Precision Rifle General

>>34266874
FPBP
INB4 Racism and poorfags saying their garbage pile rilfles are just as fine as a Tac-308
No it isn't kid. Don't even post

>>34266897
A novice shooter isn't going to want to drop 5 grand into a rifle right away. There's nothing wrong with setting a budget, you just have to accept that what you're getting won't have every bell and whistle, and that's fine.

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>>34266874
I really hate how im looked down on at the range by snobs because I dont have the money to throw on a 6k scmidt and bender and the general consensus that your optic should cost more than your rifle. Im just as accurate with a vortex viper pst than people with gucci optics sometimes I even get tighter groups. when it comes down to it its all about the skill/training and not the tool.

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Is this a good rifle for 6.5? It'd be great to break in to precision shooting for less than $1k

>>34266974
I know some people that have had good luck with savage rifles and I know people that have had terrible luck. Honestly, your odds of getting a good shooter are about the same as with Remington from what I can tell.

>>34266993
The other thing you're going to have to think about is a new stock. The factory stocks on Savages are notoriously terrible, so be prepared to drop another $120-160 on something like a Boyd's stock and then bed that shit.

>>34266993
It's ok
You just have to tell everyone you shoot a savage. My advice is to live with the shame and pity you'll incur every time you shoot it. Living with shame is better than spending $400 more.

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>>34266874
>>34266874
Savage 10T, 24" 5r heavy barrel, polished action, LSS chassis, Sightron SIII, hand lapped and inch pound torqued rings, XLR Industries stock, Hogue overmold grip, Accutrigger @ 1.65 lbs, AICS mag, Harris A1 bipod. Hits 1,000 meters and will go further than my skills allow.

>>34266973
You don't care, what makes a good shooter is not his rifle, its his knowledge of the long range shooting.
Every low budget rifle and glass can reach the 1000 yards if you know ballistics

>>34267058
>yes, picture has a Vortex, it sucked, Sightron is amazing for the price, held next to S&B with marginal differences
>Fuck your Gucci, most of you will never touch a range, I actually my Barrett overseas

>>34267018
>notoriously terrible

I'm shooting with an old savage edge in 308, this shit groups 0,8 MOA with factory ammo without glassbed.

>>34267097
Good on ya, I dont know if it's just the newer polymer in the savage stocks, but it's super soft. take a heavy barrel 308 and try to slip a piece of paper under the barrel while it's resting on bags. I can all but assure you that stock will be contacting the barrel. That's what turned me off of them at my LGS. Guy went to show me it was free floated while it was resting on a sled by slipping a 20 under the barrel. Thing would make it down to the chamber if you were holding the rifle further back, but not if it was resting on the foreend.

>>34267058
Looks beaut. I'm building my first "precision" oriented rifle off a .223 Howa barrelled action and I think I'll go with the LSS too. I'm a bit torn with stock options, there are some awesome looking adjustable cheek riser/LOP stocks but they cost as much as the action did.

That is a fucking monster barrel you've squeezed in to that chassis though. What calibre is it?

>>34267159
Yes its a common issue for low budget rifle with free floating barrels.
You just have to sand down some of the polymer to have a proper free floating barrel, it tooks me ten minutes to do it.

its generally the same for triggers but again you can always work on it for free.

I think the medium budget rifles are the same as low budget rifle except trigger and stock that are slightly better. And they make you pay twice the price of low budget rifles only for that enhanced trigger/stock whereas you can do it yourself for free. glassbed is also cheap.

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Bought a Remington 700 SPS years ago and want to get a sexy stock. Like the look of the Ruger Precision Rifle and I came across a drop-in chassis similar to it. Been thinking about buying the AB Arms Mod X gen III. Anyone heard anything about it? I found a coupon code to get it 20%off.

My ideal stock is a McMillan A5 but those are closer to $900 and always seem to be back ordered with long wait times.

>>34267491
Bump
That's the shit Marine snipers choose

>>34267491
Maybe you should just buy a new rifle like the ruger precision, because your barrel may be used, and you could sell it and use the price to buy your ruger.

It could be the occasion to make a good barrel break in procedure.

>>34266993
Yes, only other rifles worth getting IMO are CTR or Bergara

>>34268406
"choose"

>>34269440
Got a Bergara BMP14 in 6.5. Can confirm the trigger is amazing

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Who else here lower medium range fags?

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>>34269739
I used to do medium range with this before I sold it. RRA NM A4. Actually kind of miss it, was a phenomenal .223 gun.

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Lots of MDT chassis in these threads.

Literal poorfag echo chamber ITT

No one cares you are asshurt about having to own a Savage rifle and Barska optics.

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I did 400 yards on a 36" target with this, standing, off-hand. Took some sighting in but it was satisfying hearing the *GONG* louder than any other rifle has made on that.

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>>34266993

See:

>>34267018

Stocky's has a line of polymer stocks they commissioned that seem to be ok.

However, I think the Bell and Carlson Medalist stocks are the best mix of price and functionality. I had one on my Howa 1500 Targetmaster and was very impressed.

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>>34269812
I've since sold this but it worked quite well. My complaint was the bipod was too close and working the bolt seemed to torque the rifle too much; I don't know how to properly explain the last one but it may have just been my shitty bipod.

>>34269818
>he thinks you need $3k rifle and $5k optics to do half MOA these days
Bruh, the optics and rifles these days are fucking amazing. We're past the days of buying a 700 and removing everything but the action and bolt.

>>34269794
>carry handle wrong

why

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>>34269875
>and POG thought my CTR's barrel was thin.
Lol glad I sold the T3.

>>34269875

>My complaint was the bipod was too close

One of the drawbacks of it being the "lightweight" stock is how short the bottom of it is.

I'll say that it is nowhere NEAR as """light"""" as MDT billed it to be.

>>34269888

Chekt

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>>34269881
0.040" peep sight with 1/4"x1/4" adjustments. For CMP NM competition.

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Going to try out the g20 & new octane soon! Ok now I'm done photodumping

>>34269962

What 10mm ammo are you using?

I've been having trouble finding anything that's both full power and affordable for my Dad's 10mm. The S&B is pretty slow.

>>34267058
Why is your scope so high off your barrel? Do you like having to use every millimeter of cheek rest adjustment?

General question:

For a long range small-medium game hunting and target shooting rifle that will be wearing a 20-22" medium profile barrel, would you rather a 6mm Creedmoor or a straight up .243?

>>34270324

How small of game?

A 22-250 or 220 Swift might be more appropriate for ground hogs, while still having the ability to kill a white tail if needed.

>>34270362

>ground hogs

*prairie dogs

>>34266973
Ignore those faggots. You can usually tell how ignorant someone is of the sport based on how much they correlate tools with performance.

>>34270362
Prairie dogs, coyotes, javelina, Cou's whitetail, antelope.

Too windy for a .22cal here imo, although it would certainly get the job done if I can put the bullet in the right spot. I have an ancient .243 Remington model 7 I've been using and I love the caliber, but it's got a wholly wrong twist rate for the bullets I'll be using (it's a 1:14, I need at least a 1:9).

I'm not a novice to long range shooting or hunting, just want a new toy so I'm not lugging my 12lb .308 around.

Poor here
I'm looking for a .223 rifle
Should I go Ruger American/ Savage Axis II/ Tikka (idk)
They are all at my LGS for under 400 brand new
The Savage comes with a Bushnell garbage can on top

>>34270453
Of the three the Tikka will be the nicest over all.

The Ruger and the Tikka will probably tie or come close enough to tying on accuracy.

>>34270453

I'd say a Howa 1500 over the American or Axis.

>>34270402

243 is a great round, it'll do the trick. 6.5CM is more optimized for long range, and it's a real barrel burner of a cartridge.

Prairie dogs are usually a high round count sport, so I'd go with 243.

>>34270453
If you can get a tikka 223 under 400...definitely do that. Otherwise I've heard (surprisingly) good things about the ruger American rifles.

>>34270402
Perhaps I'm retarded but I thought the 4300ft/s would more than make up for the lighter weight bullets. Youtube has some guys popping prairie dogs at distance in really nasty winds with those 22-250/swift

>>34270495
is 6.5 cm really that bad of a barrel burner? Everyone sucks its dick so hard i find myself hating it because it just reinvented the wheel....

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>>34270453
Get a savage that has their new accu stock, I have a model 16 shits fucking cash, best possible rifle that less then $2000 can buy. Also go 50/50 with your glass and rifle.

>>34270495
I was comparing .243 and 6mm CM, not 6.5CM. The 6mm should be much less of a barrel burner as it's basically just a lower capacity .243.

How the fuck would a 6.5CM be a barrel burner over a .243? Smaller case capacity operating at lower pressure with a steeper shoulder and a bigger diameter, heavier bullet should equal significantly longer barrel life.

>>34270517
No, it absolutely can be done and yes velocity helps a lot. I'd rather shoot a heavier, higher-BC bullet slower though, as I'd also like to use it for target shooting out to around 900m which requires bullets with a higher BC than what .22-250 can handle with factory barrel twist rates.

>>34270481
>>34270495
>>34270517
Thanks guys the Tikka did feel and look the best. Last question there is a howa a few dollars above my price range and tikka would it be better than the tikka?

>>34270518
Not until you're shooting lightweight varmint bullets at warp factor fuck (>3100fps). Of course, EVERY caliber is a barrel burner when you're pushing light bullets as hard as you can.

With industry standard loads 6.5CM has similar barrel life to .308win and significantly longer barrel life than .243win.

>>34270522
Would it be worth getting the Savage over the tikka because of the aftermarket support?

>>34270545
Remove and tikka sorry guys drunk

>>34270556
No.

You're poor. The Tikka comes pretty well set up from the factory, there really isn't anything worth changing out on it. Literally nothing would provide enough of a benefit to justify the cost.

>>34270577
Thank you luckily I will not be poor for too long

>>34270556
tikka doesnt really have much aftermarket because it comes pretty much optimized from the factory. Like the other anon said theres nothing you can do to it that will improve its performance that is worth the money. The only things youll find really are "bells and whistles" ie stuff that makes it custom but doesnt really change anything important

>>34270556
There's a decent after market for both, I just think the savage is a better rifle, I own the savage and have only shot a t3 a couple times so I might be biased. But cmon, you can't get much better then a savage model 16:
>Bolt feels like sex
>Trigger feels like sex + fun sized mars bars
>Every caliber under the sun
>Accu stock feels like lsd laced mars bar dick expanding orgasm
>Is more accurate then 99.999999993% of people will ever be
>Stainless

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>>34270193
Mostly do 40sw but I got some mag tech I think. Primers on all the ammo I've shot have been super soft or this g20 is raping the fuck out of them; I've pierced more than one on factory ammo, even popped one out. I'm going to get some underwood or double tap hard cast 200gr's I think but I also have pic related so I'm not in a terrible rush

>>34270632
Is the 16 an axis II?

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>>34270638
Oh, sorry, I didn't really answer your question. I'm not aware of full power 10mm, that's also affordable.

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I know this isn't a really expensive setup but I've never shot much range and I want to dip my toes with this rifle then later go for a magnum rifle. Was thinking 7mm mag or 300 win mag but 6.5 creedmore seems to be very popular right now.

Rem 700 AAC-SD with Leupold base/rings, Nikon 4-12, tacfire brake, cheap bipod, G3 sling and no name stock pad/pouch.

>>34270654
Pretty much, but with a different barrel, a nicer bolt and a stock worth more then $5. And in my opinion the best fucking stock on the planet.

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>>34270671
1.34 in at 100 yards with 7 shots. The one on the bottom was the first shot at 100 after sighting in at 75. Had a poi shift after putting the brake on.

45 grains of win 748 with surplus 147gr fmj bullets. Its a 1/10 twist so I will get some 168 grain quality bullets and Chrono them for improved accuracy.

>>34270193
Sig Saur 180gr FMJ chronos at 1250 fps
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwpTtD0x3WQ

$0.39/round
http://www.cabelas.com/product/shooting/ammunition/handgun-ammunition|/pc/104792580/c/104691780/sc/104372280/null/2247664.uts?avad=74383_cec62cd1&WT.mc_id=al56335&Subid1=SID&subacctid=56335&subacctname=56335&adname=Custom+Link&adtype=cl&adid=NA&utm_medium=AFF&utm_source=56335&rid=12&WT.tsrc=AFF


If you reload, try HSM 180gr FMJ
$0.31/per round, but they only chrono at 1050 (despite being advertised at 1150)
Hoewever, they use starline brass, which is great for reloading.
https://www.ammunitiondepot.com/2344-hsm-10mm-180-gr-fmj.html?affiliates=17889

>>34270671
That should work perfectly fine given you are familiar with your scope

>>34270671

Expecting anything out of a rubber stock.

Lol

>>34270545
OZfag here.
Tikka & Howa are the two most popular lower priced brands. Tikka will have a better out of the box trigger. Howa has a variety of stock options from sad flexible plastic to quite good. Check which is being offered.
Both should offer minute of angle or close to it, off a bench with good glass and a good shooter.
Howa's (and the re-branded Weatherby Vanguard) were used by my club as rental rifles because they are cheap and reliable.
Highly modified Tikka's were used for 600m High Power matches by the better shooters.
If the Tikka is cheaper, get it, if the Howa (with good stock) is cheaper, get it.

>>34270726
Groups seem fine for a starter rifle. Whats a good stock? Are those Magpul ones worth their salt? I like the idea of a box mag.

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>>34266874
In.
Howa 1500 w/ 24" 1 in 10 barrel.
Bell and Carlson stock
Vortex Viper PST 6-24x50FFP MRad w/ Nightforce rings

Just got 100 rounds worth of 175gr Sierra MatchKings, AR2208 powder, federal gold medal match primers, and ADI 308 brass. Going to start handloading soon.

My mag COAL is 2.875", so I figure it'll probably be less than the bore COAL, but I'll check anyway.

ADI has recommended loads for the 175gr SMK starting at 42 grains and "safe max" at 45 grains (compressed), ALL with a COAL of just 2.800". Any recommendations for how I should do about this? I'm thinking.
>Start at 42 grains, loading 3 rounds
>Increase by 0.5 grains incrementally, loading 3 rounds until 46.5 grains

Any suggestions?

>>34270709
You're measuring groups wrong.
It's the centre of the two farthest apart holes, not the edges. If it was the edges, you'd inherently get worse groupings with larger bullets. Centre of hole represents the actual point of impact

>>34270671
Your bipod is on backwards

>>34273271
Gotcha

>>34273415
The legs fold forward.

>>34273209

308 is one of the few rounds I don't bother to hand load, since FGMM is relatively cheap, and I'm limited by magazines for COAL. That's what your book max is probably set at as well--the OAL for a DPMS pattern AR-10 magazine.

I see that you got the AICS bottom metal; I used the legacy sports magazines that came with the Howa 1500 Targetmaster I owned, and I wasn't impressed with their quality.

The stock, though, was great.

As for suggestions: SMK bullets like .003" of jump. I'd test your bore and see if you can achieve that with a COAL that fits in your mag. If not, then load as long as they will reliably feed from within the mag.

>>34269875
those are so close to being AESTHETIC but that hideous thin foreend just destroys boners like nothing else.

Just got back from the range breaking in my krieger AR-10 barrel. Apparently AR-10's can either use standard ar-15 rifle length tubes or an Armalite gas tube that is about .325" longer. I was able to get rounds to cycle pretty consistently but the bolt wasn't locking back. My Mega 308 barrel on my other AR-10 apparently didn't need it.

I got just above 2" 5 shot groups with standard fiocchi 308. I wasn't expecting much considering I was only just putting the first 30 rounds through my gun and using standard ammo.

>>34270709
Shouldn't you be measuring center to center? Your group is technically smaller than that.

>>34270324
I'd no question go for the 6CM but it really depends on which bullet weights you want to use.

If you want super fast lighter bullets that make prairie dogs explode then go with the .243 as they almost universally have slower twists that are good for lighter bullets.

If you want to shoot long distance heavier rounds then go with the 6. They are typically a faster 1:7 or 1:8 twist and do well with 100+ grain bullets.

I have an RPR in 6 and it's a fucking beast. Hornady is now making a 103gr hunting load with an expanding version of their ELD bullet. I'm excited to try it on coyotes and maybe even deer or pigs. I've been using their 108gr ELD on steel/paper and it's really excellent for a factory round.

Shooting ground squirrels is one of my favorite things so I use a dedicated caliber for that. I've tried .223s and .22-250s but my personal favorite is now the .204 Ruger. Stupidly flat shooting. 32gr VMAX going like 4200 fps and the rats explode like you wouldn't believe.

>>34267097

That's pretty tight for what it is, I'd hold onto that and never modify it

>>34270541
>The 6mm should be much less of a barrel burner as it's basically just a lower capacity .243.

The consensus seems to be that a 6mm will burn barrels faster than a 6.5

I think pretty much everyone who talks about "burning" barrels is full of shit and will never shoot enough to burn out a barrel.

And if you do then you've spent so much on ammo that a new $500 barrel is not that big of a deal.

>>34270402

A new, quality 243 would be best to stay cheap with high returns. As much as I dislike fudds, it really is a great long range small to medium game round and I even had to have one. I'm getting about 0.6 moa with just a floated barrel and bedded action on a winchestor 70 featherweight thats older than I am while using handloads but I wouldn't expect many model 70s to perform that way. I think I just got lucky.

Is there a budget optic list?

I'm new to rifles and looking for something cheap/decent to go with my $500 30-06.

>>34277601

Vortex

Bushnell Elite

SWFA

Burris

Nikon

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ammo came today. rifle by Wednesday and still waiting for arfcomer to ship my optic.

>>34273271
Thanks man.
Accurate mag make a 2.950 COAL mag without a binding plate, but it's less rigid.

>>34278031
>>34274942
wrong reply

Also FGMM is $2.50 a shot here. Handloading is much cheaper and results in a better product. Plus learning the skill is valuable.

>>34274492
Oh God damn it is on the right way.
I've noticed cheap bipod legs almost look like double jointed human limbs, where they over extend. It's probably because of the weak spring. Certainly save up and buy a 6-9" Harris bipod with the swivel canting feature, and you can swap it between your rifles

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>>34278343

>Also FGMM is $2.50 a shot here

Damn, it's $18/box on the PSA website on the regular; that's barely more than hunting ammo.

For that price, it's not worth my time to hand load--I'd be chasing the tiniest gains for a significant investment in time. Better to use my time loading 300 WM for precision. And, again, since I'm limited by AR-10 pmags, there's only so much I can customize the bullet to my chamber, unlike the 300WM again.

At $2.50/pr I'd probably hand load too though.

>>34278361

>Certainly save up and buy a 6-9" Harris bipod with the swivel canting feature, and you can swap it between your rifles

Be sure to get a KMW Pod Loc lever to adjust the tension and lock in the bipod's cant too. If your rifles are picatinny equipped, an ADM QD mount is also nice. That's the setup on my 308, pic related

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Photo dumping a bit
I replaced my sling swivels with the Atlas forend rail because the flat forend made mounting a sling swivel mounted bipod grind against the fibreglass and spin in place. Harris make flat forend adapters, but they're not as good as a rail. The rail also gives extra clearance to allow maximum utility of the swivel on the bipod.

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>>34278361
>>34278402
>>34278401

>KMW pod loc and ADM QD adapter

You can also just buy the Larue Harris mod and get all that functionality in one go (and a little more low profile)

http://www.larue.com/harris-bipod-brm-s-and-lt706-qd-swivel-mount-combo

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>>34278401
Forgot to say that. The stock tension knob is fucking impossible to move.

Photo dump continuing.
I learned a valuable lesson getting a gunsmith to mount my scope; for a price I could have done it myself if I had bought the torque wrench and mounting kit. He didn't even align it correctly the cunt.

>>34278421

Be wary of using external features like a turret to mount an optic. It works, and most of the time it's close enough, but nothing beats a plumb line. A plumb will level by the (usually etched) reticle, which is more precise than the tolerances in a mechanical turret or external scope feature.

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Final of dump.
Zeroed the rifle the other day.
Took a lot of work to get it working.
Gunsmith was an abolute shitcunt.
Just remembering what I had to do gives me headache.
>tl;dr 6 trips to gunsmith which were a 45 min drive each way
>lots of waiting because lmao no aftermarket accessories in Australia

>>34278445
Yeah I took the actual turret knob off so I was just doing it on the raw turret.
I was considering using a plumb line, but decided on this. It looks pretty level by my eye, and I doubt I'll be shooting long enough for it to make a great difference. I'll probably do plumb line next time

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>>34278491

Those Howa's will shoot some amazing groups.

I was well under 1 MOA with FGMM, and could cherry pick .5 MOA groups pretty often. Their CHF barrels are the real deal, and they are pinned to the action. Additionally, the recoil lug in an integral, machined part of the receiver. That's a list of stock features that should make Savage and Remington envious.

The one I had is one of the few rifles I regret selling, but there was no reason to own two 308 bolt actions of comparable use and accuracy--and I just liked the chassis look better.

Pic related is my old Howa 1500 Targetmaster that I re-scoped and re-stocked

https://www.legacysports.com/catalog/howa/howa-hogue-nikko-stirling-targetmaster-scoped-package/

how to break in barrel? just picked up a r700.

>>34278598

As long as you're shooting quality, copper jacketed ammo, I've never really bought into the hokum and pseudo-science of barrel break ins. I'm sure plenty of others will disagree, but I still continue to get appropriate levels of accuracy in my rifles without going OCD on the bore.

I would be a little squeamish about shooting steel jacketed ammo through a bore that hasn't established a good bearing surface, though.

>>34278557
Yeah 1MOA factory guarantee.
My gunsmith told me he rebarreled a government contractor's Howa that had had 13 barrels through it, and said the action was still flawless.
I have a .223 Howa as well, and was shooting MOA usually with just a bipod from a bench. Cherry picked a .38 MOA 3 shot group one time.

I've heard they have a lot of features that Remington don't, and are 1/3 the price (under $600 new here, occasionally under $500).

The Bell and Carlson stocks are nice hey. I'm glad I went with AICS bottom metal, and I like my cheek rest too.

I doubt I'll purchase a new rifle for a long while yet. I wouldn't mind saving up and getting an AX300 or something, but not until I'm a really good shooter. If anything, I'll shoot the barrel out of this Howa first and rebarrel it to 6.5 creedmoor.

>>34278598
I don't bother, but I'm no expert. I've heard many high level shooters say it's a waste of time, and shortens your barrel life (from the excessive cleaning during the break in).
Some gunsmiths say that improper and/or excessive cleaning is going to ruin your barrel more than omitting break in if anything.
Just clean the barrel after your first 20 rounds or so with copper solvent. Then every 100 rounds after that (but do run an oil patch through before you put it away to avoid rusting)

>>34267058
Neat. I am actually midway through building an almost identical one. look into the JP muzzle brakes that look like the end of a tank turret. It feels like im throwing .22's instead of .308's

How many extra grains of powder could I fit in a .308 round that was 2.875 COAL vs 2.800 COAL?
Like 2-3?

>>34266874
I fired my brother's ruger 6.5cm last weekend. it was quite unpleasant and uncomfortable to operate. his scope was zoomed in so far that it took me a good minute or two to find the target and take aim. his buddies remshit 308 shot like a dream.
does ruger suck or was my brothers setup just weird?

>>34270249
I have a similar savage and that's just how they make the rail for them. I have the same stock and thankfully the XLR design has a ton of cheek adjustment to compensate. It's not bad once you get used to it.

>>34278673

run it in quickload to see what charge hits the p-max

>>34278625
Accuracy International thinks break in is a meme, fwiw

>>34278698

You should dial down and increase your FOV to acquire the target, then dial up once you're on it.

As for the ergonomics/operation--I dunno man. Maybe you just don't like the AR-style/tactical control setup.

>>34278701
I don't have it :(

>>34278734

It's on a website that rhymes with duh Birate Pay.

what type of notes should i have if i want to get into long range shooting?

>>34275484
I'll predominantly be shooting 90gr Nosler BTs and 107gr SMKs. I've already got the .243 with the 1:14 barrel for assploding Pdogs at modest ranges, if I use the new rifle on them it will primarily be at 400+ yards with heavy match bullets.

Current factory .243s will stabilize the 107smk just fine. Don't need an ultra fast twist, I'm not shooting JLKs or DTACs.

>>34278718
I have an AR so I'm familiar. I'm thinking he either positions his head in a weird way or he doesn't shoulder it properly or something. the recoil just felt like shit with how I had to use his scope.

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2 moa with surplus ball still precision?

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>>34279000

Chekt

Precise for a nugget

>>34279012
Sexy nugget

>>34275575
I'm not worried about cost, and yes I'm aware of how good a .243 can shoot.

My old one is damn near quarter-MOA 3-shot, which I realize isn't the greatest metric for accuracy but it's a super thin even by sporter barrel standards barrel so I don't wanna shoot 5-shot groups with it.
>>34275515
Yes, all else being equal (for example 6CM vs 6.5CM or .243 vs .308) the smaller bore diameter will erode the throat and leade faster. Previous guy was stating that the 6CM would shoot out a barrel faster than a .243, which is ass backwards.

I shoot enough I have shot out several barrels. But you're right, barrel life isn't a huge concern for this gun.

>>34270495
>6.5CM
>barrel burner
>compared to fucking .243

Dude..

>>34277601
>target optics
Bushnell Elite fixed 10x

SWFA SS fixed 10x and 12x

Vortex Viper HS-T and HS-LR
>hunting optics
Nikon Prostaff

Burris

Vortex Diamondback

>I am completely destitute and need SOMETHING that will hold zero
Simmons 8-point, it's surprisingly durable and clearer than its $40 price tag would suggest. Still not great but orders of magnitude bettter than any of the chinkshit you'll find on Amazon.

>>34270671
>>34270709
1.34-0.30=1.04"
That's very good for a pulled bullet.

>>34278598
>>34278625
Barrel break-in does pretty much nothing for accuracy on any rifle, and absolutely nothing for accuracy on a rifle with a good barrel.

Basically all it is is a final lapping step, which aids cleaning.

Any company that lead-laps their barrels (any big-name barrel company all the way down to Shilen and Green Mountain's premium line) and all the complete-rifle companies like GAP, AI, etc lead-lap their barrels. While it can be done, improvements will be very very minor.

So the tl;dr is:
>standard production rifles generally benefit from break-in
>custom/semicustom/rebarreled rifles generally do not

>>34279178
x2 for Vortex
Check for sales on Viper PST Gen 1, as Gen 2 just came out, and EOFY sales.
Vortex also have an unconditional, transferable lifetime warranty, so don't be hesitant to check for second hand scopes

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>>34278796

prg

Links for /PSG/
>Group calc program
http://www.ontargetshooting.com/
>Ballistic calc and chart
http://www.jbmballistics.com/cgi-bin/jbmtraj-5.1.cgi
>Turret/ milling/ basic windage/ basic drop/ Practice
http://www.shooterready.com/lrsdemo.html
>Data books
http://www.scout.com/military/snipers-hide/forums/5539-diy/13433967-d-i-y-data-books

>Basic forum work
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rLfYLM48Ms [Embed]

>Glass basics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVF2pdHbX1M [Embed]

>Sniper 101 link for the lazy crowd.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwG-D0HjCBQ [Embed]


> Math suggestions to get you on target
http://www.millettsights.com/resources/shooting-tips/mathematics-for-precision-shooters/

>Blank dope book

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1S4g3GGWc_ZrLoRyxGRso5bMPRpHaAmyxvtIVj_INddI/edit?usp=sharing
>Pathsofglory's fap page
http://precisionrifleblog.com/

http://precisionrifleblog.com/2014/09/19/tactical-scopes-field-test-results-summary/

>>34279164

Yeah, fair, I just always compare it to 308 in my head. 243 definitely takes the cake on barrel life in this situation--and since Anon mentioned hunting prairie dogs, that'll be amplified with light bullets going at reckless speeds.

Why are shooting slings good on traditional rifles but shit on ar-15 kinds of guns?

Huntingfag here, anyone own a vortex diamondback?

>>34279510
I've got the Viper HS 2.5-10x42, it's similar.

Got questions on it?
>>34279488
But they're not shit on AR15's tho?

>>34279667
It heavy? Also what's the clarity like?

>>34279488
If you walk long distances with an AR then a traditional sling would be handy. Not the best for quick deployment.

>>34279698
It's not really that heavy, although it will be heavier than comparable 1" tube scopes (like the Diamondback).

Clarity is fucking excellent, it's clearer than my Leupold Mk4 and pretty close to my Huskemaw Blue Diamond.

>>34279729
What's the adjustment like?

>>34279698
>>34279729
To give you an idea on weight difference, the Viper HS 2.5-10x44 (apparently it's a 44mm objective even though it ships with and fits the Viper 42mm sun shade...wtf) is 16.5oz, or a cunthair over a pound.

The closest Diamondback is the 3-9x40 at 14.4oz. Right at 2oz difference. The next closest is the 3.5-10x50 at 16.2oz.

Compared to a Leupold VX3i 3.5-10x40 at 12.6oz to get an idea of something at a similar price point, I will say that they're noticeably but not significantly heavier. I like Vortex's reticles better and think they do better at light gathering but the glass clarity will be comparable within a $100 window on either side.

>>34279760
Crisp and repeatable, it passed the box test multiple times. Turrets are positive without being stiff, but they're capped hunting turrets so that's pretty expected.

>>34279786
How easy to clean are the lenses? Also how is it in low light and fog?

What, if any, good precision rimfire rifles exist outside of Olympic target rifles?

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>>34279817
I'm a fan of the CM-2 , my savage 17 tr does alright.

>>34279805
Lenses are as easy to clean as any other lens, either a lens pen or go to Sam's Club and buy a gorillion-pack of the Swaro lens cleaning wipes for $15.

Has provided enough light to ID and place shots accurately within all legal shooting hours. I've not used it in fog, fog doesn't really happen here. However it has done admirably in one particular downpour, was able to ID and kill an elk at 400 yards in the late evening in heavy rain.

Definitely very impressed with its light gathering ability, I'd say it competes with a lot of the mid-range 50mm objective scopes. One of the benefits of being a 30mm tube instead of 1" like most hunting scopes.
>note that I don't expect the Diamondback to perform as well due to being a 1" tube

>>34279817
My BRNO model 4 is a hell of a tackdriver.

>>34279247
is there a premade book of this type of thing or do i need to make one for my reticle?

ive seen pictures of peoples books with a chart of clicks for different distances, is this something you make yourself?

>>34279817
CZ 452/455, Savage MK II FV-SR

>>34266973
Mate, I'm saving up for a vortex viper...
fixed 10x bushnell with mil dots and doing fine. only just starting want to do more than the scope can.

>>34279817
Depends on your idea of precision.

If we're talking club to state level smallbore competition, not many. Kimber 82 Military, Anschutz 54 or 64 (main difference being threaded barrel shank vs pressed barrel shank), maybe a CZ 452.

>>34279878
Yes; you can use premade ones however , they will not as accurate. The best thing to do is record each "zero" and the correction there of after you zero.

>>34279817
Find an single shot toz or cz from the days of competition shooting before big stocks. If you get lucky it will be a one hole gun that's fairly light.

>>34279829
>>34279886
I noticed that the Ruger American occupies the same price point as the Savages you guys mentioned. How does it compare?

>>34279981
Consider the Howa 1500 too

>>34279981
Trigger is similar to the Accutrigger. Stock is floppy. I like that it's a 3-lug bolt with a ~60* bolt throw, and that it has a tang safety.

They're generally MOA rifles, and a great bargain for a hunting gun, but due to lacking a factory heavy barrel option they're not the greatest precision gun.

>>34280031
What configuration would you recommend?

>>34280081
There's a number of options, but you can actually buy a barreled action with no stock (or rail).
That way you can just purchase your own stock or chassis, and a 20MOA rail if you want to.

>>34280050
Savage model 16 fag here, the accustock if fucking awesome (For hunting), I think the cheap stocks they have on stuff now is how they manage to get such a good rifle at a competitive, really fucking hope they're trying to find a way to make the accustock the standard for the axis.

>>34280100
While I agree, I'm talking about the Ruger American.

Just found a remingtom model 7 cdl in .308 for 750.
Decent rifle? Seems alright enough. What kind of accuracy out of the box am i looking at? Mostly got it because i acquired some 7.62x51 and had nothing to shoot it out of and didnt have a durr rifle.

>>34280632
Depends when it was made, the model 7's weren't immune to the remshit change.

The 7 is basically a 700 with a quarter inch lopped off the front of the action. They're not very stiff, but they were intended to be a light, compact "carbine" rifle for carrying a lot and shooting very little. They succeed at this.

3-round-group accuracy is generally good if you got an older one or lucked out and got a not-fucked one. Be aware they are only available with thin sporter barrels (actually a little thinner profile than the standard R700 sporter) so they heat up very fast and will exhibit vertical stringing in short order. My model 7 .243 is almost a quarter-MOA 3-shot gun with lighter weight handloads, but is old enough it won't handle many of the common hunting bullets due to a too-slow twist rate.

So would 308 be one of the better chamberings i could get a t3 in if i want to get into long distance shooting and also regular hunting.

>>34282263

308 is mild in recoil, and long on barrel life.

However, it isn't a perfect match round. The bullets usually have inferior ballistics to more modern 6.5mm chamberings. Also, ammo availability and options for 308 are mind boggling.

That said, inside of 750 yds, 308 is still a top tier competitor. After that is where performance drops off.

If you won't be shooting further than that (and most new shooters won't be for a while), 308 is a fine choice.

>>34282674
Awesome thanks man i think i'll go with that. Should i just get the rifle and a good scope for right now?

>>34282674
Awesome thanks man i think i'll go with that. Should i just get the rifle and a good scope for right now?

>>34283339
I'd look into a good bipod as well, and depending on what scope you get you might want a cheek riser or stock saddle. But no reason to modify the gun itself.

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>>34273209

You might start a bit lower. I've found ~42 grains of IMR 4064 to be the sweet spot for my .308.

5 shot group. YMMV