Milsurp Thread. just picked up a swedish ljungman edition

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>>34286043

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>>34286046

>>34286043
Have you fired it yet?
Have you fired one before?
Have you had the initiation into the Erik Eklund Finger Friend club yet?

And just how much 6.5x55 have you stocked up on? Because if you don't have a shitload now, well, prepare your wallets anus.

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>>34286043
Just got me a Gew 88
No pics cause I've got it dismantled and soaking in wd-40
Cant get the fucking barrel jacket off but it matches the receiver so I'm assuming the barrel does too

>>34286099
Damn famalam, that rust fucking shits.
What production and year?
All matching roachless?
What type of conversion, if any?

I have an 1890 steyr made on I still have yet to get pics of...

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>>34286098
i have a lot of 6.5 because i have 2 swedish mausers, i just jot it today so i have not fired it and i have not fired one before, im watching the shit out of my fingers

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>>34286043
beauty

I got one a couple of weeks back. where did you find it?

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I've kind of been wanting to get a Type 99 Japanese milsurp rifle recently, they're about $150-$200, but they use fairly expensive 7.7 Jap ammo.

Anybody have some experience with them and know if they're worth the price for fun?

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>>34286132

>>34286099
could put some solder in there to fill up the pits

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I'll just leave dis here

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>>34286043
Here's the K98k I got the other day for 240 dollerydoos in MN.

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>>34286160
The one you posted is more like a $400 (if mismatched) to $1K gun.
I own several Type 99s though. I enjoy them.

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>>34286186
I need a Type 94.

>>34286113
Totally roachless
Only matching is the sleeve and receiver, havent seen the barrel yet but my hunch is its on so well because nobody replaced the barrel
Its a Spandau 96
N.M. Punch mark, S stamp and Z stamp, but never converted to 05

>>34286160
I got a last ditch for $200 off the used gun wrack at cabelas
Its hella fun to shoot and probably the smoothest running milsurp I own, but the ammo stops me from shooting it every weekend
Last ditches are affordable but with the shitty sight I have a hard time staying accurate past 100

Picked up my vz24 with a lion crest today

Where do I find a Finn 91/30 forward swivel sling mount?

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>>34286186
>>34286300
I'd like a Type 14 but their 2k up here in leaf land.

>>34286380
https://www.libertytreecollectors.com/productcart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=4894&idcategory=17

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Damn, there's a refinished lever nugget going for 3200 right now on Gunbroker. I'm glad I got mine for what I did.

>>34286489
Consider me a jelly doughnut

>>34286489
gray blanket man had one go for less than $3k a few weeks ago

>>34286203

German or yugo?

>>34286244
Well that was just a random picture off og google and I could tell with the monopod on it that it'd be expensive.

>>34286325
Yeah the last ditch ones are what I've been looking at, they're really the only affordable ones. I honestly have a thing for abnormal/unique ammo types, which is one of the things I like about the Type 99, but yeah the prices are kind of crazy. I've seen smaller boxes at something like $2.50 per round.

Gunbroker has a big pack of milsurp 7.7 jap for pretty cheap though if you want to buy in bulk.

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>>34286435
Close but thanks. Looking for the rightmost thing in pic related. I'm missing the hangar that goes through that hole

>>34286043
I always wanted one, but back then $600 was a bit too much for me to afford.

Now they're considerably more.

>>34286521
No, it sold for 3000.
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/635103350
To think I only paid 2000 for mine. God damn. At least I know I can get my money back if I ever have to.

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>>34286531
German first, Yugo capture.

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>>34286632

Nice. Here's my M98/48. Got it at a pawn shop for $247

>some random person is consigning a mint Chinese SKS at a low-traffic gun store I visited today - didn't have the price tho
>the owner called me back and said the dude wanted 275 or maybe 250
>Store opens Tuesday

I'm gonna go get it. What are mint Chinese sks's worth nowadays anyways?

>>34286667
About three fiddy

>>34286644
Nice, when did you get it? That condition is great for that price.

>>34286667
What >>34286681 said. I'm surprised that phrase is actually accurate for once.
Anyway, what state is the store in? Market price may be much higher

>>34286750
NH. Here in MA they are usually in the mid 400s, and half the time they don't have baguettes

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New addition to the family. I was hunting for a matching Springfield Garand, but fell in love with this H&R.

>>34286737

Couple of weeks ago

The outside appearance is a little deceiving. There's like 8" of rust at the muzzle end of the barrel. Ive been scrubbing the shit out of it with CLP and wire brushes. Still havent gotten it all off. Im gonna switch to Hoppes 9, but I need some more .30 cal brushes cause the ones I had are fucked

Im worried there's gonna be pitting

>>34286758
Then it's easily $400 imho. The very same, with baguette, will fetch a solid $550+ here in CA

>>34286165
>>34286132>>34286157
>>34286157
really neat, whered you get it?>>34286244
>The one you posted is more like a $400 (if mismatched) to $1K gun.
$1k? dont make me laugh. this is why milsurp prices are so fucked now. all these idiot new buyers with wallets and no idea of fair prices

>>34286794
whatd you pay for the ljungman?

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>>34286794
>$1k? dont make me laugh. this is why milsurp prices are so fucked now. all these idiot new buyers with wallets and no idea of fair prices
The $1k is for your top of the line all matching, excellent condition, mumed, original sling and of a harder to find manufacturer or series. Most would be around $700ish otherwise.

Then you have ones like Hoten made Type 99s that a completely stripped barreled action sold for $2k. You may think that is silly too, but they are that rare.

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>>34286818
Not him, but 2 years ago I sold one for about $900 shipped. I paid roughly $700 for it and a 1915 Lithgow SMLE a couple years prior.

>rubbing hands.gif

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http://www.gunbroker.com/item/654476165

>Most of the ones I have seen online all have matching numbers. This one does not. None of the numbers match, probably making it much more rare than all the matching ones out there.

>>34286890
thats a good one

>>34286844
well you should specify that to the noob you are posting to so he doesnt think a matching tokyo or jinsen with mum sights dustcover and monopod go for over $500

$1k is the realm of a concentric circle with mum and all the goodies

>>34286856
I managed to get mine on gb for 910 maybe a month ago. Feel like I got a pretty good deal

>>34286890
>http://www.gunbroker.com/item/654476165
literally what happens when millenials get their hands in the milsurp market. fucking cancer, milsurp is too mainstream now and the reason why i always sage any response to these 4chan threads

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>>34286904
Well, Tokyo Arsenal never made Type 99s and an early Jinsen with all of the early features would be rare. Most Jinsens are very late war rifles, and some are transitionals.

Even your typical Nagoya Arsenal with all the bells and whistles, matching and mummed will be over $500 usually.

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>>34286043
Nice, what did you pay?

Last time I saw one in person the guy selling it was asking $2700. I almost broke a rib.

>>34286777
>like 8" of rust at the muzzle end of the barrel.
Inside the barrel itself?

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Hakim > ljungman

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>>34287260
very wrong and bad post

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>>34287287
No u

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>have enough money for a lebel
>gunbroker has no lebels now

>>34287305
Im sort of half looking for one of those but its way down the list. What are they going for?
>>34287298
ive only got 2 bad pictures of my ljungman. you win i guess

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>>34287313
>You win I guess

Well I'm not guessing

>>34286433
Bought mine from a guy who found it in his wall while he was remodeling for 200$

>>34287321
at least my gun wasnt made in the third world by mud people

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>>34287347
That's a fair point. But mine shoots biggerer bullets

>>34286933
Im retarded, could you circle the dustcpver in your pic for me? I dont know what people are refering to as the dustcover on 99s, it looks like a regular bolt with nothing special to me.

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For the person asking last thread what made Romanian captures less valuable, the proof marks are pinged out very crudely and are usually well used compared to other capture rifles.

What would cause an sks to go single shot only? Its a yugo and I've made sure the valve was int he open, but it still doesn't seem to be getting gas for some reason. I already cleaned the dogshit out of the ports.


Would a worn out valve somehow not allow gas to push the piston back?

>>34287305
go away my lebel, i need a berthier this year also.

>>34287357
eh Ill get one of those eventually. Its not one of the guns im willing to pay a premium for over on gb or whatever though. Whatd you get it for?

>>34287407
$490+ tax and background from a lgs. It had sat there for at least 6 months

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>>34287357
And adjustable gas system

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>>34287363
Because there isn't a dust cover in that pic. That rifle never had one. You can see the dust cover in this pic though.

>>34287373

Is it the 59/66 with the grenade launcher? If the shutoff switch for the launcher is in the right position, then you need to replace the rubber o-ring in the switching assembly. They fail due to age.

>>34287435
Well shit. That just confirms im dumb as a rock. Im still going to get a 99 or a 38 soon. A type 30 would be sweet but i think theyre a bit more expensive

>>34286043

I have a Hakim and a M96. I like the 6.5x55 round. I need a Ljungman and a M94 carbine.

>>34287421
cheaper than I thought. Im sort of stuck not buying guns atm though unfortunately. My buddy said he would sell me his g43 but I think he might be having second thoughts so im stuck in no mans land

>>34287371
That was me asking, thanks. Are Romanian K98ks coming in now or something? I've never heard of them except probably 10 years ago, but never saw one even then.

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>>34287472
Good luck with that, I'm just passing time till my mk3 gets here so I can finally shitpost with some new pictures

>>34287436
Rubber O-ring? This may be the problem then kek. theres no ring I've seen.

>>34287512

It's been a few years since I did it to mine but if you disassemble the gas system there will be a little rubber o-ring on the end of the gas cut off valve. You can also use 18 gauge stainless steel wire to act as an o-ring if it's missing. That's what I did. I searched for the fix online a few years ago when I was working on mine.

>>34287498
I think they've been in for a while, may still be coming in not sure. They aren't as common as the Russian captures though.

>>34287667
those russian captures are absolutely top notch guns. the commies aside from the ugly finish did those guns right

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Does prior British/Irish free state count?

>>34287696
no

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>>34286043
Thats pretty fuckin gay, whats the stock disc read?

Jesus I never even heard of a ljungman until fairly recently and like 7 people here have one
wtf

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>>34287305
They'll pop up, just gotta be patient boss.
>>34287458
They are but not too much more. 700 is usually the tops.

>>34288092
At first glimpse I thought that was a BSW, and I was about to be like oh hell fucking no.

>>34287908

a lot more people have hakims or rasheeds which are basically copies of the ljuingman.

>>34288357
I wish

>>34286175
does that really work? I have some pitting on a arge 1909 and I was thinking the same thing but I never heard of anyone doing that

>bayonet comes with m1 garand
>have no idea how to tell if this thing matches or if it's a fake

anyone got any hints? the thing doesn't seem very shop at all.

>>34288702
>"matching bayonet"
>doesn't bother to post pictures

fuck on off out of here

>>34288702
Bayonets weren't matched to particular rifles. Later ones didn't even have serial numbers.

On the verge of buying a martini henry. whats it about 8 bucks a round?

I will buy reloading equipment after this. dont really have a choice

Does Milsurp general have any approved bayonets that are of decent quality for all around utility use?
[spoiler]preferably not a nugget spike[/spoiler]

>>34288844
reword this and try again. I think most of us run a autism frequency where this doesnt make a lot of sense

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>>34288844
Utility use? Buy a knife. Bayonets make shitty knives. They're meant to stab, not cut. That's also why the blades are pretty dull.

>>34288864
>>34288867
I kinda like the aesthetic of bayonets, especially with nice wood. I'll look into a sheath knife I guess.

How do I take good pictures?

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>>34288909
Step 1: git

>>34288844
Off brand Mauser (Yugo, vz24, etc) would probably be your best bet for utility and price.

I dont understand how people can sell guns. It takes me months and months to find what I want.

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>>34288909
The fuck are you asking us for? We don't know.

>>34288960

You're a lot pickier than most then. Or you just have so many that you only have specific needs left.

That said the only gun I've sold so far is my SKS.

>>34288976
I am definitely pickier than most

My old man told me a story of how he once traded a python for a ar 15 in like the 70's.

can always get more money. muh gats are indispensable. they can bury me with my k98s

>>34289004

pls no, let someone else enjoy them once you are gone.

For myself I'm only about halfway through Phase One, so I've got so many things left to get that I can choose from a smorgasbord of options.

I've asked before: how much should I sell my 1903 M94 swedish carbine for? Everything matches except bolt. Everything else in good condition

>>34289065
the m96 is the full size rifle and the m38 is the carbine. so idk what you mean
>>34289056
everything but muh k98s will go to the family

>>34287373
yes, the lost gas pressure means the bolt cant move backwards.
just buy a new piston made out of stainless steel. take a paper clip and cut to length and replace the oring of the piston, if it fixes your problem, you know you need a new valve and ring

>>34289077
well you're a fuckin goof then. The m94 is the carbine version prior to 1938. It predates the M96 and a simple google search would've told you that

Asked this in the QTDDTOT:

I'm moving from NJ to a state with really lax gun laws. Have quite a bit of money. Is it worth buying an SVD/TIGR? I'm thinking about budgeting about 6k.

I love milsurp and inaccurate rifles, and I already have an FAL. Is there anything else I should consider?

Maybe a johnson?

>>34289091
Learn new stuff everyday

>>34289065
I've seen them sell Around 1200, so you should be able to get at least 900.

>>34289101
get a pedersen rifle and take lots of vids for us

>>34289065
depends on the bore. a matching excellent condition one goes for like $1,000, so maybe $5-700 would be realistic? check gunbroker for similar examples and price accordingly or just throw it up on gunbroker for 99 cents and let the market work

>>34289144
that's kinda the problem. There are rarely any on gun broker. From what I understand there are supposedly only about 20k in existence today, but I can't remember where I saw that.

It's so niche that really no one outside of a swedish collector would be interested. Also besides the bolt there are a number of very uncommon features so it's somewhat rare even in the M94 community

some on armslist has a beaumont rifle on armslist.

pretty interested. Dont know if I could ever find ammo though

>>34289065
What state?

I'm looking to complete my Swedish Mauser collection.

>>34289167
NJ or NC. Moving shortly. If you're interested my particular rifle has no import marks and the stock is not cut for a stock disc. Instead there is a blank brass disc fitted onto the comb of the stock. It's difficult to find information about that.

Bolt is not matching and rifle has not been fired since I bought it about 3 years ago

>>34289101

>Is it worth it?

YOU have to answer that question.

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>>34289191
I'm in PA. I'm definitely interested, but the bolt not matching the receiver triggers my autism.

I've seen them go from $900 - $1200+

For me the bolt not matching keeps me to the lower end of that.

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>>34288735
>>34288763

should have said came with. no serial numbers which makes sense now. what the hell are the odd circular marks on the center of the blade? just left overs from the factory?

>>34289382
try taking a picture with a camera and not a cell phone. worthless photo here.

Ive got a bit of a weird request. Does anyone know of a long ass bolt action? I saw a picture of one in some manga and i though it looked neat but im pretty sure its made up.

>>34286043
>swedish ljungman
you need to get a separate, smaller gun safe and call it the cuck shed

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I just picked up a 1914 M91 mosin nagant with scrubbed barrel shank.

Is it against history to go have it reblued to prevent rust?

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>>34286043
jelly
>>34286099
very nice!
>>34286186
schwing!
>>34286203
pretty sure that 33/40 bolt is worth the 240 by itself

>>34289676
it's a Mosin-Nagant, no one gives a shit if you re-blue it

>>34289676

Yes, rebluing it will hurt collector's value. As for how much collector's value the rifle has depends its exact model (Mosin-Nagant m/91 came three variations - infantry rifle, dragoon rifle and cossack rifle), condition, markings and possible special features.

If you want to figure out its value post some photos showing rifle and its markings (most importantly the ones above chamber) to Collector's Forum at Gunboards.

This place is full of autists who think that all Mosin-Nagants are the same re-furbed Soviet m/91-30 garbage.

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>>34289550
Rly?

>>34289769
Longer

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>>34289836
any longer than this and we'll have to consult OP's mom

>>34289846
Almost there. We get one in a more standard caliber and il be set

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>>34289853
>

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Ignore the M1A in this picture

>>34289680
>pretty sure that 33/40 bolt is worth the 240 by itself
That's why I picked that one of the 12 or so that were at the store. I recognized it right away.

>>34286338
I love Czech lion crests. Pics?

>>34289329
Fair enough. Where in PA?

>>34291263
Pottstown

>>34290976

For the uninitiated, what's the difference?

>>34291667
It's a curved bolt, instead of bent, and has a hollow bolt knob. It belongs to a rarer Czech/German carbine.

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So I've been looking at this mas36 a bit more. Is it possible it was never reworked by the arsenal? Based on my experience with mosins when you have a serial # where the metal is in the white around it that's the original finish. I usually don't buy into the whole vet bring back bs but I'm wondering...

>>34291796
It looks non refurbished to me.

>>34286794
>what are market forces

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>>34291796
Yes, it hasn't been through a refurb and there is really only one way a pre-armistice rifle came into the US, by a GI bringing it back.

Anyone know the going rate of k31s, smles and arisakas?

>>34286043
>>34286046
>>34286085

What's the deal with that stool?

>>34292216
K31s - $300-500
SMLEs - $300-500
Arisakas - $200 - 400

>>34292277
k31 bottom dollar is like 500 if your lucky

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>>34289550

>>34291796
Most of the pre-armistace rifles aren't refurbs, so that's not unusual. Mine was never refurbished either.

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>>34292337
Mfw I got one for 160 ten years ago

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>>34287696

That's pretty cute. Kinda wish mine had the blueing on it. I still think it looks good worn though.

>>34286043
Want. I shot my m/96 today. 46.1gr of N165 basically matches milspec velocity and the charge-weight of military ammo.

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>>34288780

If you reshape your own brass and buy cheaper .45-70 bullets to paper patch, it'll be around $1.50-1.75 a round for the first shot. As long as you take care of the brass, you can shoot for less than a dollar a round. The actual time cost is more significant, as it's not as simple as just dumping black powder in a case and seating a bullet. IV8888 did some videos on reloading for .577/.450 that are really helpful.

I've been looking into getting started reloading and wanted to get some opinions from here.

What reloading presses do you guys use?

Are there any companies I should avoid?

Is the RCBS rock chucker kit a good start?

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>>34292418
>Most of the pre-armistace rifles aren't refurbs
Well they did have a slight change in the receiver design that unit armorers fixed. If your rifle is a G or H series it probably had this notch cut into the back of the receiver. The changed it and the end cap design so the end cap can't fall off.

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>>34293510
i love shooting mine

Anyone have a good source on M2 ball or modern M1 safe ammo. The cheapest I can find is PPU at SGAMMO, and I'd like to keep my Garand all original without a new gas plug.

>>34294729
http://www.garandgear.com/m1-garand-ammunition

>>34294776
>I'd like to keep my Garand all original without a new gas plug.

>>34294834
Its not a permanent modification

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>>34294834
Read the rest of the page, dingust.

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Shooting my m39 this weekend and the recoil bolt nut walked out on me, the bolt stayed in place and I don't see any wood cracking under it.

I stopped shooting it, found the bolt and got it home. Found that the tips of two 54r rounds worked great to get it back on.

Should I be worried or will getting some locktight on it and tightened back up will I be ok to shoot it again?

>>34295007
get some thread locker and an appropriate pin spanner wrench

>>34293708
>Is the RCBS rock chucker kit a good start?
Yes. Most of the pieces in it I still use. The only thing I'd change out is the balance scale. While it's definitely accurate enough, I just find it too slow. A good electronic scale is faster, which is something I like to have when I have 35 different calibers to reload.
>>34293904
Huh, didn't know that one (some "expert" I am). Mine doesn't have that though.

>>34294885
>there are people who pay $28 dollars a box for the American Eagle

Guy from last thread who asked if the 1916 Enfield was a good deal. I bought it, he went down to 275. It has no import markings, no pitting, bolt is smooth, crown is nice, and all the rifling is there. How good of a deal was this actually? The only real problem is

>No bayonet
>No Safety (need a new one for like 15 bucks, dry fires fine)
>No sling

>>34295574
Sounds pretty good. Slings are 20 bucks

>>34294871
I know, but I'd like to keep it all original.

>>34294885
I'm looking to buy ammo, dingus.

>>34295518
>$28
Damn, the average price I see is $23.

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Is it possible to use an m91/30 or m44 russian mosin bolt in a finnish m39? Asking for a friend

>>34296130
Yes

What are the chances of a good surplus gun being in a pawn shop? The last time I went in one (10+ years ago) it was run by a guy who looked like a weasel and all they had were overpriced shotguns.

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>>34286043
Guys, I fucked up, I put my Mosin bolt back together after cleaning, screwing the firing pin into the decocking piece to be exact, and the damn thing got stuck halfway through. I tried using the bolt connector to screw it out but it wouldn't work. I tried smacking it with a hammer and I fucked up the prongs on the connector, now he firing pin isn't flush with the cocking piece and, while I was able to put to bolt back together, it failed the protrusion test by like a millimeter.

So is my bold fucked guys? Anyone else had this happen to them? I'd hate to have to buy a whole new bolt assembly

Also, I have no source on pic, been trying to find out for years with no avail

>>34293904
>>34295377
No cut in my H series either.

>>34296327
Pics of bolt and hammer

>>34296409
Sorry but I can't get any pics, turbo poorfag with no camera, it looks like the firing pin screw is barely at the half way point of the threads on the cocking piece. The prongs on the bolt connecter still catches on the grooves of the cocking piece but it stripped enough that it doesn't catch on the firing pin to screw it off or on

>>34296472
Have you not had a cell phone in the last 15yrs?

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>>34296817
I've had a flip phone m8

>>34296292

Local pawn shops near me have:

1884 Trapdoor (DO WANT!)
Mexican Mauser
Yugo M48A
M1 carbine
Garand converted to 7.62 with an 18" barrel.

All of them are overpriced, but the listed price is just the start of negotiations.

tl;dr yes

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>>34295377
>>34296371
Not all received the modifications. Mine was made with it from the factory, but it's a K series. Like I said, it's just there to prevent the end cap from turning, which would be annoying when you're firing the gun and the bolt decides to come apart.

>>34286160
I bought an all matching late 41/early 42 with intact mum, dust cover, and AA sights for 1250 last weekend and just shot it today. I was skeptical as fuck but it is without a doubt the best shooting milsurp bolt gun I have. The ammo is pricey as fuck, 60/box at my LGS but I found it for much cheaper on Xcaliberammo. They're great guns.

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>>34297796
Pics? What is the series and manufacturer of it?

>>34297879
I haven't had any time to take pics but from what I've been able to find it is a series 1 from Nagoya... although I'm not 100% sure if I'm right

>>34297726
how much for mexi mau?

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>>34297906
If you post a pic like this I can tell you what it is.

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>>34297879
I used this chart to help me.

>>34297910

$500, IIRC it's in pretty nice shape, but I didn't spend too much time looking at it.

There's one 3 hours away for $300 (or there was a couple months ago).

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>>34297912
Here's the pic

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>>34297916
You got one of these for type 38s?

>>34297979
I do not, but I do believe the same guy who made this chart has one for the Type 38

>>34297979
http://oldmilitarymarkings.com/japanese_markings.html

Here's this... not sure if it'll help

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>>34297948
Yeah, that's a 1st series (katakana i - イ). Tbh, you paid a big premium for it. Nagoya is the most prolific of all the makers. Does it at least have an original sling?

You can also find ammo for half as much. My local Cabela's has a box around $25.

>>34298001
There's quite a number of mistakes there, like the dates.

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Nuggets on Nuggets

>>34298056

You need to make/post some hot nugget on nugget action...

>>34298043
It did not, unfortunately. In hindsight I realize I paid a premium and kinda am kicking myself for it... but it'll go up in value eventually. And I'll have to check my local retail mountain (going out of business discounts gunna be sweet) and my cabelas for ammo because I really hate the price of it.

>>34298067
Don't lewd the rifles, they are pure.
PURE!

My cabelas has an m48 "model: none" for $250, and everything seems fine except the wood's fucked (which i was gonna replace with a repro anyway) but the front sight is drifted so far to the left.

Should I assume that it shoots like shit and should skip it?

>>34298091
I would

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>>34298067
Dat wood grain doe...

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>>34298075
Did you haggle at all? Maybe one day. I mean, some people are paying that on gunbroker right now, but not me.

a pawnshop nearby has a bunch of krags, im not sure if any of them are original or what theyre asking but can i get a quick rundown on what i should be looking for/paying

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>>34298144
I got them to knock off $50 so it went from 1300 to 1250... I'm not great at haggling and these sellers were hardcore douche bags.... and yeah, I love milsurps but a bunch of sellers are jacking their prices way up... I miss $100 Mosins and $800 Garands (that were in good shape)

>>34298150

Under $1000 for a regular, over $1000 for a carbine.

>>34298177
Yeah and I miss having a 15% tax rate. Times change man.

>>34298203
unfortunately

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>>34298150
99% chance they are not original at all. If it's a rifle it will have a 30 inch barrel if a carbine they had a 22 inch barrel. If they are carbines yet have a pinned rear band they are cut down rifles, or at least the stock. Carbine stocks had bands retained by a spring. Carbine sights have a C stamped on them too. There is like a bagillion different variations and a bagillion different sights for those variations.

But really, you need to do a lot of research before you purchase anything. Not just ask a bunch of strangers a quick rundown on a complicated subject.

>>34298177
You have to know when to fold 'em too.

>I miss $100 Mosins and $800 Garands (that were in good shape)
Supply and demand.

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A reminder that the P38 is most aesthetic with brown bakelite grips. Black gripped P38s are inferior.

>>34286909
In 1983, they were $84.00 in store, 20 rd boxes of milsurp ammo was $7.00

>>34287460
And a m-38 carbine

>>34298348
is that you, Hickok?

>>34298202
>>34298232
il probably check them out and give them a pass then. Im not really interested in krags but i might grab one if its a good price. .30-40 krag is going to be a pain in the ass to find isnt it

>>34298519

It exists on the interbuttz, but it's $2+ per round. I've bought two boxes and that's probably all that I'll ever buy.

>>34291917>>34286244
explain this shit then:
>>34297796
>>34297796
jesus, these noob buyers are destroying the market. all you retards have to do is a simple google search to see "oh, these guns sell routinely for $400"

>>34298698

Intact mum, dust cover and AA sights for $400?

>mfw just now learning that Federal makes round tip 7x57 mauser
but why is it so much more expensive than PPU

>>34286043
Is it wrong that I'm kinda scared of using that thing because of its action?

>>34298816

Because it's not made by poor slavs.

>>34298828

Yeah, just don't be a fuckup.

>>34298698
All matching Type 99 Arisakas routinely sell for around 1000, if they have all their accoutrements. 1250 is overpaying but not by too much.

>>34298872
what would you say is the most undervalued milsurp right now? seems like most guns that are all matching go for at least 4-500 these days

>>34298896

Not him, but Arisakas are probably undervalued ATM and I sort of expect them to go up a bit from where they are now.

>>34298896

Turk Mausers

>>34298896
That's really hard to say since value of milsurp is hard to determine in the first place. Probably Carcanos though, if I had to pick one.

>>34298896
Carcanos by far. Especially the Long Rifles.

>>34298910
im working on getting some arisakas, bidding on a type 99 right now an im looking for a deal on a type 38. not sure if a type 30 is on my list. a type 44 could be neat though.

>>34298938
not too interested in turk stuff, or mausers in general really. theres a few countries id like to get but theyre not a priority. Is there any reason why you say turkish or are they just not as popular?

>>34299013
>>34299000
Never really looked into them. All i really know is theyre Italian and kennedy was shot with one.

>>34299074
If you have time....
https://youtu.be/-zngrvMQKFY
https://youtu.be/mG3-iqICPlk
That'll give you a good beginning for Carcano rifles.

>>34299074

Turk Mauser's are absolutely the most undervalued if you want a good shooter.

They are German built Mausers in easily attainable and powerful 8mm Mauser that can be had for around $150.

Carcano's are cheap and neat but their ammo is pricey and hard to come by. Better collector guns due to their role in WWII IMHO but not good if you want to shoot.

>>34299209
>muh hard to find ammo
This meme really needs to die. It's a meme that plagues many milsurps. I can go to my local cabelas and buy 6.5 Carcano ammo for .85 cpr and shoot reasonably accurately with it. The same Cabelas also carries 7.65 Argentine. .303, 7x57, 8x57, 7.5 Swiss and .30 Carbine for the same or in the case of .30 Carbine its less than 50cpr. Also if you aren't a bumbling retard you can order pretty much any Milsurp caliber online. Even shit like 6.5 Dutch or 7.35 Carcano

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>>34299239
Oddly enough almost all of my lgs have 6.5 Carcano, but no 8mm mauser and only 1 ever had any 6.5 Jap and I bought it all

>>34296817
So no idea what it could be just by the description?

>>34296327
Couldnt you just buy a new firing pin and not beat it with a hammer this time?

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>>34287460
Just saw this post. Hit me up

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>>34299209
>Turk Mauser's are absolutely the most undervalued if you want a good shooter.
My Czech-made Turkish-used Vz.98/22 can do 2MOA or better with surplus ammunition. I daresay the 98/22 is the best buy of any 8x57 Mauser rifles; no-one seems to care about them, but they were impeccably constructed and despite many years of conscript use in Turkey they seem to remain very accurate.

>>34300353
Oh you're the Anon with the M98 bolt shroud in his m/94. How did that happen again?

>>34300360
Lol you remembered. I've since replaced the bolt with a correct m94

>>34299239
>I can go to my local cabelas
Good for you. Not everyone has a Cabelas. My nearest one is 90 minutes away.
>But don't you reload everything?
Not the point. A lot of places don't stock many/any milsurp calibers.

>>34299239

Or you can just buy a $150 German made Turk Mauser and 8mm ammo for .50 a round.

Not everybody lives near Cabela's, which is shit anyway.

>>34292263
Looks like he cut out the middle to accommodate the magazine.

>>34299239
They don't have 7.5 French tho ;_;

>>34300521
>>34300655
>>34300773
>Also if you aren't a bumbling retard you can order pretty much any Milsurp caliber online.

>>34299074

I would skip the Type 30s until you have a more full collection personally. No sense in spending extra for rare guns when you're early on, that's why I've been mostly focusing on sub-$500 guns so far. Even though I drool over a bunch of $1000+ guns.

>>34301469
Man, that's a bunch of bullshit. Buy whatever you find interesting and can afford. If you want a Type 30 now, buy it fucking now.

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>>34300655
The only German-made Turkish Mausers in 8mm are the Gew.98s purchased/given to Ottoman Empire as war aid during WW1. All Ottoman-contract smokeless Mauser rifles were in 7.65x53mm, and were re-built by Republic of Turkey in 8x57mm. The workmanship on these rifles should be considered more Turkish than German; serviceable but not exemplary.

>>34301626
But i dont know if i want a type 30 right now. Aesthetically theyre pretty similiar and one is more available than the other.

>>34286043
Picked up my first Moist Nugget a year ago from Classic's sale on those hex-recievers

Would love to mount a PU scope but I don't have a local gunsmith that could help me out with drilling and tapping the mount into the hex-receiver.

I really (REALLY) want to find a SVT-40 that won't break the bank on me. (max $1000 United States shekels in a perfect world) thats in shooting condition.

Gun broker isn't much help.

>>34302063

Check your pawn shops and your gun shows.

>>34302063
Kys bubba

>>34302092
I know a lot of hate happens with the "bubba" of ww1-ww2 firearms and such. But I don't see why not put a traditional scope on the rifle. Irons are great on my Mosin. If I wanted to bubba my moist up I would turn it into a SBR with a PDW chasis

>>34302164
Bubba is bubba. Go buy a genuine PU sniper.

>>34302164
Also a PU is the wrong scope for a hex receiver Mosin

>>34302169
point me where to find one thats not been "bubba-d" up by someone else and sold as a PU sniper.

>>34302164
It made sense to bubba surp in years past not anymore. You can buy better guns cheaper with more wide available less expensive ammo.

>>34302178
Check armslist. Check gunbroker. Shit, if you live in WI I'll sell you one.

>>34300244
I might have to get a new cocking piece too, I guess I also learned that there is such thing as manhandling your nugget too much too. It fails the protrusion test barely and I'm afraid it'll be enough to puncture a primer, I'm gonna take it to my local gunsmith when I scrounge up enough dough

>>34302203
wyoming.... i try to hit up estate sales for if the stars align.

http://www.gunbroker.com/item/658046247


What is this?

>>34302258

I keep seeing signs for estate sales when I'm working and can't go to them.

>>34302273

It's a Swedish K98 M40 in 8x63.

>>34302063
I got mine for 1400. Youre not gonna find one for 1k

MAS36 in very good condition except for missing floor plate for $250

Ye? Nay?

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Vz. 2008 the listing says.

How much you guys think it is worth?

>>34302273
It's the rifle issued to Swedish machine gun troops so their rifles share ammo with the MG

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>>34302273
>http://www.gunbroker.com/item/658046247
>What is this?
A bubba humping meant to replicate the Swedish Gevar m/40. In 1939 Sweden purchased some Kar.98k rifles in 7.92x57mm for use as light anti-tank rifles. This was quickly determined to be foolish, but to keep the rifles from going to waste they were re-chambered to 8x63mm —the standard Swedish heavy machine gun cartridge used in Sweden's m/36 heavy machine gun— and issued to those troops in the heavy machine gun units.

Cheers to whoever recommended The Horse Soldier in Gettysburg. Really fun shop, and they have SO many rifles.

>>34302321
Nay. Too much effort and time to get a floorplate and magazine spring.

>>34302343
Weird

Never heard of that before

>>34302311

Finding one sub $1,000 is hard, but not necessarily undoable.

My first SVT was a Finn capture I got at an auction. It ran me $1150 which was just fine with me.

My second one was a mixmaster. Russian capture 1940 Poldosk receiver that the previous owner had a gunsmith install a mint surplus barrel on, as well as a repro mount with original an Kazan SVT scope. Collector value is minimal but it makes the perfect shooter in terms of performance and I don't feel so bad taking it out to the field. That was only $950 shipped.

>>34302321

Yes, those parts are available from Liberty Tree ATM. But you should buy the replacement parts immediately.

>>34302321
I would

>>34302472
after WW2 they were all sold off to Israel. I haven't even seen a non-bubba'd example for sell.

>>34302164
>>34302178
You can find legit and not legit PU snipers everywhere. You'll spend more money making a poor fake than you would by buying a legit one or one that Century already faked.

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>>34302472
5,000 were purchased; I have seen 4 different maker's codes: "42" (Mauser Werke – Oberndorf) "137" (J.P. Sauer und Sohn), "243" (Mauser Werke – Borsigwalde) "337" (Gustloff Werke).
http://www.gotavapen.se/gota/artiklar/rifles_se/gev39_40.htm
http://www.k98kforum.com/showthread.php?21624-One-of-only-a-few-in-North-America-Swedish-M40

Most were sold to Israel, where they were probably re-built into 7.62NATO like so many other Kar.98k. Those in the US seem to be in very good condition and I would bet they were first sold to civilians in Sweden before being rounded up and exported with tons of other Swedish Mausers during the Silver Age of Milsurp in the late 1980s.

>>34302063
Got a Finn Capture SVT in good condition for 950 at a gun show about 4 years ago. MIssing a bayonet, sling, ramrod, but nice. Got discounted from 1050 because I knew my shit.

>>34294729
Reload.

>>34301441
This. It's funny to me that people think a lot of this ammo is hard to come by. Granted some stuff is only made in seasonal runs. Most can be found online year round.

>>34302063
You can find PU Snipers cheaper than it would cost to modify your Mosin and buy a real mount and scope.

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calling G43 rebuild project anon.

Theres a G43 sporter (but full length) stock at my LGS for $25. If you're interested let me know and Ill post pix.

>>34303474
I'm about to get on the process of fixing one but I need a mag and a dust cover unless there is more than one of us

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>>34303545
you bought from your friend for $1200 right?

other anon had a barreled action that hes been building up.

>>34303672
Yeah that was me, guess he's having second thoughts or w/e though now. Didn't know somebody else had one they were working on one here

>>34302815
Cool. Nuggets were 100 bucks 4 years ago. You aint gonna come close to 1k for an svt in 2017

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I just got this at a garage sale for $100. I know nothing about it except that i probably cant get ammo for it anf its in very poor condition. Pretty mich bought it as a wall hanger. What can you tell me about it if anything?

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>>34304319

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>>34304319
>>34304329

>>34304319
>>34304329
>snapjew
fuck off and google it normalfag

>>34304343
>so helpful

Im excited and my phone camera takes too large of files to post. Dont really want to put the photos on my laptop

>>34304319
Looks like a m1895. 100 bucks is a pretty good price if it works. You were right about the ammo though, it isn't cheap

>>34304364
The bore is pretty well shot out but it looks sound. anything else about them? are they common? I'm looking online and ammo seems to be nonexistant if not retarded expensive

>>34304421
They were nuggets before the nuggets were nuggets. It is legally an antique though, sell it to a felon or something. But yeah you can find the ammo online but it is stupid expensive

>>34304444
okay.. would it be possible to swap the barrel out with a nugget barrel or other more common case? If not, its just going to be wall hanger or something

>>34304319
>>34304364
That is a Mannlicher, but not a 1895.

Looks like a Dutch Mannlicher, since it's marked 6.5x53r. M95's are 8x56r.

>>34304329
It's a Romanian Mannlicher. Way rarer than it's Dutch counterparts

>>34304471
No

>>34304319
I'll give you $500 for that.

>>34304481
Dutch mannlichers ARE m.95 retard. Believe it or not militaries are allowed to adopt firearms in the same year as each other

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>>34304487
Nope it is a Portuguese Mannlicher. Still very rare though. I have one myself.
>>34304481
Dutch Mannlichers are also 1895s.

>>34304554
I didn't see the crest until after I posted. And seeing as the retards rom Century marked it Rumanian I blew my load prematurely

>>34304514
if youre serious, give me your email. but its in pretty poor condition

Well fuck me I didn't even look at the third pic. Saw it said Romanian and called it a day

>>34304569
If it was a Romanian like I first thought I'd have paid 500 in a instant. But it's Portugese and I just bought one of those. Still you have a rare rifle. 1 of roughly 4000 ever made. Clean it up a little and try and find a upper handguard for it.
>>34304568
Mine is also marked like that. Good ole Century.

>>34304630
all good. I will look around online. do you shoot yours ever? do you reload or where do you find ammo?

>>34304630
Also, what would you say its worth just so i have an idea?

>>34304630
Also, what would you say its worth just so i have an idea?

>>34304527
>>34304554
Sorry.

Know of any good books on Mannlicher rifles so I can be less retarded?

>>34304692
>>34304687
on gunbroker if there were more than one person seriously interested (unlikely) you could get $500 no problem. But guns like that do not go for sale often enough to give a super accurate price

>>34304738
Understandable. Like I said, ill keep it around until someone specifically wants it

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>>34304699
Fuck no, I just know what miniscule bits I do from watching C&Rsenal and then buying what they tell me to buy.
I just got mine last month so haven't had the chance to load for it yet. That said, you'll need a clip (Dutch clips work and are easily found) and you can order ammo or brass here. http://www.gadcustomcartridges.com/#obsolete
As far as worth goes.... yours is probably a 400 gun. It is fairly rough, which is expected (they were all naval and colonial service rifles) and is missing the upper handguard. I paid 650 for mine but it's a tad nicer.

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>>34304687
>>34304692
Even in that shape it would go for $150-200 locally.

Online maybe $300-500. Clean it up and shoot it. Its a cool rifle and not common at all. For $100 you can afford to sit on it and let it appreciate more.

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>>34304661
>>34304692
>>34304687
Meant to quote you here >>34304777

>>34304778
>>34304777
Awesome! Thank you so much

http://www.gunbroker.com/item/658404597

bubba why

BUBBA WHY

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>>34304923
>http://www.gunbroker.com/item/658404597
sad, but ive seen WAY worse butchered Type 38s.

on a positive note. I got new toys today.

>>34304903
what state are you in and are you planning on keeping it?

>>34304903
Oh, and if you didn't know you want 6.5 Dutch, not 6.5 Mannlicher.

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I picked up this MAS36 today for $300, it looks brand new and is a pre 1950 rifle. How'd I do?

>>34305047
I figured 6.5 dutch. But what shape should i keep it without hurting value? I was going to clean it up a little and maybe touch up the crest with white model paint (should i not) but otherwise i was going to see how it shoots first i guess

>>34287908
Way more than 7 anon

>>34289004
I have sold a bunch, and regret every single one of them. It doesn't matter if it was the most fuddish .22 single shot, I regret it.

>>34289329
Where is your AG-42B?

>>34304421
my local gunshop actually has surplus ammo for this in stock, i think for like 10 bucks a box

>>34298371
Haha, not quite, but close.

>>34305682
Can i send you a check and you pick them up for me?

>>34305806
ill check tomorrow and see what they have and actual price. it was old surplus shit in cardboard boxes, i dont remember the country but i think it was dutch made

>>34305806
>>34305806
>>34305894
ill ask if they would be open to shipping and just give you the shop name and number tomorrow if they still have it. if not i suppose i could possibly buy it for you ill keep you posted, if this thread dies ill post in the new milsurp thread

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>>34305624
I've been looking for one,but haven't had any luck.

I picked this up to appease my Ljungman boner.

>>34305682
Wtf

That sounds like one hell of a lgs if they have 6.5 dutch around.

>>34306000
Thank you so much anon! Also, Checked

>>34306102
its a recently opened shop by 2 guys who are basically old timer collectors, a lot of shit in their shop right now is shit from their personal collections. they have a selection of inventory like glocks and stuff but a decent amount of milsurp guns accessories and supplies that they put up themselves. i know because i asked one of them if i could count on the 8mm surplus being there perpetually or if he had a source. he said it came straight from his garage and that he bought a few crates of it like 15 years ago

>>34306041
Think your gonna have to get one on gb. I was looking for one for a year or so before I gave in and got mine on it

>>34306466
Probably, but some of the auctions for them have gone beyond what I'm willing to pay without seeing the gun in person.

k31 at my lgs for $500, I'll have to head back to check the bore but thoughts on price?

>>34306793
Very fair. Id buy it if you dont

>>34306793
>>34306803
sounds average to me, offer them $350

>>34306830
there arnt anymore coming here. That is what they cost now

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>>34298296
Those "black" grips are actually chocolate brown.

>>34306857
my thoughts exactly, they have an auction for two I might try to buy under 500, but worse case scenario I just buy the one off the wall

>>34287696
i wish i had irish occupation guns