During every conflict we learn something >During Desert Storm

>>34312681
That America can't into soft or hard power projection when its civilian government decides it doesn't want to

Conflict and desperation can create true feats of engineering.

This was probably known before, but fancy equipment doesn't help if you dont have the skills or the will to use it. See iraqi army with abrams and the like

>>34312681
>>During Afghanistan we learned that some wars are nearly impossible to win
It's hilarious that we didn't even have to go into afghanistan, when the Soviets showed the world that lesson and we already had it in Vietnam too.

Wars which aren't total wars drastically increase the possibility for failure.

>>34312681
>we learned that no amount of stealth makes you foolproof
Except that this conclusion is wrong considering what happened?

>>34312681
>But what are the lessons of Syria and Ukraine?
social media became a new warfare

shill from both side attacked each other like never before

and they made many new memes

>>34312779
No, his conclusion is perfectly accurate. The stealth was up to the job, but the jackoffs planning and flying the missions left themselves open.

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>>34312775
>Wars which aren't total wars drastically increase the possibility for failure.
not fighting a total war against an enemy that is drastically increases your possibility of failure

>>34312782
Please provide broofs

>>34312681
Syria showed that:
>ATGMs are God tier in environments with long sightlines.
>A two tier armed forces comprised of organized paramilitary/militias backed up by the logistical and heavy weapons professional army/air force is a viable combination against a semi-organized force.
>Fortifications are relavent again, the battle of Aleppo revolved around the citadel. SBVIEDs made earthen walls a military engineering necessity in outposts and defensive perimeters. Expect earthen star fortifications studded with ATGMs and autocannon to be hastily constructed around important points when the tide of war comes through an area.
>Technicals are vital platforms for high mobility heavy weapons
>VBIEDs are an acceptable way of precison delivering explosive ordinance, expect this to be one of the first self driving car applications in the wild.
>Drones have filtered down to the company/platoon level and are providing real time tactical surveillance for the employment of heavy weapons. ISIS is pioneering the use of small drones for air to ground use, expect many different antidrone avenues to be explored, from existing jammers to anti-aircraft sights on rifles and machine guns to experimentation with ATGM sized masers and even revive flak guns against higher flying drones. This extends to helicopters given the hilarious AA incompetence displayed when Russian Hinds started to show up over Syria.

Ukraine - without air power, artillery is God

but we knew this already so I dont know.

Syria is just weird.

>>34313196
>hilarious AA incompetence displayed when Russian Hinds started to show up over Syria.

this is weird actually as there's a fuckton of Toyotas in Syria with mounted ZSU-23 on them and 23mm will chew up any hind

why the fuck havent they gotten at least one, they were nailing migs with that shit before

>orcs exist

>>34313224
Because even since WW2 nations with airpowers try to train their own forces how to avoid getting gibbed by AA?

>>34312982
Tanks 30 minutes out comrade.

>>34312681
>But what are the lessons of Syria and Ukraine?

That western whites are fucking cowards and pussies, incapable of doing what it takes to win wars, and only capable of wasting the lives of their own soldiers, and extorting billions of tax dollars.

Western whites need to reform their governments before there are no more western whites.

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>>34313196
unit dispersion . . . should be a thing

>>34313339

I've seen russian pilots hanging 100 meters above ground btfoing shit with unguided rockets and cannon fire

Doesnt get easier than that

>>34312681
that the russian armed forces greatly impoved
and they can achive a lot with little

>>34312681
That armor and semi-permanent fortifications are still relevant.

>>34312681
>During Jugoslav war we learned that no amount of stealth makes you foolproof and that ground based AA cannot effectively defend a country

Fix'd that for ya

>>34312775
If it isn't worth waging a total war over, it isn't worth waging war over. Call me when we're saturation bombing population centers again.

During Yugoslav war we learned just how much of a shithole non-western Europe still is

Sandniggers gonna sandnig

>>34312681
>But what are the lessons of Syria and Ukraine?
That high tech can be easily mitigated with shit you can buy off of banggood and aliexpress.

>>34313339
should we tell him about the helicopter losses in the cold war?

>>34312681
>soviet afghan war
>small squads of spec ops sent on search and destroy missions are more useful than entire armies in counter insurgencies
>soviet chechen war
>staying in vehicles in an urban environment is suicide
>rhodesian bush wars
>the best way to beat terrorist cells is to use terror tactics against them

>>34312681
>Ukraine
Arty is still king of the battle.
Plausible deniability is under rated.
Denial of Air Assets is key

>Syria
Doctrine, long term strategic goals and tactics still mater

>>34312782
This guy gets it. Memes and fake news can influence the battlefield and human history.

Both sides do Fake News.

>>34312681
>Afghanistan

Learned that .30 cal cartridges are still usefull in the modern day, not as the standard infantry weapon but as a supplement to a squad, such as a DMR or Medium Machinegun

>>34312681
the lesson of Syria is that having a nice military cannot solve all of your foreign policy problems.

>>34315138
>Ukraine

also trench fortifications are still surprisingly effective.

>>34318574
there was a quote from an israeli soldier that went something like "battles will always devolve into trench warfare if tanks are denied and air power is unavailable".

>>34313339
That training really helped them in Afghanistan

>>34313416
Reddit nigger go fuck yourself

>>34313416
>Western whites need to reform their governments before there are no more western whites
You mean euro whites?

>>34313196
Wow Syria is literally a war sandbox for devs to test out new shit in.

>>34312681
> us can steamroll 3rd world
> desert storm
who did the us fight there, literally 80% of saddam's forces defected overnight

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>>34313475
because russian pilots are badass and american-trained jihadis are shit?
when they see a hind, 99% of them scatter in every direction, that thing eats people

>>34312681
We have learnt that russia lack any semblance of credible force projections.
Ukraine did also teach us that the hatred towards russia found in former Soviet territory and the drive to join NATO was justified.

>>34312681
>Syria
ATGMs are dope as fuck.
Having better gear means fuck all if your guys are incompetent.

>Ukraine
ATGMs are dope as fuck.
Tanks are still cool.
Artillery is still cool.

>>34312681
Barrel bombs

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>>34319475
> shut down any sort of NATO bullshit post 09
> russia c-can't force project

If they couldn't force project, Georgia and Ukraine would already be in NATO, Syria would have been overthrown and Russia would have lost 2 naval bases.
> ukraine's hatred for russia
ukraine is a joke country and "ukrainians" should go be illegals in poland and cede their land, which sure as fuck doesn't belong to them. never mind the fact that half of "ukraine" is filled with actual russians

>>34319462
A Hind D?

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>>34319533

>>34319542
Whats a Russian gunship doing here?

>>34313196
Fortifications only became relevant again because fighting on the ground in Syria in competent and shit-tier

>>34319503
Literary having your soldiers step outside the base does not count as force projection, nor does driving across the border into a friendly area where you already have military presence.
Russias naval aviation is a joke almost bigger than the rest of russias navy.

>ukraine
Back before the Maidan protests, Ukraine was an extremely pro-russian territory. Unfortunately for russia, US intelligence and diplomatic efforts are magnitudes better than russias which is why they so easily overthrew russias puppet regime resulting in russia fighting another proxy war just on their border.
Fortunately for Poland, the Baltics, Romania, they knew that russians are not to be trusted and are immune the next time russia wants to chimp out.
The Ukrainian conflict has shown the world that NATO is still relevant for the liberty of small nations and a bulwark against russian aggression.

>>34314372
>>the best way to beat terrorist cells is to use terror tactics against them

elaborate?

>>34319503
>attacking neighboring countries
>"force projection"

We all saw Russia's force projection when Kuznetsov tried to limp to Syria for weeks only to immediately return after several of its jets crashed

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>>34319571
It's more COIN instead of plain terror tactics

>>34319462

Well, americans did not give their allies stingers or manpads.

What would hind do against a couple of stingers or manpads?

>>34319640
Fly low/fast and dump flares. Same shit they're doing in Syria. You know it's a fucking fast helicopter yeah?

>>34319651

But flying low means it can be hit with machinegun fire, and also just how many flares does it have?

>>34319651
Modern missiles usually employ dual band trackers or image identification making them more or less immune to flares.

>>34319660
Well obviously they haven't been hit with machinegun fire, since Hinds ARE flying low in Syria. They lost a Mi28 which slammed into the ground I remember, so there you go, the ground is more deadlier than jihadis spraying into the sky

Ukraine:
If the media doesn't cover it, there is no war.

Syria:
"Refugees" are an effective means to invade entire continents.

>>34319671
>Modern missiles usually employ dual band trackers or image identification making them more or less immune to flares.

Should aerial vehicles start popping routers and pictures of helicopters?

>>34319671
And modern flares are not just balls of fire.

>>34312681
That planting bombs in your neighborhood and waiting for some first world grunt to walk over it is surprisingly effective

>>34319549
Blah blah sensors wow is she insane?

>>34319555
>showing the HDI after they've been in the middle of a fucking civil war for half a decade
Nice job

>>34319687
It's a safe bet that someone running into the thread with their ass on fire to post GDP/HDI stats is an utter retard

>>34319549
Age hasn't slowed you down one bit

>>34319678
Unless your flare is another helicopter or dark blob of similar size youre fucked, mate.

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>>34313475

And not only russian pilots, exRhodesian military experts BTFOing anything on the ground.

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We have been taught that russian reports of any given event is never ever to be trusted.

>>34319725
That particular episode also taught us that either russian IADS sucks balls or that Putin instantly bends over when Trump tells him to spread 'em.

>>34319533
Metal Gear?

>>34312681

>Ukraine
>In case of asymetrics in armor capability, use old artillery selfpropelled howitzers in suicide ambushes to even the field
>ATGMs can be quite useless against APS systems and ERA can actually protect the vehicle when there are no tandem waheads involved
>International community can be easily fooled by simply removing the patches of your uniform
>3d printers can be used for on site cheap drone manufacturing when your logistics are bad
>Never let your air force to wear down or suffer heavy losses
>There is no such thing as "too much artillery"

>Syria
>Daddy Russia still has some swing
>Except in the navy, that was just mirrors and smoke... mostly smoke
>Airlift capabilities can compensate for your shitty navy power projection
>There is no such thing as "too much air bombing"
>Terrorists organization can be both non-territorial entities and territorial entities, switching back and forth both roles as they see fit
>Achieving mass is still very relevant, even in shithole type warfare specially in shithole warfare
>When lacking in means... use your imagination.
>Humanitarian is(again) a buzzword for attacking relentlessly
>Iran is trying to be more serious about that "regional" power thing and is looking at Russia to teach him.

>>34319869
>fooled

Everybody knows Russia has troops in the Ukraine and is aiding their side with artillery strikes.

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>>34312681
We learned that US media can't keep spamming lies and propaganda 24/7 anymore because of the internet.

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>>34319503
>shut down any sort of NATO bullshit post 09
The only real setback russia ever managed to inflict was Georgia.
Ukraine now wanting to join was because a monumental fuckup on part of russia. They should have let Ukraine sign the EU deal and kept Ukraine as an ally and area to dump goods and cheap labor.

Other than that, russia has been completely unable to stop NATO from encircling and shitting down the throat if russias only somewhat true friend, Serbia, nor been able to keep US from fucking with Syria.

>>34319956

And yet no one did anything about it and now its too late.

It worked for the first 6 months of the conflict, which made wonders for Russia in getting Crimea without forcing an intervention from outside forces.

Now that they got what they wanted the rebels can fuck themselves.

>>34320078
>securing crimea is a monumental fuckup
who cares about the drain that is the rest of ukraine? The only other asset the country has are the shipyards in odessa.

>>34320135
No one was fooled in the slightest even day one of the russian invasion.
Even if russia had played honestly and admitted that they had invaded, nothing would have changed.
Ukraine is not a NATO member, had no significant dealings with EU and no one in particular likes Ukraine very much to begin with.
What was a masterstroke from NATO was to fuel the discontent in Kiev, forcing russia to blow massive ammount of political capital and credibility on invading a region that was already theirs in all but name, triggering a huge boost in military spending all across Europe and exposing russias dishonorable and treacherous nature.
Look looking ten years back russia has gained NOTHING.

>>34320231
Russia did have substantial parts of defense industry in Ukraine. They also had Crimea in all but name, not even the most optimistic NATO general thought that there would have been any chance of russia leaving Crimea.
They did force russia away from a land connection there however, forcing russia to spend enormous sums on an expensive an vulnerable bridge.
The Ukrainian conflict has been a huge net gain for NATO.

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>>34313224
I think the AA incompetence is twofold:
1) It has to do with these guns often not being mounted in proper AA mounts, likely when they get ngger-rigged into a technical they don't get the extremely quick traverse electrical motors, so they have to be hand-cranked on target, and
2) None of the technical operators are actually trained in deflection shooting to hit airborne targets that move at any kind of speed

Perhaps another one
3) A Zis 23-2 strapped to a technical is not a Shilka. It completely lacks radar target aquisition and the electronics necessary to take it beyond a level that would have been pathetic in WW2.

>>34312982
>Please provide broofs
I would but OBONGO banned ISIS videos from the internet.

>>34320270
coups work, who would've thought. After kiev pivoting west they had no choice

>>34314372
>>soviet chechen war
>>staying in vehicles in an urban environment is suicide
We're breaking that paradigm with remote controlled turrets, insane armor, 360° camera coverage and Oculus Rift-tier tech to observe every inch around the vehicle.

>>34320284
>ngger-rigged into a technical they don't get the extremely quick traverse electrical motors
This.
Also, a Toyota Hilux is not a stable firing platform, you can with luck hose down a house a block away but hitting a helicopter almost a kilometer out? Not a chance.

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>>34320241
>nothing would have changed.

Ouright saying that they did a landgrab? Thats just an invitation for a NATO intervention.

And while its true that it wasn't a NATO member and not part of the EU, that only made it more vulnerable to being part of Russia influence which enabled the whole ordeal in the first place, but even if they are not part of the EU or NATO they knew that Crimea was the only warm port Russia could use(along with other infrastructures like the airport) and denying them that was a very important measure in keeping Russia in a bad state.

So as you say, they did fuel the protests in support since Ukraine was already fed up with their relationships with Russia and they only needed a little push, since Sevastopol was still under Ukraine control Russia couldn't afford to lose it, so in the end it was EU and NATO the ones that lost in their unwillingness to actually commit to their plans.

They sanctioned Russia but instead of creating stability Putin just used it to legitimize his government as the defender of a bullied country

Their plans forced Russia into the conflict and created a divided and broken country, which only salvageable and usefull part is now in Russia hands, so yeah the EU can keep it now.

And while its true that Russia did suffer a lot from the economic point of view, politically this along with their operation in Syria let them gain enough political prestige, not the other way around, as the poors man alternative to western powers(which for example; meant that Iran is now interested in buying SU-27s and learning Russian air strategy).

Looking ten years back Russia has gained things, and while its true that they cost a lot of money(the space program came to a halt for example) they have started to regain some of its former glory.

>Syria
A stationary tank is a dead tank.

Electronic jammers work well for supporting a proxy war. Russia denies airspace and the US can't justifiably bomb the jammers. (We have the ability to bomb them but not the political justification.)

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>>34320345
>Ouright saying that they did a landgrab? Thats just an invitation for a NATO intervention.
>NATO intervention on behalf of what was just two months ago a projected hostile in event of war
Yeah, no. Without Article 5 there would not have been anything. NATOs only goal was to destabilize a russian ally which they succeded gloriously with. No one ever though that you could pry russia away from their warm water ports, just make things troublesome, which is what happened.
EU wanted trade deals and had no interests in any military targets. Crimea is useless as far as EU is concerned.
The EU got their trade deal, loaned Ukraine money thus that Ukraine had to spend in Europe so the EU is out ahead.
NATO denied russia a land bridge to Crimea, denied russia parts of their military industry, stole one of kremls subjects, forced russias hand in retaking Crimea, got a massive boost in political justification and spendings and a bery real and justified reason to paint russia as an occupying aggressor.
The only thing russia got was a name change of the ownership of crimea but wrecked their own economy, had to spend precious reserves rebuilding industry caught in Ukraine, forced to bankroll a proxy war filled with useless bickering warlords, lost an element of surprise that could be used to occupy the baltics should the need arise and the parts of the world that actually matters view russia as savages.
The only loser in this scenario is russia(and Ukraine but no one cares about Ukraine).

>>34319673

In case somebody doesn't follow the war that closely and talk the bullshit this has been spewing as the truth.

A few videos of Hinds getting destroyed.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1420707/watch-the-dramatic-moment-isis-shoot-down-russian-helicopter-in-syria-killing-two-pilots/

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/5851/russian-mi-24-hind-gets-obliterated-after-making-an-emergency-landing-in-syria

>>34319503
>Russia loosing it's naval base in Crimea

No it wouldn't. Ukraine wasn't even planning on being part of Nato until after Russia had boots on the ground.

>>34320551
Being an attack helicopter pilot was more dangerous than I expected.

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>34312681
>During Desert Storm we learned that US can steamroll


>That one helicopter thing in the mother of all 3rd world countries that happened almost immediately after the gulf war.

IDK about that, anon.

>>34312681
>lessons of Syria
You need as many tanks as possible
>Ukraine
Artillery is still a thing.

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>>34321478
>consistent, complete domination in the air and on the ground as part of a massive literal invasion of a hostile nation state
>a particularly bad day (and even then, strictly on a tactical level) where the skinnies got lucky in downing two helicopters, and even by conservative estimates got completely BTFO anyway
>implying the two are in any way comparable

>>34321543
>Artillery is still a thing
When did it ever stop being a thing?

>>34320270
Ukraine still cant join neither eu nor nato

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>>34321478
look at the numbers

>>34312782
Reddit

>>34319742
Why not both?

>>34322074
They will string Ukraine along holding memberships in front of their noses like a jew dangling a burger in front of an American.
If they get full memberships they have rights too, can't have that.

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>>34312681

>During Jugoslav war we learned that no amount of stealth makes you foolproof

They shot down one plane by dumb luck after it had bombed their country back to stone age.

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>>34323334
>They shot down one plane by dumb luck

Okay.

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>>34323366


It got the lock on once the bomb doors were opened and the entire process lasted 10-20 seconds. Delusional serb that thinks they defeated US/NATO by shooting down one plane afteir their country was glassed

>>34323441
It got the lock on because mong-tier pilot and copilot had the grand idea to leave the bomb bays open permanently because the Nighthawk has notorious overheating problems when you don't "open a window" like they did. Too bad you have a massive hole in your stealth covering angled straight downwards then.

What we learn from Syria:
- you really can drag a civilian from the street, force him into a uniform and have him in combat 30 minutes later
- allying with a local militia and handing them some gear does not give said militia any interest in fighting
- the enemy might be savages but they still have full internet access and university level chemists and electronics experts
- there is no military technology on the market anywhere in the world that cannot show up in the enemy trench
- every soldier captured by the enemy will first be attempted ransomed, then executed if the money don't show up
- militias don't express political and social rebellion, they are pure mafia in uniforms willing to ally with any wealthy daddy
- the weapon you give to your ally today might well be sold by your ally to your enemy before the night is over
- Toyota still rules
- all foreign participants are marketing assets first, soldiers second
- you check a downed enemy for suicide bomb belts first, money belts second, pulse third if at all
- there is no such thing as running out of explosives
- no gun is too old to be useful

>>34323606
>- you check a downed enemy for suicide bomb belts first, money belts second, pulse third if at all
You don't check a downed enemy at all unless you're a fucking haji desperately in need of loot to keep your dakka going. You wait, for at least half an hour, before going anywhere close to that shit. Bomb may be on a timer.

Why does the Ukrainian war have such low casualties despite the heavy arty barrages?

Would you have more chance of fighting in the middle east or Ukrainian?

>>34319640
Same thing it did when the soviets invaded Afghanistan

>>34323804
Trenches and bunkers, many and many of them

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>>34313470
FUCK, THAT WAS NASTY!!!

>>34312681
>During Desert Storm we learned that US can steamroll 3rd world countries

Uhh Iraq in 1991 was by definition a 2nd world country. They were aligned with and supplied by the Soviets.

>>34323804

Partly that nobody is giving out accurate casualty figures, but mostly that everyone is entrenched and staying there. Unguided artillery aimed at an area is great to break up an attack or interdict enemy reinforcements, but very inefficient once the enemy has dug down. Those huge lethal radiuses of heavy artillery air bursts and cluster munitions are orders of magnitude less effective once you need a direct hit on a dug-out to have a chance of killing anyone.

>>34324077
even if the equipment was 2nd or even 1st world it still dosent change the fact that half of them were goat herders and had little to no education or morale. Its the same reason why US is afraid of Norks but constantly shits on Syrians and Libyans they just simply are shittier than us. Only real countries in middle east are Turkey Iran and Saudi Arabia everything else is just some retarded mix of same shit.

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>>34323606
>- Toyota still rules
Kia is getting in on the action.

>>34313196
We already know that in open spaces ATGMs are useful against tanks just look at the yom kipper war in 1973 where israeli tanks charged across the flat sinai straight into Egyptians with them ready to go

>>34319725
It turns out that most Reports from Russia turn out to be BS

>>34323485
>F-117
>copilot
wut

>>34320067
FTFY:
We learned everyone spams lies and propaganda via the internet.

>>34325792
Nuh uh, only kikes, liberals and fags use propaganda

>>34321401
Thousands of US helos were destroyed in Viet Nam/Laos/Cambodia.

Helicopters cannot be made particularly resistant to gunfire. Anything larger and you're fucked.

>>34324077
The Republican Guard often fought well and died bravely. What many spectators miss is that Iraq had the misfortune of confronting US forces at their Cold War peak. We went from the post-Nam Hollow Force era to the Reagan era in the 1980s and the change was amazing. The Air Force went from not being able to train due to parts and fuel budget constraints to almost constant practice sorties and exercises. (I enlisted in 1981 and saw it first hand.)

Part of containing the Red hordes was a credible conventional deterrent and we had it. Saddam couldn't have picked a worse year to invade Kuwait. His forces were battle hardened from the war with Iran but they'd never encountered a modern air force or enemy armor with modern sights.

We were so used to flying heavy embedded sortie schedules it was easy to keep the aircraft mission capable. With nothing else to do but work 12-hr shifts our mission capable rates went up. The limiting factors were tanker support and aircrew rest.

>>34319455
Plus, operation Just Cause already demonstrated this to even more dramatic effect

>>34313470
M-M-M-Monster Kill!

>>34323920
Depends on who you're "fighting for" in the me.

Vietnam showed us that a billion dollars can't beat a bunch of pissed off rice farmers.

>>34322107
UN Peacekeeping was a mistake.

>>34319675
>If the media doesn't cover it, there is no war.

Seems like that'd be more of the lesson of the war in Yemen. Can't go more than five minutes on any major US new channel without them bringing up Russian aggression in Ukraine.

>>34319596
I think he was more referring to the sort of work the Selous Scouts did, which I wouldn't necessarily describe as terror tactics.

Their tactics went pretty far beyond COIN, though. Dressing as the enemy was pretty much standard field uniform for them even on major raids into Mozambique. Something like 80% of Selous scouts were black, and some of them were former terrorists who had been captured and flipped. They would pretend to be terrorists to learn the locations of terrorist groups operating in Rhodesia so they could call down the fire force. Posing as terrorists made interacting with the locals

They did do some guerrilla work in Mozambique, like crossing the border to lay mines or fire a few mortar rounds at a FRELIMO base, while dressed as the enemy, of course. The goal with that stuff was to discourage FRELIMO from supporting terrorists crossing into Rhodesia.

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>>34319675

good post

>>34329939
it was initially created in the aftermath of WW2 when the entire world got BLACKED. they unironically thought that one war would be all it takes for all of humankind's preceding generations to just lose the desire to fight. holy fuck they were idealistic and stupid

>>34323606
>there is no military technology on the market anywhere in the world that cannot show up in the enemy trench
I swear there's some really unique shit I've discovered from just watching these retarded jihad videos. They literally just fire whatever is given to them, no matter its condition

>>34313416
All the militias that win the most are white, though.

how does the Aim-9x stack up against, say, an IRIS-T?

>>34312779
Considering how many "Tanks" NATO & US air forces blew up that turned out to be wooden replicas and balloons, he's very accurate.

>"No amount of stealth"
>They shot down the most primitive stealth plane ever made and solely because they knew exactly where it would be and used saturation launches with the missiles set to proximity fuse

>>34313475
The hind is an extremely fast helicopter, and it has access to ATGM's which vastly outrange non radar directed AA.
There is also the fact that it's extremely well armored to this day, more than a few bits of the aircraft can take 23mm

>>34312681
>Afghanistan
Caspar Weinberger's doctrine held true, if you aren't ready to commit massive troop numbers and wage total war with the high expectation of casualties, then you shouldn't go at all.

>Syria
Unless you're employing the highest of protection, armor is now fairly redundant in urban settings since its just waiting to get rekt by ATGMs or IEDs. Also a fairly interesting amount of make-shift APCs and "advanced" technicals from all sides.

>Ukraine
Armor movement needs to be swift and punch hard or the enemy will dig in and proceed to go full Verdun on your ass. Also don't let Boris get drunk and handle your SAM platforms, because he will create an international incident with it.

>Philipines
Apparently we now know that cardboard strapped to some chinkshit APC will help stop an RPG.

>>34320345
It's already over for Ukraine. Russia knows how far it can go now. EU/NATO will never take in a state at war, Russia will keep up supplying the rebels, it can afford attrition and if shit truly goes south for the Rebels and they get their shit pushed in Russia steamrolls a few MRD's and tank divisions across the border and takes Ukraine within 3 weeks

>>34328227
I know nothing about Just cause, can I get a rundown?

>>34313402
fuck i dont think anyone on /k/ will remember that anymore and its only been like 3 years.

>>34313470
okay who shot that rocket was it isis or counter isis

>>34332167
probably non isis. Isis videos are muc more flashy.
Its probably some US backed group because US demands videos of atgm shots in return for ammo because they arent really cheap.

>>34332124
Noriega and Panama BTFO. Even when bombing military targets, the US attempted to limit casualties so as not to massacre a greatly inferior enemy TOO much (bombing lightly manned instillations on military bases as opposed to a crowded barracks full of sleeping soldiers, for instance).

The most heavily criticized aspect of the US conduct during the invasion of Panama was some fires that got started in some crowded slums, burning many of the poor fuckers living there. Panamanians claim it was an intentional part of the US's offensive. US claims Panamanian forces did it to slow the US advance. It could've been US army attempting to dislodge Panamanian snipers with mortars. Given the shoddy construction of said slums, it could've easily been a fleeing family leaving the stove on.

BTW Noriega just died. He really was a piece of shit. Good riddance.

>>34312782
TL;DR

Propaganda

>>34325250
STEALTH

>>34329847
You really really need to read up on vietnam son.

>>34312812
>not fighting a total war against an enemy that is drastically increases your possibility of failure

Jesus Christ. My brain hurts trying to read that. Do you know how to write a real sentence?

>>34312681
that arabs are shit at war

>>34325250
what the hell is going on here?

>>34312779
Granted they had to fuck up really hard for it to happen, but the fact remains that they did fuck up precisely that hard.

>>34312681
Syria
>literally don't bother with shitskins
>your armed forces can steamroll a dictator and another dictator will prop himself up a week later
>conventional occupation doesn't work against guerrilla-style civilians

Ukraine
>our fathers/grandfathers were right about Russia
>the mainstream media is quick to forget about armed conflict if it's only whites/slavs dying