F/A-18E Super Hornet vs SU-22

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>>34297401
Madman!

Pitiful Super Bug, shooting down something that can barely fly as it is.

>>34297401
Could go either way, ive seen a flipo crago ship take out the navys best this week.

>SU-22
>proven lord of the sky
I wouldn't be surprised if the militaries that still fucking field it forget it's in their inventory.

Wonder if they put a single tally mark for that kill, wouldn't hurt to remind people Super Bugs do more than fall in the drink.

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I can't fucking wait for Hornet Ball 17

>>34297972

i'd have to count frames and i'm not familiar with the Hornet HUD, but that's doesn't look enough for a kill. just a snap.

>>34297401
Props to anyone crazy enough to climb in the Su-22. You've got to be unhinged to fly 50+ y.o. slav jets, but grandfatherly slav swing-wings maintained by Arabs is well beyond Kenny Loggins territory.

>>34298004

>Highway to the Danger Zone
>In an Arab Accent

>>34298004
SHARIF DON'T LIKE IT

>>34297401
which was more valuable, the Su22 or the AIM9 that took it down?

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>>34298000
Don't ask me, but with a 100 rounds a second I'm guessing that Eagle whould be hard to sell as scrap.

>>34298088

3-1 SK has rules on what counts as a valid guns kill. you need X amount of frames at a certain ranges, with certain frames counting as 2. i am completely unfamiliar with the bug/rhino parts of that, but based on my eye alone it doesn't look like a guns kill.

>>34297401
How nice to see Isis has such a powerful air force on their side...hmmm.....

>>34298073
Proportionate to their respective county's ability to replace losses? The SU

>>34297401
So is this the first kill of the Super Hornet?

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>>34298173
Like I said, I have no idea about training rules and such.. I'm no fighter pilot. But to me it looks like he just delayed a bit when he took the pipper off him, not to get too close maybe?

It's from a cruise video and no more of the fight was shown, but being in that position I whould gess the F-15 was screwed nontheless.

>>34298212
>this amount of asshurt

SOMEBODY UPDATE THE K:D SLAV VS US INFO GRAPHIC!

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>>34298268
>hur dur ur butthurt
That's one less plane fighting Isis, good job America, so proud

>>34298324
>us is not fighting isis
Your welcome. Keep sending up planes, we will keep knocking them down.

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>Operate in Syrian airspace
>Shoot down their aircraft
In any other context this would be an act of war

>>34298439
Nah, it's just the US acting like the superpower it is.

Assad could declare war on the US. it would be his biggest mistake, but he could do it.

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>>34298439
Yeah? What are you going to do about it, nerd?

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>>34298324

>>34298439
Was thinking the same thing but if anything it just shows how much the US can essentially get away with.

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>>34298268

>>34298587
Those F-14 kills are actually way higher than they should be - the 135 comes almost entirely from heavily disputed Iranian claims, whereas everyone else watching only counted like a couple of dozen, if that.

>>34298684

Doesn't matter, the point is made. Western fighters are master race. Russian tractors are forever BTFO slavshit hot garbage.

>>34298561
>defeat isis in 30 days
>by selling weapons to saudis

Some 40000000000D chess we got going on here.

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a plane that is there for Air to Ground combat blowing up useless terrorists and then the US niggers come in and just shoot them down.

can't allow Assad to kill Innocent ISIS right?

why is the US such niggers?
how can people still defend this?

>>34298073
Was it an AIM9? Source?

>>34300269
It was a gun kill

>>34300310
Source?

>>34300310
wtf I love 20mm now

>>34300322
Source: my ass
It was probably an AIM9, who gets gun kills in the 21st century?

>>34298587
I'm gonna buy 500 biplanes and then shoot them down with my privately owned Mig29, will that count on its K/D?

>>34300359
It could have been an AIM120 AMRAAM.

>>34297401
The SU-22 is an old ground attack jet, the F/A-18 is a modern multirole fighter. Gee, I wonder who would win?

>>34300381
yes

>>34300359
Well, if you are one of the best pilots in the world flying one of the best maintained fighters in the world, and that fighter grossly outmatches your opponent.....why not use guns?

It isn't like he could turn the tables and shoot you down. If he lived in your country he probably couldn't pass the exam to drive a trash truck, and he was trained by people of similar quality, and despite having most of the world's oil his country is too poor to afford the fuel necessary to keep his air time at a competitive level.

Really no risk. The USAF should cut port holes in canopies so pilots can count coup.

>>34298363
I can almost feels the nose behind this post

>>34298004
Max kek

>>34300770
>you are a jew (or isis) if you enjoy watching assads planes eat dirt

Kek

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>>34301009
T.Jewish proxy army apologist

>>34300519
Man fuck that shit. I'd wax the dude from bvr. Can you imagine if something went wrong and you dropped out of the sky facing one of the most battered slavshit planes flying? Then again I'm not a fighter pilot so you should probably take the opposite of my thought process and apply it.

>>34301031
t. Upset kebab

>>34301042
If you would manage to get shot down in an F/A-18 by a syrian SU-22 you deserve having ISIS roast you alive in a cage just for the amount of shitposting your failure causes on /k/

>>34301074
Shit happens. Could just as easily be a freak mechanical failure or fucking sneezing at the wrong time. Point is, I'd never risk it.

You're 100% right about the potential results.

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>>34297473

Polack here our pilots like it and its a solid strike plane

The west called it the "blind boxer" but the plane packs a solid punch and its biggest drawback was its targeting/navigation complex that was always somewhat imprecise especially at night and with bad visibility - bear in mind these planes were supposed to drop nukes however where it doesnt matter much. The complex itself is also autonomous - while imprecise it will allow the plane to operate when nukes are going off everywhere around and everything is getting fucked up by EMP's. This is a product of deep cold war thinking.

Our polish Sukas got updated GPS based systems which make up for that.

Armament wise its pretty hard hitting too, carries everything from trademark russian unguided rocket pods, bombs up to half a ton and underwing gun pods turning it into a dakkaplane bristling with six 23mm barrels four of which can fire downwards.

As for effectivity our airforce ran tests and assuming 600m level flight at 900 km/s, an eight bomb salvo using a KLON-54 laser rangefinder hit probability on an AA platform was 65%, wont bore you with the rest of autist stats.

Russians also embargo the Kh-25 and Kh-29 surface to air missiles because we're not exactly on friendly terms so we have about 250 left in store.

Syrian Suka is probably a bit less up to spec, we've been modernizing the shit out of these and its been a national issue, lots of people butthurt we're still even keeping them

>>34301161
That actually sounds like a decent cheap attack plane for uncontested airspace if you keep them up to spec, or can shoehorn NATO weaponry in there so there aren't supply issues.

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>>34301161
The Syrian Su-22s are not really upgraded and are from the middle of production (late 70s) They are simply bomb carriers. They do their job well though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XI5tXb-6fNU

>>34301161
Yeah, that's why they fly it, cause they like it :D

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>>34301434
Syrian upgrade most of their Fitters to the Su-22M-4Ks that have considerably upgraded avionics, including RSDN navigation (similar to LORAN), beacon navigation, inertial navigation, a more powerful (Klyon) "Kлён-54" laser rangefinder, radio compass, and SPO-15LE ("Sirena") radar-warning system. Additional fuselage inlets (including ram-air inlet at the base of the fin) to improve engine cooling airflow, fixed air intake shock cone. Many aircraft were equipped for the use of TV-guided missiles and BA-58 Vjuga pod for anti-radiation missiles. AL-21F-3 engine.

Pulled from wiki.

>>34300229
That plane was hitting the Kurds, not ISIS.

Imagine being so cucked you have your own planes btfo in your own airspace and you're too pussyshit to do anything about it other than screech like the butthurt desertmonkey that you are.

Hilarious desu

>>34301672
yea how funny killing people who defend their country against terrorists.

you niggers deserve yellowstone exploding

>>34297401
>bullying Fitter-chan
>ever
the Americans truly are monsters.

>>34298069
KEK, TOP

>>34298212
It's okay Ivan, let it go.
A better question is why your government supports the Muslim countries of Syria and Iran.

>>34301884
>pot, meet kettle
burgers can't really talk shit about anyone's political alliances when they support the Saudis.

>>34301823
u mad?
FUCK YOU

>>34301900
Not so much support as taking their money.

>>34301823
Su was attacking Kurds not ISIS.

>>34301971
>not informing Syrian Arab Army where you conduct operations with your homo kurds

fucking amateurs

>>34301900
We're selling weapons to both sides of the Saudi/Qatar conflict and making hundreds of billions of dollars for the low low cost of outdated military equipment and dead sandniggers. CAPITALISM!

>>34302019
wouldn't surprise me if these proxy wars are just to make money on both sides.

dumb goyim kill each other while others make mad shekels

bet Putin and Trump laugh their asses off while selling inferior monkey models to everyone.

>>34302008
>not knowing the US is there
fucking morons

>>34298567

So why are they crying like a bitch nigger when Russia secures its immediate neighbors and ea ports in Crimea?

It's basically all theatrics, all that freedumb bullshit talking?

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>>34301619

It absolutely wasn't. Syrian SOHR which reports on incidents say there were no targets Kurdish or otherwise hit in any of the disputed areas.

It's the US being the niggers and absolutely reprehensible "bad guys", as usual nowadays.

It's what happens when your government and military are no longer pursuing American interests and foreign policy - but Globalist/Israeli/Saudi interests instead.

How American citizens can defend this I don't even know. You'd either have to be dim, brainwashed or fucking evil.

>>34302453
SS13 is shiiiiiiiiiit

>all the angry third worlder salt in here because their shit equipment got shot down with ease

Why are they all so bootypained?

Su-22.
Pure Stalinium steel cannot be overcome by weak, pig-dog capitalist composites.

>>34302566
kek

>>34302549
because its unfair and gay and supports terrorists.
fuck ISIS and fuck the US for supporting them.

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>>34302604
>because its unfair

Holy shit you people are cucks.

>>34302604
We're defending the SDF, who are currently busy killing ISIS in Raqqa, from SyAF bombers, and *we're* the ones supporting ISIS?
I think you've had enough vodka, Sergei.

>>34302631
>Sergei

it's spelled CEPГEИ pleb, and i'll have you know that my name is Yevgeny Anatoly Ilyich Svedna Alexei Alexeivovich (NATO Designation: Maindog)

>>34300229
>>34302453
Fuckin this. Burgers meddle too much.

>Fitzgerald gets T-boned by a cargo liner
>Fucking Americans BTFO! Xaxaxa!
>SU-22 bombing SDF gets splashed
>F-Fucking unfair Americans s-stop fucking meddling with everything!

Foreigners really are something huh

>>34297972
>implying BFM and dog fighting matters anymore

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I'm actually surprised a board full of supposed operators can't grasp the strategic implications of this, and what a disaster it really is for the US. The pilot ejected and was rescued by the SAA, so no bargaining chips for the SDF, and now Russia has basically declared a no fly zone west of the Euphrates. Secondly, it's not like the US was doing this for the kurds, the entire plan is to funnel ISIS into Syrian gov held territories in the hopes that ISIS will capture Deir ez zor so the US will have a pretext to capture more territory at the expense of civilian lives. This seems to have backfired badly for them however.

>>34302822
>Typically pathetic Russian shit gets shotr out of the sky
>Middle Eastern shithole becomes even more of a shithole
>Some 3rd world country establishes no-fly zone
>Americans BTFO

I'm not a Yank. but i really dont understand your logic

>>34302822
are some of them having boners?
is that a side effect they get from being bombed by a particular type of explosives or something?

>>34302432
Because geopolitics.

I wonder how many Good Boy Points Trump will get from King Salman for this.

10, 20?

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why aren't americans and russians teaming up already?
I want to see F35s flying together with Sukhois doing bombing runs.

not this gay shit they're doing now.

>>34302901
I'd rather see a few F-35s soloing the entire Russian Airforce.

>>34302901
Because the West doesn't want to piss of the Saudis.

Never 5get 1973.

>>34302901
If we were to ever establish a complete alliance, Europeans will get supremely bootyradiated as that would constitute in small part a very tacit go-ahead from the US for Russia to start bullying Eastern Europe once-again, thereby upsetting the BoP in Euroland.

Remember that Europe will always be the primary victim of Russian shenanigans, we just watch from a safe distance. (Ignore that 45 year staring contest between us)

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>>34302822
>what a disaster it really is for the US
Not even in the slightest. What it did was to embarrass the russians. Again. Just like the airbase strike this has shown the world that Trump and the US is ready to put their money where their mouth is, to back up their promises with force for once. This puts russia under massive pressure, the US protects their interests and shits all over russias subjects. All russia has ever done is to squeal and maybe boycott cheese imports. Now russia might have to choose between looking like weak bitches again or risk being absolutely destroyed in Syria should they try to escalate things.
It is russia that has a hot dildo in their ass that they don't know how to handle.

>>34302925
>a few
>soloing
????????

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>>34302858
Let me try to give an example of how much the Syrian debacle is costing the US. Not to long ago, the US was arming Jordanian mercs to try and take the Iraqi-Syrian border so that Iran would not get a land route to Syria. This (rightfully so) pissed off both the Iraqi and Syrian governments. Quite hilariously, the Syrians just went around a deconfliction zone meant to keep the Syrians and Iraqis away from each other. Now the US has pissed off the Iraqis so much that there actually forming a defacto alliance with each other, literally undoing years of western foreign policy in the region trying to isolate Iran. The Qatar crisis also only adds fuel to the fire with Qatar realigning towards Turkey and Iran.
>>34302983
Trump of all people doesn't know what the fuck hes doing. The Americans just handed the Ruskies a very good reason to aim and shoot SAMs at coalition planes, and they've already stated they'll do so.

>>34303016
>thinking the Russians would actually try shooting at US aircraft.

>not realizing the rape train that would follow.

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>>34303024
You really want to tempt them and see what happens?

>>34303038
>finally shut up vatniks
Yes

>>34302822
>Russia has basically declared a no fly zone west of the Euphrates

their is no way that the US will repect that. So either the bluff gets called or we start getting close to ww3.

>>34303073
https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-06-19/russia-threatens-to-target-u-s-jets-after-syria-warplane-downed

It already got them to do something.

>>34303016
>Now the US has pissed off the Iraqis so much that there actually forming a defacto alliance with each other
No, they aren't.
>Qatar realigning towards Turkey and Iran
Qatar is already in Turkey's orbit and has been for over a decade. No change there. Qatar does not want to and cannot move closer to Iran.
Enjoy your splashed Sukhoi.

>>34303038
We've already demolished the narrative the Obama admin argued to stop previous retaliation: that any pushback against Russian interests in Syria would lead to WW3. The Russians, for their part, actively encouraged this lie, since they knew the appearance of irrationality allowed them greater leverage.

>>34303016
>they've already stated they'll do so
This is a huuuuge headache for RUSSIA.
Even back during the Soviet Union russia would seriously hesitate before openly shooting at US forces. Now when russia is a pathetic shadow of former might it is even a larger step to take to do so. Had russia been smart they would have had Assad say that he'd protect his forces and russia would have "armed" Syria with more missiles and "training", thus givinc russia plausible deniability should the worst come to worst, just like when they shot down an airliner in Ukraine. This however is reality and as we all know, russians are anything but smart. Now russia has to choose between having to be exposed as weak cowards again for the x'th time or risk being totally destroyed in Syria. This is a sword of Damocles over putins head and Trump is holding the thread. All he has to do is order a strike and call russias bluff.

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>>34303110
>No, they aren't.
I dunno, those Iranian militias and Syrian-Iraqi talks beg to differ.
>Qatar does not want to and cannot move closer to Iran.
Qatar has never really been super anti-iran. Now weather you think they may not move together politically, the crisis has forced them together economically and with the crisis still ongoing, these may last.
>demolished the narrative the Obama
what?
>>34303162
Considering that the coalition has already "re-positioned" its warplanes, I don't think we'll see any major escalation in a while in regards to active confrontation. It'll be business as usual until the situation with ISIS in Deir ez zor and Raqqa is resolved, and then we'll see what comes of the war.

Boy do i enjoy seeing Russia getting cucked

Keep up the good work burgers

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>>34303209
>I don't think we'll see any major escalation
The problem for russia is that this is entirely up to the US at this point. The US is dancing circles around russia, forcing puting to take tha passive responding role. The US wrecked the shit out of syrian air base protected by russians and all putin could respond with was "n-next time we will stop you, p-promise!".
Now russia tried to get ahead by allowing assad to bomb US protected forces, only to have their plane spiked into the dirt.
All putin did was to respond with n-next time we will stop you, p-promise!".
Now the US vas plenty of time to plan their next move and when it happens russia has to rely on stupid conscripts to make the right snap decision or when it happens or yet again resort to "n-next time we will stop you, p-promise!"

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>>34303343
I'll agree that the Russians always have passive responses to these escalations, but this is coupled with SAA gains on the ground, which the US can't really prevent. In the grander scheme of things, Assad is pretty much unassailable, and these transgressions against him, while high profile, haven't really affected his war fighting capabilities. Now what the US will do once the ISIS landgrab is over is anyone's guess.

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>>34302901
>>34302930
This is why Trump's little trip to Riyadh is so criminally underrated. He changed the entire frame so the Saudis are now (mostly) doing what we tell them to again, and buying hundreds of billions of dollars of gear which will either be used to kill other sandniggers, or will rust away to nothing in the desert, at which point we show up with support contracts in hand and some C-17s to haul away the fat stacks of cash they'll be paying us. The closer the US gets to becoming a net energy exporter the harder the arabs sweat, and Trump is all about increasing domestic US energy production.

>>34297972
is this from a youtube video?

>>34302874
That can happen when you die. It's just a bodily reaction from the blood flow.

Jesus probably had a boner on the cross from how crucifixion affects the body.

>>34298561

>((()))

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>>34302822

Based Zahredine, the Druze Lion of DeZ.

Stacking dem dead American Jihad niggers 10 feet high.

>>34300359
It wasn't an AIM-9.

>>34298000
The circle shows real time where bullets would be at range.

>>34297460
Well if this isn't fugging underrated

>>34300229
Assad was bombing the SDF, the group that is currently besieging ISIS' capital of Raqqa.

Assad was stopping the fight against ISIS.

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>>34302822
>Slav/Kebabs turn getting their plane shot down and not responding meaningfully into GREAT VICTORY FOR THE AXIS OF RESISTANCE

Lmao this is the same mental gymnastics that led arabs to think they won the yom kippur war

SAA and IRGC had a hard time killing things that arent its own civilians, which is why Russia had to come in and save them

>>34305081
Strike Fighter Ball 2014

>one jet shot down
>"This changes everything"
It changes very little, and tells us nothing we didn't already know.

It doesn't change the fact America has been left twisting in the wind by Russia, that America is still timid about military action in the ME, and Assad is no closer to being turfed out than ever before.

Russia's not going to shoot down any US jets, nor vice versa.

>>34298439
That's the perks of being a superpower. Only thing that happens is receiving a strongerly worded letter, maybe even titled in red.

>>34302775
They're something else indeed

>>34297401
Kind of glad the poor old Hornet finally got to kill another plane, we used to call them bomb trucks and watch the life die inside airforce pilots.

>>34309628
You got it all wrong. What we see here is the US sticking their dick in everything russia holds dear while all russia can do is bitch and moan about it. The main US front against ISIS, Iraq, is completely devoid of russian interference while in russias puppet state of Syria the US funds and defends their own anti ISIS groups. The US is running circles around russia and putin is completely unable to keep up. Putin has resorted to paying shills on the internet in an attempt to make his pet forces getting smacked the fuck up look like a victory.

>>34310170
>You got it all wrong. What we see here is the US sticking their dick in everything russia holds dear while all russia can do is bitch and moan about it.

How can you be wrong about literally everything?

>>34310272
What I do see is the US openly supporting groups in Syria that is hostile to russians puppets.
What I don't see is either russia or their puppets doing anything significant about it or when they try like this bomber did here, they get smacked the fuck up.
Russia is being outskilled at every turn here.

>>34297401
Better question. Do we know what missile was used to down the Su-22?

If I had to guess it was either a Sidewinder or Sparrow.

>>34298324
I like how for once, they pretty much got all the important bits on the rifle right. Unlike the David Horsey specials!

>>34310398
The US has been sat with its thumb up its ass for the last couple of years, whilst Russia turns the situation on the ground round in favour of government forces.

One gov jet getting mashed up doesn't change this, the US have always been capable of doing it, but I'm not sure the US will want to make this kind of thing a regular fixture, neither will Russia or Assad. It's not a game changer. Unless US public opinion suddenly swings in favour of intervention, which seems doubtful.

>>34310403
>Sparrow.

It's not 1990 anymore anon.
BTW: it was 2 x AIM-9X (but this is from net, so treat this innfo cum grano salis)

>>34310469
I read it was 1x AIM-120

>>34310423
>be cartoonist
>want to draw gun
>look up picture of gun
>draw it
It isn't difficult. Horsey just doesn't care.

>>34310480

Supposedly, the engage distance was 0.6 mile. If this is true then it was waaaay to close for AMRAAM.

>>34310469
>1990

Sparrow is still in common widespread use in every branch and in almost every NATO air force.

>>34302453
If you fuck with Kurdistan you fuck with the USA.

>>34310515
Hmm, after perusing a bit I can't find any legit source claiming what missile was used.

The Aim-120 claim came from wikipedia, whose source was a War Is Boring article (lol), and the Aim-9 claim seems to have materialised spontaneously out of the twitter rumour mill. I doubt anyone who really knows has spoken up.

>>34310480
Isn't it standard engagement doctrine to fire 2 missiles at once in order to ensure a kill ?
I hear it was 2 missiles being fired but only 1 dit hit the su.

As for the political implications i think you guys are heating up waaaay to fast. Given the su22 well known navigational problems it might have been a mistake, and if Assad did really want to bomb the kurds he would not have sent 1 single old plane.
The only thing we can say is that the US have increased their support towards the kurds and are ready to step up for them. This might be a message for Assad or for Turkey - we will need to wait for ISIS to go down to be sure.

>>34310564
AMRAAM is highly dubious as it's very unlikely that anyone would fire an active missile into crowded airspace. Most likely is that it was either a sparrow or sidewinder.

>>34297401
Advanced 4th Gen multirole
vs
Old (but proven to still work well in its role) ground pounder.

A betting man would go with the Hornet.

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>>34310554

>>34301619
>>34301971
The Kurds were saying it was bombing "near" them, not them themselves.

To be fair the SAAF could have been getting too close for comfort with the attack runs, but they could have just told the Syrian pilot to fuck off a bit farther east through that supposed coordination hot line they have with the Russians.

>>34307621
^ this

Russia = ISIS

>>34310638
>but they could have just told the Syrian pilot to fuck off

They did, the Turkish way.

>>34301031
wat is "SSSR" ???

>>34310580

I bet the visual ID was fucking obligatory before pulling a trigger, just to avoid shooting down something with russian flag painted on it and creating a shitstorm a little too big for the moment.
And if F18 fly close enough to have a visual on poor old su then using a BVR missile to splash it don't have any sense

>>34310403
>>34310519
Common, yes.
But stocks are drying up as everyone is replacing them with AIM-120 series as the old AIM-7's hit their expiration dates (motors, triggers, and warheads degrade over time by oxidation or other issues).

I wish they would have tried the Arsenal Bird concept: big jet, huge radar, and a payload of a bunch of AIM-7ER / AIM-120ER missiles.

Ace Combat levels of missile spam.

>>34310554
... Kurdistan is a province inside of Iran isn't it?

>>34310651
Super Soviet Socialist Republics

>>34310648
I would have hoped the USAF would be above cockroach standards.

>>34310439
The US is regularly executes the ISIS top leaders and key personnel in Iraq with few civilian casualties.
Russia clusterbombs entire city blocks, destroy hospitals and infrastructure hoping that ISIS fighters die too when entire cities become incompatible with human life. Russia commit the most atrocious crimes against humanity and tries to play it off like they are beinh heroes.

>>34310645
What have you been smoking?
Russia is there to protect it's strategic ally. What would Russia gain from supporting ISIS, that is trying to topple the Syrian government?

US is the one with the long fucking history of state sponsored terrorism. You can twist the words and call them freedom fighters all you want, but it's clear as day that US/Israel/Saudis fund terrorists to destabilize the middle east so they can gain control of areas and resources.

>>34310651
Sojuz Sovetskich Sotsialistitjeskich Respublik

>>34310398
But Russia has been successful in preventing the collapse of the Assad regime. The US will only target Syrian government assets on the odd occasion. Meanwhile, Russia bombs groups we support and all we can say to them is "please don't." I don't see how we're ahead in Syria.

>>34310736
MUH BABIES
MUH CASUALTIES

US forces have leveled a fuckton of hospitals, bombed wedding ceremonies and committed dozens of warcrimes during its wars in Afghanistan, Iraq and now in Syria.

They just lie about it. Put a spin on it or cover it up. Russians do the same, but poorly.

You are not the "good guys".

>>34310709
The thing is that syrians and russians are savages, barely even human.
There is but one language they understand and that is to tell them to fuck off with super sonic explosives.

>>34310782
You are type the military loves. Too dumb to question anything, too blind to see the other side of the story and foolish enough to go and die for "your country".

You'd make a great soldier.

>>34310657
Exactly.

>>34310736
>>34310781
There are lies about it in the western media and i bet that Russians tell reverse lies in their own medias.

Truth is, war is expensive as hell, and no one is ready to spend time, money and manpower trying to spare some civilians that got in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Much easier to say "look them bad guys we good guys".

>>34310692
>But stocks are drying up as everyone is replacing them with AIM-120 series as the old AIM-7's hit their expiration dates (motors, triggers, and warheads degrade over time by oxidation or other issues).

They really aren't drying up. They're VERY slowly being phased out, and that's being generous. The simple truth is that they're easy to maintain, cheap to upgrade and everyone has shit tons of stocks of them. They're the Ship of Theseus of missiles.

>>34310763
>I don't see how we're ahead in Syria.
Before this all happened the US had no presence in Syria whatsoever and Assad, a russian puppet, thus russia had a stable region in the middle east under their control. Now Syria will be a fractured clusterfuck for decades and when things die down, those portions unde SDF, kurd or whatever US backed group is untouchable by russians and Assad.
From having no ground in Syria the US now has significant holdings, at the expense of the russians.

>>34300229
If Assad falls the jihadis are easy enough to pit against each other. The region is the enemy because Muslims are obstacles to the progress of civilization. (It was not always thus, but it certainly has been for a few hundred years.)

Assad, Iran and Russia are enemies of the West no matter how much propaganda 4Chan devours. Kill Assad and let the other competitors kill each other for the rest of the century.

The way to benefit from modern war is not to occupy the enemy region, but destroy it by backing proxies who have permanent skin in the game.

>>34310803
I'm the type that's unfortunate enough to live in a country bordering russia.
I know what russians are like and what at the end of the day russians respect.
Only military might keep russia at bay, any attempt at anything else will be abused by kreml and spun into propaganda to show how weak and afraid you are faced with russias strength.
Shooting down a plane like turkey did makes russia bitch and moan but it makes them respect your border.

>>34300429
Most likely. When I was in doctrine was to use AMRAAM first.

>>34301109
>Could just as easily be a freak mechanical failure

Those are called "freak" for good reason, and I think you mean electronic failure because modern fighter mechanical and hydraulic systems are highly reliable. There's also plenty of redundancy like quad-redundant flight control electronics.

t. maintainer

>>34310824
The only sparrows the US uses these days are sea sparrows.
You'd find no sparrow in US A2A inventory.

>>34310781
According to sandnigs every target is a wedding party, a hospital, or a wedding party at a hospital.

>>34310933
>wedding party at a hospital.
They're marrying them off younger every year.

>>34310657
AMRAAMs work well in close fights as well, anon. RMin difference is like a few hundred feet.

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>>34310736

Right, except the civilian death toll from US bombings has exceeded the Russian casualties by at least 2x, lying faggot.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/us-coalition-air-strikes-isis-russia-kill-more-civilians-march-middle-east-iraq-syria-network-for-a7663881.html

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>>34302901
>americans and russians teaming up
REEEEE TRUMP RUSSIA COLLUSION IMPEACH IMPEACH REEEEEEE

>>34311110
You could argue it works better for snap shooting.

Don't need a lock, can just shoot the fuckers like a harm. Better not have a friendly in front of you though.... For about 130km

Just read that a U.S. F-15 just downed an Iranian drone. Shit is heating up.

>>34311149
This is unfortunately the by-product of fighting in cities - the inhabitants die. Luckily for the US, no one will really care how many muds get mulched by their bombs, and if they do, they're powerless.

Russians have more to lose since they're helping their ally.

>>34311197
AMRAAM doesn't just pick onto whatever is in front of it, electronics sent to the missile says where enemy position is plus their velocity, angular rates, etc so it doesn't just go after the first thing it sees.

>>34311237
IIRC it has multiple firing modes, one of which is to turn the on-board radar to max, never using the aircraft radar for guidance. I don't know if you can send it on its merry way hoping it will find something downrange or if you need to lock the missile radar on a target before firing.

>>34311202
Good. Iranian drones should stick to their borders

>>34310899
Okay, prove it then. You made the claim that the AIM-7 is retired. Lets see some evidence of it.

>>34310899
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgtLpSxX0xo

rly makes u think

>>34311237
It can, it's called bore shooting where it activates its radar right out of the gate.

>>34311273
You can. Brevity code is FOX THREE then PITBULL

>>34311339
Maddog. Pitbull is for MPRF.

>>34303107
>Talking a shit
>Actually doing anything

Calm your tits, Mehmed. Go back to raping your 8 year old sister.

>>34311361
I have read put bull before.

https://books.google.com/books?id=8CuWMqircSoC&pg=PA531&lpg=PA531&dq=Amraam+brevity+code+boresight&source=bl&ots=_TAHW0c3BO&sig=P3sW9yaw8WuwiJwtKc-ullMGLoo&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiah8C24MzUAhWF6oMKHXcWAWQQ6AEIETAD#v=onepage&q=Amraam%20brevity%20code%20boresight&f=false

Though if you are a driver I will obviously cede.

>>34311361

MPRF?

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>>34311301
PROOFS posting? What are you, a vatnik?

>http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/m-7.html
>Although the AIM-7 has been replaced in U.S. service by the AIM-120 AMRAAM, Sparrow will probably remain in service with other nations for some time, because it is significantly cheaper than AMRAAM
And the sources cited;
>[1] Norman Friedman: "US Naval Weapons", Conway Maritime Press, 1983
[2] Norman Friedman: "World Naval Weapons Systems, 1997/98", Naval Institute Press, 1997
[3] Bill Gunston: "The Illustrated Encyclopedia of Rockets and Missiles", Salamander Books Ltd, 1979
[4] Hajime Ozu: "Missile 2000 - Reference Guide to World Missile Systems", Shinkigensha, 2000
[5] Christopher Chant: "World Encyclopaedia of Modern Air Weapons", Patrick Stephens Ltd., 1988
[6] BuAer Instruction 05030.4A: "Model Designation of Naval Aircraft, KD Targets, and BuAer Guided Missiles", Dept. of the Navy, 1958

You might be thinking of russia who despite having developed the R-77 still use the R-27 for the vast majority of their fighters.
It is exceedingly rare to see the R-77 in the wild even these days.
Pic related, russian fighter intercepting a US plane over the baltic sea.

>>34311383

That source is sort of correct but also sort of misstating what a pit bull call means.

Maddog is where you basically lob the AMRAAM into a piece of sky and it opens its eye and happy hunting. The pit bull call is when the AMRAAM basically has good enough radar SA to continue without link from plane's radar. Includes some math on Pwe and nerd shit.

>>34311399
Medium Pulse Repetition Frequency.

>>34311399
medium pulse repetition frequency

Aka, the missile is beyond fighter radar (rarely range, normally because it turns) and is acting on its own radar

>>34310692
>I wish they would have tried the Arsenal Bird concept: big jet, huge radar, and a payload of a bunch of AIM-7ER / AIM-120ER missiles.
They're developing an F-15 variant with sixteen AMRAAM hardpoints.

>>34311410
Alright, seems legit.

>>34311410
>>34311424

Thank you

>>34310638
They did tell them to fuck off but they didn't stop. This is just proof that you fucking stop when the USN tells you to.

>>34311428
Reminder that the f-15 can carry two sm-6 weight wise (station 2 and 6, can be way wrong though).

Sm-6 gets about 4x the range, (460 km) of the 120D, when launched from a ship at sea level. Imagine launched from a plane near transonic. It even uses an upsized Amraam seeker so electronics and software wise it should not be terribly hard to do.

>>34311452
F-35s can provide targeting data for SM-6s, pretty neat

>>34311490
The main problem is sm-6 production is going to the navy for the next few years, which is logical. But soon there will be a surplus...

This is assuming the US is not about done with their next generation Amraam. They are always secret about new weapons for various platforms.

Not much is known beyond the basics.

>>34311533
Shit, now I want to see a B-1B full of SM-6es acting like the world's largest fighter jet.

>>34303456
Why wouldn't the pipeline just go through Iraq?

>>34312404
Shorter route, SA is more stable.

>>34310638
They did tell him to fuck off, about an hour or so later another plane came in and that one the shot down.
Not sure if its the same plane returning.

>>34311406
>it's been replaced
>source is 1997

Meanwhile, earlier this year

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgtLpSxX0xo

2009:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDuoFBijMCA

really gets the old noodle chugging

>>34310890
Thank you for the correction. I meant any sort of unforeseen failure.

>>34302604
So by supporting the SDF, who are currently choking off Raqqa, we are supporting ISIS?