/SGG/ Shotgun General Thread -- Upgrading from a brass bead edition

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>>34293163
>tactical
Fuck no, impractical is wheres it at.

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>>34293185

I actually want a Shockwave mossberg. For Raisins.

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I had a set of ghost ring sights on this one, but I found them to be too slow.

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>>34293206
I wouldn't mind owning one with wood furniture. Great option for getting something stupid and not having to deal with a stamp.

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>>34293163
bigdot confirmed good sight, plus a wep light, one of the best bead options in my experience

>>34293307

Big Dot + Surefire X300 + Side Saddle is my current setup.

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>>34293163
>tactical shotgun
I can see why you'd want one, and I'll respect that. I'm more of a classic guy though. I might get a leather stock saddle to hold shells though.

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>>34293307
recently picked up a tlr-3 for the 590a1, plus SOE sidesaddles, bigdot, sgl stock, sbe precision aluminum follower, wolff mag spring
currently using an soe bungie sling, gun's just too heavy, could use a 2-point

I need sights for my UTS-15. What are some decent entry-level iron sights you guys suggest? There are sets out there on Amazon for 30 bucks and others for hundreds.

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>>34293388

I keep a Mossberg 500 field around for bird hunting and skeet; I like the wood and steel look as well.

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>>34293470
>UTS-15
I suggest any old wide aperture irons, then throwing out your gun and getting a new one to put those irons on. Of all the shottie bullpups, why did you get the worst one?

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>>34293470

Magpul MBUS

>>34293408

I gave up on a sling for tactical shotguns, I run mine bare now.

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I used a TRS-25 for a little while too.

Great for slugs, but too slow for spread shot.

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best semi auto with a dbm?

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The M4 is a slick scattergat, but damn, it costs too much--even an FN SLP or Remington Versamax is equally as good and about half the price

>>34293607
I'm really only interested in semiauto shotguns at the moment, so is the SLP worth checking out these days? I had no idea it even existed until recently when I was pricing out OEM M4 parts.

I sort of feel like I'll end up with the M4 anyway since benelliparts has both the OEM collapsible stock and 7 round mag tube.

>>34293696

The SLP is fantastic by all accounts, but I can't speak first hand.

I'd stay away from the model with a cantilevered rail coming off the barrel. It would limit your sighting options. The competition gets my thumbs up.

https://fnamerica.com/products/shotguns/fn-slp-competition/

Also, I hate pistol grips on shotguns, tactical or not. Just my opinion.

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>>34293696
>>34293756

I have a 930 JM, it lacks the fit and finish of an FN or Benelli, but it performs all the same.

http://www.mossberg.com/category/series/930/930-jm-pro-series/

>>34293567
i've a 500 with the same furniture, i dig the square-ish shape of the stock, that profile fits muh hand like a glove

>>34293581
*desire for m4 intensifies
im privy to the m2 myself

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Pic from before the XS big dot

Thinking about picking up a henry 12 gauge single shot for "survival" purposes. Any better break action singles out there?

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>>34293185
Agreed.

>>34293581
What mount are you using for the light on your 20" 500?

I took the heatshield off mine so I could mount a tlr-1hl with a streamlight magtube mount. Not sure if I really care about keeping the heatshield on or not anyway but it would be good to have the option.

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Anyone know where you can still get HSGI V1 shall cards? I'm not a fan of the full nylon ones.

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>>34293163
I've got a slightly bubba'd Winchester 1897 Takedown Field Gun and I was wondering if its safe to put modern ammo like slugs through it

I remember the fudd looking fella that checked me out when I bought the shotgun told me to avoid using modern ammo or anything longer than 2 3/4 inches or something like that. So far I've only put 00 buck and federal ammunition bird shot through it.

The shotgun is pretty old (1912) and a fudd fucked it up the barrel a bit by cutting off like 5 inches, dumbass tried to turn a Field Gun into a Riot Gun, so the end of the barrel is a cunt hair uneven.

>>34293696
If you haven't already, while you're checking out benelli's try out the M2

>>34295283

The laserlyte shotgun quad rail bolts right through the factory heat shield's bolt holes

>>34296235
>Winchester 1897
What are the first 3 of the serial?

>>34296789
275

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>>34293163
>tactical shotgun?
>not having an ASSAULT SHOTGUN
Fucking kids these days

>>34296988
That would place the manufacture date between 1904 and 1905. I'd be careful with modern ammo since Winchester only started updating the 97 in the 30s. Does yours have a roll mark on the barrel with what shell sizes the gun can take? Either way, run light loads to avoid undue wear-n-tear.

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>>34297020
Make them dual wieldable.

>>34297035
So avoid using slugs? I was hoping to go do some hog hunting with it, it has 12 stamped on the top of the barrel

>>34297048
>spaschucks
Just the idea of them is banned in california

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>>34293408
same gun before paintjob

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>>34297048
>>34297070

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>>34297048

>>34297052
Just use light loaded slugs, and avoid 3" or bigger shells.

>>34297090
Alright, what loads would you personally use?

>>34297137

There are myriads of light loaded 12g shells. Anything that explicitly says "Light" or "Low Power" loads should work good in older guns. Try and stick to 2 3/4 shells at the most.

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>>34297670
thx m80

>>34297020
>>34297048
What are those hooks for?

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>>34297689
1) carry handle when folded
2) firing one handed when unfolded

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just bought my first shotgun yesterday, already planning to put a collapsing AR-style buttstock on it.

i heard the mossberg brand one was good. anyone have any other suggestions?

>>34297963

>already planning to put a collapsing AR-style buttstock on it.

Don't, especially on a mossberg. It makes reaching the safety more difficult.

If you MUST put a stock on it, go with the Magpul. Personally, I like the factory stock and wouldn't change it.

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>>34298066

interesting point, i was focused on the aesthetics of pic related

functionally i like shooting with a shorter stock on rifles. this feels unwieldy.

>>34298136

Yeah, that will make using the tang safety much more difficult. Stick with the standard style. The Magpul one has inserts that allow you to customize the LoP.

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>>34297048
>ASS TO ASS
>ASS TO ASS

So are shotguns actually viable?

>>34298211

>So are shotguns actually viable?

Do they kill people? Yeah, for sure.

Have they been eclipsed by modern "tactical" carbines? Most certainly.

However, they're still fun, and cool, and nothing is as versatile when it comes to ammunition selection.

>>34298211
>So are shotguns actually viable?
Under no circumstance would I want to be on the wrong end of one, even in armor. I'd call that viable.

Also >>34298228
I'd rather carry a single shotgun into the woods with boxes of various shells rather than 2 or maybe even 3 different guns for different purposes.

>>34298228
>Fun
>Cool
Okay so that is good and all, but from a preppy/chimpout standpoint is there a reason to own one? If you're primary goal is just being well regulated and larping are you better off just putting money into your pistol/carbine setup and buying more ammo?
A2's SPAS pictured by the way.

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>>34298182

thanks for the advice bro

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>>34298260

Not every gun has to be a min/max uber practical purchase. I already have my practical carbine and pistol exactly where I want them, the shotgun is just for fun. And a little 3 gun.

I wouldn't feel underarmed if I found myself in a firefight with it, but I'd certainly prefer my AR if I had my druthers.

>>34298260
>>34298258

>I'd rather carry a single shotgun into the woods with boxes of various shells rather than 2 or maybe even 3 different guns for different purposes.

There's not a rifle in the world that's suitable for upland game/dove/duck hunting; but a shotgun can do that AND still blast big game with slugs. Not OPTIMALLY, but it is capable at least.

>>34296188
I've been having trouble getting a good quality card, nobody seems to have them in stock. I'm considering just getting my old nylon ones and gluing them to pieces of plastic.

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>>34293163
Just got muh snickers snacktical sling

>got an obscure model of shotgun
>love it to death, works great
>spare parts are impossible to reliably get in the US
>if something breaks I'm gonna be screwed
Terrible feel.

>>34293388
It's a classic sure, but it was also as tactical as it could be in its day. Well, till heatshields and bayonet mounts came along

>>34298211
each pellet of 00 buckshot is about the same size and has about the same energy as a single round of .32 acp.
a 12ga shell is the equivalent of a well controlled 9 round automatic burst of .32

>>34299409
You can get express loads that bring it to around a 9mm but at a pellet reduction.

>>34299446
thats like an instantaneous magdump out of a single stack pistol.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=er_pvyeuIp8

>>34296709
Thanks.

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>>34293163
king of good looks imo

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I went to my LGS today and I saw a Sjögren in the racks. They wanted 460 dollars for it. How much of a retard would I be if I didn't buy it?

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I'd like to try something other than the bead sight.

But I also really want to SBS a scattergat and get a salvo 12 and don't know what to get.

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>Who here Zulu

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>>34300823

>>34300721

Lifetime-of-regret-tier retarded, go pick it up.

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>>34300830

>>34300007

No problem.

I meant tri-rail, not quad rail. I'm pretty sure this would work:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Tri-Rail-Barrel-Mount-System-Fits-Remington-Winchester-Mossberg-Shotgun-Quad/272550489797?_trksid=p2045573.c100506.m3226&_trkparms=aid%3D555014%26algo%3DPL.DEFAULT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D41451%26meid%3D4a351e427eff4197bbdb225d554f7fed%26pid%3D100506%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26

>>34300797

The XS Big Dot is pretty slick

https://www.amazon.com/XS-Sight-Systems-SG-2003-3-Trituim/dp/B00PNDX5LU

>>34300007
>>34301252

This is the exact one I have, and I know it worka:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Shotgun-Tri-Rail-Picatinny-Barrel-Light-Laser-Mounting-System-by-Laserlyte-/391701292527?hash=item5b333765ef:g:PGYAAOSwr~lYndrg

>>34300797
Have you considered a red dot?

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>>34300797
>>34300864
>mag tube shorter than an 18" or less barrel
lmao

>>34302912
>remington
lmao

>>34293163
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpr8oqyjKIc

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>>34304214

>dat shell load through the ejection port

Nice.

I wonder if he loads the shotgun offhand or 2+2

>>34297048
>gee bill, why does your mom let you have 2 SPAS 12s?

Hiya, new to /k/ so I hope this isn't the wrong sort of thing to ask.

What are the chances of me finding a left-handed 12ga Wingmaster? I've only poked around online a bit, haven't tried any shows. Have seen some 20ga but no 12. I'd like to get a new gun for hunting (mostly ducks), and I prefer a traditional look to the black composite semi-auto death machines my younger cousins use. If a LH Wingmaster is a pipe dream, is there something else I should look at? I've shot an 870 for years and it's always done me right.

>>34305174
dont know regarding the wingmaster models

http://www.mossberg.com/category/series/500/500-hunting/

mossberg makes lefty versions of the 500, wooden stocks, screw-in chokes, etc

What are my options for sights on a gun that has a (presumably) welded front bead and some sort of obscure European dovetail that doesn't seem to fit anything? I see a lot of clamp on sights that look mixed, are any of those decent?

>>34306210
possibly have a smith drill & tap the receiver to accept a 1913, maybe have one welded on?

decent smith could do essentially anything you want as far as irons go

>>34306325
Sorta hoping to avoid modifying the gun in favor of keeping the warranty I'll probably never need but it an option I'm considering. It's a $150 gun so I'm not super stoked to spend almost as much adding rails to it.

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>>34297048
SPAS TO SPAS

My next shotgun is the Benelli M4 h20

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>>34306392

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iv got a turkish Akkar karatay and a 1935 mugica ibar double barrel
the Akkar is mechanically a great gun, shocking ''blueing'' if it can be called that, have to coat the thing in oil to stop surface rust but it was the cheapest new shotgun in the store by $100

>>34306463
I wanted that but Cabels has that model on back order, so I'm going with the standard model.

any of you guys have any experience with Linberta shotguns? thinking about buying their m4 clone

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Can someone post some aesthetic shotguns

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Guys. Im new to guns, but gonna move to the US soon and wanna buy a home defense weapon.

Everytime I ask the AR/AK fags they tell me to buy a shotgun. Would the Mossberg 591A be a good choice?

Also, what shells are best for homedefense, if I dont want the pellets/slugs to go through walls?

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Sould I cut down my shotgun to 18inches for better HD capabilities? Will I ruin it for hunting if I do? It is currently 26inches

>>34309999
These two videos will answer everything you asked and more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5Za7tfzJcw&t

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjIzKRYkR_0&t

But nope, fuck that lmao too long video fuck this place

>>34310008

Thanks I guess.

>>34309999
>>34310013
I'm pretty sure you have to be either a citizen or a permanent resident in the US to be able to buy a gun. Unless you're going to be either of those I doubt you'll be able to buy one, legally at least.

>>34310160

Im a US expat living his entire life in Europe.

>>34304651
One for each penis.

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>>34309932

Define "aesthetic"

>>34310002

Can't you just buy another barrel and swap them out?

>>34293163
>>>34310002
>
>Can't you just buy another barrel and swap them out?
Can't find a barrel for a weatherby pa08 anywhere and the easiest solution seems to be just cut it

>>34293388
Paul, is that you?

Is the Benelli M2 any good? A friend has the Tactical model and he loves it.

>>34312508

Good?

Yeah, it's great. You pay a lot for it though.

>>34302912
>Getting a stamp to cut the barrel instead of just getting a tube extension

At least you tried

>>34293974
Why are some shells pointing up and some pointing down?

>>34313933
Easier to ID what they are without turning your gun side ways. I'm guessing slugs or buck and bird.

>>34298136
I had one of these by a company called phoenix I think. I hated it. You could adjust it but none of the positions seemed right.

>>34298260
Well I think from a prepper standpoint, a shotgun would be good because it will be great for security, and it would be super easy to find ammo for it.

>>34313961
Oh that makes sense.

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>>34309999
>the AR/AK fags tell me to buy a shotgun
both the shotgun AND carbine can be employed effectively for home defense, no idea why they'd make that recommendation

>Would the Mossberg 590A1 be a good choice?
yeah quality pumpgun. own one, pic. my HD go-to. cliche to call the A1 reliable... but its reliable, big aftermarket for parts, etc. you probably already know this

>what shells are best for homedefense, if I dont want the pellets/slugs to go through walls?
at close range, even birdshot loads will pass through drywall.
#4 buckshot is, imo, the minimum load for personal defense-use in a 12ga.
high-velocity #4 loads will effectively pass through clothing and enough flesh to cause fatal wounds at any possible range within a home (the same cannot be said for many birdshot loads), these pellets will also be stopped more quickly by drywall & wooden studs than, say, 00 buck.
it takes significantly more to stop a slug. avoid slugs entirely if penetration is a pressing concern

does anybody make an 870 magazine extension that sits flush with or slightly past a 28" barrel?

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>>34298228
>"tactical" carbines

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590A1 with ghostrings/sidesaddle/tlr-1s/and mako tri-rail forend

and bayonet of course

>>34313933

Shells pointing down are the slugs, which will likely be loaded directly into the ejection port and are easier to load from that orientation.

The green shells pointing down are buck, which is what's in the tube, and would be used to top off the magazine through the loading port, so they are easier to load from that orientation.

>>34313933
>>34314745

>The green shells pointing down are buck

*pointing up

>>34314147

Thanks for the detailed answer. Thing is Im pretty sure Ill be moving to a cheap apartment in Los Angeles first. Most AR fags pointed out that if I shoot some guy trying to kill/rob me I might kill my neighbors if I start blasting away on a m1a or garand.

>>34316117
gotcha good luck

What load are you guys using? I've been using Zombiemax for a while now but I've been wanting to switch to something with a little bit of spread for home defense and I'm torn between Remington's 12 pellet 0 buck or trying Federal's 12 pellet 00 in 2.75". I'm also considering 1 buck but most 1 buck loads are either terribly inaccurate without heavy chokes or terribly accurate because of those Flitecontrol wads that make patters that are indistinguishable from slugs within 15 yards.

>>34318488

I like the Winchester 00 Buck 100% for aesthetic reasons; the OD green shells and matte black coated brass look sharp. It's also great ammo, I'm sure.

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>>34318488
>>34318516

forgot pic

>>34318516
Winchester can make some good shit, I swear by their .410 000 buck loads but I'm not so convinced on anything outside of the Super X line. Their so called mil-spec ammo is literally the same thing as one of their other hunting focused loadings but in a green case. Of course, this sorta thing is super common and doesn't detract from the quality of the product itself but you're paying a little bit more for the color green. Than again it might be very advantageous to not wear flashy red shells, it's best to keep it muted and natural.