has the right idea.

Best to invest in really nice bayonets, because they'll be getting a lot of use.

>>34315068
My money is on STENs and M3 Grease-gun style tube-guns in low-pressure rounds. Simple to make, minimal resources.

STEN-style tube receiver with a lever delayed action similar to the FAMAS design. That way, it can handle rifle cartridges easy enough.

I've actually had the idea for a while, for a garage assaulty gun. The release for the magazine fits into a cutout just behind the magwell and two levers from the bolt hook in around it on the inside of the receiver.

Have some sweet folding stock action like on those compact Sterlings, and there you go!

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>>34321925
Original designer here, it would work but it's worth noting that the AR-18/Sterling bastard is 5.56x45 instead of 7.62x51mm.

Have a STEN clone for your troubles.

>>34323409
>>34326737
>Im-fucking-plying you could machine a functional high strength lever for said action in a nuclear apocalypse
Seriously, automatics would be a pipe dream, aside from maybe straight blowbacks

>>34315068
>Full auto only
>A good idea post-apoc
Logistics, logistics, logistics.

A gun is useless without ammunition and a semi-auto rifle eats a lot less then a full auto SMG. The extra ease of manufacturing is really not worth it given how difficult resupply would be after the transportation infrastructure is destroyed.

>>34326930
>Full auto only
Wrong.

>>34326817
Just because you're a brainlet, doesn't mean everyone is.

After 300 years, I'd expect industrial processes would be reestablished up to at least a WW1 standard. A lot of the knowledge would be retained, it just needs to be reproduced, not reinvented.

The major limiting factors would be lack of economies of scale, and lack of resources that are relatively specific to certain regions, but I'm sure we'd be trading cinnabar ore in no time.

>>34327046
>He didn't read the OP
Sorry bud but I don't think warring factions are going to be very advanced

>>34324113
>They are literally easier (and hence, cheaper) to manufacture than fucking stamped reciever AKM pattern rifles

I don't think so. the AR barrel extension and bolt locking lugs are tough shit to make. And once you have your production line set up for an AK, it's pretty easy to make them. OFC, if you are cold drawing them from unknown sheet metal you may not like the results....

>>34327090
>He didn't read the OP
>warring factions
OP didn't mention warring factions, he just said city states.

Some of the greatest technological leaps were also during times of war.

Try to be wrong less.