Can someone explain to me why the US are using white phosphorus?

>>34253502
Because its effects are terrible on soft targets. Nothing like being burned alive by a chemical substance you need to scrape off with a knife.

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>>34253502
Because heretics must be purged anon..

>>34253502
I believe white phosphorus is still permitted to be used against material targets and maybe as a smoke screen.

>>34253502
Because Mudslimes aren't humans.

>>34253502
They're using it as a smokescreen so civilians can evacuate without getting shot by ISIS, or so they say. In practice, using WP in an urban center is inevitably going to set some people on fire.

Saying you're doing it for cover gives you plausible deniability re: war crimes.

Fuck ISiS that's why.

Because Napalm got a bad rap.

>>34253543
And whats the real reason?

>>34253558
remove kebab

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>>34253502
BC the jews are the spawn of satan

>>34253557
I think we need to bring it back

>>34253526
>talks about heresy
>post chinese cartoons made for virgin pedos

>>34253571
Agreed.

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>>34253575

>14 reply and not a serious answer.
I'm starting to understand that the US are responsable for ISIS and terrorism.

>>34253621

>>34253529
>>34253543
>>34253523

>>34253621
>responsable for ISIS
No shit? we stirred the pot, removed anything holding them back and united them

>>34253502
Russians have been dumping WP on Syria for months now and no one gave a fuck

>So why the US are using this?
Because not all uses of it involves using it directly on people.

Being hit by a car is pretty terrible, but they're still legal, you're just not allowed to drive through pedestrian-only zones.

Does this fall under the category of "shit we didn't sign, but kind of follow to be good sports until we don't want to" like piracy and the Hague?

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>>34253660
Now prepare for the standard cycle.

>>34253502
The Real ass reason OP? Because it works really well, and they can call them spotting rounds, and won't get in trouble for using them with that particular label. You can use Willy Pete for marking targets, because it's presumed that spot is about to eat conventional artillery anyway, and who doesn't want the best of both worlds

>>34253502
Because it's an effective incendiary weapon?

>>34253660
There's no evidence of that, only cluster bombs.

>>34253705
kek
We should technically be busting out the hollow and soft points on the cunts too. Not like any of them as irregulars, stateless armed fighters and general malcontents ever signed the Hague Convention

>>34253768
And other evidence that says yes
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/syria-russia-war-white-phosphorous-claims-video-footage-a7618976.html

Not that I don't think dropping WP on Haji matters, hell do it all you want really

>>34253558
The real reason is too provide smoke and obscure an objective.

It also is justified in forested areas a day prior to assaulting in order to burn down possible enemy concealed positions, with no intent to destroy the enemy but rather their fortifications.

>According to Human Rights Watch, its effects are terrible for civilian.
Any weapon of war is kind of terrible for civilians.

>So why the US are using this?
There really are no better ways to make a good smoke screen. Sometimes it's also more effective to set bad guys on fire as opposed to blowing them up

>>34253773
Neither did we.

Tell me without laughing that MK 262 mod 1 ISN'T a hollopoint round.

>>34253502
>Can someone explain to me

because

1 - you're a faggot

2 - enemies should be killed as efficiently as possible to avoid loss of our soldiers

3 - enemies and especially those enemies embed their fighters in civilian areas on purpose

4 - see #1

>>34253502
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LsCfbEpJgk

>>34253797
if mk262 is a hollow point, then so is 7n6

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>>34253835
Irrelevant, considering thermobarics exist.

>>34253797
Its hollow point that doesn’t perform like a hollow point I believe is the official line! :)

>runs off giggling

>>34253864
do you have a 19??'s video showing thermobarics as higher casualty producing than willy pete?

>>34253879
Also airburst munitions.

>>34253879
>thermobaric
>arabic
>thermoarabic

>>34253872
nah, the official line is that the open tip is a side effect of a manufacturing process that's intended to make the round more accurate and had nothing whatsoever to do with causing it to fragment in any way shape or form.

basically, they justify it based on intent.

like I said, though. 7n6 got the same sort of accusations -- that the hollow nose was designed to fragment.

>Russia uses WP in Syria as a weapon

Haha fuck ISIS!

>America uses WP in Syria the way it is 'allowed'

Why do you commit war crimes America?

>>34253921
you can use wp as a weapon dude. you just aren't '''''''supposed to''''''' use it around civies but that's gay and most of the anti war retards just read headlines they don't know anything about shit

>>34253846
7n6 - Closed tip
262 - Open.

But I see your point.

>>34253797
Sir you're mistaken. It's clearly and open tipped projectile.

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>>34253970
I respectfully disagree

>>34253502
It's extremely effective in generating smoke.

>>34254057
>i love the smell of kebabs in the morning

>>34253921
It is uncanny how often you can see this on differnet stuff and no, the americans arent behaving the same in this regard.

t. non american

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Because Black Phosphorus Matters

>>34253502
oh so white phosphorus is bad but being shot, blown up, or impaled is ok?

pfffttt as long as no one is using C.B.R.N. weapons who cares.

Even in the era of "hearts and minds," success is won through killing (as many) people, in the worst way possible.

>>34254105

So being burned and blown up etc is OK, but being gassed is not?

>>34253502
Everyone uses WP.

There's no rule against the general use of WP. WP is well known for its smoke causing and incendiary properties. You're more than free to use them to create smoke or start fires as you wish by every international law.

You're just not allowed to directly target infantry with it.

>Oops, these guys were caught outside when I was trying to produce a smoke cloud here. Not my fault. :^)

Literally what everyone does, has done and will continue to do forever. Russia, Israel, the US, UK, France, Dutch, etc.

>>34253570
i remember the livestream threads of those phosphorus attacks

pretty comfy desu

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>>34253502
>WP gave me PTSD in my mom's basement

Sorry, I'm a dumbass and I had to.

>>34253621
Gold star

>>34253502
>Can someone explain to me why the US are using white phosphorus?
I'm not 100% sure but I believe the Russians made the US do this.

>>34253502
>its effects are terrible for civilian.
Yeah, so what?

>>34254399
we'll never have another mindfuck of a game...

at least we'll have The Evil Within 2 to play

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>no one has blamed trump yet

color me surprised

>>34253502
although I'm certain this is a bait thread.
you offer no proof to your claim.

>>34253558
It's both an illuminate and a smoke screen. Just happens to cook really well.

>>34253502
Because it's an effective wrapon. You can stay in cover and burn/die from asphyxiation or run and get killed by conventional munitions or more WP. It's nasty, it's brutal, and poisonous to top it all off. We use it because it works and the US was able to write in enough loopholes to justify it's use without being declared war criminals.

>>34253570
Fuck Palestine.

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>>34253502
Because if you make us stop using WP, we'll just switch to magnesium. Just as pretty and just as hot.

>>34253502
lol Willie Pete is the shit man. We do what we want.

What's up with all the fucking bullshit? Incendiaries including napalm and WP are OK to use in warfare against enemy materiel and personnel, only incendiaries on and nearby civilians is restricted, with smoke munitions exempt of the treaty. t. convention on certain conventional weapons

also proofs that OP pic is US munitions

>>34253502
>Human Rights Watch

>Civilians
I don't see any civilians.

>>34253705
>>34253768
here we see stage 1

>>34253660
gimme the proof, senpai, you're so gullible baka

>>34256702
No, Magnesium is boring agains WP!

>>34253502
We don't even have WP anymore. It was destroyed along with the entirety of the US chemical arsenal at Johnston Atoll and other sites in the mid 1990s thanks to President Clinton.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnston_Atoll_Chemical_Agent_Disposal_System

>>34253502
You don't use it on the enemy directly. You just use as obscuring smoke within 25yds of their position.

>>34253502
>According to Human Rights Watch, its effects are terrible for civilian.
calm down, they are only using it on foreign countries.

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>>34253502
now we just need napalm and chlorine gas back

>>34257034
This is false, at the very least because the army uses live nerve agents to train cbrn NCOs

>>34257034
>what is the M375 series of 81mm mortar rounds.

>>34253502
>citation needed

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>>34253502
America has evolved into an evil empire

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WP is ok as long as it is for signaling and smoke screening... flares emergency smoke signals, area obfuscation

using as an offensive incendiary is not ok, pic related is the effect on a human body

>>34257527
No that's the effect of Islam on the human body.

>>34254735
The campaign against ISIS isn't purely military you dumbass. Otherwise they would have nuked the whole country.
You need to HELP the population, not BURN them.
Still didn't learn the lesson since Vietnam?

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>>34253523

Video of aftermath of Raqqa bombing.


>https://twitter.com/worldonalert/status/875106979294961665

BACK 2 BACK BBQ CHAMPS

Because it's very effective.

Legally speaking usage of incendiaries is only illegal when it comes to built up areas with a lot of civilians. Then it's technically a war crime, but as evidenced by prior recent incidents(gaza comes to mind), this doesn't really mean anything to anybody.

>>34253543
War Crimes are irrelevant, the US is not a member of the International Crimes Court, and no US soldier will EVER go to the Hague barring a catastrophic change in US foreign policy and military prowess.

>>34253502
The real reason, pure and simple, is that it is brutally effective, and as some anons noted it CAN be used very effectively as a smoke screen. Same reason we still use Cluster bombs, same reason we have been known to use fuel-air bombs despite people getting horrific visions of lungs getting ripped from your mouth, same reason we try our best to make 5.56 fragment despite the old Hague convention banning fragmenting ammunition (we aren't a signatory to that either).

There are many, MANY things in this world that exist in various legal grey areas, and the US inevitably uses most of them.

Fun fact, it's illegal to bomb cities too, but we do it anyway.

>>34253686
We aren't Hague signatories.

>>34253993
>it literally has a hollow point

This is a perfect example of major powers tending to ignore various treaties, with flimsy/pedantic arguments as to WHY they do it. "Fuck off, it kills people better", is the ultimate answer.

A close moral equivalent is "I don't watch child porn, I just have sex with 15 year old girls, which is the age of consent in ____ country :)"

>>34253502
You answered your own question, OP.
>According to Human Rights Watch, its effects are terrible for civilian.

Trump has given Mattis unlimited discretion to do whatever he pleases in the Middle East, and Mattis is the Avatar of Kalki.

>>34253502
for illuminating targets and creating smoke, sure. For firing indiscriminately into civilian apartment complexes, not so much. If Syria had any I'm sure there would be a clearer picture of how it can be misused on civilians.

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>>34253502
do you feel like a hero yet

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>>34258217
Yes

>>34258217
Yes because that game was fucking awful.

Can someone explain to me why the US uses firearms, explosives, and edged blades? According to Human Rights Watch, their effects are terrible for civilian.

So why the US are using this?

>>34253797
It's a hollow point like a miata is a respectable sports car.

It isn't designed to act like HP, just as many AP rounds aren't designed for AP or don't meet the construction that defines AP but with penetrate armor.

>>34253570
>actually defending kebab

/pol/ is that way, nigger

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because trump wants his 9/11

>>34253502
Ordinary munition is much worse. From Raqqa, today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Aq1VCzGYXo

Target Marking

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you CAN be famous

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>>34253502
Because it's extremely fucking useful? You can use it as smoke screen, to blind enemies, to kill enemies, to illuminate targets or areas to clear out fortified positions. I mean fuck my life, anyone could use some WP.

>>34259086
that's fucked up

>>34253502
>its effects are terrible for civilian.

...as opposed to other types of munitions, whose effects are wonderful for civilians?

>>34259231
the coaliation does this since months. maybe since more than a year. which is the reason why IS came to europe.

>>34259086

Does the UN think you can retake a city without any civilian casualties? It's a war. People just get butthurt because we now have a bunch of arabs filming from raqqa to make people feel bad. It's literally isis hoping to use civilians as shields.

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I don't think that's Willie Pete...it was way more smokier than that.

>>34253502
Because all's fair in love and war

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>>34253575
>post chinese cartoons made for virgin pedos
>implying it isn't a cartoon about virgin pedos made for the chinese

>>34258069
Actually the debate was if it was open tip like mk 262, which it clearly is not.

>>34258833
But is it not a hollow point by every definition outside of blatant retardation?

It's an amazing round that I wish was fucking standard, we didn't sign Hague, but my point remains. We really don't care, never have.

>>34258069
>Same reason we still use Cluster bombs
Obama banned clusters use and production.

>>34259272
And the artillery will continue till the subhumans learn. Not the west's fault they need to be taught with a bigger stick.

>>34256702
can someone explain why they are watching rounds being fired in to the desert.

>>34259686
the sand is very evil and those fireballs are wicked

>>34254399
That game was fucking garbage purely for the WP scene.

If you had used HE rounds on those civilians they'd be dead all the same.

>>34253502
it's great for making smoke, keeps ISIS's AA cannons off the American jets anon

>>34259777
And the fact that you were given no choice. Some dudes tried to force their way past that scene and always wound up dead by perma-respawning enemies.

Nice trips btw.

>>34259674
>banned
You mean put back on the shelf to use later?

>>34257265
>Using WP against ISIS means we're evil
That's an interesting way to interpret this.

>>34259272
You sound awfully sympathetic for IS.

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>>34253502
Because some general has stocks in whatever chemical company that makes it. This is also why we haven't just killed all the goat fuckers already. Gotta keep the money flowing though doing perpetual war, best way to keep it going forever is to do things that make more terrorists

>>34253502
Honestly my bet would be it's Cold War stock that's nearing it's use-by date, so they're just slinging them for the hell of it. Seems pretty likely that an incendiary weapon such as WP would have a relatively short shelf life.

>>34259674
What a pussy

>>34260768
I kinda of doubt the US would approve any new orders for WP, due to the international backlash surrounding pretty much any incendiary munitions since the excessive use of Napalm in Vietnam. The media shitstorm that occurs every time WP is used is a perfect example of this, so just imagine how bad it would be about the US approving MORE of the stuff being produced and bought.

>>34260789
It was symbolic.

He preferred to know that the wedding being hit is the only thing that gets touched.

>>34260811
No we have literally admitted to using it at this point. We are using WP, admittedly with some precautions taken unlike Israel that isn't exactly discriminate with their use
http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2017/06/13/532809626/u-s-led-coalition-has-used-white-phosphorous-in-fight-for-mosul-general-says

>>34260846
That's WP being used as a smoke screen, not as an incendiary weapon. Of course that still presents more than a minor risk of burning human targets, but it's different than using it as an incendiary device which is banned.

>>34260902
Right, as a "smoke screen" for using ol Willy Pete on good old fashioned civvies

>>34260902
It's still being used in close proximity to civilians which is really stupid and dangerous. I don't care if they throw it on some ridge line, but this is a city where people live, it's not safe to use it there

>>34253502
no civilians in Raqqa, only terrorists without guns

The one thing I've learned, or relearned I guess, is that modern artillery is terrifying. This is just a half-assed fire mission and the accuracy and timing is top notch

>>34253502
The US never signed on to The Hague. We just make a show of abiding by it.
[Sometimes]

>>34257829
>https://twitter.com/worldonalert/status/875106979294961665
holy gigadick what an obvious propaganda site

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>doing field exercise
>get given platoon radio because I'm new and no one wants anything to do with it
>boss wants to call in artillery, simulated
>oh shid
>i have only the vaguest idea of what to do, boss just leaves me too it while he co-ordinates something else
>find the grid of the place I want to fuck, my grids aren't even checked by anyone else so straight away you know this is unrealistic as fuck
>'enemy' are just a bunch of targets behind some minimal earthwork cover
>this calls for shake and bake
>call in for HE Smoke Mix on that grid because I thought it would be funny
>hear guy on the other end, who is artillery, suppress a chuckle
At least I brightened up the day of some poor faggot that's been sitting in a tent half the night playing with his foreskin.

>>34253570
Watching those altercations was so fun. I don't like diaspora Jews and am a little resentful of Israel because of their impact on our foreign policy but shitting on the Palestinians makes up for everything.

>>34257140
Chlorine, while horrific, is not that effective, particularly as countermeasures are cheap and easy to produce (even just a wet rag offers significant protection), and its high visibility makes it easy to avoid. It is inexpensive to manufacture, and has a high psychological effect, but is far less dangerous than something like VX.

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>>34253797
>>34253846
>>34253872

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>>34253502
Because the U.S doesn't give a fuck about the Geneva Conventions. U.S millitary honestly pretty scary. They've used nuked on people before they'll probably do it again, official U.S foreign policy stance on nuclear weapons is they 'reserve the right to first strike'.

>>34253558

he literally just explained it

>>34260811
Lol, the US still manufactures WP.

No one who matters gives a shit.

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>>34253502
EODfag
>opfags pic is 155mm M825 or -A1 WP
>most traditional WP is a HE burster that spreads it in all directions, 825 kicks out a canister full of WP felt wedges that shower down in that distinctive pattern.
Yes, it's new and current manufacture
Yes, it's legal internationally
No, nobody gives any fucks whatsoever, because it is necessary and it works
It's actually not an effective incendiary, thats a minor characteristic, the main use is for marking targets or producing a rapid screening smoke.

>Its a marking round, it indicates the location of screaming women and children (joke) :)

>>34253543
America truly are the bad guys

>>34253813
Concise points anon.

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>>34262358
EODfag
Traditional bursting WP
Note pre-safety, nobody is hiding from the dreaded incendiary attack, 90+% of the WP is already consumed into phosphorus pentoxide smoke.
>the real danger is breathing in the smoke as it converts to phosphoric acid when it gets wet in the lungs

>>34258278
Because they are the bad guys, fighting people in rags with moabs and then cry about them playing unfair

>>34262372
Like hell

Why do people insist on fighting be fair....... It's by far one of the more hypocritical things I've ever heard. I think using WP is underkill we should have went ahead and nuked them to the point we could see them glow from Mars.

>>34254399
Am I like, the only person that just thought "oops" and pushed passed all the burning people?

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>>34257527
It looks like a chicken roast

>>34261647
Geneva conventions have nothing to do with any of this, you twit

>ISIS say the US are using WP
>ISIS

/k/ really isn't the brightest

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>>34264038
>TFW YOU FEL FOR THE /k/ IS SMART MEME

>>34259086
Lol. Bruh they over there getting torched.
Maybe they should start turning in terrorists and insurgents instead of harboring and supporting them.

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>>34253502
We thought it'd be funny.

>>34253570
Can't you just fall into a vat a lye so I can make some soap to wash my hands of you

>>34264038
That is WP definitely
How it is used is another matter.

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>Can someone explain to me why the US are using white phosphorus?
Because it is a nice way to remember everyone in Raqqa that USA and SDF are evil and when Based Assad comes by and retakes the syrian land back to the syrian People they won't complain about him anymore with Free ""Syrian" Army bullshit again.

That, my friend, is 4D chess being played for a long lasting ME peace.

>>34253588

Kill yourself you degenerate genetic failure of a man

>>34254399
most of that game was fun but that scene pisses me off to no end. Even a mouth breathing retard could tell that was a mass of civilians, even using thermal camera. Then the game MAKES you shoot them in order to continue.

Goddamn I was mad. Felt so cheap

>>34264952
>banned gmo

I wish I knew they had done this as a way to tell monopolists to fuck off rather than knowing they did it for some dumbshit religious rhetoric

>>34259674

No the fuck he didn't. I have friends in Conventional that process CAS expenditures of CBUs in the desert all the time.