Middle East General, Raqqa falling

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Any news from Yemen today?

>>34257252
Nice recent footage of Houthis ATGMing a pickup loaded with saudi mercenaries

https://youtu.be/Vp2YPLXf7KM>>34257252

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Video of aftermath of Raqqa bombing.


>https://twitter.com/worldonalert/status/875106979294961665

>Exclusive: U.S. expands presence in Syrian desert, rebels say
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-usa-exclusive-idUSKBN1951YX

This has been a shitty day for Middle East coverage.

Some action from Mosul

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2_OXLfYbkYY&feature=youtu.be

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3WM0_v4v3w&feature=youtu.be

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>>34258304
mufuggin SOON

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>>34257807

There are no civilians in ISIS held territory.

Every womb is an incubator for Jihad and every child is a Jihadist in training.

More death and shrapnel please.

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>>34259432
>isis waste

feed em to the dogs :^)

Syria: SAA and Hezbollah set up bases near Iraqi border

https://youtu.be/kAH14ctxliI

>>34260459
>sykes pico border
>trees

is such a thing even possible?

>>34259439
Vebieds soon

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looks like houthis got another saudi ship

https://twitter.com/MIG29_/status/875053179557347328

>>34261547
Based

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So are there still western volunteers present in the YPG and if so, are any near Raqqa? Also has the SDF expanded their arsenal or is it still for the most part infantry-based?

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>>34257721
Holy shit was that guy able to walk away afterwards? He looks hurt though. Did the tow only hit the ground near the techie?

>>34261845
Looked to me like he was physically fine but in complete shock after seeing 2+ of his friends blown to shreds & he was praying or something, not collapsed.

>>34261547
fucking embarrassing

>>34259554
they are cuddling with the corpse, not eating it like the kitties do
its the older adult doggos and doggeses that eat corpses in war
thats why they are all so weird and well fed in a warzone

>>34261862
Yeah he does do the whole bow to allah thing doesn't he? Still crazy that he lived, probably not for long though huh

>>34261547
>>34259554

Noice.

I like when the good guys win.

It's never going to end, is it?

>>34262606
With refugees?
It will spread like a cancer.
They`re taking them everywhere, LA, OCE, Europe, and they`re a major problem in some parts of Asia.

>>34262617
I just meant middle eastern conflict in general.

It's weird how refugees only started coming after the Syrian conflict, though.

>>34262675
Gaddafi warned, some bureaucrats decided Islam was to be spread worldwide, Iran was a laboratory to mix socialism/communism and Islam.
Add some Sayyid Qutb to the mix, there you have it.
>ISIS
Or whatever, it`s just a particular name in regards to muslims that follow openly the Qur`an and the Hadiths.
After 9/11 I spent too much time reading into this, before I didn`t even bothered about the fact Islam even existed.

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>>34261810
Holy shit /k/omrades represent

>>34262617
>>34262706
This is what happens when you go to other countries and try to decide who should be in charge. Americans deserve it.

>>34262710
>Americans deserve it
Well, I`m not anti-American, I agree with them to a certain point.
The only thing I disagree is why should they not get rid of Islam altogether, they`re a cancer in this world, like communism.

How so?

Other than the usual derailing my only main complaint is that /k/ didn't have a thread for over a day.

>>34262710
The fucked up part that America is not taking the brunt of it though, Europe is. The two big oceans and landmasses separating them from the Mideast and Europe helped a lot to mitigate the worst of the refugee crisis on their side. Geography is on the side of the Americans, but the American MSM just makes it out like it's an existential threat to them when it really isn't.

>>34262723
Western intervention in the Soviet-Afghan War may have hastened the process in the 1980s a bit but communist governments didn't entirely collapse on the West's hand. They collapsed on themselves due to economic stagnation and financial strain from extending too far in foreign policy, which translated to local disobedience among locals.

The bearers of Islam don't have these problems because they're rolling in oil wealth despite low oil prices, while backing those that can operate with an iron fist and face little to no opposition because many local Muslim populations are culturally subversive to their authority, regardless of how poorly developed or stagnated their economy is.

Laser-precised measures are a good start; financially cripple rich Arab Gulf states and Iran by rendering their oil supply obsolete, and they'll struggle to project their backwards culture abroad. But even then it would take generations before the benefits of that move catches up.

>>34259501
SAA already figured this out.

They pretty much shoot everyone who walks upto them that isn't naked.

>>34262873
They`re still a cultural machine that can dominate populations because of their huge demographics and the Civil Code that they follow, allowing the systematic rape, murder, terror, or whatever else means they find to cripple an enemy, since the West adopted a system that protects a Constitution that their books carry inside them.
If the law binds you to fight against it, and in many cases, promotes it, turns out that the spare individuals they are sending abroad - mostly poor folks that are the most affected for not being able to buy a wife - and apply their methods at will.
Would a rape be considered terrorism? No.
Would a theft followed by homicide be considered terrorism? No.
So that just falls through the cracks of statistics of ill intentioned people that want to promote their disruption in their own countries for their own interests.
Populations are mostly ignorants of how they work, they think an act of terror is a perversion of their religion, when in fact, it is accepted to be used against their enemies.
And who are their enemies?
Those that are in the "House of War", everyone that isn`t living in a Islamic country.
People don`t usually talk about such matters anywhere because, well, they are protected by special interests.
Speaking of the economics or any other matter becomes irrelevant when they can enter your country in great proportion and multiply like a virus, once they`re a higher portion of the population, they`ll just demand their Civil Code to be applied.
Note, I don`t consider it a religion, by any means, it`s mostly a trojan horse that people fail to take into account.

>>34262873
In regards to communism/socialism, well, it`s spread worldwide in different flavours, gramsicsm, trotskyism, maoism, marxism, leninism and their new intelligentsia with the Frankfurt School just helped spreading the poison.

>>34262972
gramscism*
But this is not the board for this subject.

>>34256378
Is John Cantlie dead decaying in a ditch? I want a happy ending. I want him to write a book, I want closure.

>>34263223
100% chance he has either died from some sort of medical issue (he looked like he was starving in their latest video) or was executed, no way he gets out alive

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>>34262975
Humourously you'll have much better civil discussion about that topic in a /k/ war thread instead of the designated political board.

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>>34263229
:( No, I want a movie ending.

>>34262937
>I don`t consider it a religion, by any means, it`s mostly a trojan horse that people fail to take into account.

It IS a religion as much it is a means of subjugation. If it weren't for the superstition that one gets to live a afterlife of bliss and orgies through violence and destruction in the name of their faith in their earthly existence, Islam wouldn't have the allure for these aimless fucks.

>>34263289
I question the whole orgies part of that. Like I bet some dummies believe it, but wasn't the "72 virgins" misinterpretation/mistranslation?

>>34262972
There is clashing ideological thought as well, no doubt about that. But that only affected the ability for socialist and communist states to band together. What really led to the collapse of the communist movement were decades of economic mismanagement in multiple communist states and the Soviet Union's excessive overreach, both reducing the ideology to a laughing stock in the eyes of the West by 1991.

Am I the only one who is still shocked when they think about the fact Russia literally annexed Crimea

Seems like people have moved on from it largely but its still pretty crazy to think about how that whole thing happened in our time, especially in Europe of all places

Russia is spooky and it worries me greatly that the current US administration won't be able to deal with him, even Bush Jr was completely shook by the end of his admin by Putin

>>34263505

Russia is the greatest hope for carrying on this pale imitation of Western Civilization we have.

>>34263505
It's not that spooky when you look into it. Crimea was merely a slice of pie that the Soviet Russians gifted to the Ukrainians in the 1950s, so the population there politically leaned more heavily in favor of Russia. When the Crimean separatists declared that they want to fuck off from Ukraine, modern Russia capitalized on taking back what it viewed as "leashed land".

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>>34263505

>Russia worries me

stop poking the bear

>>34263851
HAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHA

A society of HIV infested drunks is to be the salvation of white civilization.

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>the call that saved Tiger

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>>34263851
>slavs
>civilization

got bad news for you anon

>>34262873
Really, afghanistan just had too many elements present already (that is, tribes and ethnic groups vying for power) which meant that the communist government needed outside support that it didn't really have.

The government had control of a lot of stuff left over from the soviets which meant that they were bolstered militarily for a while but the mujahedeen had the support of both the US and China...

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>>34259554

Southern Tabqa , Russian forces

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>>34256378
PKK finally smoking Turk armour with ATGMs, was wondering when this'd happen again. They're getting loads of ATGMs and MANPADs from the conflict further south.

https://twitter.com/AfarinMamosta/status/875402916655452160

Oh, and Trump signed a deal with Qatar today for an unknown number of F-15C's. Nice.

>>34264363
B-b-but Trump said Qatar must stop being terrorism!

>>34263928

Pretty cool patches desu.

>>34261547
LMao

>>34264516

F-15QA's, not F-15C's. My bad.

But yeah, terrorism is terrorism... but 12 billion dollars is more important.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-sells-qatar-12-billion-arms-days-after-accusing-it-of-funding-terrorism/

>>34264945

I need to read more before I post. That's a 21 billion dollar arms deal. 12 billions for the fighter planes and 9 billion for other, unspecified arms.

>>34264363
With all planned tax cuts and faltering civil manufacturing base the American budget practically relies even more on the sale of military grade equipment to just about anyone that is at the good graces of the Americans.

>>34263505
Am I the only one who is still shocked when they think about the fact US literally annexed parts of Syria

Seems like people have moved on from it largely but its still pretty crazy to think about how that whole thing happened in our time, especially in Middle East of all places

Tora Bora, the CIA-built mountain compound in Afghanistan, has possibly been captured by ISIS on Wednesday - from Taliban, which have been in control of it until now.

Seriously? The US has not bombed this facility into fine powder over a decade ago? Did they lose track of the coordinates or what?

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>>34265589
US has actually been active on the border with syria and iraq for a long time, even moving into syria to strike targets back in 08. IIRC there were also SF strikes in syria during that time but with just a quick glance on google I cant find any references to it. There was also some village the marines took over for a few months and held for some time. Anyways, the point is all memes aside the actions in tanaf arnt really unprecedented, either in syria or other insurgent border conflicts

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Kamal
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Steel_Curtain
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Qa%27im_(town)

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>>34265862

how can tora bora exist if osama was in pakistan all along? check mate mujahid

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>>34265862
>Seriously? The US has not bombed this facility into fine powder over a decade ago? Did they lose track of the coordinates or what?

It IS a complex built into a mountain range. I highly doubt bunker busters will be effective there.

>>34266050

I am sorry, but for humanity's sake I can't allow you to stay in the gene pool. Deliver your balls in the nearest facility equipped for dealing with toxic matter. Thank you for your cooperation.

Now I think about it, there is of course another possibility - that the place is riddled with CIA microphones and sensors, and that satellites are recording every movement in the surrounding area.

>>34261845
>>34261862
Why do people always assume that people who don't die instantly must be ok? 99% this bugger was bleeding out

Growing mushrooms, under siege

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2hu1Q4mAS50

>>34267182
With modern CASEVAC, you have a pretty good shot if you can walk away from an injury.

The Saudis do not, of course, have modern CASEVAC, but that's what burgers are used to.

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>>34268596
inb4
>THE LAST MUSHROOM OF GHOUTA

>>34266155
didn't they capture it, or at least the area around it? Why didn't they blow it up then, instead of leaving the taliban a nice place to hide?

>>34268596
Reminds me of Metro2033. Pigs and mushrooms for food

>>34263851
Thank god refugees will culturally enrich Europe

>>34271259
lol funny post i rate it 55/55

I'm somewhat impressed by that IS affiliate in the south west/on the Israeli border. When they popped up and pledged their allegiance, I thought they'd just get wiped out or scatter off into the desert but they've actually been performing quite well against the FSA.

Did we get him?

ISIS leader Al-Baghdadi reportedly killed in Russia-led airstrike – MoD https://www.rt.com/news/392520-isis-leader-killed-airstrike/

>>34271259
>/pol/

Fun fact, Russian Federation is the European country with the highest percentage of Muslim population.
All of them in the west, if you removed the non-European part of Russia, the percentage would only go up from the current 15%.

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>>34271805

>All lies

>>34269736
They actually had trouble finding it during the search for bin Laden, and when they did, it turned out not to be the fabled vast complex that the media drummed up about, but a smaller network of natural caves only large enough to host 200 or so fighters. Certainly wasn't motivation enough to blow it up since the Taliban could simply find another natural cave network that the Americans will struggle even more to find. Having bin Laden running off to Pakistan and resources diverted to Iraq didn't help.

>>34271805
I wonder how many times he has died so far

>>34264209
Nice Iveco. Makes me miss working on them

>>34271909
like you know better?

>>34261547
Apparently it was a UAE ship.

>>34262675
Well, ME was in some kind of war for the last several centuries, dozens of wars in the last 100 years. No it's not going to end.

>>34262675
>It's weird how refugees only started coming after the Syrian conflict

It has little to do with the Syrian conflict in particular, but the way some European governments called for them to come. After the first guys came over and saw that it was good and that they were wanted, showered with gifts and attention on international TV.
Then the flood gates were open.

>>34262710
Then every country deserves it? Every significant country does this. Iran more than most.

>>34263505
You shouldn't be. The land was historically Russian for hundreds of years, and so were the people living there. it was almost a bureaucratic matter than landed it in Ukrainian hands instead of Russian.

Crimea still served as one of the largest Russian military ports world wide, Russians were going there on vacations.
It should have never been in the hands of Ukraine, and taking it back on the first good opportunity made sense.

Russian actions in Georgia should worry you a bunch more than that, as they are working to annex land that was never Russian, historically.

Hence why it is still far from being annexed to this day, and would take decades in the least.

>>34265589
The US has not annexed a single grain of sand in Syria. They took this land from ISIS, not the SAA too.

Perhaps you should google the meaning of the word annex.

>>34271761
They are doing pretty good on their skirmishes. However the FSA is regularly pressured by pro Assad militias and the SAA from their north, so they never could commit against the ISIS tribes there.
I remember on time they tried to mount an offensive, but Assad used the opportunity to make their own, which halted the FSA.

This is actually pretty similar as to the way ISIS expanded across Syria. The FSA was stuck in the middle between the SAA in the west and ISIS in the east. Every time they tried to engage ISIS Assad would pressure them, stopping their offensive.

The Al Tanf base has now been reinforced by the US with HIMARS, a mobile rocket defense system. US govt won't say how many trucks are involved.

>>34271844
Rafined Tatar and azn Turkic Muslims that were conquered and integrated.

Not savage arab terrorist muslims imported by mentally ill neo communists after americans bombed the ME into the stone age.

>>34272618
lol Europe importing Arabs (and Africans, Turks, Berbers, Indians, Pakis, Afghans.....) doesn't have much with the wars of the ME.

Germany took their Turks after WW2.
France took their Arabs from North Africa ex colonies
UK took their Pakis and Africans from ex colonies as well.

The recent "refugees" from the Syrian war, more like because of Assad bombing his cities to hell+the advance of ISIS in Iraq (and Syria to a smaller extent though they haven't really reached the population centers aside from a few small cities in the middle of no where).

But desu the 2015 crisis has nothing to do with that either and everything to do with Europe encouraging them to come, and showering them with benefits.

>>34272707
Yes, the welcoming nature of West European countries is a factor and migrants had long aimed for Europe, but the absence of stable despot governments since the start of the Arab Spring led to a sharp increase of refugees.

A lack of domestic stability, unwelcoming Mideast host countries, or overcrowded ME refugee camps that are also subject to military targeting meant many displaced decided to press on to Europe due to its proximity to the ME.

Migrants from other countries that were not directly affected by the Arab Spring and Winter simply rode on the refugee deluge because the bum rush reduced the chances of them getting caught as security personnel struggled to control their borders.

>>34272773
The middle east saw plenty of wars, a lot of instability and local refugees throughout the last century.
Lack of domestic stability, unwelcoming ME countries and overcrowded refugee camps are nothing new in the middle east.
There are still some overcrowded refugee camps in unwelcoming ME countries fating back decades, this very day.

What is the only factor that changed?

See thing is, the millions of Syria refugees were already living in Turkish/Jordanian/Lebanese refugee camps for a few years before 2015. Don't forget the Syrian civil war started in 2011.

What changed?
The EU leaders calling them to come, promising benefits, places to stay, safe transport and so on.

>>34262775
That's just as planned, we fucked Europe and these cucks don't even realize it.

>>34272805
The difference back then was that the conflicts were self-contained and didn't lead to immediate collapse of neighboring governments.

The Six Day War and Yom Kippur Wars were short and confined to the Sinai countryside. The Lebanese Civil War didn't spill over from beyond Lebanon. The destructive effects of the Iraq-Iran War were contained within the border frontiers of Iraq and Iran, and the two Iraq Wars plus the US occupation were still contained within Iraq.

Compare that to the Arab Spring, which led to the splintering of armed factions in Libya after the fall of Muammar Gaddafi, Islamist threats to Egypt, Tunisia and Morocco through spillovers from Libya, social unrest in Egypt after Mohamed Morsi's removal and an escalated Islamist insurgency in the Sinai with IS support, a devastating civil war in Syria, major spillovers from Syria into Iraq, Lebanon and Turkey, and an IS that benefited greatly from the power vacuum and operated an even more despotic pseudo-state.

Just to add one factor. The refugee camps in the Middle East have become a battle ground in themselves. ISIS and other fanatic groups are fighting a low profile war against the more moderate political parties which are the defacto rulers of the camps, with or without the accept of the local governments. Then there is the common crime, and the presence of various secret services, the official camp police ad the unofficial faith enforcer militias.Considering that some of these camps have populations the size of modern cities, and the absolute lack of proper jobs or hope of a future... These are bad places to live. Living on the streets of London or Paris must look quite alluring by comparison, especially with the promise of aid of local volunteers and the possibility of actually getting immigrant status with all the economic bonuses THAT entails.

Still - the immigrants Europe receives are largely not from the refugee camps. Destitute families trying to escape chaos and war are a minorities. Those who come knocking on our doors are mostly young men, traveling alone and by the funds of their middle class families, claiming to be underage and alone in the world. They do not show the signs of malnutrition or violence but are by the standards of their own countries resourceful. Those who get immigration status because of being 'underage without adult company' immediately apply for being reunited with their family in their new country. If those applications are granted, the rest of the family comes at once. By plane. This is how the system works for them, and how we allow it to work.

>>34272934
Libya:
The civil war there is very well contained in the country. The "spillover" into Egypt is next to nothing. Tunisia got some Libyan refugees, but nothing exception compared to previous conflicts.

Egypt: 100% self contained, Sinai is part of Egypt in case you've forgotten.

Iraq, there was spillover into Syria, however since Syria was already in a state of civil war it didn't really destabilize anything additional.

Now Syria:
Yes there is spillover into Turkey Jordan and Lebanon, mainly in the form of refugees.

As stated earlier this is nothing new in the ME.
The six day war created similar spill over into Jordan and Syria, and indeed the 1948 war did so as well, rendering millions of refugees.
In fact there are still many Palestinian refugee camps present in Syria and Jordan since 1948 and 1967 wars.

Furthermore, There are the events of black Septerber in Jordan in the 70's where said Palestinian refugees (more precisely their descendants) attempted to take over the country.
The Jordanians BTFO their assess so the Syrians moved forced to invade into Jordan. Spillover enough yet? This war was prevented due the Israelis threatening to bomb the Syrian invasion into Jordan.

But wait, the descendants of the Palis got booted to Lebanon, where they brewed trouble and incited the civil war... In turn, eventually bringing on a Syrian invasion of Lebanon, then an Israeli invasion of Lebanon, and more refugees (who went to Syria mainly or distributed in camps in Lebanon).

self contained? are you fricking joking? learn some history.

Oh, and that's just one example...
Conflicts in the ME cause refugee spillover into neighboring countries, this is pretty routine, and happened in the case of the Syrian civil war too. for 2-3 years millions of Syrian refugees lived in refugee camps on the Turkish border, in camps in Lebanon and Jordan. Still all very routine.

Then in 2015 something happened.

>>34272993
Of course it's alluring for them to come to the west. It's so today and it was so for decades prior.
But they never did. It's the case of ME mentality vs western one.

From their perspective (which truthfully makes a lot of sense), why would the west accept them? Why would they let them in, or stay? Wouldn't the locals backlash against such an invasion in a violent way? after all, they would.

The option was never considered. It didn't make sense, it could never work.
Until in one stroke, European leaders changed this perception, going on the international stage and inviting these people in.
The TV screens and the internet was flooded with images of Merkel hugging refugees, the pope kissing their ass, and masses of Europeans cheering for them in the streets.

Something as small as that, a perception change, was a trigger. When pulled, millions were on the way.

>Destitute families trying to escape chaos and war are a minorities. Those who come knocking on our doors are mostly young men
They were safe in the refugee camps. So a family often gathered money to send the males on a journey in hopes that the rest would follow after the strong one's would pave the way.
The family was left in safety under the charge of other family males in many cases.

>Bild cited a government paper as showing a total of 431,376 Syrians applied for asylum in Germany in 2015 and 2016 and said that of those 267,500 would be entitled to family reunifications in Germany.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-germany-idUSKBN1771IP

Why aren't we talking about Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi getting iced by a Russian air strike?

>>34273498
>>34273498
It's kind of old news which only got confirmed by (((reliable sources))) just now, i remember russiainsider ran a story on it too at the end of last month

>>34273498

Because as far as we know, this is just another case of wishful thinking in his case. Al-Baghdadi is declared dead at least once every week and noone are happier to affirm these claims than ISIS. He is probably sitting beside a pool in Pakistan or Dubai sipping cold tea while his favorite wife is sitting beside him sending and receiving coded messages on an ipod registered on a shopkeeper in Lahore.

>>34263330
I've heard it isn't meant to be literally '72' virgins but a large amount of women. Prob a harem of sorts.

>>34273687

https://wikiislam.net/wiki/72_Virgins

Personally I'd be equally worried about the part about having an eternal hardon. But having to deal with 72 women is bad enough. Ever try to live with ONE woman? Now multiply that with 72.

However, I think most muslim men don't need to die to see the light. IIRC they can have up to seven wives, but most are content with one.

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>>34273896

Incidentally, here is a picture of a happy American mormon family. One man, his three wives and their 18 children.

I am happy to say in my own country, having more than one wife at the same time is illegal regardless of what religious you prefer.

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>>34273896

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>>34273896
also speaking of foreveralone tears, some rival islamist group tried to suicide bomb this shit head today. Didnt touch him though

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>>34274175
must have just been a suicide belt

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What is the SAAs plan here, push for Raqqa despite there being no southern access into the city for them?

Connect to Khanassar?

Go south and hit As Sukhnah from the north?

Any of these options either create extreme salients well into the desert or are just kinda pointless (no reason to go for Raqqa at this stage in the game they are about 3 months late)

Seems like they could create two large cauldrons for ISIS and hopefully spook those guys into leaving the encirclement like they did with the Qalamoon mountains

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>>34273498
the supposed location of the strike. They are claiming they hit 30 mid level commanders and "up to 300" other fighters. Sounds like bullshit to me

>>34274245
I'd be surprised if there was anyone in those buildings desu, 300 ISIS killed in one go is pretty insane, let alone 300 ISIS fighters gathered in one point like that

They have lasted this long for a reason, they clearly know how to avoid large gatherings and evading airstrikes

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>Still Don't Give A Fuck

https://my.mail.ru/mail/fgfgt4/video/_myvideo/5.html

>>34273557
That's huge though if Reuters is reporting that he's dead. Sounds like it's picking up steam.

>>34274610
ISIS took out a huge amount of equipment in this montage holy shit

Dozens of humvees and APCs alone

>>34274808

Reuters aren't reporting that he is dead. Reuters are reporting that Russian forces carried out at trike at a location that they believe he might have been at. Business as usual. They have no way to check out the location and half the actual bodies are probably charred shreds anyway.

>>34274808
Reuters are reporting Russia is claiming he is dead, and also reporting the West/Iraq are skeptical

They did the same thing last time Russia claimed they got him

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>>34274610
much obliged

>>34274863
I've never seen it as widespread as now.

>>34275370
Not really lol, Reuters did this last time too

>>34274845
This thing about Baghdadi that is so fascinating is he's so shadowy and elusive. There's only one video of him.

>>34275451

Mhm. Probably because as soon as it was taped, he got a shave and a haircut and a face lift. Could be living in a New York apartment and get away with it. We learned so much from the Osama Bin Laden story. How they work with relays and codes, how information can be tracked and how the tracks can be broken. The bad guys learned this stuff too. If it turns out Baghdadi lives anywhere near his army I am going to be quite surprised. Sure Osama got caught. But we never got Mullah Omar, who left Kabul on a motorbike with most of the national bank's gold when the taliban regime fell. Or a hundred other guys we were keen to capture at one point. They'll die, certainly. But like Khadaffi and Saddam, they'll live until their power and resources are gone. We don't capture bad guys these days. Because they know us better than we know them.

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Calm down, O Muslims! and rejoice, because the Crusaders and plan their campaign is unsuccessful. Do not believe their lying media and false statements about the daily killing of dozens of Mujahideen, the destruction of their bases and weapons, and the like from their lies and distortions. Do not worry, O Muslims! truly your state in the manner and in the best condition. Its expansion has not stopped and will continue with the permission of Allah, even if it is hateful infidels! »

© Commander of the faithful, Sheikh Abu Bakr al-Husseini al-Baghdadi al-Quraishy

did the good guys win yet?

>>34259501
well done you now use literally the same logic terrorist scum bags use when the blow up civilians in the west

you've come full circle to being as evil and retarded as ISIS

>>34263851
/pol/ worships a country plagued by massive amounts of corruption, abuse by authorities, poor health, drug addiction, prostitution, serious alcohol abuse problems and poverty as saviors of some mythical-tier western civilization.

but hey at least they don't have sjw's right g-guys? hahah

nu-/pol/ is just as ungrateful for living in the "real" west as the SJW's they despise. not to say things are perfect by any degree but you kids really don't realize how luck you've had it.

>>34277504

Eat shit, beatnik.

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>>34277725

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>>34277796
whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa I don't have anything to say so ill call you names

>>34274610
>when they shoot the driver out of that car with an ant-tank rifle
Jesus let me guess, this shits still in Mosul.
and by the looks of all the guys with m-16's showing some level of fire discipline, its not just some left over kids like they suspected earlier. Have the iraqi army just become accustom to losing 100 humvees a week to vbieds? literally no precaustions

>>34257721
lol when they kill other fellow sand niggers but scream "DEATH TO AMERIKA DEATH TO ISRAEL ALALAKAKABAKA ALAAA" sand niggers are so stupid. Basically /pol/ fags and stormfags but arabs/mudshits.

>>34262578
>any mudsshits any side
>good guys
good goy you

>>34278013
>he thinks all arabs are the same people
>he doesn't know about the shia/sunni divide
>he still comments his stupid shit on MEG

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>>34277725
Russian American here, I fucking hate Russiaboos. Absolutely hate them. Fuck idiots have no idea and they blindly worship such a disaster of a country and leader. Fuck Russia, fuck Syria, fuck Assad, fuck china, matter fact, fuck anything not American. Then these Russiaboos dare call me a jew or a shill when fucking Putin, their huwyte savior is a fucking kike communist KGB faggot himself.

PS. I want the leftists the antifags the commies and the Russiaboos all to fuck of to China and Russia and GTFO of the US.

Bonus PS. Russian economy has maybe 2 years left before tanking like when the Soviet Union collapsed.

>>34278071
They're literally killing themselves and doing it in the name of western hatred, it's grand. I love when sand niggers blast sand niggers. I don't care what shitty shiatte or shitty sunni they are. They're worthless just like you worshipping anti American terrorists like Assad, Putin and Yemen turrists. Fuck Saudis too.

>>34278100
>they're killing themselves
is your comprehension of the world still that of a 12 year old?
seriously.
Having the same skin color doesn't mean shit.
Soviets and Nazi's had the same skin color.
Chinese and Imperial Japanese had same skin color.
WW1 Germans and British had same skin color.

they all had completely different cultures, ideologies and beliefs.

there skin color doesn't mean shit.

OK.

>Amerifat education

>>34277725
What do you really expect from a board populated with angsty middle class white kids with no sort of experience in the world or perspective beyond the faint glow of their computer screen.
Kids have no idea what the world can actually be like desu.

>>34278074
Kudos to you, you are so very right. Sadly plenty of Russians also buy into RT as well

>>34278074
>Fuck anything not American
Good goy

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/k/ is pretty shit honestly
One of the most interesting conflicts going on with all sorts of unique weapons, camo, aircraft and armor being used and their are no picture of them anywhere being discussed here
The level of comments are
>durr sandniggers killing sandniggers no problems of mine
>hurr we need to be in their killing sandniggers ourselves fuck Russia and Iran
>burr this reminds of my tours in Iraq where I ate icecream and got shot at once
I don't even think you guys know anything at all about weapons based off of the amount of times you've misidentified weapons from the conflict

>>34277725
>>34278495
>>34278074
>>34263851
Please stop arguing about something that has no relation to the ME.
As a Russian who lives in Europe you're both wrong and take extreme point.
Russia was never really western or had similar culture to France/UK/Germany. We have our own culture that draws somewhat from our neighbors to the west.

Russia sure has it's drawbacks, but so does the west, especially so Europe. Things are still better in the west, but it's changing.

Keep it on topic lads

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>>34276954
are you from balkan? judging from the filenames you are

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So, how long for the SAA to reach Deir ez-Zor? I'm thinking several months at least, there is bound to be an ISIS counter-attack at some point or a final push to take the city as well. I'm going to guess October.

>>34280839

Probably because the bulk of the conflict is mostly over, the real golden age for this was 2013-14 when ISIS was on the warpath and Obama was still trying to deny that it was a significant problem. Then he did the Iran Deal, averting a true Fall-of-Baghdad scenario.

Fact is, we're all just sitting around waiting for the killing blow to ISIS as a state and not just a political entity.

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>>34281210

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>>34281277

>>34262710
They aren't really coming to america, but europe.

>>34280839
Because the big stuff already happened. Theres no twist, and no wondering.

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>>34275353

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>>34274102
/pol/ does't worship Russia, it just doesn't tow the NATO line of propaganda.

And Americans interpet this as worship because they've been conditioned by the media to think of any opposing opinion on their neverending agressive invasions and propaganda spam as enemy disinformation.

>>34281569

sarcasm.jpg

>>34262972
>gramsci

There is a nefarious right wing group that exists because some other right wing group studied and decided to reverse engineer gramsci. Their little side project exploded in popularity and very quickly outclassed it's progenitor.

Iraqi Army claim to have full control over their borders with Syria and Jordan after regaining a large border control post from ISS. The name of this post was not mentioned, nor was any help the IA may have gotten from other forces in the process.

Also, USA claim to have killed the IS propaganda boss in Afghanistan - two weeks ago. In Nangahar province.

Speaking of Afghanistan, yet another Aghan soldier has shown his true colors. Four dead American soldiers on the Mazar-i-Sharif base during the attack.

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>>34282197

>The SAA finally made it to Arak.

I still have a feeling IS is going to lure them into a salient trap.

>>34261810
Yes and Yes.

Mostly Infantry based. PPGD claims that most of the YPG's mech support (tanks and such) are stuck in Afrin.

>>34278074
Yeah, I get you man, being a traitor hurts, and convert must always be more radical to throw off suspicion.
You're not Russian. Enjoy your new country and don't concern yourself with Russians.

>>34282197

Well, fuck. The initial source said 4 dead. Then I checked with their source, which said the updated count was 4 wounded, not 4 dead. That's good news for four 209th Corps families out there.

>>34282337

Okay, another update then. The 209th is an Afghan Army corps. The name of the American unit there is not even mentioned.

>>34282337
>>34282353
As someone involved in IR it still shocks me how politicians, Republicans and former military especially, haven't turned on the Afghanistan "experiment" yet.

If 100,000 troops during 2011 couldn't completely subdue the Taliban, what is 8,500 guys going to do? I really hope we are completely withdrawn from that shithole by the end of Trump's presidency but we all know this will continue to simmer.

Ceasefire in Daraa already? Guess they realized that they weren't going to make much progress but that was pretty quick honestly, they didn't even back into the refugee camps

>>34282367

The originial newsstory has been edited AGAIN. Now the NATO mission says that 'one Afghan soldier has been killed and one other soldier has been wounded.' While US command says an unspecified number of soldiers have been wounded. I dunno guys. 12 hours from now it could be 'dozens killed, hundreds wounded.'

Either way I agree. The whole Aghanistan project is completely FUBAR. With Trump in charge of the main forces we could see a complete withdrawal for the flimsiest of reasons, or a full on escalation of Iraq War dimensions because Ivanka has had a bad dream. So the Afgfhans wait, and lay plans for either escaping or taking charge as soon as the last foreign soldier and the last foreign paycheck is gone. Right now I am simply assuming that the current govt will head back to their tribal mountain strongholds or to other countries, the army evaporates without a shot fired, and the Taliban assumes command of the cities as they already have done in the rural areas. Then the hunt for fresh foreign support is on.

Mali update: 5 government soldiers dead, eight soldiers wounded and nine vehicles destroyed on a islamist rebel attack on a govt base in the northern region. No damage reports on the attacking force.

why is the SAA even attempting to make a push for Raqqa, are they retarded? there is no route for them to even enter the city and by the time they even get close the southern part of the city across the river is already going to be in SDF hands

the bridges have been blown to hell for months so even if they got there they have no way of getting across the river, let alone moving heavy equipment

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>>34283260

>SAA even attempting to make a push for Raqqa

Resafa oil fields

>>34283353
There are many more strategic moves they could be making over that, for example creating/closing the Khanassar cauldron, consolidating and preparing for a push towards Dez, etc

"The Russian defense ministry said on Saturday it had killed two Islamic State field commanders, named as Abu Omar al-Beljiki and Abu Yassin al-Masri, in air strikes near the eastern Syrian city of Deir al-Zor, Interfax news agency reported."

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>>34263505
>even Bush Jr was completely shook by the end of his admin by Putin
wait what why? back then putin was still playing nice or not?

>>34283450
Around 2007/2008 was when Putin really started to flex his political prowess with an incredibly ballsy move to invage Georgia a few months before Bush was supposed to step down.

That was kind of like an "oh shit" moment for the state department and the US government in how they viewed Russia.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQ8PuLcP5sU

>>34283494
Is it not weird to anyone else how fucking weird the "SAA" and its militias are organized?

Their officer corps are so hilariously corrupt and bizarre it is just insane, like they have literal warlords running around who got into that position because of economic (underground usually like oil running) reasons rather than military experience

I'd be like if the US military led and organized by CEOs of Bread Truck companies or something lmao

It also makes you worried about a "post"-war Syria where most conventional threats are subdued and the insurgency isn't out of hand, these warlords are in command of armies basically with the economic base and infrastructure to support them meaning they can theoretically bully the government into doing what they want

>>34283475
this reminds me of sarkozy appearing visibly shaken at the g7 after his meeting with putin lmao he got bullied into submission

>>34283857
yeah I don't think old trump was ready for that frog to do that

on the topic of bush you should read about his interactions at the beginning of 2004 and the end of his presidency, he realized he got conned hard

>>34283529

Well, it's not that weird. Power, money and guns are always intimately connected. In the US model, the companies give election money to the politicians who send out the soldiers, to fight for the natural sources the companies want, and to create further demand for the products the companies make. In Syria, the militias plunder the population to get money to pay the soldiers - a shorter circle, but both systems are based on someone else actually creating the funds which are sought and spent.

I fully expect that the militias to end up on the winning side, receive official status and funding. This could already have happened, if not for the fact that the funds are not there until peace arrives.

>>34283905
I think we'll get an IRCG situation where the militias will get gobbled up into one seperate government organ completely independent from the rest of the military while maintaining their economic holdings afterward

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>>34283884
>>34283857
>>34283475
where can i read on this or photos/video? i always wonder how it works on the 1v1 personal lvl

>>34283475
if they started viewing russia as threat and untrustworthy in 2008 , why did were they expanding NATO towards east all those years before 2008

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>SDF have started operation to liberate
Oops! I guess you made a mistake there... let me fix it for you:

SDF have started operation to INVADE Raqqa

Only the rightful, democratically backed, Syrian Arab Army can "liberate" anything from SYRIAN TERRITORY!

The SDF are USA implanted terrorists whose only purpose is taking power to create a Kurd state in the region because they are too much of pussies to actually go against Turkey because they know they will be massacred like the dogs they are!

But they don't know they will be reduced to ashes by the defenders of Syria. The USA-dogs (a.k.a. SDF) and the USA-Turkey dogs (a.k.a. FSA) will be turned into a gore mess soon. Wait for it dogs, Assad is coming with the full mighty of JUSTICE behind him! InShaAllah!

>>34283943
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/30/AR2007063000315.html

2001
>"I looked the man in the eye. I found him to be very straightforward and trustworthy,"
>"I was able to get a sense of his soul: a man deeply committed to his country and the best interests of his country."

By 2008 Bush realized Putin was a Zero-Sum guy

>>34283919

Sort of like a Home Guard, or the Afghan Army's local units? From the govts point of view this might work out. Even for the soldiers maybe. But if so a Night Of Long Knives would not be long in coming, where the less cooperative militia leaderships get eradicated. And where you have a militia there's going to be a few civilians in the background that 'fixes and organizes' things and siphon off the best loot. I almost hope for the coming Syrian peacetime government to be a dictatorship. Democracy at this point would be fucked to pieces.

>>34283943
there are a few vids of sarkozy floating around at first people thought he got drunk on vodka with him but turns out putin just crushed his spirit, even if you don't understand french just look at his body language he's completely defeated

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http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/06/16/white-house-officials-push-for-widening-war-in-syria-over-pentagon-objections/amp/

>>34284344
>http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/06/16/white-house-officials-push-for-widening-war-in-syria-over-pentagon-objections/amp/

Quite a story. If this happens, I can figure Mattis standing down from his position. While he is wolf among dogs, he isn't a fool.

What's going on with the YPG in Al-Tanf? Are they helping out Assad or what?

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>>34284469

No, they are whoring for da shekels.

>>34284344
The article reads more like street corner gossip, no sources for their claims, they're not even pretending.

Wouldn't take it seriously.

>>34284522
>>34284469
seriously I do not understand what's going on - Al-Tanf is too far off, they've been maneuvering politically for a sort of detente with the regime... if they're fighting off SAA-aligned militias, what good will come of this for the YPG's goals?

>>34284469

Do you have a link or reference, or was it posted itt already and I missed it?

>>34284691
http://www.basnews.com/index.php/en/news/middle-east/358222

>SDF will not allow [Syrian] regime and its loyal militia to seize control of the border area with Iraq and Jordan, the source said.

>"We have no relations with Iran, and the policy of Iran is no different from that of the Syrian regime," said Saleh Muslim, co-chair of the Syrian Kurdish Democratic Union Party (PYD), the political wing of the YPG.

>He stated that "Iran is hostile to the Kurds to obtain their basic rights, and therefore it fears that the Kurds will get their rights in Syria."

this sort of contradicts a lot of developments that have implied a trajectory towards reconciliation with the regime... YPG playing 4 dimensional chess here

>>34284779
Thanks for the link!

"A security source confirmed that the Syrian Kurdish People’s Defense Units (YPG) are expected to send forces to the Syrian al-Tanf area near the Iraqi border, in a bid to stop the advance of the Iranian-backed militia forces to the area.

The deployment of the YPG forces in al-Tanf is at the request of the US-led Global Coalition fighting the Islamic State (IS)."

To me it looks like the real story here is that the US want some local color on the force down there, so it will look less like foreigner meddling.

>>34284812
>To me it looks like the real story here is that the US want some local color on the force down there, so it will look less like foreigner meddling

honestly I doubt that. at any rate, it is *very* pertinent as to what sort of post-war position the YPG wants to adopt. it seems torn between US shekels on one hand, and counterbalancing KRG/Turkey with Russian protection and rapprochement with Assad... if their deal is simply trying to nip Iranian incursions, that's understandable but still an absurd gamble.

>>34284857

Yeah. I still fervently hope that the YPG plan is to work out a deal with Assad. Both of them, even with combat lust radiating off them like floodlighting, are pretty weak compared with Iran and Turkey - at least in terms of numbers of planes, tanks and cannons.

>>34259554
Based puppers

So what are Assad's relations with the Iranians anyway? That they are poking into Syria I can see. Are they welcome, and to what degree?

>>34285451
They're welcome for now at least, they've been providing crowds of militia meatshields to work alongside/in place of the SAA in a kind of similiar way to the RuAF working in place of SyAF, they have their own chain of command and often dotheir own thing, but largely to the benefit of Assad.

At least that's the case for now, the longer term 'what now' for those militiamen and Irans involvement in general at such notional point in time that the various rebels/IS have all been reduced to insurgencies at most is anyones guess, I doubt any of the parties over there have thought about it in too much detail yet because simply predicting what will have happened in 3 months time is a brave and fairly unrealistic move.
It's also far from the only such 'what now' that's going to arise then, honestly it's perfectly possible the country falls directly into yet another civil war pff the back of this one as a result of failing to deal with those questions.

>>34264047
that actually looks very fun

>>34285451
Iranians are sending their paramilitary arm known as Hezbollah over to help out Assads utterly incompetent army. Assad and Iran are pretty good buddies out of necessity.

The jews however do not really appreciate having bands of armed dudes, which answer to a nation that would rather like to see a second shoa, so they occasionally bomb some of them.

>>34285631

Hm. I am not sure about that civil war. The non-SDF opposition seems to have been largely beat.

>>34285666
Well in addition to the SDF questions there are also a significant number of (currently) SAA aligned militias of various scales that will need disbanding/reintegrating in some way, as well as a large number of foreign fighters that've been bussed in to fight but will likely be unwanted as long term guests. Given how weak the SAA-proper actually is now and there's ample scope for shit to hit the fan yet again.

>>34283475
>invade Georgia
Georgia tried to take back some seperatist states back from the time of breakup of SU that had Russian units stationed there and got BTFO
The then president of Georgia now is a wanted criminal in Georgia and had to flee to Ukraine

>>34285664

I don't agree about Asad's army being utterly incompetent. Not that I am impressed either - but they have come out on top in a few recent battles with the various rebel forces. Remember all those guys being bused out of various towns?

how the fuck are pockets around homs and damascus still standing?

>>34286176
humanitarian aid, smuggling, corruption. Also probably easier to keep the people supporting rebels in there than to keep watch of them should the area get liberated

>>34286176
Well for one the pockets aren't even besieged properly as tens of thousands enter and leave the districts everyday to commute for work

>>34286507
>>34286548
is that someone's wife or what

>>34283475
>incredibly ballsy move to invage Georgia a few months before Bush was supposed to step down.

Are you from some alternate reality bizarro universe, because in this reality, the Georgian president was groomed by Washington to initiate an attack on the Russian enclave in Osetia, and then running for his dear life when the Russians responded.

I know /k/ is generally considered pretty dim as far as the boards go here, but Jesus.

>>34287913
The irony in this post kek

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>>34284432

Mattis belongs to the New York money Jews and the Saudis.

He's in the McCain/Graham cuckservative Goy camp. A man thoroughly disgraced by the US retardation in Syria.

>>34287922

I don't think you know how to use that word, spastic.

>>34287981
Sure thing bud, lol

>>34263975

Is that gandalf in Deir ez-Zor?

>>34283475
Wasn't it also during the Olympics?

>>34288121
Summer Olympics yeah, Putin is ballsy as fuck

>>34281662
I have no love for the media or government reports, however why should I then turn around and treat whatever Russia says as holy mandate?

>>34278100
Whatever you say Cletus.

>>34284900
>pretty weak compared with Iran and Turkey

True, but that's irrelevant, since the real players behind both of them are the U.S and Russia. Iran and Turkey can't do anything vs either.

>>34289185
You're forgetting the Saudis

>>34287913
>Russian enclave in Osetia
>Russian enclave in Osetia
>Russian enclave in Osetia

You mean Georgian land the Russians were occupying.
Fair, it was the Georgians who initiated the attack, however the land was part of Georgia for hundreds if not over a thousand years. This is why Russia never annexed the land (unlike say Crimea) even after now controlling it one way or another for several decades.

By your logic, Iranian militias are invading US soil at Al Tanf.

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>>34289890
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZEqC6gax3M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDM2Vl0Qp8o

>>34278074
Fuck you kike. Kikes invented communism and kikes are responsible for every war since Napoleon.
You are literally a jew shill, you cant escape that

>>34286076
this
his name is sakashwilly or something
i still remember this take
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBPBdW2wXpc

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>>34278074

>>34263851

Can this slavboo meme stop?

>>34290367
no, it cant
there is nobody to else to be that meme anymore

>>34278028
sdf = based rubble baby gods

>>34290336
Look it's a Romanian Turk rape baby

>>34290375

I just can't put it together.

I've been there, I can speak the language with relative ease and have visited three times due to a friend/romanticish partner I met over interpals and I mean, it almost feels like a quiet disinterest and disillusion of the shortcomings of reality is engrained in the culture is so obvious at times. I have only really been in Yekaterinburg and don't get me wrong, it's a pretty city, the views are excellent and the people I have ran into are real and I remember having a conversation with a fellow who used to work on a border before the fall of the USSR and how they would fuck with herders or unpermitted transients sometimes with scary masks or the sort, but the way he spoke about the military and how he always felt there was this massive disconnect in how order worked in even post-Soviet military hierarchy was incredibly worrisome to him.

I mean, don't get me wrong, I know plenty of dudes in the US army who feel this way but the way this old fellow explained to me his experience being an NCO was just depressing. It was a fruitless endeavor according to him at times and it made me wonder, how the fuck do they even maintain a coherent and stable army? It seems like they are a strong regional force, perhaps the greatest hope for the middle east, but as an actual world power, there seems to be too strong of a, "what's the point?" in the national spirit.

I read this back and it feels very /pol/, but I mean, it's my experience.

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>CIA train and equip

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJGp2kth-Ec

>>34290490

why won't they cut their fucking hair?

>>34290490
Nice trailer, whens the main feature out showing the same unit getting cut down while acting like fucking retards?

Also
>dress them in camo
>every single man promptly slings a brightly colored bedding roll over his shoulder

>>34290524

desu you'll probably find it on liveleak

>>34289185

Yeah, lots of foreign cooks in this kitchen. But in the longer term I don't expect any of them to stay around holding parts of the country. Russians already have the ground and influence they want and need, too. So I am looking at the forces that actually are local in this conflict. And while I as yet choose to believe that Assad and SDF can hold their own long term, it would be interesting to see what the other local forces hold of actual power. But I admit it, I have already forgotten their names except for TFSA - and I don't recall how much actual power they have either.

>>34290416

This does sound like the old days. The soviet state is gone almost 30 years now. Back then the Soviet soldiers were known to be very low motivated, very low paid, and the NCO level of command was comparable to WW1 standards - sergeants were about as powerful as corporals and given as little responsibility as possible. One reason for the low pay was so they would be unable to desert and get tickets out of there. And the regular army was herded by the border police army which reported directly to the secret service.

Today there's no party book deciding who gets the sweet jobs, average pay is up, morale is up, equipment standard is up, part of the army are volunteers and the total army size is smaller - if I remember all that correctly.

>>34290490

Nice video. Discipline look pretty good. Which unit are they? I saw the flag but they are hard to keep apart.

The bedding roll - they either were not issued any bedding and improvised, or it is prayer mats.

>>34290939

They need to police those fucking mustaches before you can even say with a straight face they have discipline.

>>34290941

If hairstyles are the only thing you can fault them for, you are running out of arguments.

The battle for Mosul continues. The Iraqi Army, special forces and federal police are now attacking the Old City, according to lieutenant general Abdulamir Yarallah. According to the UN, there could be as much as 100.000 civilians in the Old City being used as shields. Many of these were brought along by ISIS when they pulled back from other parts of the city.

Also, a busy morning in Afghanistan. A Taliban suicide attack on a police station in the Paktia province left 5 policemen dead and 8 wounded when a suicide car drove into the station. After the big boom several gunmen followed in. No information on dead or wounded among the Taliban, or among civilians in the area.

Busy, busy morning. In Yemen a market place was hit on the rebel-controlled Saada border against Saud Arabia, killing 24 civilian - most of which were khat sellers. I am no fan of low end drug but bombing from planes them seems excessive.

>>34291017

Correction. 18 wounded, not 8. Afghan news sources suck.

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>>34284040
Here's your (you).

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so that chemical weapons scare never really materialized or did it? for awhile that was all everyone talked about

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So I know this place is probs mostly desert, but what the fuck is happening here?

>>34291274
>Syrian Army have entered Deir Al-Zour Governorate more than 9 hours ago, launched a rapid covert attack from its position on the boarders

Habbening near Dez my dudes, I wonder if they are going for al Qa'im

>>34291274
A lot of the time what gets claimed as 'controlled by' one faction or another is really just somewhere a couple dozen guys went for a drive in Toyotas and didn't get instagibbed, because as you say a lot of eastern Syria is just desert with precious little to really claim control or fight over.

It's only really become slightly relevant since the US set about actively cockblocking the SAA/allies attempts to get to their borders, if it wasn't for that it'd be last priority areas to mop up later, which frankly it probably still should be but everyones equally caught up in the border access game now.

>>34291341
Establishing a land route to link Tehran/Baghdad with Damascus again would be a major boon for the government.

PMUs would flood into Iraq via Iranian patreons, not to mention all the heavy equipment that'd come in as well.

I've read plenty on CIA involvement with all of these groups, anyone have any good sources on the Bong and Frog dealings in Syria? Britain is deeply involved in Saudi Arabia's campaign in Yemen so I figure they've got to have their hands in Syria as well

ISIS popping the tops off a lot of hardware out by Arak

>>34291459

Dunno bout the French. But last I heard the British were in Syria at Al Tabq or what that border base was called, along with SF from several other countries, where ISIS did an attack a few weeks ago.

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>>34291546

Is that a Russian manufactured vehicle?

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inside mosul
>high moral is high

>>34291459
SAS have been reported a few times in Syria, no idea if they've just been taking the chance for some live-fire sneaking and airstrike direction or if they've been trying to directly eliminate IS leadership whenever chances arose.
RAF were flying recon over Syria at least in the early-ish stages, dunno if that's still a thing or how much use it would even be at this stage given the scale of US involvement, permission to bomb in Syria was denied by parliament so they've stuck to doing their target practice in Iraq.

>Britain is deeply involved in Saudi Arabia's campaign in Yemen
Sauce? I've not once heard of any direct British involvement in that clusterfuck so far. I'm sure there's probably still ongoing training programs with the Saudis, but those would have been a thing before Yemen kicked off and not really directly related.

>>34291558
GAZ-2330 Tigr Light Armoured Vehicle

yes

ISIS is really pressuring Palmyra today, lots of ATGM videos pouring in

>>34291608
Suknah will be toughest axis towards Deir Ezzor

>>34291617
It always was, see how long it took just to take Arak finally? SAA will take some licks along the way to Dez for sure

>>34290123

Pretty cozy base desu.

>>34291570
The RAF portion of the training assistance package has shifted almost entirely to strike direction and targeting training and the UK has been supplying the majority of bombs for the Saudi Air force, though I'm not sure how recent that info is. They have officers stationed in the control rooms for the majority of strikes and may have personnel deployed to train Yemeni militias fighting Al-Qaeda
http://news.sky.com/story/exclusive-uk-helping-saudis-yemen-campaign-10333596
http://markcurtis.info/2016/10/14/britains-seven-covert-wars/

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with english subtitles

report from situation in raqqa:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRvpwUrQayk

coastals report about heavy fighting at mount turkmen against regime lackeys:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0frVRyhp6Y

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>>34291459
french are in africa. they are also very good at not getting info out

>>34292200

The french have been present in Africa since Napoleon toured it. I doubt there is a single nation or group down there that they don't have an ear and a mouth to.

Within Syria @WithinSyriaBlog 27m27 minutes ago

SyAAF Su-22 was lost in #Rasafa area while striking #ISIS positions

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Dr Abdulkarim Omar @abdulkarimomar1 42m42 minutes ago

International coalition drops a military aircraft to the Syrian regime in the Raqqa after bombing the sites of S D Forces In the Tabqa area

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Wladimir @vvanwilgenburg 33m33 minutes ago


Wladimir Retweeted Dr Abdulkarim Omar
BREAKING: #Kurdish official says US-led coalition shot down a regime jet attacking SDF forces in Tabqa area. Not confirmed by .@CENTCOM

>>34292532

Was this one SyAf planes bombing the SDF forces by itself, or part of a bigger raid?

>>34292582
it was to stop them from advancing south towards Rasef village probably

but SAA forces are already on the outskirts of the village they cant do much

>>34292582
just reaction to SDF advance

SDF started advancing towards south to block SAA since SAA was starting to get closer

>>34292603

Are you saying that the SDF are being bombed to keep them from taking the village, but since the SAA forces are so close they can't risk much bombing?

>>34292630
nope SDF is not that close to village

just bombed them to stop advance and prevent and intense situation on ground

but its unconfirmed yet tho ,maybe US will give statement

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viPw66ttFA0

>u wat u loose

>>34292645
any*

sending message to not advance because Kurds obviously want to block SAA

Yusha YuseefVerified account @MIG29_ 3m3 minutes ago
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I can confirm that we lost Syrian Jet East of Rassafeh and Far of SDF Points

No more info if US do it .

I am officially lost. Weren't the SyAf bombing the SDF, or was this a US/Coa plane shot down while bombing the SAA?

>>34292698
syrian jet was apparently shot down by US

>>34292698
SyAAF Su-22 shot down while attacking either IS or SDF forces in tabqa area. Some claiming it was US who took it down

honestly though wait for the dust to settle. rumors run around fast in the sandland twitter sphere

>>34292728
>Su-22
reaper mq9 munched it

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>>34256378
Why doesn't Ukraine try to take control over Donbas now that Russia is preoccupied with Syria?

>>34292843
because they cant ?

>>34292843
because NATO says No.

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>>34292728
It was a MiG-23; the tail at 1:51 in this video matches the attached photo: https://mobile.twitter.com/WyvernReports/status/871758137522520065/video/1

>>34293018
they cant take it , the more they try the more Russia will get directly involved

Only way to take it is if Russia abandons them and let them take it

>>34292843
Because they can't take it without major NATO support and NATO isn't going to give them that support because it would give Russia an excuse to reeeeee harder than they've done since the end of world war 2

>>34293140
NATO could munch rassins in less than a month

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>>34292843

>>34293359
>What is deploying the bipod

Okay this is new. Iran has just fired rockets from western Iran into Syria at 'rebel' targets in retaliation for the recent terror attack in Teheran. I can only assume they have been shooting at ISIS targets.

>>34293432
son, this is not fort shizzle dizzle.
>this is war.

>>34293432
He's got a stable position without one, not much reason to

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipOa23_ptfQ

>652 km

Public Relations announced that the Islamic Revolution Guards Corps in a statement that the rockets fired by space for the Islamic Revolution Guards air forces to drive terrorists Altkvierin headquarters in Deir al - Zour in Syria to punish the perpetrators of the terrorist operations in Tehran.

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https://www.wsj.com/articles/israel-gives-secret-aid-to-syrian-rebels-1497813430?mod=e2tw

>>34293636
>https://www.wsj.com/articles/israel-gives-secret-aid-to-syrian-rebels-1497813430?mod=e2tw

I don't subscribe to the wsj. Which rebel groups are receiving the aid, and what kind of aid are we talking about?

USA have now confirmed that they shot down a Syrian plane that had been bombing US/friends forces. Syria claims the plane had been attacking IS targets.

>>34293704
>outside bullshit deconfliction zone
>waaaa stop doing things anywhere
>attacks Syrian forces yet again for luls

I don't know why the US bothered making up these pretend deconfliction zones when they're going to ignore them routinely themselves. They mean nothing and just makes their notinvasion look even sillier every time they engage citing them, and now engage outside of them, whilst still citing them. Just be fucking honest about doing everything possible to cockblock Assad because idiots still hang onto some delusion that ASSAD MUST GO.

>>34292843

Donbass is close to the UA - Russian border. Russians have a ton of Grads stationed nearby that BTFO anything thats spotted in the area. Thats how Ukraine lost the war - their columns were repeatedly fucked up by artilllery fire from over the russian border and also "separatist" artillery that was run by russian military advisors who really knew their shit

With air power nonexistent there - nothing can fly over donbass for the exact same reason as above, buks firing from over the russian side, artillery absolutely trumps anything else and ukraine cant deploy theirs because they'd have to be hitting the city causing civilian casualties.

Russians probably never had more than 500 people in there and it was enough.

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>>34256378
>>34293704
>>34293768
Is Assad autistic?

He was so close to winning the war, the SDF had better relations with the SAA than the FSA and the US was on OK terms with them. Then he just had to go full retard and bomb SDF troops to piss them of and also threaten the US to make them move against him.

The village where clashes occured was ISIS held this morning.

There were some reports SDF advanced on village and captured.

Later on it was confirmed SAA took the village after clashes with ISIS. (SDF version , they were attacked by SAA ,and had to retreat).

What I am guessing SAAa attacked village believing its ISIS held ,took it believing they took it from ISIS. Still very strange ,like theres no communication between SDF and SAA.

>>34293806
+ Ukraine cant do anything against russian artillery firing from russian border.

its mission impossible for Ukraine

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>>34293704
>super hornets btfo syaaf
>iran making missile strikes on saudi puppets

this war just keeps getting better and better

>>34293826
Well he's probably getting more than a bit pissed now because the SDF are so happily running around at the US's beck and call trying to restrict his movements. If they were smart (Kurds in particular here) they'd take a long think about whether they want to fall into open conflict with Assad, throwing away any hope of a future deal and hoping the US will still protect them once IS isn't a major thing (they wont), or if they want to leave the door open to talk later.

>>34293827
>like theres no communication between SDF and SAA.
Has there ever been much on a wide scale? I'm aware they worked together a few times on a local basis, and there was obviously contact to deescalate when they butted heads a couple of years ago over one town, but have they ever maintained a constant dialogue? Also how likely is that to have continued given the increasing tensions?

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>>34293704

>>34293826

This particular incident can be kept on the low - just blame the pilot or the intelligence. Even if the pilot had a brain meltdown and knowingly attacked a US protected target, Assad should get away with it. While I could see him getting rather pissed off with the situation there is nothing he can do with it right now. And I think he is more than bright enough to see it.

>>34292649
WTF kind of music is that. It sounds like their speakers are blown

ballistic missile launch from Iran. at least 4 starts reported. target: syria

>>34293805
Why is Assad bombing the Kurds?
He left them to die when ISIS was knocking on their doors, massacring cities full of Kurd civilians and enslaving their women.
Yet Assad didn't even bother to bomb ISIS then to stop their advance.

Now that the Kurds are advancing against ISIS Assad provides ISIS close aerial support
What gives?

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>>34294330
where can u watch this? there is some public database right?

>>34294434

No one thinks Assad gives two twigs about the future of the kurds. But so far he has not shown a pattern of attacking them in recent times either. This last plane even is easily explainable as a mistake.

Frankly I feel Assad has pursued complicated tactics in this war. using negotiations very often - combined with strongarming of course - and have shifted strategies many times. You get the feeling that he is far from alone in the strategy room.

>>34293827
They didn't bomb the village you're talking about, but SDF lines quite a bit away to the north. It wasn't just one bombing run but two one after the other. The SAA knew exactly what they were doing.

It's not the first such bombing run, the SAA has bombed the SDF at least twice in the last week.

>>34293908
>If they were smart (Kurds in particular here) they'd take a long think about whether they want to fall into open conflict with Assad

>Assad bombs Kurds for a few weeks now
>Iran establishes a new militia in Hasakah specifically to fight Kurdish control.
Assad left the Kurds to die while ISIS was taking their cities. He's failed to lift a finger to defend them, yet now asks for their loyalty? If the Kurds want to survive, they now understand that they need to protect themselves.
But Iran and Assad would never accept independent Kurds who have the power to protect themselves. And so conflict becomes inevitable.

>>34294476
The Kurds, backed by the US were too powerful militarily, tucked to far away in non strategical parts to go for them.
A campaign against the Kurds is a much harder sell to the world as well.

simply put, going after them made no sense. But now he's smelling the victory. He (or Iran) decided to make a move, at the least to block the SDF. It may turn out to be the right one for them, too early to tell.

>If they were smart (Kurds in particular here) they'd take a long think about whether they want to fall into open conflict with Assad

No way, second bombing run against the SDF today. A couple more this week.

>>34294493

Loyalty. Why would the kurds offer Assad something like that? They might make a deal with him and both sides might honor the deal for some time. Loyalty is something you give to someone you respect and honor and I can't imagine Assad seriously expecting that. It's not as if he would plan to respect or honor them.

>>34294525

Ah. So you are seeing a shift in Assad policies, trying to lean on the SDF to gain control of key areas? I do not say this is impossible but frankly I do not see it. Not yet. The Iranians are fairly lightly equipped militias and the US probably get a hardon every time they see them on their Tomahawk range maps, praying they'll be stupid enough to attack the SDF.

My guess is that Assad is biding his timing for when the last ISIS fighter dies gurgling in the sand. That is the moment the US forces loses their argument for being in Syria.

>>34294532
Can you see Assad or Iran accept Kurdish independance? I don't see a chance of that happening.
Iran is Euphoric and they have a good reason to be.
They're in the finishing touches of taking over Iraq, have secured the war in Syria. The Saudis are still failing to advance against the Houtis in Yemen and now the GCC is breaking with Qatar.

Iran will press on.
After beying betrayed and left to die, they will never accept relying on outside forces for their defense. And it seems like Trump has their back, it's not Obama.
Weapons supplies are coming in in larger quantities and now air support as well.

>US Sets up New Military Base in Syrian Kurdistan
http://www.basnews.com/index.php/en/news/middle-east/325757

>US expands air base in northern Syria for use in battle for Raqqa
https://www.stripes.com/news/us-expands-air-base-in-northern-syria-for-use-in-battle-for-raqqa-1.461874#.WUb9jJKGOaE

The only way the Kurds will get a deal is if they'd have the might to force it. Otherwise they'd get rolled.

>>34294588
It was coming for a while, the Iranian fully accept some losses if it'll stop the Kurdish advance. I doubt they'd try to take land from them or launch an offensive.

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>mfw I realise some day this twisted middle eastern game will be reset
>Some day the middle east will finally lie at peace and our descendants won't have any incompetently fought wars to shitpost about

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>>34256378
>Russian reserves are at 40 billion dollars (National wealth fund 20 billion + Reserve fund 20 billion)
>it was 400 billion back in 2012

Is Russia going to bleed itself dry fighting in the middle east again?

>>34294665

Just to make that bit clear - no, I don't see Assad accepting kurd independence. I am disappointed to see the kurds even talk of it, and am hoping it is a goal they will discuss their way away from. Autonomy for the kurds within the frame of Syria is the only realistic goal I can see. In Iraq it is different because there are so many millions of kurds, but it is still an invite to war - with Turkey in particular. But if not strike now, then when?

>>34294785
their operations in Syria are top 3-5bil $

it has nothing to do with Syria