what is america going to do?

>>34287345
>airdroppable
>amphibious

can burgs even compete?

Any APC or IFV really. Russian armored vehicles are notorious deathtraps, whereas the worst of the American armored fleet are just overpriced and not by default sufficiently armored for a COIN role.

the strike eagle package is better than all Russian land vehicles.

>>34287339
>What is america going to do?

Not fight a land war.

They have the strongest air force and navy in the world. Sure, they'll need to use tanks to an extent but they won't be as needed when things can be glassed from 8 miles up.

>>34287345
>3d6 smoke grenades

I mean, it sounds good, but just wait until you roll all ones.

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>>34287598
right

>>34287699
>turns radar on
>gets hit by anti-radiation missile

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>>34287339
Russia stronk.....BLYAT!

>>34287339
>name one better land vehicle than the russian counterpart

Abrams, Bradley, Stryker.

>>34287370

You're forgetting that America relies on M113s, Piranhas and fucking M2 Bradleys, which are BMP-1 tier for survival.

>>34287883
M113's are rear line utility, America does not use Piranha's and even then both Piranha's and Bradleys have significantly better protection than a BMP-1.

>>34287883
Literally not frontline unit uses the M113 anymore, the issues with the Stryker are with its mobility rather than its survivability (particularly when slat amror kits are fitted) and the Bradley has an excellent record of survivability except against IEDs, a shortcoming it has received numerous upgrade packages to address.

>>34288015
>America does not use Piranha's
"it's a stryker, not a pirahna!" said the short man in his nasally, perpetually irritated voice. Undeterred by the fact the Stryker is a barely altered modification of a 40 year old Swiss design, he pressed on "They're completely different vehicles! The Stryker is indigineously developed, 100% made in America! Any similarities are purely coincidental! When has America EVER used armored vehicles designed by foreigners?! Never!" He concluded with a nod, tugging the hem of his multicam tunic to free the fabric that had bunched in the rolls of his fat, then returning to the bench to slam another 30 rounds into his AR-15.

>>34289536
>Having this much of a chip on your shoulder while being wrong
Where does this persecution complex come from?
Besides, Strykers are a copy of the Canadian LAV 3, which has a completely redesigned hull and only uses the chassis design of the Piranha 3. We both know you know this already, but I guess asshurt anti-American rants can make us say silly things, huh?

>>34289597
I'm not the guy you originally wrote that and I'm from a country that uses pirahnas for the past 40 years since the Armoured Vehicle General Purpose

>>34289597
>Where does this persecution complex come from?
Vatniks are well known for their crippling inferiority complex and the mere mention of America is enough to send them into a spastic fit.

>>34287614
Underrated post.

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>34287339
So how's your economy doing?

SHOO SHOO VATNIKS

american armour is crap and that's by design, their air force and navy are so superior they dont give a shit about whats on the ground

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>>34287699
nothing personal, but your technology is 100 years too old to be challenging me

>>34289710
> Buys 14 billion dollars of tanks
> No more pensions for anyone.

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>>34287728

>>34289644

The funny thing was I remember seeing threads where the Putin bots would say how much America was full of animosity against Russia. Those slavniggers are literally rabid pits whenever they think of America.

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>>34287339
>what is america going to do?
probably work on their popcorn making systems

>>34287339
I wish I had a bait picture on my phone.

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>>34289536
Cringe

Leopard 2A6/7>any other tank
Also, PzH2000>any other self-propelled artillery.

The rest of our stuff sucks ass tho.

>>34287339
It's not going to be exclusively a land war. Your point is m00t

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>>34287699
>be US pilot
>use secret Shadow Clone Technique
>your move mr. SAM man

>>34290309
Not to mention all the Griffin missiles on our transports

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>>34287699
>activates Senior Suter to retarget your missiles onto their own HQ
>pssh...nothing personell...kid

>>34287353
Imagine russians airdropping their tanks onto US aircraft carriers.

>>34290027
>probably work on their popcorn making systems
Aegis?

>>34287339
>t90 shits on abrams
No they don't

>name one better land vehicle than the russian counterpart.
Literally all of them.

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Bet my left nut OP and his friends are either 15 year olds playing call of duty wishing for some ungodly reason they were born in The Soviet Union, or complete and total vatniks trying to find some kind of petty excuse to be proud of his corrupt, drunken, shithole of a country.


Either way, go home summerfags.

>>34287728
how how in fucks name do you overshoot like that I get it you are arty direct fire is a foreign thing but for fucks sakes

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>>34288038
>the issues with the Stryker are with its mobility rather than its survivability (particularly when slat amror kits are fitted) and the Bradley has an excellent record of survivability except against IEDs

What kind of crap is this?

The Canadian Piranha IIIs have only basic survivability against small arms and heavy machine gun fire only from the frontal aspect. They're fucked against every other weapon. Can you imagine what would happen to a BCT if they entered the Ukrainian conflict and were hit with MLRS with sub-munitions, like the thousands of Hohols that were incinerated in their armored vehicles in East Ukraine?

Same goes for the Bradley, which melts so fast and hot when on fire, its strips paint off vehicles parked tens of yards away.

And the M113 is your main battlefield tractor. A few front line Brigades have shitty Canadian LAVs, the rest of the army moves by flat bed truck or M113 as they did in Vietnam.

The US armed forces are extremely poorly prepared to fight a ground war against anyone but roving gangs of sand niggers on pick-ups.

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>>34292633
>No they don't
yes they do
>Literally all of them.
t.fatnik

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>>34289536

kek

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>>34292601
about all its good for since it can't pick up a 39000 tonne carrier sized battering ram

>>34287728

HOLY SHIT! The USA needs to improve their armor.

....


unless that round is a humvee targeting round meant to bounce behind to destroy all the Jalopano cheese packets, in which case.... SUPER WEAPON!

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>>34292682
Casualties happen in war. Everything is hardened vs shrapnel, and nothing fights alone.

The US has known that Stryker BCTs don't have the slugging-match survivability of a heavy BCT since the very first NTC rotations they were used in, except in conditions of good information.

Everything is tinder in those conditions. Once a JSTARS powers up and assumes combat orbit, it can track every Russian MLRS in range and beam the coordinates to every US MLRS. So can a F35.

"Oh shit your dudes can die in a war" is not a very convincing argument.

>>34292761
you know interceptors exist, pretty cool huh?

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>>34292761
>Once a JSTARS powers up and assumes combat orbit

What if they shoot it down, or jam?

Or shoot down your GPS satellites?

I guess the lesson here is try not to start a fucking war with Russia, in their own backyard.

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>>34292639
>The Russian Army plans to acquire 2,300 T-14s in the period 2015–2020.
that is now

>The gun is also capable of firing guided missiles like the 9M119M1 Invar-M which has an effective range of 100 m to 5km and can penetrate about 900 millimetres (37 in) of steel armour and can also engage low-flying air targets such as helicopters.
>The tank features the Afghanit active protection system (APS), which includes a millimeter-wavelength radar to detect, track, and intercept incoming anti-tank munitions, both kinetic energy penetrators and tandem-charges.
>The T-14 is equipped with 26.5–40 GHz Active electronically scanned array radar, which has a range of 100 km and is used mainly by the APS. Up to 40 airborne or 25 ground targets down to 0.3 m (12 in) in size can be tracked simultaneously. The tracking system provides an automatic firing solution for the destruction of the target, which can then be transferred to either the APS or the main gun control computers. The tank will be able to give target designation for artillery and serve in air defence and reconnaissance roles.
>Vehicles of the Armata platform will be equipped with the radar and other technologies found on the Sukhoi T-50 fifth-generation jet fighter. They include a Ka band radar (26.5–40 GHz) based on AESA radar.

what does america have?

>>34292816
What if a soldier gets shot? What then?

Clearly we should all concede a nation of vodka-soused drunks with lower GDP than Texas, trundling along on the fumes of 1990s technology, is a big deal.

>>34292816
>Russians shooting down JSTARS
>Americans hitting Russian SAM complexes with HARMs
>MALDs soaking up Russian missile spam
>anti-satellite missiles in play on one or both sides
>B-2s dropping MOPs on anywhere where they think the Russians might have burrowed into

Sounds like an honest to god party to me.

>>34292682
>LAV-25
Its a LIGHT ARMORED VEHICLE. Think a uparmored recon car, but it has a Bushmaster that can pen side armor of T-80's. It can survive artillery bombardment, but better yet it can outrun it.
>Bradley
Boy you bought into the Pentagon Wars didn't you?
>M113
It's a rearline vehicle for ambulance, supply and mortar use.

>>34292848
How many T14's does Russia have now? 20? American's cower in fear before those 3-man crews trying to fix broken track on 2 hours of sleep ROFL.

The real question of course is how many fuel tankers they have to supply them and how effective Russian CRAM will be at reducing ATACMs cluster munition payloads atop those fuel depots.

>>34292848
>T-14
What all 20 of them?

>>34292682
>And the M113 is your main battlefield tractor. A few front line Brigades have shitty Canadian LAVs, the rest of the army moves by flat bed truck or M113 as they did in Vietnam.
Where are you getting this info? The Stryker has been the main vehicle for SBCT and other units for a while now.

>The US armed forces are extremely poorly prepared to fight a ground war against anyone but roving gangs of sand niggers on pick-ups.
Willing to bet the modern Russian military on that?

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>>34292639
>>34292848
>The T-15 is expected to replace the BMP-2 and MT-LB based platforms of the Russian Ground Forces.
>The T-15 features the Bumerang-BM (Epoch) remote control turret with its 2A42 30 mm auto cannon, a 7.62 mm coaxial PKT and a bank of two Kornet-EM anti-tank guided missiles on both sides.
>Like the T-14, the T-15 is protected by reactive armour and the Afganit active protection system.
>Its new Malakhit ERA is claimed to protect against ATGMs like the FGM-148 Javelin and 120 mm tank rounds like the German DM53/DM63 and American M829A3 APFSDS sabots.
>and it has a jamming system to detonate radio-controlled anti-tank mines.

vs the bradley

>>34292848
>which has a range of 100 km
Not on a tank

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>>34292816
>shootdown muh AWACS

Good thing Americans have a lot of F22s eh?

>shoot down GPS

With what technology, and how will your interceptors know where to go without their Garmins?

>>34292848
>all of our new tanks have 40GHz kilowatt range target beacons riveted onto the turrets
>this is a good thing

In Russia, tank designates itself for you! (where (you) is F35 ESM giving INS coordinates to an SDB)

>>34292970
>what is a jammer?

>>34292859
>Clearly we should all concede a nation of vodka-soused drunks with lower GDP than Texas, trundling along on the fumes of 1990s technology, is a big deal.

Are you describing Ukraine?

Because not even Ukrainians bothered to fight for their own festering mess of a country.

>>34292848
Why would you put a radar of that caliber in a MBT? Have fun justifying the cost of production to a bankrupt nation. What happens when it break? Are the crew trained in AESA radar maintenance? What happens if a growler gets in range and the Armata has its radar one? Not only is it jamming enemy communications but it has now narrowed down the location for an enemy ground force.

>>34293009
>What is home on jam?
Also, a jammer is something the Armata will be introduced into courtesy of a Growler

>Because not even Ukrainians bothered to fight for their own festering mess of a country.
History says otherwise, they were #rekting the rebels and only started losing once Russia threw everything they had into the fire

>>34287339

Even if that were true (it aint), GL getting your troops to the US with your ancient navy and airforce RU friend.

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>>34292893
>Its a LIGHT ARMORED VEHICLE. Think a uparmored recon car, but it has a Bushmaster that can pen side armor of T-80's.

Nice meme. The 25 mm on a Bradley couldn't hope to scratch an old T-62 at any range or angle.

>Boy you bought into the Pentagon Wars didn't you?

No, 1991 Desert Storm. Those things burn. The only thing they have going for them is their stand off weapons.

>It's a rearline vehicle for ambulance, supply and mortar use.

How does the American army get to the front lines? Are they all riding Piranhas? Last I checked the US army had less than 5,000 various types TOTAL.

So how do the other 1.4 million active troops find their way to the battlefield?

>>34292536
>flying transports within range of a hostile CBG

>>34292915

With an active force of 1.4 million troops, and less than 4,900 Piranhas, how exactly does this work?

Are you telling me America has only 3 BCTs? How exactly do they deploy the other million troops?

What happens when the enemy has artillery, and MLRS and submunitions?

>>34293009
Something that is wholly ineffective against the APG-81

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>>34293048
>The 25 mm on a Bradley couldn't hope to scratch an old T-62 at any range or angle.

Lel. It chewed through T72s in 1991.

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>>34293024
>are you describing Ukraine

Russians: don't even know their own GDP.

Is that because they don't know what GDP is, or is it because, subconsciously, they don't want to know where they rank?

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>>34293048
>Meme
Desert Storm, Bradley's killed more T-62's and T-72's with 25mm and TOW's
>Bradley's burn.
No they don't. Stop with Pentagon Wars.
>US has no mobility.
Wut. What are Strikers, Humvees, MRAPS ect.

>>34293063
They don't deploy 1 million troops. Do you know the difference between combat arms and support? There is between 5-10 support personnel for every one person in combat arms. Do you know how militaries organize themselves?
Not every one is riding around in a Stryker or Bradley. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brigade_combat_team
>Nice meme. The 25 mm on a Bradley couldn't hope to scratch an old T-62 at any range or angle.
The killed T-72s in the Gulf War, they actually killed more vehicles than the Abrams.
>No, 1991 Desert Storm. Those things burn. The only thing they have going for them is their stand off weapons.
No
>How does the American army get to the front lines?
Are you talking about from the US or from the rear areas they're in?

>>34293097

Yeah, with the TOW-2... retard.

>>34293132

>Desert Storm, Bradley's killed more T-62's and T-72's with 25mm and TOW's

>TOWs

Now I challenge you to find one documented tank kill with the 25 mm

Start searching faggot.

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>>34293132
>Humvees, MRAPS

damn rip

>>34292816
>Or shoot down your GPS satellites?

>He doesn't know that that shooting down satellites is a precursor to MAD. Not gonna happen Anon.

>>34293178
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sum91rgJXkI

k ill stop

>>34292708
>3/10
At least you tried. Which is more than can be said about the vatniks in here.

>>34293174
Nope. Point blank downwards though a t-72 turret.

>>34292919
>>The T-15 is expected to replace the BMP-2 and MT-LB based platforms of the Russian Ground Forces.

The Russian's cut their budget again this year, they couldn't afford to do this. They're also going to be depleting their financial reserves in a few months and the sanctions aren't going away anytime soon, in fact the US is discussing additional sanctions.

>>34293226
I went to college with a guy who was at the battle, he said his TC duct taped his head to the gunners site and he was in the Bradley for like 3 days straight

>>34293181
>WWII anti tank rifle

Sad

>>34289536
Wew, the butthurt is real. Good luck with your life, anon.

>>34293250
Wew.

Stay toasted my Slavic friends. Your economy is only going downhill from here.

This post is also your weekly reminder that every TOW-2 comes equipped with a third generation counter-APS jammer. (Which Israel now has on the Spike LR II).

>>34293187
Not always

>>34287728
Fucking cool webm

>>34290309
grid fins make me feel funny

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>>34293024
>Russians believe Ukraine is anything but an advanced stage of Russia without the macho stronk facade
Enjoy it while it lasts vatnik, you're looking at your future

>>34292865
>Sounds like an honest to god party to me.
This.
An all-out fight would be a spectacle of untold proportions, and would be absolutely beautiful.

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>>34287339
>Russia Strong! Russia Strong!!!

Let me put that in perspective for you, faggot:

America puts a single armour brigade in poland . A brigade, Not evan a division. Single fucking brigade. Less than 90 tanks, and some IFVs and support vehicles. Hell, burgers havent even bothered to repaint them from desert camo.

And guess what happens? Russian government immediately starts screeching about dire threat to russia's national securty, starts threatening with nukes , and deploys entire divisions as counter.

All this because 6 companies - not 6 divisions, not 6 brigades, not even 6 battalions , but whole_6_fucking_companies_ of Abrams tanks appered in neighbouring country . 18 platoons! Dear mother of Lenin, together with cavalry troop thats over 80 tanks! And with accompanying infantry ! A combat juggenaut!

And this literally tells everything you want to know about what russians government and military leaders _really_ think about "obsolete burger tanks that would be slaughtered superrior russian armour. "

Russkies may beat their chest and scream Russia Stronk all they want , but their reaction about mere few dozens of fatnik tanks parking nearby tells you all you need to know about the true combat value of russian military.

>>34293466
I know this is a copypasta, but they do the same shit with missile defenses.
>)))))) american '''''missiles''''' can't even shoot down scuds axaxaxaxaxaxa
>actually station some near Russia, not even pointed towards them
>BLYAT IT'S ANUDDA GREAT PATRIOTIC WAR

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SHOO SHOO VATNIKS

>>34293554
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQAmvKMGUko

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>>34293718
>tfw in a fighter wing right now and nobody has picked up where Dos Gringos left off and made awesome modern fighter pilot songs

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This whole thread is just absolute fuckin' bait.

>>34293554
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XewOH8co2o

>>34293063
What fucking piranhas are you referencing?

>>34293097
My old Platoon Sergeant received a Bronze Star/V for taking out a T-72 with the 25mm during the invasion.

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>>34293466
>USSR places a single missile division on cuba
>America almost starts ww3 where it would be impossible for them to win over it

>>34294045
Not they placed hundreds of missiles with nukes close to the US mainland, at which point the US responded by sending missiles to Turkey and Europe, which the Russians responded by chimping out even though they had done the exact same thing.

>>34294066
*places few iskanders in kaliningrad*
NATO reaction:"REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"

>>34289787
Too bad your pilots wont be getting any oxygen

Remember this guy?

Shake in FEAR AMERICA

russis stronk!!!!!!!!!11111

https://youtu.be/KgQAfNP0RNA

>>34292848
>what does america have

an economy that can actually produce stuff

>>34294094
Well placing nuclear tipped missile in a forward location is a provocative act. Not to mention Russia started "reeeeing" out when the US said they were going to start building Aegis Ashore systems in Romania and Poland. Also, let's not forget Russia is in violation of the ballistic missile treaty which laces limits on the range of shorter and medium range ballistic missiles. The Russian Federation is still a signatory to this. Meanwhile after the Russian Fed violated this treaty the US withdrew from the anti-ballistic missile treaty.

>>34293226

Umm, that videos proves exactly the opposite. Those 25 mm rounds bounced off at point blank range.

>>34293158
>The killed T-72s in the Gulf War, they actually killed more vehicles than the Abrams.

WITH THE FUCKING TOW YOU NIGGERS. NOT ONE KILL AGAINST A TANK WITH THE CG.

You fucking worthless, meme-spouting, zero information, babby-brained cunts.

>>34293242

>Things that never happened

>>34293285

Seems like you are very shaken by the truthful mockery of your chau

>>34294355
Is it common for people to drive ATVs on main roads infront of millionaires compounds? People who owned walled off mansions and Rolls' just let that shit happen?

>>34292848
>>The Russian Army plans to acquire 2,300 T-14s in the period 2015–2020.

They should probably hurry up since it's halfway through 2017 and they only have 20 t-14s right now.

>>34287699
>Expecting to actually hit anything with those oil drum barrels
You could theoretically kill any aircraft with any AA weapon built since the First World War, but like hell are you going to score a hit.

>>34287728
With a blast weapon you don't shoot directly at the target, you shoot at hte ground under the target. That's why durkas can't hit with RPGs. People who've played FPS games would know this.

>>34294426
>clear smoke
>tank no longer meantioned
>"bounced off"

>>34294445
Video has already been posted babby

>>34292848
>9M119M1 Invar-M
Who the fuck named that?

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>>34292848
>9M119M1 Invar-M which has an effective range of 100 m to 5km

The Turkish UMTAS has a range of 8 km.

>Russia is falling behind fucking Turkey of all countries

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/umtas-long-range-anti-tank-missile-system

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>>34295366
ATGM "hermes"
Range:
20 km default
100~km increased range modification

>>34295366
Ah, Roket-san! What are we doing in the tube?

>>34287353
sooo
.50cal salvo to the side and good bye

>>34287339
>Look at us! Russia relevant!
>We got new toy which is super awesome.
>Now go and feel good about it if you are a russboo or fear it if you dont like us.
>If the propaganda wears of, we are just going to release some new stuff, that also doesnt get deployed as suggested in numbers or performance
The never ending cycle.

>>34292682
At first I thought the headlights were the eyes, then I saw the windows

>>34290158
>PzH2000>any other self-propelled artillery.
true that... it's already over 20yrs old... man.. time passes
12 rounds in 60 seconds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tc9sb71px5I

>>34294435
Oh it happened, as I said I went to college with a Cav Scout that was in Eagle Troop, T B H it was more of a one in a million kill. Even he had a hard time believing it. Also, they were forced to use their 25mm because they actually ran out of TOWs

>>34294362
Well almost all of our factories are empty. You can thank outsourcing for that

>>34296925
Not the ones shitting out military tech.

US did not lose that sector.

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>>34287614

>>34294045
There's a vast difference between the Cuban fucking Missile Crisis and the rotation of an armored brigade in Poland.

>>34287339
>drinking vodka at base w/ the boys
>suddenly under attack
>climb into t90 and turn keys
>engineiskill.webm
>Ivan climbs out and violently slams socket wrench into "engine"
>pretty sure that is transmission but whatever tovarich
>it not working
>try to radio commissar
>shit
>forgot radio is only given to every third tank due to budget cuts
>finally turn engine over
>gunner tries to rotate turret
>shit
>forget that gun has no sights due to budget cuts
>tank komandor shoots out burst of tracers for the turret to aim off of
>shit
>forget no mg or tracers due to budget cuts
>tank suddenly takes bad hit
>critical system fire
>don't even try to put it out because putin can't afford extinguishers
>burn to death with vodka

such is life in motherland's army, comrade.

>>34294045

Nuclear missiles capable of preemptive decapitating strike on your capital or counterforcce launch against your facilities with minimal warning time is pretty damn legitimate cause for concern for any country, no matter how strong it is.

Autistic screeching about less than hundred of supposedly obsolete tanks and humvees that according to vatniks here are completely inferior to modern russian (stronk!) army should a bit different matter... If russia is indeed so STRONK, they would not have a reson to worry. A single brigade, even if it was the best and most capable brigade in enire history of armoured warfare , is such a minor threat that response it should deserve is shrug :
>Meh, a brigade? Hell, we got 3 enire divisions in this general area. Good luck attacking us, fatniks" .

Unless russia is so weak and unstable that mere single fatnik tank brigade in neighbouring country is actually an existential threat, comparable to nukes parked on your doorstep.

>>34299130
he wrote he laughed

>>34288015
>m113 are rear line

Ha, haha, HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

dude our scout formations literally use them as forward cps. Our entire ABCT organization revolves around 113s as command posts.

>t. An XO who has to ride around in that bullshit and attempt to see they don't beak after every 5km movement

Stryker variant when?

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>>34287339
sage

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>>34287339
>Acting like a land war with Russia wouldn't result in the United States just devoting more money to either building better tanks and IFVs or just building more tanks and IFVs and smothering the Russians.
>Acting like a land war between the US and Russia would ever happen

Sure the t90 has better passive defenses that can stop missiles and shit but it's lower glacis can only withstand a little under 300mm of penetration, even well angled that's butter for an abrams's APFSDSDUS

But Op. Your pic is of a Ukrainian vehicle. The ukes have already buttfucked the Russians!

>>34291456
chaff bomber ?

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>Yeah America will get totally BTFO in any war!

You niggers know deep down America could dunk on half of the planet.

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>>34287339

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>>34301093

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>>34287699
Go ahead. Turn your radar on. I fucking dare you.

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>>34301145
Blocks your path.

>>34300915
Just like it dunked on the North Vietnamese right?

>>34294045
The US would have trounced the Soviets in 1962 in a nuclear war.
SACs peak during the crisis was about 3000 warheads.

The Soviets would have mustered about 300 that could have been delivered to the US, and the vast majority of those were on bombers that probably would not have made it to their targets.

>>34301145

>HARM

>Not Panstir-fodder

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>>34302101
Yup, exactly.

>>34296925
US manufacturing output has been increasing with the exception of the '08 crash consistently.

>>34304686
And yet it will still take fifteen years to build 2000 planes, at a time where every mainline aircraft in the USAF has long since gone past their expiration date.

>>34304710
The goalposts have officially broken the sound barrier.

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>>34290069
Here you go

>>34304710
>fifteen years to build 2000 planes

That's intentional though.

>>34300915
I mean, not to be a Russian shill, but so can Russia.

>>34291456
That's a lot of aircraft for just one strike.

>>34292848
The worlds best air force, navy and, a fuck ton of nukes.