Bodies of missing sailors found in U.S. destroyer

>How did they end up on US ship after going missing?
Their bodies were trapped in flooded compartments after the collision.
They were listed as missing because, while it was likely they were in the inaccessible areas, they could have also gone overboard.
You retard.

Jesus Christ Alex Jones go to bed

How the fuck does a navy destroyer get t-boned by a gigantic freighter? They're made to defeat Chinese submarine torpedoes and it runs into a Filipino oil tanker, like holy shit. The CO probably shot himself once he figured out what happened and that's why he's a casualty

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Man remember when ridiculous conspiracy theories were fun? Grey aliens and Bigfoot and the Bermuda Triangle and shit?

I miss those days.

>>34289821
You'd like /x/

>>34289772
Lets do some math, Anon.

The ACX Crystal displaces 29000 tons and was traveling 12 knots at the time of the collision.

This translates to 407020000 foot-pounds force all crunching its way into the destroyer's soft, tender, lightly-armored above water superstructure.

By the way, that's equivalent force to what's produced by 263lb of TNT.

>>34290162
You didn't tell me why one of the most agile warships in the world with top-tier electronic detection systems, radar, 15 people on the bridge, constant communication with the navy, japanese coast guard, civilian controllers etc was rammed by a glacial mountain of a ship that couldn't be missed by a rowing boat. There never should have been a collision in the first place

video of the crash

https://youtu.be/aoxF29RI2Bs?t=6s

>>34290181
But it happened, it sucks but there it is.

>>34290181
They either thought they were fast enough to not get hit or freighter would yield and let them pass or something, which means in both cases the officers operating this shit are made up of retards.

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>>34290181
>There never should have been a collision in the first place

>Muffled "I told you so!" in the distance

>>34290193
this

the captain isn't going to enjoy his next few meetings after he gets out of hospital though

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>>34290162
>407020000 foot-pounds force
>that's equivalent force to what's produced by 263lb of TNT.

>>34290181
It's not a war zone, it's not much different from a car accident involving army vehicles or tanks. They don't become shit because a car didn't stop at a red light and rammed them.

Shit happens. That's all.

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>>34290181

Greatest enemy of the US navy is us navy itself, im sure the admiralty is already busy spending a few millions of tax payer money on researching "unconventional threats at sea" scenarios.

>>34289236
>which came close to sinking after a collision with a container ship off Japan tore a gash under the warship's waterline,

Wait a fucking second how can things like this happen in 2017

I'm about to sign a contract to get to the german navy, never was on a big boat before tho. Kind of scared now.

>>34290265
>Wait a fucking second how can things like this happen in 2017

They don't. The ship wasn't at risk of sinking at all.

>>34290265
US Navy prioritizes affirmative action over competence, and you'll never find competent people who want to work on a fucking ship anyways

Let me tell you a joke.

>US Navy

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>34290238
This

>>34290238
>>34290282
>s-shit happens!!!!

Incompetent retards who would be cashiered out of the service the moment they stepped foot on a ship. Apparently if anything happens ever even though it was completely preventable and two dozen people should have been working together (as per their job descriptions and salaries) to avoid it it's completely fine because DUDE RANDOMNESS LMAO IT WAS AN ACCIDENT XDD. You're right, it did happen, but that's not an excuse and the specific parameters of this incident (a top of the line navy destroyer capable of 30 knots getting tboned by a cargo ship) + 7 deaths mean that heads will roll, as it should be.

>>34290313

My brain regarding this matter immediately jumps to the Chinese and Russian incidents where the two captains of each vessel literally said, "You move." And then the other said, "No, you move." Over and over until they smashed into one another. At least there no one died and it could be paraded as nationalism and not some massive ego fueled fuck up. The captain on the Destroyer probably said, "We're the US Navy, fuck off." And the cargo ship captain probably said, "I am bigger than you, you fuck off." until they collided.

>>34290193
Does it means that USN suck

>>34290271
>there is no such thing as a competent person who enjoys being at sea

Are you an idiot?

Regardless of OP being a troll or not, I honestly do wonder what its like to live with this level of paranoia. What it must be like to spend every day concerned that each plane above you is part of the chemtrail conspiracy, each guy in a suit talking on his cellphone is a CIA spook, each FedEx truck driving down the road is just part of the UN's plan to impose Sharia Law and take your guns, the chemicals in the water is supposed to make the frogs and birds gay for some reason, you threw your microwave out in March, and every time your dog barks its full battle-rattle, tinfoil hat included.

I cant imagine going outside must be that pleasant, meaning that you spend more and more time inside. Watching Youtube-clips about how the earth is flat, the moon in itself is fake, vaccines give people Asperger and autism, everybody else is just sheeple who dont know "the truth" and generally just fueling your own paranoia.

And six years later you show up with a musket at a Chucky Cheese because Alex Jones convinced you Adam Sandler is running a sex-trafficking ring involving Kurt Kobain and Guy Fieri from its basement

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Is there a reason the cargo ship turned around?

http://forum.gcaptain.com/t/uss-fitzgerald-collides-with-acx-crystal-off-coast-of-japan/45129/23

not going to have any answers yet

>>34290350
Who the fuck made that?

I did not avoid the Fitzgerald, the Crystal was most likely running autopilot. After the collision, the autopilot turned the ship back on its original course. Then after 15 minutes, the crew intervened and steered back to the location of the accident.

>>34290181
because the USN is a joke

>>34290348
And now have a look on how many people watch Alex Jones (doesn't matter how much percent of his bullshit they believe) and tell me you aren't concerned about the future of the US.
I can't even imagine how it must feel to be one of the Sandy Hook parents and this guy tells you that all was fake and you are just a liar or an actor.

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>>34290216

>>34290447
>I can't even imagine how it must feel to be one of the Sandy Hook parents and this guy tells you that all was fake and you are just a liar or an actor.
Yeah, being compromised in the middle of a psyop must rustle jimmies hard.

>>34290447
because the USA becoming a majority non-white country is no biggie, but God Forbid people watch Alex Jones

Try finding a speck of proof that Sandy Hook even happened too

>>34289772
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>>34290265
>>34290271
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>>34290438
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/04/27/europe/russian-ship-sinks-black-sea/index.html

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>>34290469

2/10 for effort - made me reply.

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>>34290469
Who could be behind these posts, i wonder...

>>34290470
wow a PoS 60 year old fishing trawler converted into a recon ship sunk

that certainly shadows the absolute fuck up of a millions $$$ top of the line US Navy destroyer

>>34290473
>>34290476
Look it up dumbass, zero blood inside the building, Police were raiding unrelated places, all closed casket funerals
People walking in circles during the event

It was fishy to say the least.

But this is the problem with these modern times, people watch media & believe it.

>>34290162

>/pol/ does science

>>34290485
Please tell me where to look up you proof - Infowars or Breitbart? Or did you drive there yourself and enter the school right after the incident?
Oh wait, crime scenes are off limit to the public until CSI did their job and they are cleaned up afterwards.

>But this is the problem with these modern times, people watch media & believe it.

So where did you get your "information"?

It's a shame that those sailors had to die, especially considering it could have been prevented so easily. If that destroyer had been properly armoured all it would have needed after the crash would have been a new coat of paint.

>>34290511
Simply wrong. A container ship with that much mass would also have damaged a significantly heavier armored ship.

And why would up-armor your destroyers to make them more expensive and slower for an incident that shouldn't have happen in the first place.

>>34290485
>But this is the problem with these modern times, people watch media & believe it.

Do you not see the irony?
I'd suggest getting help if you unironically wrote this while believing in weird conspiracy theories.

>>34290573
Well i mean, if he does go to seek help and they tell him he's crazy, that just means that the doctors are in on the conspiracy and or government agents, and that they are just out to discredit anon and his wild theories

>>34290511
Ramming other ships has always been a part of naval warfare, because it's effective.
Armoring the ships is counter productive because any missile it'd face in actual combat could destroy whatever armor it had anyways, so they chose maneuverability.

>>34290348
You and I can be friends good sir

>>34290348
>And six years later you show up with a musket at a Chucky Cheese because Alex Jones convinced you Adam Sandler is running a sex-trafficking ring involving Kurt Kobain and Guy Fieri from its basement
Heh, i have atleast one uncle that would be open for this theory

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CROWN HIM

His life is over

>>34290238
>It's not a war zone, it's not much different from a car accident involving army vehicles or tanks. They don't become shit because a car didn't stop at a red light and rammed them.
That's not how the colregs work at all. A ship has radar, AIS, binoculars and radio, all for the purpose of avoiding collisions like this. Both the navy ship and the container vessel fucked up in pretty much the worst way possible.

>>34290729
>navy ship and container vessel fucked up
Those are inanimate objects, you silly cunt. They performed their jobs perfectly.

>>34290695
>Implying it's the Captain's fault and not some dipshit E-2 that was steering the ship or not doing their job as a lookout

Whew lad

>>34289236

> How did they end up on US ship after going missing?

Let me explain it in terms you can understand

> play "naughty games" with Father O'Hanratty
> he puts the ice cream sprinkles on your sin hole
> then he pushes them all into your entrails with his love truncheon

It's like that. Only the sprinkles are human bodies.

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>>34289236
were they trapped in there alive?
did they get sealed in?

>>34290740
That may be, but the US navy has a history of punishing the commanding officer in some way or fashion, even if he was not directly responsible
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Point_disaster

>>34290751

I think they got crushed, the damage on the hull seems too high for flooding.

>>34289236
>How did they end up on US ship after going missing?
It happened in the middle of the night. Most of the crew was asleep except for the people on watch. Those people on watch were probably shitbags who were not minding their stations and not paying attention because it's the middle of the night and 'nothing ever happens in the middle of the night'.
The cargo ship hit two berthing areas where everybody else was asleep. Those people were sleeping, got rocked hard as hell out of their racks. The people who weren't unconscious were dazed as hell. The ones who died were probably knocked out or were too slow and got locked in a flooded compartment. It's a shitty way to die.

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>>34290751
Depending on the hole size, the compartment probably flooded too quickly. It was also the middle of the night so everyone was fast asleep too. Since it's a berthing below the waterline, it's accessed by a watertight hatch like pic related. While underway, the hatch is usually shut and only the small, round scuttle is open for traffic. As soon as general quarters is called (like right after a collision) material condition "zebra" is set and that scuttle is shut to prevent the spread of fire, smoke etc throughout the ship. If the sailors were knocked unconscious or power was lost to the berthing and they couldn't find the hatch in the dark, the hatch wouldn't be opened until the repair party investigators came to assess the damage.

>>34290777
Nice trips, but there was damage below the waterline too. What's visible in pictures is where the bow impacted. Underwater, these ships have what's called a "bulbous bow" almost like an old trireme and that's likely what struck below decks.

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>>34290823
Forgot pic

>>34290812
Also, ask me anything. I'm in the Damage Control Training team on board my ship so I have a pretty good idea of how things went down immediately following the collision.

>>34290838
So how did it go down after the collision?

>>34290838
What is the SOP

>>34290470
That doesn't change the fact that the USN is a joke. Burger BTFO

>>34290838
>>34290812

Wait, does that mean someone closed that scuttle very well knowing that there still might be people down there unable to escape or in need of assistance?

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>>34290838
jesus christ, they were trapped in there and drowned in the dark?
or did they just get crushed by the bulb?

i would keep a glowstick on me at all times on a ship because of this fear

>>34290863
They likely did. When general quarters is called you shut all openings to the ship. The doctrine is to save the ship and the life of everybody else. If you're stuck down there may god help you.

>>34290863

There's a balance between saving a couple of people and not losing the ship.

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>>34290863
Keeping it open could mean more compartments are flooded, increasing the risk to sink the whole ship.
But yeah, the thought of being trapped in there is not a pleasant one.

>>34290863
>he doesn't hate enlisted niggers enough to use this as an excuse

Fuck Jamal and his lazy friends. I hope they became one with the wall.

>>34290850
>>34290846
After the hit, the general quarters alarm would be sounded. All hands would muster at their assigned battle stations and simultaneously set condition zebra(shutting doors, hatches and scuttles to provide the maximum amount of water-tightness) The sailors assigned to repair lockers(designated compartments where firefighting, desmoking, dewatering equipment etc is stored) would dress out in protective equipment and then the repair party investigators from each locker would go through their locker's designated spaces to look for smoke, fire, flooding, busted pipes etc.. once the flooding was located, the space would be electronically isolated to prevent shock and then "dewatering" would begin. Depending on the severity of the flooding, other repair parties might be called in as backup and together they would start pumping the water out of the space and over the side using whatever portable pumps or eductors were on hand. Normally another select group would enter the space to try and stop the leak, though I suspect in this case, with a hull breach like that, all you can do is try to get water out as fast as it comes in. I also suspect they weren't able to dewater as fast as they were taking on water and had to just seal the space til they could limp back to port. That would also explain why the bodies weren't recovered for so long.

>>34290867
Probably a combination of both.

>>34290372
>I did not avoid the Fitzgerald
Were you drunk when your ships collided?

>>34290904
Hopefully they would have sounded the collision alarm before hand, which i'm guessing they did since more didn't die.

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>>34290867
Wait, so it's better for you to drown in the light, but not in the dark?

>>34290350
container ship did not show up on radar!
had minimal lighting
was seen at last moment
Fitz took evasive action.
Captain was asleep in cabin was injured from collision
OOW is fucked.
Happened just after watch change. 2am
everyone is at lowest alert level at this time, body clock.
very busy shipping lane. vessels coming at you from every direction.
Container vessel turned back after collision to offer assistance. then continued on course.
time line is different to media report / local v GMT etc.

>>34290920
if its light you can find your way to the hatch and get out instead of fumbling around in pitch black in a destroyed room

>>34290934
We also put photoluminescence tape of everything important like hatches, ladders, etc so it can be found in the dark. Red colored lights are supposed to be on at all times and this keeps the glow in the dark stuff charged. I know very few berthings where they actually keep the red lights on for obvious reasons (shit sucks when you're trying to sleep) so of they had theirs off, it would be pretty much pitch black in there.

>>34290934
I see, just a way to give yourself a chance. Quite optimistic.

>>34290313
Have you taken your meds today?

>>34290348
You, i like you

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>>34290812
>>34290838
>>34290876
>>34290888
>>34290890
>>34290904
>>34290912
>>34290918
so how does one avoid waking up in absolute darkness in a room warped by damage so you cant find the exit, and water slowly fills the room and you drown in pitch darkness like a blind rat in a submerged shoebox

>>34290968
he doesn't need to
because he's right

>>34290974
ecrof ria eht nioj

>>34290974
kill yourself some other way

>>34290974
Don't join the navy.

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>>34290974
Having competent commanders on your ship.

>>34290974
Only crazy people join the navy

>>34290923
>container ship did not show up on radar!

They had their AIS on and it's a fuckhuge container ship, how would it not show up on radar?

>>34290904
Good Post. Thank you

>>34290350
Is this picture actually real?

>>34290350
Because it rammed a US destroyer?

>>34290181
AHAHAHAHAH US NAVY BTFO
HOW CAN THEY RECOVER

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>>34290974

sleep very lightly, keep a PFD and a waterproof flashlight within arms reach of you rack (i did this). some people literately had emergency bug out bags in their lockers

Also there is usually glow in the dark exit tape with arrows all over so you can find your way if disoriented. I always blind folded new guys on our boat and had them memorize the way to the outside of the boat for just such a situation.

Also in our damage control classes we were taught that if where was a hole in the ship and we ran out of objects to stuff into it, and there were dead bodies, you can stuff bodies in the hole to save the ship as a last resort.

With fires, if there are injured that cannot be immediately moved, sometimes you need to kick the bodies out of the way to get to the fire, somebody has the specific job of getting bodies and rescuing, everybody else has a different specific job to make sure the ship has the greatest chance of survival.

>>34290923
mid watch is 2330-0330 in my experience, unless it was 2 or 3 hour watches, i guess that depends on the ship SOP

>>34290876
holy shit...

>>34291080
What was in those emergency bug out bags? I imagine they must have been quite different than the average /k/ bob, since you cannot simply grab SKS and go inna water.

>>34291117
Well it's either that or the whole ship floods and even more people drown. They can be opened from both sides so it's not like you're locked in there, but it will slow you down getting out.

You have to remember in these cases that the safety of the ship and the rest of the crew trumps the safety of a few crew that might possibly maybe be alive in a damaged location. You can seal it off and condemn a handful of guys or not seal it and condemn a boat load.

>>34290974
Only sleep outside on deck.

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>>34291052

The track line is real, but im still not rue about the timeline of when the collision happened, there is quite a bit of variance (2-230 am) being reported, but it could have been earlier or later, there was an AIS lat and lon posted for half hour intervals in a different thread you could look it up and use the timeline to figure out what happened

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Does nobody remember when Midway was hit by a frieghter in the phillipine sea? My old man was on it when it happened. Captain was removed from duty the next day. This shit happens.

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>>34291121

Mostly things like chem lights, emergency snacks/MREs, water bottles, those mylar blankets, survival knives, sunblock, commercial dye markers, basically things to get seen, not die from hypothermia, and not die from starvation or dehydration

They were for the event of abandoning ship after all.

>>34291117

emergency drills are well rehearsed, move to a designated area in a designated direction on a designated side of the ship, opening and immediately closing all doors, hatches, and scuttles as you do so. You might be the first or the last person to go through a door, but you close it all the same.

>>34291141
>This shit happens.

Yeah, no. The freighter probably had no radar back then, no GPS, no AIS, no automatic collision warning.
I would understand a collision in a crowded harbour but out in the open sea - major fuckup.

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>>34291167

Is automatic collision warning a thing?

I alsways thought that the radar would say closest point of approach and then the bridge wold determine course of action (in extreme cases say brace for impact over the intercom) sometimes captains like to play chicken too, it could have been one of them said fuck it Ive got places to go, aint no way im moving for some boat

It could have also been one of them was not displaying proper night time light signals

someone could have been scanning a different area on high level zoom and forgot to zoom back out, and the ship was never seen on radar

>cargo ship aproaches from Fitzgerald's starboard side and tries to cross her path

all this proves is that asians sail at sea as well as they drive on land

>>34291117

on older ships like big gun cruisers and battleships/battlecruisers they would flood the powder magazines with men still inside rather risk an explosion that would destroy the entire boat like pic related

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdrISbwy_zI

>>34289236
thats why i hate trump supporters

>>34290968
Have you ever been in a position of power or decisiveness in your life? It's all true, if you were a babysitter and the kid drowned in the pool while you weren't looking you can't just say it was a random act of god, more likely the father comes home and beats you to death with a fireplace poker.

>>34291167
I can only imagine radar was a common sight in the 80's. Its not like it was a magic time machine technology.

>>34291195
WW2 IJN damage control mainly consisted of human sacrifice through counter-flooding, if i remember correctly

>>34291191
>Is automatic collision warning a thing?

Not sure if already in widespread use but there are several patents for maritime collision warning systems.
But of course radar and AIS are a great aid to avoid collisions:

Check e.g. boatingmag com
/gear/collision-avoidance-tools

>>34291236
Anything to please the machine gods, i suppose

>>34291224
The Midway for sure had radar but was under EMCON and I couldn't find if the freighter already had one. However, they for sure didn't have the same level of electronic aid (like AIS) as we have now.

>>34290313
Submarines ram shit all the fucking time, civilian and navy ships ram each other all the fucking time, what's so fucking different here? Maybe stop reacting like a child and chill down

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>Helmsman, left 10 degrees rudder
>left 10 degrees rudder aye
>*swings rudder controls 10 degrees right*
>crunch.mp3
>OOD contemplates jumping overboard
>decides to go into berthing and lets the water drown him

>>34291279
My dad told me they were spying on vietnamese radio traffic and had all lights and radars off... and the ship that hit them was carrying illegal cargo and had all its lights off and they hit during the night

>>34290740
>implying it isn't the captain's responsibility to ensure competence among his crew

>>34291294

Tankers hit fishing boats all the time in the persian gulf, fishermen just say YOLO inshallah

preventable accidents, but why have lights on a boat that just cost more,

Radar images can be skewed by how high off the water the radar mast is, that's why you still need competent lookouts (who don't sleep on watch)

>>34290867
>be on ship with mates
>wut was that crash
>oh hell we trapped in dark compartment is flooding
>some faggot pulls out a glow stick starts prancing around
>me and mates beat hime to death just before we drown
>it is don't ask don't tell you fag you just told

>>34291294
Nice story - and probably not far away from the truth.

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>>34291080
What is happening in this photo. Yes I know it's training. But what is the drill here?

>>34291305
>>34290740

Some dipsit e-2 might have been responsible, but the captain signs off that the E-2 was compentant to perform any task assigned, therefore it was the captains call to let that E-2 do his job, so it's the captains fault, also captains get a special "command pay" on top of their paycheck as compensation for the responsibility.

ITs like if you are at the range, and you let your 10y/o shoot your gun, and the kid shoots other people, its YOUR FAULT because you incorrectly assumed the child was competent to use the firearm

>>34291321
Probably related to something like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lp7BBfRPGds

>>34291321

Probably egressing the last man from a space after he was unable to control the flooding and it got too high over his head.

I have heard of actual flooding incidents where someone accidentally opened a sea chest (it was right next to an identical plate for a void or some other system- genius engineers) and almost sank the ship. people tried to fix it until the entire space flooded. fortunately ,there were divers on board and were able to dive into the space and seal off the hole.

>>34291321
The darkie was caught with a jelly donut in its footlocker so they are jettisoning it out to sea for the good of the ship.

Happens more often than you would think.

As a professional sailor, merchant and military, the lack of knowledge itt makes me laugh and cringe at the same time

>all these people thinking shit will happen to the captain

Reminder that when a Los Angeles sub literally sank a boat because they were trying to impress people they weren't even get court martial. The captain got honorable discharge.

You think heads will roll for something like this?

>>34291374
How you like the merchant gig? I get out of the USN in about a year and I'm considering it.

>>34291322
E-2 = 10 year old.

>>34291386
Depends on what platform you get on

>>34291385
I mean, he definitely won't be captain anymore. They'll probably just force retire him though.

>>34291394
How much better is the pay? General quality of life?

>>34291374
what about the paranoia?

>>34291403
Again, depends on the platform and position.
But I'm happy where I'm at. I do military contractor stuff so life is good

>>34291393

In terms of training and experience, This is comparable, a 17y/o e-2 with a few months in is not likely to be as well versed in nautical operations as an 0-5 with 10 years. Boot camp might prepare someone for some of the operations, but specific scenarios are taught on the ship over a tour of duty

>>34291418
Sounds pretty chill. Do they take you fresh out of the Navy or is there some kind of trade school you go to first?

>>34291396
Nah, he'll probably be fine in terms of career. He was in his berth sleeping at the time. The OOD is going together 100% fucked though legally

>>34291385

Probably a case of 'either you resign your commission and you'll get an honorable discharge, or this is going to a court martial.'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5r7VA845JR8

G-guys stop this, I wanted to go to the navy next year...

>>34290867
That one lunatic who's always in 'rave' mode

>>34291499
You'll be completely fine. Just don't join as a Nuke

>>34290470
Stupid dumb butthurt amertifugg mexican. kek

ps: nice fake """news""" source too. you're really fucking retarded.

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>>34290867

>>34291236
It mainly consisted of making things worse.
There was one time where there was an avgas leak, so some schmuck turned on the ventilation system, which made the whole carrier fill with avgas fumes, which promptly ignited because IJN ships were a fire hazard. They also had bad habits of leaving fuel barrels and hoses lying around, so their decks became infernos if they got strafed.

>>34291499
What the fuck is wrong with you?

>>34291150
what is this picture of? does the US Navy press gang children into damage control parties?

>>34290904
What happens if the hatch is inoperable? Do they always have multiple entry points to crew quarters or is it required to have just one?

>>34290923
>container ship did not show up on radar!
What the fuck is this stealth technology they're using on flip container ships now?

>>34289821
I can't tell if I just learned to tune them all out because I've gotten older and realized how ridiculous they all were, or if the entire chons just got older and thus, no longer cares or talks about ridiculous conspiracy theories any more...

>>34290348
It's a sad thing. Probably just one of the frequencies "they" want the population to tune in to.

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>>34291732
Repair lockers have cutting equipment for such cases

>>34291080
>breaking down mentally and physically
>need help of 2 men
so this is the power of women

>>34290920
Would you rather be raped in the dark, or broad daylight?

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>>34291264
So it was a head-on situation? Was no one looking out the window?

>>34290863
Yep. Some ships have hydraulically operated watertight doors. In case of flooding, the captain can shut them remotely from the bridge. Those doors are heavy and are operated by ±300 bar hydraulic oil. When they close, an alarm bell rings, because the door will pinch your arm off if it gets stuck between the door when it closes.
Deciding to close them in case of emergency is never easy but necessary. Sacrifice a few to save the many.

>>34291931
where in the excerpt did you infer that from?

>>34291046
Blind spots on the radar, maybe? Although I think that a vessel like that destroyer would be designed without impeding the radar.

>>34292006
Giving way to ships on the starboard side. If it was a crossing situation it would look like the DDG didn't give way when it was suppose to.

>>34292039
starting from a head on position, what maneuvers would both ships be doing to incur the damage they took?

>>34290510
there is actually some fairly convincing YouTube videos explaining the theory

>>34292039
>>34292237
The damage would be different if it was a head on strike. The Burke was hit amid ship, and it looks like a glancing blow.

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Seven sailors trapped and killed is horrific enough, but imagine 400+
Ships can be some scary shit.

>>34292012
I doubt it, those destroyers have some of the most advanced radars. It's more likely they were under EMCON and active radar was shut off.
But every commercial ship now has an AIS transponder which permanetly sends out position, course and speed over ground etc. - even under EMCON they should have received that.

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>>34290974
well, here's the thing... I'm infantry... but I'm not fucking stupid enough to be on ship or work as a nuke... it takes a special type of stupid to be a nuke
now, lets break this down. I LITERALLY go out of my way to dick around with things that are meant to kill me. but, you will never find me in a sub or a ship longer than I need to be
TL;DR
If you don't wanna drown, don't join the fucking Navy

>>34291291
... did someone actually sit down and draw a penis using Porter shitters image pastes, on the rear deck of a US navy vessel?

>>34292371
It's a pretty good deal honestly. Rates of dying in the navy are far below infantry types anyway. Plus, Rangers and shit do waaaay more swimming than like 95% of the Navy.

>>34292256
There are fairly convincing videos on YouTube about many things. If you pull enough 'alternative facts' out of your ass and pack it into a seemingly sound story enough gullible people will believe you.
Since most people can't be bothered or have the means to check the validity of the presented arguments those conspiracy theories live on for ages - but that doesn't make them anything more than fiction.

And now consider for a moment Sandy Hook happened exactly as officially reported. One of your children was murdered and on top of that people accuse you of being part of a government conspiracy, a liar and actor.
I'd probably want to choke the conspiracy theorists with my bare hands.

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https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3803602&pagenumber=25#post473505233

So, I was on the collision yesterday. I am the FITZ DCA. I'll put that out there now for everyone. I don't care.
The collision happened around 0130. I remember looking at my watch when I felt the ship do a strange maneuver. It woke me up.
I know that basic damage control saved my ship yesterday. We battled to keep her stable for 19 hours. The first 8 were the worst and fastest of my life.
If you guys have questions, I will answer what I can within the guidelines I have.

>>34292478
>DCA

No you're not.

>>34292478
My dad was on the USS Nintendo

>>34292511
Mine too. What's your dads name?

>>34292516
Shigiru Minamoto

>>34292484
I am quoting

>>34292516
D. Kong

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>>34290181
>>34290200
New required reading for all destroyer crews.

>>34292529
WTF? Are we brothers?

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>>34289236

>Join the navy

>Serve Israeli foreign policy

>Get killed by container ship

Holy kek.

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>>34292590
The Navy hates this trick!
Click here to find out more

>>34291150
>>34291321
They're trying to stop the blood mushrooms from spreading

>>34291322
That's how it works in the Navy.
In the other branches though, an officer will almost never take the blame. The buck stops at the enlisted man there. lol

>Muh steel construction

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>>34291732
better hope you can escape bruf, especially from some of the lower spaces in the ship. Thats why you get the berthing witht the biggest mothafukas and make sure you keep tools nearby

>>34291708
probably told the people to wear something other than uniforms for the trainer, leave it to the female sailor to wear a white shirt for an exercise involving lots of water and heavy concentration requirements

>>34291732

Sometimes water can force doors shut, thats why there is planning on which direction doors open. You want the water to press the door closed when its a space that you wouldn't normally be in. This works against you when you are trying to open a door to a flooded space, thats when people die

Not all spaces have more than one exit, most only have one. Places where fires might break out may have an emergency escape hatch.

Concussions and impacts can warp door frames making doors inoperable, te round shape of doors helps with the structural integrity, but deformation is likely, sometimes you need to stuff anything you can find into door holes to stop flooding (mattresses, hats, anime body pillows, etc.)

>>34290454
...For what purpose was that .gif made?
>It's shaped like a plane! A PLANE!
Yes, thank you!

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>>34292544

>>34292691
>Friend from AFROTC goes on to be a maintenance flight commander
>Some A1C rams an aircraft with a cargo loader; causing visible damage
>Maintainers gather round, check it out, shrug and say it looks ok, just a dent lol
>Send the aircraft along because it's fine lol!
>Buddy doesn't hear about this until the plane has left and is en route to it's destination.
>Buddy goes full Defcon 1, they have to contact the aircraft, lock everything down.
>Plane lands fine, but had pretty decent structural damage from the hit.
>buddy has to come to god with the Squadron commander, massive black mark on his career that effectively sunk it.
>A1C and the rest of the enlisted who allowed it to happen get off far lighter

ya man ur rite

>>34291150
>rest of the team desperately trying to save the ship
>seaman crystal is flirting with DC1 in her see-through top
i'm guessing a woman was the OOD when all this went down.

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What's this round thing?

>>34293149
a spotlight

>>34293149
It's a grill for steel beach picnics

>>34290447

Yea, becuase after every mass shooting the government completely destroys the building, signs all contractors to non-disclosure agreements, and has the debris buried in a special secure area.

>>34293251
I forgot: and completely destroy the home of the 'shooter' as well.


http://nypost.com/2013/10/15/sandy-hook-demolition-team-sworn-to-secrecy/

>>34293312
If this is your only "proof" that nobody was killed and all was set up by the evil gubmint to take away your guns then I can't help you. I suppose anything lesser than a walk around in the school directly after the crime won't convince you.

>>34293421

I didnt offer any proof. I never said anyone wasnt killed. You reading WAY more into my point that what is there.

I simply find it STRANGE that the government would go through such effort after a shooting. After all, this is the government that orchestrated 'fast and furious'.

>>34293149
it's probably how they get satellite tv

like realtalk thats a ghz scale antenna, it's actually legit realtalk probably their internet and tv hookup

can someone post the memes from all the russian ship collisions...
does this mean US navy a joke...wheres the shitstorm?muh monkey model

>>34291080
>some people literately had emergency bug out bags in their lockers
is this not normal? on canadian frigates, they issue you those, and if you leave canadian or US waters they order that you have to have it on you at all times. it's called a "war belt" and has a PFD and an entire ship abandonment suit on it. more permanent people also get flash gear and safety goggles and shit like that for action stations. even just puttering around the coast for PR stuff and routine training, they recommend you put it in your rack in the little space just ahead of your bed and to never lock it up.

>>34290974
lots and lots of drills. idk about the US but here in canada we're also issued "Know Your Ship (KYS) Books" that are basically just little map booklets, but the goal is to get some colored pencils and tour the ship to color in where all the emergency gear is and how best to get the fuck out of your usual hangouts in case of emergency. the idea is that having to fill in the map yourself before it becomes usable is supposed to better engrain where stuff is. And canadian ships are fairly small, so it's definitely all do-able. there's also a section for signatures from more senior personnel (usually engineers) that attest that you understand the various systems of the ship that you care about; where all the firefighting gear is, where the firemain runs and how to isolate it, the various hazards in spaces, how to reach people without running around and doing it in person, etc.

>>34290812
>material condition "zebra"
wtf you fake nigger it's "zulu"

>>34291502
what a madman. what a legend.