airguns advice?

What country are you in op? I'd go for the 9mm one a 9mm hole in anyone will fuck them up also look for heavier ammo and hollow points dump all energy you can inside their body anything over 50ft/lbs of energy will cause alot of damage inside the body depending on bullet diameter

>>34262559
Netherlands. So I took the .22LR standard as a sort of guide not knowing the threshold of what energy starts becoming damage. So you're saying 50 ft/lbs which is way less than average .22LR, then I think the semi/full auto still is an option because it is at least twice as powerful as 50 ft/lbs. Thanks

>>34262559
>50ft/lbs of energy will cause alot of damage
what do you base this on? like is there some source to learn more about this?

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>>34262517
>no regulations on air guns
>250 J air rifle
I wish the same regulations in Poland. Air rifles up to 17 J are joke

>>34262659
Sure man it is called hydrostatic shock and it takes a minimum of around 50ft/lbs of energy to occur however a heavier larger slower moving object produces more hydrostatic shock than faster lighter smaller moving object for instance a .22 rifle cartridge going 1200fps will do less damage than a .50cal doing 500fps alot of it is to do with dumping energy within the body a hammer blow for instance is a heavy slow moving object it produces a high hydrostatic shock and breaks bones and tissue without penetration however a .22lr going 1200fps will pass through a human quite cleanly and may not cause alot of damage

>>34262836
17j or 12ftlbs is enough to kill rabbits and small birds every time my .22 air rifle is 12ftlbs and it kills rabbits out to 50yds a 17j air rifle in .22 or .25 will drop a human being if hit in vital areas a .177 or .20 may struggle however bit it is not impossible

Find out wether there are ballistic gelatine tests or something like that. It's doubtful either of these guns achieves the 12 inch standard for penetration; go for the one with more penetration. For comparison, a .380 ACP has at least 250 J and that's considered the bare acceptable minimum for self defense.
Also, make sure it's reliable. These things are probably way more complex and less sturdily built than firearms.
Also, if you're worried about it failing entirely, get a sword/machete as backup.

>>34262517
So a point blank headshot with one of these air guns would do what exactly? Kill? KO? Or just put a bump on his head?

>>34262517
If its got more energy than .22lr than it will kill a person. Its not the best choice, but if its your only choice it will work

>>34263221
You shoot anyone with a firearm travelling faster than 100fps it will penetrate 300fps it will break bone if you shoot someone with a heavy .50cal bullet going 600fps you will kill them no doubt about it

>>34263242
.22lr and .22 short were originally designed to be concealed weapons to kill people and both have adequately killed people in the past at the very least you will wound and deter any attacker hell the noise and sight of a 9mm or .50cal airgun would make me thing twice

In the usa and south Africa they hunt boar with .50cal airguns if you shoot and drop a boar you can shoot and drop a man very easily

>>34263221
Well some sources say a .22lr has about 170j so imagine a more powerful shot with a larger round. Since we're talking about .50 with the max-ml. What the 9mm with 150 joule will do is probably not any healthier but I think someone else can be more specific here. I imagine it will penetrate the skull and damage the brain. I've seen airguns with 2000 joule too but can't afford those and less versatile.

>>34263294
Lmao whats the point of having guns banned when these air guns are for all intents and purposes real guns

>>34263314
>implying politicians have adequate brains and won't ban these at some point too

The time to buy is now desu

>>34262957
good

>>34263314
I can't speak for the Netherlands, but here in bongland the tl:dr is that basically air gun technology has outpaced legislation. And because guns (and especially airguns) are such an obscure hobby (in the UK anyhow), people aren't really exposed to it, so no one cares. I don't have any airguns but I shoot clay and my uni friends usually don't even know that it's legal to own a shotgun for sporting purposes.

>>34264157
Legal to own a shotgun fullstop so long as you have written permission to shoot on some land same with a FAC I have a rifle for deer 3 shotgun and 2 air guns for rabbits and crows basic vermin the two I use the most are my air rifle and my baikal semi auto shotgun

>>34264372
what country this?

>>34264447
UK

>>34263084
same brand different rifle, similar specs
https://youtu.be/-iACiJBPZoU?t=57

>>34264704
wth trying again

https://youtu.be/-iACiJBPZoU