The Ruger Mini-14

>>34292626
They're shit.
Buuuuut I think they look neat.

>>34292626
I liked mine. I sold it and bought an AR, which I like more, but I liked mine.

>>34292626
what's not to like?
it's an m1 carbine in 5.56 and you can convert it to a binary trigger for the cost of a staple

>>34292735
it's an m14 in 5.56

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ITT will be approximately six thousand butthurt AR fanboys who will have autistic meltdowns over the fact that the universe contains a credible alternative to their one and only raifu.

The long and short is this: People who actually own a Mini-14 love them. People who don't will screech on about how much they suck, entirely based on out of date fuddlore.

t: Actual Mini-14 owner.

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>>34292626
Don't listen to the negative nellies on this board. If you want one, get one. If you don't like it, sell it and get a cheap plastic AR meme gun.

>>34292757
OP here. I'm in the process of building a geissele gucci high speed low drag fancy AR.

At the same time, I can't contain my boner for the mini 14, since it seems like the literal anti-AR. I'm also an AK-fag, so maybe I'm just attracted to agricultural funz.

But damn, if a mini 14 ranch with a 30-round mag and a reflex red dot doesn't seem like God's own all-purpose rifle.

>>34292743
it really operates more like an m1 carbine

>>34292799
I'm tempted to get a Mini-14 in .300AAC since I'm in the process of building an M-16A1 clone in 5.56.

>>34292626
If the Mini-14 was STANAG compatible I'd buy one, but since it's not and the proprietary magazine is stupid expensive, FUCK YOU BILL RUGER!

>>34292626
I want one just for fun, but I've never been able to justify the price. It's even harder now that you can get AR's for about half the price.

>>34292626
>What does /k/ think of them

It makes me wonder why they couldn't make a .223 Garand/M-14 without it looking like an abortion.

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>>34293113
I have a new 581 or whatever series and the cheap pro mags feed fine, I have 3.

>>34292626
They're actually very interesting. Jim Sullivan's contributions to firearms technology are often overlooked. He is also responsible for the Ultimax 100, the original Ruger 77 (by far my favorite bolt action ever), had a hand in the development of the M16 and the Stoner 63.

>>34292756

Wrong

Mine was inferior to the AR-15 in every respect. It wasn't a bad rifle, just completely blown away by nearly every other 5.56 rifle.

Nobody in their right mind would buy a Mini over the plethora of modern 5.56 rifles unless Cuckafornia

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>>34292757

>Paying $600+ for a Mini or $1000+ for a "match" versions
>Article literally says108-189 series have inferior QC and accuracy
>Have to bolt a strut on to make it accurate.
>Shitty stock choices

This guide is why Minifags are literally retarded that their A-Team rifle is a better choice than an AR-15, Tavor, AUG, BREN, AR-180 etc. A Mini is a $400 rifle at best, and you should only take it over a KekTec or HiPoint

>>34293674
Add that to how parts only come from Ruger, and how decent magazines are expensive ($35 for a factory 30-rounder compared to $8 for a PMAG or USGI aluminum), and buying a Mini is retarded unless you live in an area where laws prevent you from owning an AR, Sig MCX, etc.

I guess it's pretty neat as an aesthetic curiosity (e.g "I want a Mini just to have a Mini,"), which I can respect. But pretending it's a better weapon for serious work than 80%+ of the rifles on the market is just delusional.

>>34293168
The only AR's worth buying over a mini-14 are still $700-800 and up.

The only AR's that are half the price of a mini 14 are cletus-tier poverty spec rifles that make sense if you're on a ramen budget but are absolutely not worth it if you actually have the extra money to spend.

The mini-14 still has a place, especially if you dig it's fudd aesthetics and have enough spare cash that spending $200-300 more to trigger poorfag PSA/M&P Sport-tier AR owners is NBD.

>proprietary magazine

And..... Fucking DROPPED

>>34292626
Do you want to ride around in a black van with a red spoiler?

>>34293797

This

There's no reason for it to not accept stanag mags apart from rugers greed

>>34293797
I hate to be the one to tell you anon but most guns have proprietary magazines.

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>>34293783
>he doesn't know that a poverty-spec AR is still miles better than a Mini-14

Don't listen to the haters, OP. The Mini is a solid rifle for what you pay. Got mine for $600 with magazines, it's been dependable no matter the conditions.

>>34293783
I have an AR upper I got for $150 from Midway that works perfect. Even a Cletus-tier AR works fine.

If you want a Mini 14 because you want one, go for it, they're fine guns too, but if all you want is a semi auto .223 an AR is cheaper, easier to find, has more readily available replacement parts.

People saying ARs are a better value aren't "haters," they're realistic. That doesn't mean you shouldn't go out and buy a mini if you want one.

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Its a really fun rifle especially with red dot.
Low end of moderately accurate.
Barrel heats quickly, possibility of cook offs with extended rapid fire.

>>34293733
>for serious work

Yeah the mini is sub optimal for rolling around in the grass in an empty plate carrier and practicing for the zombie apocalypse shooting trees on a hiking trail I guess anon.

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>>34293783
>The only AR's worth buying over a mini-14 are still $700-800 and up.

$40 blem forged lower
$100 complete lower parts (regular FCG, milspec buffer and M4 stock)
$400 complete upper with 4150CMV chrome-lined barrel with FSB and 158 mil-spec BCG
$40 for Magpul MBUS

Less than $600 and you have Colt/FN/BCM quality with 95% of it that you can get overnight to your front door with a monster aftermarket.

It's just poorfag or nostalgia glasses. Most people on here do not remember scouring gun shows in the 1990s-2000s for PMI or Ruger 20s because nothing else worked, but a bare bitch neutered Bushmaster was $800 at actual gun shops, and a Mini14 was $500 at most sporting good stores because muh 1990s political correctness.

>>34293797
>>34293853

This desu.

>>34293855
There is literally NO reason to have any 5.56 rifle that isn't STANAG compatible anymore. It's literally a universal magazine.

Plus the Mini pretty much only works with Ruger mags, and PMI was the ONLY aftermarket magazine that worked with low production.

The Mini is a handy little carbine, but even back in the day an SP1 was infinitely better. You faggots don't know how blessed we are to having our cups running over with AR parts.

>>34293859
>>34293903

>I literally said
>The mini-14 still has a place, especially if you dig it's fudd aesthetics and have enough spare cash that spending $200-300 more to trigger poorfag PSA/M&P Sport-tier AR owners is NBD.

Reading comprehension 101, lads!

>>34293620
>the plethora of modern 5.56
Okay, I'll bite: you've got the Mini, the AR, and...?

>>34293674
>Article literally says108-189 series have inferior QC and accuracy
So, you mean those versions of the Mini-14 they haven't made in a dozen years?

>>34293931
>possibility of cook offs with extended rapid fire
Source for that ever actually happening?

>>34292658
They work just fine, it's just that an AR15 is functionally better.

>>34293674
180 series rifles haven't been made since 2005 you goon.

>>34294870
ARfags are just butthurt about the 580's killer build quality and AR-matching groupings, because now they can't even sob about MUH ACCURACY while they clean the powder fouling off their BCG lugs.

>>34293113
>If the Mini-14 was STANAG compatible I'd buy one, but since it's not and the proprietary magazine
This is the stupidest fucking argument ever. Standardizing magazines is important in an organization like NATO that has huge logistical supply chains that supply thousands of magazines to multiple state militaries. It's not even a fucking consideration for a private individual. Yes, I know that /k/ is full of delusional mall ninjas who think they're "operators" and that them and their boys are going to need to be all milspec when they band together to survive the RAHOWA. Nice fantasy. Here in reality, however, you aren't soldiers, your "standard" is what you have around, and if you're not a careless retard who makes a habit of losing magazines, having "standard" ones doesn't really matter.

>Mini-Fagteen fags betting BTFO

>>34294999
I don't want to buy more mags. Why is that a bad thing?

>>34293674
>Tavor
You mean the shitbox that shoots like 6MOA? A current Mini-14 shoots literally half that out of the box.

>>34293620
Some people buy guns just to have them.

>>34293258
It cuts a bunch of the fat.

>>34293853
AR mags weren't everywhere and dirt cheap back when the Mini-14 came out.
You're thinking they're expensive but in reality it closer reflects what an AR mag would cost if it had the same economy of scale.

>>34295023
>I don't want to buy more mags.
I wasn't aware that STANAG magazines were free. Where are they giving them away?

>>34294039
>but even back in the day an SP1 was infinitely better
Because the SP1 is actually really good (still) and Bill wasn't really trying very hard with the Mini-14.

It wasn't until the 80's that the GB and AC556 models were made (I wouldn't say they are as good as an SP1 or M16A1, not by far, but they are very solid rifles) and not until Bill died and the company changed radically where the civilian market Mini-14 was made not shit.

The list of .223 semi-autos that are worse than the Mini-14 is considerably shorter than the list of .223 semi-autos that are better than the Mini-14.

>>34294951
The other guy talks shit he doesn't understand about the Mini-14, but you also talk shit you don't understand about the AR15

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>>34292626
A question: my lGS is selling a used Mini-14 similar to pic related for 675. Worth it?

>>34295083
>The list of .223 semi-autos that are worse than the Mini-14 is considerably shorter than the list of .223 semi-autos that are better than the Mini-14.
Okay, I'll bite: go ahead and give us that list.

>>34295157
No, that's a 180 series rifle, it's worth $300 at best, and shoots 4MOA on a good day, it gets warm fast and groupings widen from there.

An AccuStrut could rein that in and keep the groupings somewhat tighter, but they cost money, and for how much you would spend on this rifle in particular to make it suck less, you could have bought a brand new 581 series Mini-14 from the start, which looks better and shoots much tighter, being overall better made, also weighing less.

>>34292626
Enjoy that open action. especially the part behind the bolt that can easily have a rock fit in there.

>>34293620
>Cuckafornian
Or Communist Wealth of Massachusetts
t. Masshole planning on getting a Mini-14

That said, having a 5.56 semi-auto alternative that's comparable to the AR15 for my freedomless Cuckstate is a Godsend, and I appreciate the rifle for that alone.

>>34293951
I'm talking about if you do anything like take a carbine class, where the plate carrier actually has plates in it, where the trail might have mud that'll seize up your weapon, and where you'll heat up your barrel by firing many rounds through it. For the scenario that you raised, the Mini (which is indeed marketed as a "Ranch Rifle") is perfectly adequate. But you don't have to be military/LEO to come across scenarios more demanding than your mall ninja LARP.

>>34295046
Even if they're not free, they're still vastly cheaper and much easier to source than most proprietary shit because they're produced in bulk. For the price of one factory Mini-14 30-rounder I can literally purchase 4 USGI aluminum magazines and have change left over.

>>34295097
It's OK, it's only bantz, it's nothing

>>34295600
Do you frequently violently roll around in mud and sand dunes?

>>34292756
>>34292757
>People who actually own a Mini-14 love them
This. You get poorfags like:
>>34293113
>>34293168
>>34293674
>>34293733
and telling you how to spend your money. Oh, mag cost 35 clams, rifle costs 700 dollarinos, on and on. I spend 750 somalians on a friday night, what the fuck do I care if a gun costs 750?

>>34292626
This is the best Mini-14 thread EVER!

>>34292626
https://www.classicfirearms.com/amd-65-7-62x39-rifle-with-side-fold-stock-and-black-poly-pistol-grips

I know you're looking for an AR, but I've shot an AMD-65 and a Mini-14 and the experience is very similar. Just putting it out there while they're on sale.

>>34293853
And they're rock-and-lock, at that.

>>34296684
Yeah, pretty much. Look, it's one thing to be a poorfag - been there, done that - but it's another to make like poorfag buying decisions are the best thing ever. That's like trying to convince people that anybody who buys food other than instant ramen and Kraft mac & cheese is just throwing away money.

Poorfag mindset.

>>34293674
>THE PREVIOUS VERSION SUCKED, THEY ALL SUCK

And to add to that I bet you're the type of fag that defends his precious AR from AK fags by shouting "THEY FIXED ALL THE PROBLEMS OF THE VIETNAM ERA GUNS SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP LEFT ARM OF THE FREE WORLD"

neck yourself, anon

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>>34294855
wewlad

>AUG
>Tavor
>RDB
>FS2000
>SCAR
>SL-8
>HK93/clones
>Galil
>SIG556
>SU-16
>5.56 AKs

>>34295769
I was being sarcastic, that's really autistic and you're wasting your money literally LARPing you illiterate faggot

>>34292626
Great form factor. Handy. Meh tier rifle. Only works properly with Ruger mags. Garand safety (why?). Do not spend more than $500 on one. In other words, the new MSRP of $800 is ridiculous

>>34292735
No. Uses a Garand action with a Garand safety. The M1 Carbine safety would be a vast improvement.

>>34295157
>Worth it?
No. Maybe at $500 but that stock is garbage. Get a proper AR or get a full stock Mini.

>>34294887
Not him. But when I shot mine my mags mysterous empted too fast. It was strange, like a two round burst or something. Maybe some other malfunction idk. Also its no joke that it gets stupid hot fast.

>>34296936
beside shitty century builds all of those are almost twice the price of ARs and Minis and many of them arguably worse.

>>34297658
>Your gun never sees the light of day except on a well-maintained indoor or outdoor range
>Hurr pansy not putting your gun through its actual paces
>You take your gun into some classes where you might learn some semi real world scenarios without having to sign a multi-year military contract
>Durr you're just LARPing you illiterate faggot

Why are you so mad that people actually spend money to learn how to use their expensive toys?

>>34292756
Mini-14 is not a credible alternative to the AR, it's not in the same league. The mini-14 is objectively garbage next to even the cheapest AR15.

The mini-14 is the rifle for someone too cheap, weak or poor to own an m-14. I have an m-14 but I don't for a second think it is on the same level as an AR10. It makes a better club and it's pretty, that's about it.

>>34299207
Many words, not one argument.

>>34299214
sorry if reality hurts

>>34299222
Let me know when you've got some instead of a bunch of unsupported assertions.

>>34299214
>reciprocating charging handle
>open action
>heavy piston system
>heavy wood stock
>mounting a scope is a bitch
>proprietary mags
>bad recoil impulse from aforementioned heavy piston system
>not possible to free float barrel
>aftermarket a shit
>expensive
>barrel not chrome lined.
>heavy cast receiver
>cast bolt
>basically all parts are cast in fact
>did I mention it's heavy and expensive with proprietary mags?
>not accurate
>full length guide rod
>not a soldiers gun
>unreliable

>>34299263
Most of that is irrelevant, untrue, or obsolete info, and has been dealt with elsewhere in the thread. The interesting one is "not a soldier's gun". News flash: you're not a soldier, you're just a mall ninja who listens to too much Sabaton while having fantasies about RAHOWA.

>>34299263

I'll give you all that except unreliable. As long as its lubed and using factory mags, it tends to work fine.

Still would rather have a basic bitch AR than a Mini14 GB

>>34299263
Also, complaining simultaneously about "heavy wood stock" and "not a soldier's gun" really shows what a shit-tier poser you are.

>>34293962
Where can you get a complete upper with a chrome-lined chf barrel for $400? Not questioning, I'm legitimately curious because I'm in the middle of my second build right now and this would be extremely helpful

>>34299222
lol he's right you literally provide no justification for your arguments

I think you might need to go back to high school and volunteer on the debate team, that is if you're out of high school yet

>>34299278
>>34299298
the salt is real

>>34299286
Put a little mud on it, see what happens

>>34299298
>implying anyone wants to walk a few miles carrying that heavy pos

>>34299278
There is a reason it's not used by the military; its trash. Why should I handicap myself?

the only reason to ever get aMini-14 is if you aren't allowed to have an AR

>less accurate
>less reliable
>more expensive
>vastly smaller aftermarket

>>34299319
>There is a reason it's not used by the military; its trash. Why should I handicap myself?
>If the military uses it, that means it's good. If the military doesn't use it, that mean s it's trash.
Could you possibly be any more of a know-nothing poser fanboy?

>>34292626
id want one if it didnt have the fucking car-hood of hand guard

Kind of shit, buy one if you like since they dont cost that much. They have the same sort of sycophantic community as the M14, where "I-Its totally as good as a modern analog, as long as (insert Glass bedding, new non-SA receiver, new barrel, hundreds of dollars in other upgrades)", but if you ignore that kind of e-peen shit and enjoy it for what it is then they are quite attractive guns.

>>34299329
If it was good someone would use it.

AFAIK the only professionals who do use it are CHP because they bought a shitload of them for reasons years ago.

Aside from people who shoot people for a living; how many top level competitors use the mini-14?

Has anyone won a three gun comp with a mini-14? How about a long distance match? Has anyone won literally anything that was not exclusively mini-14 with a mini-14?

It's a shit rifle. Deal with it.

Like I said earlier, I have an m-14 and I love it. It looks great, is fun to shoot and gives me that old times feel. But if I had to grab that or one of my ARs and go operate with it or go shoot targets for speed/accuracy I would take an AR without hesitation.

>I'm too poor to afford an M-14 or a Garand: the gun

>>34299363
You're really not digging yourself out of the "I'm a mall ninja poser" thing with this, you know.

>>34299374
Impossible, you can get a Garand for $1K
Even with poorfags, $200 doesn't make or break a sale

>>34299378
Fite me irl fgt

>>34299378
and he's officially run out of arguments.

good job guys, now we just wait for the next mouthbreather who thinks the Mini-14 is anything more than mediocre.

i've got one that i inherited, i really like it. noticed i've been taking it innawoods instead of my AR lately

>>34296936
>Tavor
Shoots like fucking 6 to 8 MOA depending on model, absolutely not better, accuracy is absolutely unacceptable on these rifles.

>SL-8
Bulky sporter that cannot take normal double-stack mags out of the box, requiring replacement parts, like the bolt itself.
It might have better accuracy than a Mini-14 but I would not say it's better at all. I can buy a Mini-14 with a bunch of mags, and have a handier rifle that takes normal magazines out of the box, and I won't approach even half the cost of the SL-8

>SU-16
Batters itself to death in a few thousand rounds, they're flimsy as all shit, even a 180 series Mini-14 runs circles around this thing considering they both don't fare that amazingly under heavy fire.
Doing a bunch of magdumping, the old Mini-14 strings quite a lot as it gets hot, but it'll go back to normal if you let it cool down.
Doing a bunch of magdumping with the SU-16 and it'll sustain serious wear damage.

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>>34299330
There's replacements you can put there, like an Ultimak rail.
You could also have a piece of wood made to fit there.

>>34300101

This meme really needs to die. I own one, and it's a sub 2MOA firearm with good ammo and a good shooter.

The first batch of X95s had a few guns that were highly erratic. The newer gen ones (5XXXX) are GTG and also feature an altered bolt face along with a few other minor tweaks.

X95s are absolutely amazing and it killed my desire to ever touch an AR15 again.

>>34299330
I actually think the plastic handguard is a e s t h e t i c AF on the wood stock 580's. Doubly-so if it's an SS gun.

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>>34294999
Dont act like throwing away $100+ on special snowflake mags is no big deal. I have about 20 STANAG mags and its a real pain to have to buy seperate mags for a gun in the same caliber thay has magazines that look nearly identical, but arent. Its not just logistics, its greed and stupid foolishness.
>inb4 poorfag
Money has nothing to do with it. Theres a difference between having money and being foolish with your money and wastefully spending it. For the hundreds i have spent on magazines, i would rather buy once, cry once and have the rest for ammo, not have to start all over with a new gun.

>>34295769
Show us a picture of your gun with mud on it. Chances are you never get your rifle beyond slightly carboned, yet bitch about "muh reliability factor"
For the average person, average anon at that, they are never going to abuse a rifle to the point where it doesnt function. Neglect maybe, but i hardly call needing it on a muddy trail a deal breaker

T. Owner of ar15 and mini 14

mini 14> m14

kind of fucked up isn't it?

does anyone have durability tests on low end ar15s for what happens if you fall over on them? Or durability tests that actually test the guns durability rather than reliability?
Do you think its possible to break the receivers apart or bend the barrel? Obviously you could snap the charging handle off with probably your bare hands but ts not like its gonna be sticking out. the cheap adjustable stocks could also be snapped off by prying on the gun with your hands I think but its not like the tube under it can get damaged. Im asking this because my fat buddy broke his m&p sport by "falling on it" is he just bullshitting and did something wrong hes trying to hide?

>>34300708
Ill bite, howd he fall on it. What broke? Details anon

>>34300733
He was messing with it while he was walking, it was hanging on his belly and he fell on it, the barrel got pushed into the dirt and he literally had to be helped up so he didn't roll all over it. Now it doesn't shoot the accurate, did he really manage to bend the barrel or something?

>>34293853
They could not convert that action to feed from stanag if they wanted to you dumb fuck

>>34300777
I mean its possible. Did he maybe land on the sights or scope and its just out of sight? I wouldnt be surprised if that happened though

just get a m14 in 6.5 creedmoor

>>34299263

>mini14
>heavy

Pick fucking one you limpwristed beta

Its featherweight

>>34300101

Every week the exageration of the Tavors accuracy gets worse on /k/

>>34293620
This guy is correct. I have three AR's and a Mini-14. The Mini is inferior to the AR in every regard-
>heavier
>less accurate
>less reliable
>picky with proprietary mags
Having said all that it's still cool as shit. I've had it for almost 20 years, it's fun to play with, and it's removed many varmints. My biggest gripe with it is that it's so damn picky with mags. Mine won't feed from any aftermarket mags, they HAVE to be made by Ruger or they won't work.

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Would you fuck the loli pun queen?
You would fuck the loli pun queen

its ok to get a gun just because you like it or want it. not everything has to have a high utilitarian or practical value

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>>34301272
Yes.

I want to imagine her as a shorter, slimmer, younger version of M14, who's maybe dressing as a goth or emo for feeling left out, because she never got any kind of significant contract, and everyone laughs at her accuracy.

Is the Springfield M1a a good gun to get?

I'm in New York and I can't really get an ar10 without making it butt ugly

>>34302395
M14 accuracy is fucking great what are you talking about? There's a reason the military keeps using the platform as an ebr

>>34300101
The SL-8 is honestly a piece of shit considering that you have to spend $1500 just to get a ban-era rifle, and another $1500 in parts and gunsmithing to get it looking anything remotely like a movie rifle.

>>34302480
I'm talking about the Mini-14, the thread topic, the old 180 models had very thin barrels and the gun would start to string it's shot as it got hot.

The M14 has pretty mediocre inherent accuracy compared to an AR10, but I guess you can use it as DMR if you REALLY want to bother.

>>34302480
>There's a reason the military keeps using the platform as an ebr
Because they had them in storage and found they needed more DMRs in the early 2000's as they went into Iraq/Afghanistan?

The EBR stock was kind of a desperate way to make it more suitable for that role, but it's still kind of inadequate. They basically wanted to save money.

>>34302470
It's a perfectly adequate general purpose rifle, if it's a first rifle I would suggest an intermediate rifle first as that is easier, but there's no reason you can't start with a battle rifle, just make sure to learn the fundamentals of marksmanship.

Also I would suggest at least an 18" barrel, the shorter 16" is a noticeable step-down in power, and for the range and velocity you get with a .308 from a 16" barrel, you might as well get a Ruger Mini-30 and get nearly the same performance with cheaper ammo and less of an obnoxious bang.
Unless you genuinely just want a 16" barreled M14 for reasons, then I'm not gonna stop you.

>>34302504
The SL8 is nice if you're a collector with disposable income who really likes H&K and/or Resident Evil

>>34299378
Explain the Garand safety-fcg. It is arguably unsafe in any situation that is not simple static range training.

>>34300136
How does the Ultimak rail affect performance? Does it help with heat or accuracy?

>>34302826
It works well enough.

>>34302850
I couldn't tell you, but being a length of metal sitting next to the barrel, I imagine it might maybe act as a heatsink (if it does, I have no idea how much, and I don't know how this would affect any optic mounted on the rail itself).

As for accuracy, a current 581 series Mini-14 should be able to hit like 3 MOA out of the box, which is dramatically better than the old pre-2006 rifles, and actually kind of impressive for the kind of action it is.

>>34292626
I own a mini 14 and a mini 30. The 14 is great and i've had no complaints of it. The 30 leaves something to desire. I have only steel case 7.62 and I'm too cheap to buy brass. I've had a lot of jams using steel case. I've read they work better with brass, but again I'm cheap. I wonder too if Ruger didn't just resize the gun to 7.62 and didn't do the engineering behind it like they should. It's an older model mini 30 so maybe that also has something to do with my issues. But the mini 14, for the price, can't beat it. And Ruger is a good name in my opinion.

>>34298055
>>34300101
Yeah, let's move the goalposts. The poster I quoted implied there weren't really any other options, and I gave plenty.

>>34292799
it's the rock and lock

>>34302395
jesus that >pic related is accurate

http://www.gunbroker.com/item/658415571

should I?

>>34304263
>http://www.gunbroker.com/item/658415571
Meh, get a PTR instead. Sights are admittedly shit tier compared to the M14, but with optics that becomes a moot point. It's also more accurate due to a free float handguard, easier to maintain in the long term, and magazines can still be found for literally $3 apiece.

>>34304644
I can't get one of those, I'm a NYfag

>>34302395
>younger Mini wears braces (AccuStrut)
>Mini-14 Target is her in a jogging suit showing everyone that she CAN perform, bragging about subMOA groupings

>>34302480
>reading comprehension

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No regrets.

>>34307037
Would probably have picked one with a flash-hider, but other than that, it's an alright working gun, plastic stock with a folder, and a lot of people have decent success with the Tapco mags.

Setup looks a bit cheap, but it does so in a functional way.

>>34302480
>There's a reason the military keeps using the platform as an ebr

Because they have a million of them in storage, not because they are particularly good.

Got a bonus from work and they're on sale at Big5. Should I buy one?

>>34308060
Nah, go with an AR. Ruger AR-556 and S&W M&P Sport II if you feel like saving your coin. I personally lean toward the Savage MSR Patrol if you want something a little more high end (midlength gas system, nicer furniture, M-Lok slots, 223 Wylde chamber, etc.) for only about ~$50-100 more.

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/24396

I'd buy one myself, but I live in a shit-tier state.

If you already have an AR, I'd honestly just spend the bonus on more ammunition or buy something completely different, like a handgun or C&R rifle.

>>34296528
Yes.

>>34308201
Most don't.

>>34292735
>binary trigger for cost of staple

Explain right now

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>>34308088

Have both a S&W Sport II and a Mini-14. I like my Mini-14 better.


Newer Mini-14s have all the problems short of aftermarket fixed. Most Anons tend to recite problems that where common in the 70s-90s As for the magazines. I picked up a Beta-C copy and two of each 20/30/40rd mags for about 160 with shipping and taxes. Factory mags will run you out the ass. Aftermarket is better than what it used to be, but still can't compete with what are available for ARs.

Handle both of them. Get whatever you think feels best.


The only thing I dislike about my Mini-14 is the fact that it isn't chromed with the wood.

>>34308088
I live in a state where full featured AR's are b&. I see no point in getting a cucked AR especially since I can just buy one when I move.

>>34308315
Ah, in that case never mind. I'd still lean toward a something like an Ares SCR (for AR uppers and magazines), but the Mini-14 is still a pretty neat looking weapon in its own right.

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The amount of butt hurt is incredible, especially all the "no mini trash Walmart ar the best" with zero evidence for the price of guaranteed (you)a here's things that a mini can do that an ar15 just ducking will not ever ever do

>accept stripper clips
>cycle aluminum and steel reliabley
>adjustable gas block
>Gas turned off and fiction as straightpull
>action can be locked open after each shot
>which facilitates loading individual rounds or topping of mag from prone without removing mag
>point liike a carbine despite having an 18 inch barrel
>be ergonomic
>fuck, have a realistically useable hold open in the first place
>not have a brass over bolt malfunction

How can ar babies even compete?

>>34292626
Here's the thing about the Mini-14. It's a hell of a gun, a real gun, a heavy gun, a gun that a man uses, and k is full of children, little children, children who need the newest toys, the cheapest toys, the toys their friends have.

It's too expensive for these children, it's over their allowance. They spend $600 to put together an AR variant, they put the cheapest pieces on it, they spend $1300 to trick their shitty AR out, to make it look like a real rifle, to make it look like it's something worth having.

To them, the bells and whistles are the gun, the gun is not the gun. They don't want to spend $1400 on a rifle, they want to spend $1400 on accessories, toys for their toys. It's a mans gun with a mans price and needs no toys, it is a tool.

>>34308398
>>accept stripper clips
have you ever touched a mini?
thats not a thing you can load the mags using a spoon like an ar but theres no guide built into the gun

>>34295026
I still don't understand why people expect sub MOA accuracy out of a combat rifle.
6 inch spread at 100 yards is minute of bad guy.
>implying the tavor is even that bad

>>34308453
The guides are aftermarket, but they exist

>>34308452
>>34308398
I like the Mini but you sound like you're stretching to find reasons why, just out of spite.

>>34308605
Generally, 4MOA is considered the bare minimum for a good combat rifle.
3 is quite good, and anything below is wasted on infantrymen.

>>34299263
Boy you sure are reaching

>>34299363
The problem with that whole argument is the existence of the AR. It doesn't matter what gun we may be talking about, when it comes to rifles the AR has too many advantages over all of its competitors for that argument to be valid for the same reason everything gets compared to glocks

>>34299160
>this level of autism

LOL AR-Fags are the weebs of guns

>>34292626
Theres a mini 14 with the steel side folding stock and birdcage for 1200$ at a local gunstore. Its cool as shit to fingerfuck, but id never pay that much no matter how cool it is.
>>34292757
in this pic its the mini-14gb with the "rare underfolding stock".

It makes me feel like hannibal from the a team.

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>>34310522
They also have a bunch of regular police mini 14s right now. Not my thing but i guess you guys would like it. GT distributors in jax FL

>>34310522
>>34310555
actually 1099.95 for the paratrooper mini14. my bad.

>>34310555
Nine oh fo represent nigga

>>34310579
Duuuuuuuvvvvaaaaalllll.

But serious if you havent checked out GT and you live in jax you should go down there today. Its right by OP high school

>>34310555
Being that it's a GB rifle, and that it has the sought after side-folder, I would say it's actually worth $1000 pretty appropriately.

>>34292626
Maybe you should have built a fixed-stock AR with a 20" pencil profile barrel then?

Is the charging handle really all you want about it?

>>34310619
It might very well be, im just not into mini14s and have other guns id spend 1k on if I had that much to spend. I thought if any mini14 fans were in jax they could get that one, or one of the others they have for about 400 in the pic.

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My Mini-14GB I got off Gunbroker for $500 last month. It's from the prison system.

>>34295157

Mini-14s are ~$500 guns for almost any variant. That's an older model with a pencil barrel too, and the tacticool stock lowers the price a little bit. Shop on Gunbroker for a week or two and you can get a current-production Mini for about $550 shipped.

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>>34295700
>t. Masshole planning on getting a Mini-14

Hello fellow Massbro. Whatever you do don't buy one locally, especially a "ZOMG PREBAN" model like Four Seasons is asking $900 for. Assholes dealers here have never heard of the free market and the Mini-14 isn't restricted yet.

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>>34299319
>>34299363

Militaries never used the Mini-14 because it's an outdated design (the action was designed in 1930 for fuck's sake) mainly made for sporting use. It's not trash, it's just not as good as the AR or AK-74. Like how no one uses Garands these days because a FAL/SCAR/G3 is a better battle rifle.

It's still in heavy use by forces who don't want to look tacticool. Police or national guard type forces, for example, like in France where they use so many of them they bought production rights from Ruger. In the US they were used by police and prisons until ARs became cheaper.

>>34310723
The Army of Bermuda used the Mini-14 for quite a while, and the Royal Ulster constabulary quite enjoyed using it as well, and they still retain stocks of it since the troubles.

>>34310636
>It's from the prison system.
rehabilitated?

>>34296889
>Wasting money on brand name mac and cheese

>>34312073
>not using cheetoh dust
well look at mister salad fork over here

>>34310737
Tapco mags are oddly aesthetic, do they make 20 rounders?

Get an M1 carbine instead. You'll be glad you did.

>>34292626
Please do not get one of these rifles. They are so bad you'll get the worst case of buyers remose afterwards.

>>34308398
>Be ergonomic
I kek'd

>>34292757
I made this guide years ago and I'd like to weigh in to clear up some shitposting in this thread.

First off. ARs are super cheap right now. This has virtually eliminated one of the biggest selling points of the Ruger. In fact Ruger's own AR556 is ~50-40% cheaper than their Mini-14, since aluminum is cheap to machine whereas a cast steel and very complicated receiver isn't.

They are still a good choice if you live in a no fun state. You can still build a Calicucked AR for less, but barring an MSR it just won't be the same because of the AR's godforsaken buffer tube. Seriously, I wish the AR180 was more of a thing so we could have more bufferless AR alternatives.

Finally, I want to discuss the Mini-14s performance. I've owned 3 and have run about 5k riunds between them under a wide variety of circumstances.
Yes, they can fire 5.56. Even the old ones.
Given good magazines they are not picky with any ammo. Even shitty tulammo will run all day.
Accuracy does rapidly degrade on the old models, less so on new ones. This is because the gas system vents right under the handguards.
When a 2nd gen gets hot it's still accurate enough to ring steel at 100yd with irons.
Factory mags are expensive. 2nd gen Tapcos are $10. If mag cost is a turnoff buy those.
The rock in system is annoying, but with practice and maybe an extended magazine release can be done similar to an AK.
The open action is an absolute non-problem. I've never gotten enough dirt or dust in there to cause problems. Then again I don't shovel mud directly onto my guns. I just go innawoods.
If anything the open action is good because if you get erratic ejection there's nothing for a case to hang up on. A lot of FTEs just don't happen.
Field stripping is easy. Unless you want to getthe bolt out. Then it requires a little finesse.
The rear sight on the gen2s is hot garbage. Replace immediately.

>>34313865
Overall.

An AR is generally better and at this time far cheaper.
If you think an AR is "in another league", it absolutely isn't. While it is a more efficient design, if you had one and got in a shootout against someone with a Mini-14 it would probably be a near as makes no difference even match. They're both accurate and reliable enough to do the job.

Why should you buy one?
If you like me love the Garand family (M1, Carbine, M14gery) it's more of the same in a 5.56 or even 7.62x39 rifle. That's awesome.

If you want it as an analog for an AR, get an AR.

Also yes spend the extra dollar on a 2nd gen (580 prefix). The rear sight is shitty but that's a $75 fix. Rebarrelling a 1st gen is far more difficult and expensive. Besides which they aren't target rifles. They are capable of practical accuracy, especially if used as hunting rifles. They're really good beater/inawoods rifles. For SHTF, I would not hesitate to grab a 2nd gen with upgraded rear sight. Sure spare mags are less common but if you have 4 you'll probably die in a firefight long before that becomes a problem.

>>34310555
Get the one on the right. $469 is a steal for a 2nd gen.

The GB is a bit spendy but for what it is I'd buy it but I'm a massive faggot for Mini-14s. It's only worth it if you are as well. As a rifle the cheaper one is better.

>>34313499
>janky-ass 30rd mags
>shorter range by far
>surplus hasn't been dirt cheap in decades
>pay $1000 for one that isn't shitty
I love the carbine but the Mini-14 has numerous advantages, including accuracy.

>>34314088
Oh yeah, that's a 580 series 'Tactical' model, less than $500 is a definite steal for one of those, can't believe someone hasn't snatched that.

>>34308250
Google "mini 14 binary trigger staple" you idiot