What are some basic training elements for a post apoc nation

Weapons training and maintenance is a must. Before they can even shoot, have them be familiar with their rifle.

>>34294472
I'd say small arms training. Communications and something like a watered down SERE school. Discipline and physical training. I'm not military so I'm probably forgetting something.

>>34294573
Nother note. Discipline and a respect for rank and seniorship have to be pounded into their skulls with a jackhammer. The only thing worse than no army is an aimless army

Also not being Profligates is a good place to start.

You degenerate

>>34294719

Back across the river kiddy diddler

>>34294472
Fundamentals of marksmanship, weapons familiarization, get them used to moving as an element, setting in patrol bases, OCOKA and all that fun shit

>>34294472
it would probably be hard to have people fight for something when there is no order or government

you will have to dig deep for some kind of moral that keeps every one together

just imagine the whole world is fucked there are bandits every where why would you risk your life to fight for some random guy?

>>34295423
Because you're not fighting for some random guy, you're fighting to keep the new nation forming that you currently live in. So that there can be more farms for food, electricity for houses, a safe place for your family.

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Training an army is a thing of the past.

Synths are the future you dirty surface dweller.

>>34295954
Fucking nerd

>>34294472
map reading, scouting and recon.

>>34295954
FO4 isn't canon, get out.

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>>34294472
>obsidicuck vegasbabby trying to figure out how the real world works when all he knows is cowboys vs indians bullshit

top lel as well as medium lel. a total of 1.5 lel coefficient

George Washington first general appointed was Adjutant General (Human resources) when he was forming a military.

You can't have an organization without organization of your people. Registered, accounted, trained, and with tracking on who's where and when.

Trying to move 1,000 men is a logistical nightmare without being able to keep account of them. Understanding what slots are over/under-filled is as important as the weapon your soldiers carry.

This is something every officer understands. Middle management isn't very glamerous in the military, but without it, there wouldn't be one.

>>34294472
Same as most militaries today; discipline, time management, logistics, prior planning. Master those concepts and the rest falls into place.

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>>34294472
basic weapon maintenance, obviously. Then probably hunting and survival, I doubt the ability of an apoc nation to supply it's troops. Discipline would likely be important, a unit doesn't survive if it can't work together, you cant risk anyone bailing on a fight just to save their own skin.
Basically Caesar's Legion you fucking profligate.

>>34296888
They did lose though

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>>34296888

>pit FOOTBALL PADS and MELEE WEAPONS against guns and prewar tech
>lol we didn't lose

>>34296984
Well it's a video game so whoever you pick wins.

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>>34294472
Nigga, a post apolcalyptic nation could look like anything.

It could be NCR, maybe reloading and shit was never rediscovered so troops are now armed with flintlock rifles since folk can't make cartridges anymore, maybe technology regresses all the way to the pre-powder era and troops only have swords and spears.

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Kung Fu.

>>34296992
>Better discipline
>Actual knowledge of their weapons (including guns)
>Working supply lines
>A stable core territory
>A working and improving economy
>Fucking manpower
>Lost

>>34297165
lmao theyre literally a loose confederation of poorly integrated savages

itd be like expecting the bloods and crips to successfully band together to topple the entire USMC. aint gonna happen, man

>>34297165
but they literally did lose the first battle of the dam, they couldnt get past it and were the party attempting to move beyond that

obsidicuck go home

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>>34297199
>if you win the first battle you win the war

>>34297237
considering NV is a shitty game and choosing caesars legion questery locks you out of 90% of the game and is just plain more tedious to get into in the first place, most players will probably end the game in such a way that caesar's legion loses out. and even their good endings kinda imply that theyre gonna fall apart in a few years because of massive raging incompetence on any level below caesar himself

>>34295954
I've seen Mr.Gusties and Handies with more personality than the synths.

I wish I was fucking joking.

>>34294472
I imagine in a post apoc scenario you simply don't have the economic ability to support standing soldiers, at least not full time standing soldiers.

What training there would be would probably be overwhelmingly focused on maintenance, considering that the ability to actually produce shit is probably down the tubes.

>>34294472
Well they didn't need to reinvent the concept, there's books lying around telling them easily how to do it.

Just have it like Fallout 2 NCR, who's military's mainstay forces were equipped with combat armor and assault rifles.

>>34295583
Why would you do that

This is the same problem in Afghanistan westerners dont understand

Imagune if you woke up tommorow everything is gone there is jo order crime is rampent your mom sister gf is getting raped by skme random dude or some malitiaman so you end up going to live with your extended family to create some kind of security for every one

Then some random guy comes to your families house tells you how great it would be to form a govwrnmemt where you pay taxes and you vpte for things

Why would you join them ? Jow do you trust some random guy why ?

I am thinking you would be fighting for the new army with out pay aswell right? Why would ypu leave your famiky just to fight for some dumb idiot? Why?

>>34297565
Are you an ESL or just a fucking retard? Learn English before posting.

>>34297165
Virtually everyone who hears of Caesars death, including his number 2 Joshua Graham, says that the Legion is internally doomed regardless of his death.

they are NOT a particularly stable society, and they do NOT have much domestic industrial production. the majority of NCR troops have a standardized breastplate and standardized AR15. the legion makes due with a mix of spear chucking, 20 gauge shotguns, and .357 levergats. the NCR also has a population of like 700,000-1,000,000 according to the plant guy at Camp McCarran.

industrial base > gold coins.

>>34294472
A lot depends on the universe.How new is the nation, whats the culture, are guns common or rare?

Basic training about discipline, chain of command, and physical fitness are the fundamentals now, and will be just as valid in your world. Perfectly shined boots and made beds aren't really valuable skills in and of themselves.

Actual combat training, drilling etc depends on what the worlds like and how they'll be used.
>fighting in cities?
Shoothouses and movement drills
>a very limited ammunition supply?
Suppression isn't viable, ammunition discipline, marksmanship and micromanagement by the NCOs becomes important.
>Standardized weapons or not?
Logistics, maintenance, gunsmithing/quatermastery all change.
> Against bandit clans or other nations? Infantry only, technicals, or full combined arms? Conscript or volunteer? Etc etc

Provide more details.

>>34294472
Discipline, customs and courtesies, military culture, and the like would be priority number 1, depending on how long it's been and why things went to shit as well as the geographical location the army could be comprised of starving peasant refugees from the ruins of cities, drunken hillbillies, regressed tribals, or a hodgepodge mix of all of that, so establishing a cohesive martial culture and getting rid of some of that individualism would be vital as would instilling respect for chain of command. Lots of emphasis on marching drills and doing everything as a unit before weapons training is even introduced would likely be a good starting point.

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>>34297463
>Well they didn't need to reinvent the concept, there's books lying around telling them easily how to do it.
Can you really model off a military based purely on "how to run a military for Dummies" type books?

>>34299429
I'm sure field manuals from the actual military would probably be readily accessible if you knew where to look, possibly even training videos depending on tech level.

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>>34299434
Field manuals! Perfect, you're the first anon to mention this. . .thats exactly the answer I was looking for.

Yeah this is basically a Fallout/Post Cold War type setting where there's still plenty of modern guns and ammunition available and the basic knowledge and tech of how to use them. Plus some echo's of modern technology like radios, conventional cameras, etc.

Its just nobody has been in a large active military for a time long time enough for them to have to relearn it. So field manuals will solve the job.

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>>34299448
Here's a good example, Army broken down barney style for new recruits.

>>34299458
Thanks anon. /k/ delivers

>>34294593

This. Otherwise they will turn into a Somali style militia.

>>34298428
caesar's regime is reminiscent of alexander's and genghis'. fast conquests followed by fast fracturing

>>34296992
Have ever met one of their strike teams?
They have AR-15s with magpul and rails loaded with AP ammo.
They strong

>>34294472
small unit tactics and discipline and technical/craft proficiency are all that would be reasonable, unless the "post apoc" scenario can reestablish modern state power and communications tech and logistics. which any serious scenario couldn't.

related: watch the UK anti-nuke film, "Threads"

>>34299458
>the blue book
The blue book is the most basic of basic shit, and a ton of it is customs and courtesies and other things not remotely tactical.

If you want legitimately useful information, you go to the Soldier's Manual of Common Tasks, Ranger Handbook, and ATP 3-21.8.

>>34294472
1.Weapon proficiency/maintainece.
2.Unit loyalty/faction indoctrination.
3.Basic survival/first aid.
4.Patrolling and Combat movement.

>>34294766
>I WON THE LOTTO
>ON THE 'RADO

>>34294472
>discipline
>marching
>marksmanship

post apocalyptic military style
>light "mechanized" infantry
>horses/motorcycle and ATV troops
>as many people on bicycles as possible
being able to go 12mph instead of 3.5mph would be a huge boon. It was a thing in WWI but fell out of favor once most armies could just build trucks cheaply and efficiently.
>big focus on combined arms between mortars, machineguns, and infantry.
>anti bunker/anti armor weapons at the troop/platoon level

>>34302976
>customs and courtesies and other things not remotely tactical
I was going to draw you a pie chart of time spent on base compared to time on maneuvers, but then I remembered you wouldn't understand it.

>>34295954
Do synths have artificial wombs? If so then we can finally make women obsolete. As for OP, you'd definitely want to adopt a single weapon for use and train them proficiently in that firearm, almost to the point where there gunsmiths.

>>34295954
>Synths

Don't get me started on "synths". The Institute cloned your son's DNA to create super smart, super strong cyborgs. So far, so good. Then they put mops in their hands and forced them be slave janitors. WTF? Most expensive Roombas ever.

>>34303589
the kellogg idea of "lets make ourselves immortal cyborgs" is a much neater concept.
>take MIT
>world ends
>super scientists with no moral oversight
>create clone humans
>as an unthinking slave race, not making them a master race to inherit the world of and supersede humanity
>die at the end of your natural lifespan despite the ability to easily extend it
I think your son actually manages to fuck up the CIT. He's the one who both decides to end human augmentation experiments AND to make 3rd gen synths little bitches who despite being walking organic supercomputers who feel no pain can't go terminator on the fleshies and need you to smuggle them guns

>>34297688
He's not wrong, though. People in the west have a hard time imagining tribal/clan culture, which is what you'd be dealing with post-apoc. Any unification attempt would likely be done by force.

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You want to have a separate indoc school where every recruit learns uniform, command structure, the manual of arms for a basic infantry weapon and how to talk like a soldier, and gets brainwashed into the military system. You must change the emotional and social temperament of the recruits, or they'll be liable to rout or otherwise fail under high pressure situations.

After that comes infantry schools, intel schools, specialist schools of various kinds, depending on what you need.

Even if there's no cars and motor pool, you will want cooks and quartermasters.

You also want a separate OCS for A: Generalist bureaucrats B: anyone and everyone who can still read

The really key things to do in order to have a good military are like this

>pick good people for all of the appointed positions, and let them be the ones to apply pressure down the command structure to get things done
>delegate every task to the lowest possible level of command for maximum autonomy and minimum bureaucracy
>create a continuous institutional culture that starts on the first day and only ends with death or discharge

Note that you may wish to have two tiers of military, a militia force and a professional military. The militia can be used as an instrument of political patronage to gain the nominal allegiance of local warlords, and as a stopgap until the proper military can coalesce.

>>34297165

>Living under perpetual, brutal, martial law

>Requiring a nontrivial military presence at all times just to keep a lid on your production and recruitment base.

>Diverting valuable resources from critical military engagements.

>While your production base is reliant on slavery and forced indoctrination.

>Stable

>>34297688
>third world logic and outlook on life
>third world grasp of the english language
It checks out

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Movement wins engagements, those who know how to move under fire dont get pinned down. To move effectively they need to follow orders, hence discipline. And then finally once youre in the right position does your small arms fire have any effect on the enemy. This is for a peer to peer war, not plinking haji off a mud hut from 2-3 hundred yards.
1: Movement
2: Discipline
3: Shooting

>>34298428

You're ignoring logistics.

That population is small compared to the force projection required to operate in the Mojave.

The Legion by and large can live off the land, loot and pillage.

Meanwhile every bullet, bean, bandaid, litre of drinking water and soldier from the California coast has to travel to Las Vegas, on foot or on a Brahmin caravan.

100,000 people with essentially Steam age technology and stone age infrastructure, are not going to be able to sustainably force project thousands of miles across a rugged and perilous continent, into one of its harshest environments.

Not arguing anything about the Legion. They're doomed. But the NCR wasn't going to be able to hold the Mojave. The Mojave needed to be united under a single, local banner and forged into a legit city state of its own.

>>34308145

*Correction 1,000,000 people are not capable of such force projection.

>>34308145

NCR uses vehicles, vertibirds, and importantly rail lines to transport goods too.

The powder Gangers broke out so they can't utilize their railroads in-game, but it's implied at the quarry that the NCR has the logistical power and know how to transport tons of raw materials by rail to Hoover Dam from the quarry do they could build fortifications.

The NCR you encounter in the Mojave isn't necessarily at it's peak performance, so it isn't fair to judge it as it seems to be, but what the capabilities (if Oliver wasn't autistic and understood that the safety of places like NCRCF and Bitter Springs meant more for the safety of the dam itself than a handful of extra soldiers sitting there as cannon fodder) actually are.

>>34299429
Better than not having it at all.

>>34294719
Ooh, don't draw your machete! Whatever will me and my 5.56 military-grade rifle do?

>>34296790
>bethesdrone tries to rebuild society
>starves

>>34298428
>700,000-1,000,000

How large of an army do you think the NCR has? From those numbers I'd estimate maybe 10,000-30,000 active duty troops at any one time. That's quite a small force, really, though it seems wasteland wars aren't all that large.