TALOS meme

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http://defensenewz.com/index.php/2017/05/19/its-getting-real-special-ops-iron-man-suit-takes-shape/
Here ya go

Thalmor Kryptonite

>Someone has great idea of having a powered frame that carries the weight of your pack for you, meaning no annoying knee operations later in life
>Looks promising, give funding
>Assign project to backwards-laughing Warhammer autists with delusions of incorrigible sealed hardsuits just like in their Japanese animes and derivative tabletop board games
>Somehow the specification of "Ballistic armor must cover minimum 60% of the operator" creeps in somewhere along the way
>In spite of not protecting femoral artery or pelvis at all, suit now weights 400 pounds
>Literally has bracers, like something out of star wars.
>Massive solid chest piece, when combined with the slated MTEK style facial armor, will prevent the user from looking at his toes
>When this all inevitably gets spat on by the end user and the program gains reputation as a lemon, exoskeletons for infantry use will get set back 20 years
Thanks, nerds.

>>34240914
>will prevent the user from looking at his toes
just like when you look down in an FPS

>>34241600
no... the exact opposite of that

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I think they should approach this program like they did with the land warrior. Basic, using off the shelf shit, goals were reasonable. They were able to create a system that, although not perfect, still gave the soldiers who used this a noticeable increase in situational awareness and better unit cohesion and efficiency.

Also, wouldn't making systems and products to reduce the required shit soldiers have to ruck around to decrease the overall weight of the modern warfighter be a smarter choice rather than making some sci fi exo suit that weighs 400 pounds alone? Or am I just overthinking it?

>>34241860
i think the hardest part for people to realize is that a human life has a price. at a certain point the money spent is not worth 1 soldier. but people still want to imagine soldiers running around like a modern knight in armor, bullets bouncing off left and right.

>>34241860
>Also, wouldn't making systems and products to reduce the required shit soldiers have to ruck around to decrease the overall weight of the modern warfighter be a smarter choice rather than making some sci fi exo suit that weighs 400 pounds alone?

>reduce entire ruck to 40 lbs
>40 LBS?
>40 FUCKING LBS?
>I DIDN'T COME INTO THE ARMY TO COMMAND A BUNCH OF FUCKING WIMPS
>LET'S LOAD YOU UP WITH WATER AND BATTERIES TO GET YOU BACK UP TO A HEALTHY, JOINT GRINDING 70 LBS

you know it's going to happen

>>34240666
4u

>>34240690
>prototype wont be ready until 2018
so late 2020 at the earliest

>>34240666
>Make 600k body armour
>Get killed by $3 of HME

Just focus on armed flying drones DARPA.

>>34240666
It probably is if the battery goes out.

>>34242608
> A small power pack powers the suit, and a cooling vest pumps water through three yards of tubing under the suit to maintain core temperature; the power pack has a cooling fan that can be heard in close proximity, but it is thought that won't matter after breaching a door.
A fucking fan

>>34240914
This, holy shit.
>you know that 120+ combat load? How about something that makes that "only" feel like 60 lbs?
>yeah! that'd be gre-
>No fuck you, we power armor now
Also the lack of groin protection is hilarious.
>this shit becomes common
>doctrine change from center mass to center dick
Wow, great for morale
>I'm invulnerable everywhere but the third most important thing to me after my brain and heart.

>>34242626
I don't see a problem. Try walking quietly on any sort of terrain, housing floor, whatever, it's not usually going to end up being any more quiet. Plus if you're using a gun it's not like stealth is a huge option.

For whatever reason the US is totally incapable of procuring basic stuff

I guess no exoskeleton stuff will happen until we get another MRAP situation

400 fucking pound exoskeleton jesus christ, why not just give them a tracked ATV or something

>>34242710
>the third most important thing to me after my brain and heart.
The stomach?

>>34243109
>For whatever reason the US is totally incapable of procuring basic stuff
It's not expensive enough, goy, you deserve nothing but the best

well realistically I doubt they are giving these suits to expeditionary forces, will probably be used for base patrol or maybe urban warfare. But honestly it will probably be scrapped.

Imagine what could have been.
Legs and lower back exoskeleton making you a spring heeled jack compared to normal with your usual load.
Upgrades to armor includes just an apron flap of plate under the usual chestplate and tigh plates to protect your femoral artery/ the hydrolics.
Still a gain in felt load. Still a defense upgrade, no pauldrons.

>>34243382
No pauldrons?
Don't you know it only takes a single shot to the shoulder and 24h of sitting there bleeding without any attempt at first aid to kill a man?
If anything we need bigger pauldrons!

>>34242003
your forgetting the part where they have no idea why moral is low

Why is it that in any lategame play it's the most experienced and agile character that win?

Heavy weapons guy is right about one thing, though. You cant outsmart a bullet.

Speed is strength, too, so I guess the old saying "everything in moderation" prevails.

>>34244101
Because we saw what the endgame of bigger booms is.
Detterence strategy aside, it's a game where you can't affort a hit even if you can survive it.

TALOS is the future, it's just at the "RSC M1917" stage . A neat gimmick, and technically usable, but not something that's truly viable. The next generation will truly be viable.

That said, SOCOM said they will deploy an exo by 2020, as in combat operations. They seem to have something. Of course, R&D for a couple hundred warfighters is much easier than a couple tenthousand

>>34243122
Found the fatty.

>>34243122
I'm having trouble figuring out why anyone would rate their penis below the other things.

>>34243486
>found the spess mahren

>>34240666
Looks like fallout 4 combat armor

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>>34242608
>>34242626
>>34242739
>the future is now

>>34240914

>Warhammer autists
>Japanese animes

Pick one island-nation nerd culture and stick with it.

>>34244315
Bigger the pauldrons, the better the marine

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>>34240666
>>34240914
The final version more than likely won't resemble that at all. That really looks like one of those mock ups that they do instead instead of bringing the real thing to show off. This is evident from the oversized football pad like chest piece armor when the military has previously put out designs like pic related for how they could increase the armor soldiers can carry. That revision prototype from a couple years back also looked more mature than the pic in the OP.

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>>34244798
And a picture of a person actually wearing that armor (pic 2 is just a close up picture of the helmet).

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>>34244803
And some pictures of the revision prototype. It's pretty clear that the pic from the OP is just a mock up of what some guy thinks the final product could look like and not the real thing.

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>>34244813
And one more picture.

>>34244798
>>34244803
>unbroken plate armor from collar bone to pelvis

Can we please stop this trend, specifically?

>>34244864
It looks segmented. Considering the 60 percent armor coverage requirement, it could be worse desu.

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>>34244821
Found one more, an older picture of what the US military envisioned fully enclosed power armor would look like.

>>34244864
Why? It still has small gaps to allow flexibility like that Russian armor I can't remember the name of that's already issued.

>>34244886
That's from a different program, not the current TALOS program.

>>34242035
>soldier in normal body armour with 10 weaponized automated quadcopters
>snaps fingers and points, drones clear room
>firefight starts during patrol, drones kill anyone non-allied holding a gun or ied
>use laser pointer and wrist computer to direct drones to specific locations for cleanup
>drones hover on every street and shoot non-allies with any weapon, 24/7

>mfw future soldiers are just IT guys with tablets and laser pointers

>>34245112
>tfw the kebab combat this by getting their tech savy nerd friend to build a jammer

>>34244798
>>34244803
I got an idea. Why not we just take the old body armor, and slap the exo-skeleton bits on it!

Like here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2W23ysgWKI

>>34245153
>consumer quadcopters return to origin when jammed
>military killcopters autosweep kebab roast when jammed

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>>34244798
Needs mechanical powered arm like this. level IV helmet with level IV face shield would be weighting like 15-20 lbs. No way it can be be carried by soldiers neck alone. Needs exoskeleton help.

>>34245558
See >>34244821, it has already been done and doesn't even need power. It just works by being a well balanced joint.

>>34245153
>turn on jammer
>drones home on jammer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIiQPvzwNws

>>34240666
Sort of looks like Fallout NV Combat Armor

>>34245593
Pretty sure that helmet set up weights like 4-5 lbs top.

>>34245615
That doesn't mean the design itself can't work with more weight. Designing well balanced joints and hinges can go a long way, and is why those several hundred ton gates at the Panama Canal were able to be designed to be moved with a single 25 horsepower motor.

>>34245662
>able to be designed to be moved with a single 25 horsepower motor.
With turtle speed. You need to overcome not only weight but also inertia and joints friction if you want to move head around.

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>>34245112
I would program my drones to follow the aim of my finger gun and shoot when I say bang.

>>34245698
A full NIJ IV helmet made of decent modern material isn't going to weigh more than a plate carrier loaded with AR500 plates. Human neck muscles would have no problem moving it around when not being burdened by having to support the helmet for hours at a time.

>>34245770
ACH style helmet alone has surface area of SAPI plate.
>Simply put, a steel level IV solution in 10" x 12" would weigh nearly 13lb's per plate.
Now add face shield.

>Human neck muscles would have no problem moving it around when not being burdened by having to support the helmet for hours at a time.
There is a reason for use of POWERED exoskeleton, you know...

>>34240666
You realize that the point is that its powered to be able to lift that weight itself, yeah?

>>34246020
>despite all the advances that have been made with multi hit ceramic plates, the helmet HAS to be steel
no

>There is a reason for use of POWERED exoskeleton, you know...
Yes, in order to increase the weight soldiers can carry in practical ways. Not so you can throw extra pointless weight at problems that can be solved equally well with significantly lighter equipment that doesn't need the additional complexity and fragility of a powered mechanism to move it around.

>>34246073
>no
Thing is BFD is a thing with helmets. It needs to be around zero unlike with plates. It adds serous weight penalty.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3970092/

>>34246148
That problem still could most certainly be solved with composite armor with a thin back layer of hardened steel rather than making the entire helmet out of steel, or possibly with improved padding inside the helmet designed for the purpose. Either of those would produce lighter results than making a helmet entirely out of steel thick enough to get an NIJ IV rating.

>>34246256
This is where you end in the 15-20 lbs range with face shield and side coverage all level IV.

>>34246328
>helmet has the same coverage as a normal rifle plate
>face coverage adds a bit more coverage
>somehow solving the backface deformation problem will make it weigh 2x as much as normal rifle plates that offer the same coverage
no

>>34244821
>general atomic
holy shit this is a real thing now?

>>34246371
wat? They've been around for just under 62 years now:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Atomics

They build the Predators and other UAVs.

>>34246387
I'm such a newfag. I'm going to lurk more now.

>>34246351
Level IV plate is in the teh 7.5 lbs range. Double area. You have 15 lbs already without penalties for BDF reduction and heavy curve.

>>34246761
>Level IV plate is in the teh 7.5 lbs range
Shitty poorfag ones are. Currently the lightest available NIJ IV certified stand alone 10x12 plates weigh 4.4 lbs.
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/10/12/rma-armament-lightest-level-iv-plate/
Don't remember the previous best but even a few years ago there were stand alone NIJ IV certified 10x12 plates in the 5-6 lb range that didn't depend on ridiculous cuts.

>>34242035
You say that like it doesn't already cost hundreds of thousands to arm current soldiers who get BTFO by some decade old AK using surplus ammo from the 50's.
Or like we don't drop millions of dollars worth of ordinance on a village that's total worth is less than $1000 on a nearly daily basis.

>>34244798
Those pauldrons are way too small.

What happened to liquid body armor?

>>34247716
Dropped like a hot rock due to weight constrictions

>>34240666
Give a buff soldier a TALOS with a fully enclosed helmet and better gut protection plus a XM-25 and we have a ghetto spess muhreen.
Hell i don't even like Wh40K but i want to see that now

>>34247922
Needs larger pauldrons.

>>34244153
It's not the future you clown
An exoskeleton is not at all a difficult thing to make, its insane that this drags on for years with no product

>>34246761
>>34246812
4.4 lbs plates are not going to stop large caliber AP rounds

Anyways there is no reason why you need to do powered anything in an exoskeleton. Just have to balance it around gravity.

>>34248169
>4.4 lbs plates are not going to stop large caliber AP rounds
They're rated as NIJ IV you double nigger.

>>34240914
reading 6 words of this post is making me close the thread

hate

>>34248207
>.30 Armour Piercing (M2 AP)

No point developing an exoskeleton that can't stand up to at least .50 BMG if not 14.5mm AP

>>34240690
This should be the new Department of Homeland Security

>Vid related, Antifa raid during 2020 reelection
https://youtu.be/6lrl5Kj79u4

>>34248325

that's the current day FEMA

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>>34248233
>if you give soldiers heavier armor, you need make sure they have more armor on their head than the rear half of many APCs
Why? If an enemy has to resort to getting head shots with crew served heavy weapons loaded with AP ammunition to be effective against your soldiers (or even needs crew served heavy weapons in order to engage your soldiers in any amount), then it's safe to say that your soldiers are armored enough and don't need more armor.

>>34248364
They should be protected against WW2 era anti-tank rifles

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>>34244904

>>34248374
>soldiers need to be protected against uncommon and incredibly cumbersome weapons that can only really be fired from fixed positions
If that's what the enemy needs to resort to in order to engage your normal soldiers then they have already lost. There is no point in armoring soldiers to deal with that threat.

>>34248422
They are not uncommon and no more cumbersome than an RPG
Yet you see RPG protection on every vehicile

>>34248475
This thread is about soldiers, not vehicles. They would be armored to deal with the threats that soldiers face. If the enemy has to resort to anti vehicle weaponry to take out regular soldiers then they have already lost. There would be no point in armoring soldiers to deal with anti vehicle threats when dismounted as you would only succeed at making it harder for your soldiers to use existing vehicles for transport purposes.

>>34248522
Because anti-material rifles or RPG's have never been fired at soldiers before?

>>34248905
The difference he is saying, brainlet, is that if that's your only means of combating a ground pounder you are well and truly fucked.

Because, and I know this will be earth shattering to one with an intellect as yours, not everyone has an RPG, or an anti tank rifle.

>>34248961
a rifle chambered in .50 BMG is no more difficult to purchase or use than one chambered in 5.56

>>34242626
Prickly heat is truly something evil.

>>34248999
A single .50 BMG cartridge weighs as much as 9.5 rounds of 5.56. Would you seriously be willing to go into a fight carrying 25-31 rounds of .50 BMG instead of 240-300 rounds of 5.56? That's less ammo than what troops carried back when armies issued single shot rifles. Not to mention you'd be replacing your ~7 lb rifle with a 20+ lb rifle.

>>34249182
So try aiming before you fire

>>34249205
>trying to fight a battle without suppressing fire

>>34249219
Suppressing fire is a meme
And if you are facing an enemy wearing armor that your small arms cannot penetrate even with 100 hits, then you aren't suppressing anything

>>34244401
what if I were to tell you people are capable of liking multiple things at once?
> be Weeb, Warhammer, shitposter, /fit/fag and /k/ommando

>>34249233
>that your small arms cannot penetrate
a grenade can

>>34249332
uh no grenades don't penetrate bodyarmor at all
They are just a lot of small pellets

>>34249233
Then you get suppressed almost immediately and are forced to retreat under fire with your 30+ lbs of rifle and ammunition that would be really expensive to lose and hard to hide.

>>34249349
the shockwave will fuck you up if you're near it, and yes pieces of shrapnel will penetrate anything short of 1/2 inch plate.

>>34249233
>Suppressing fire is a meme

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>34248999
>a rifle chambered in .50 BMG is no more difficult to purchase or use than one chambered in 5.56

An anti material rifle is not issued to every troop

>b...but IT MIGHT BE

Then you will have 10x the cost for 10x less ammo and 10x the logistical burden.

>suppression fire is a meme

Anon, tell your handler to turn off your computer. Brainlet absolutely confirmed.

>>34249389
>and yes pieces of shrapnel will penetrate anything short of 1/2 inch plate
All the kevlar body armor already issued to soldiers exists for the sole purpose of of stopping fragmentation from grenades and shells. Also, have fun needing to get even close and being able to carry even less ammo than if you decided to go with a .50 BMG rifle.

>>34249463
>All the kevlar body armor already issued to soldiers exists for the sole purpose of of stopping fragmentation from grenades and shells.
you forget that the training accompanying that body armor tells the soldiers to get the fuck away from the grenade.

>Also, have fun needing to get even close and being able to carry even less ammo than if you decided to go with a .50 BMG rifle.
how about you just go with a normal .223, and shoot the people coming to recharge the fat autist in the suit?

>>34249448
>An anti material rifle is not issued to every troop
Because its not needed, if it were needed, such as the enemy force being filled with heavily armored exoskeletons. Then nothing would stop mass production/deployment of anti-material rifles

>>34249483
>how about you just go with a normal .223, and shoot the people coming to recharge the fat autist in the suit?
>just try to shoot people on the FOB the soldiers are stationed at
Jesus, these ideas keep getting stupider.

>>34249564
these autistosuits won't have enough power to last foe 4 hours. people are going to have to recharge the suits near the soldiers.

>>34249564
There are no FOB's in a real war

>>34249582
>recharge
Supposedly the Army is looking at running them on JP8.

>>34244813
>>34244821
WE CSAT NOW

>>34249511
>Then nothing would stop mass production/deployment of anti-material rifles

Except a soilder is far less combat effective with a semi automatic rifle with exponentially increased weight and logistical and monitary cost.

The exo would walk all over such a solider with increased suppressive ability

>>34249610
>attaching fucking jet engines to cletus

>>34248223
>reading 6 words of this post is making me close the thread
>Someone has great idea of having
Oh yeah, well and truly rage inducing.

>>34248385
Underrated

>>34249624
>semi automatic rifle
They'd probably be bolt action to shave several pounds off the weight of the gun, not to mention the cost. The Barrett M82 weighs about 30 lbs.

>>34249653
>>34249653
Most every 50bmg is in the 30 pound range. That's the equivalent of 5 ar15s.

>>34245112
The thing is you can operate those weaponized drones from a comfy trailer in Camp Leatherneck.

>>34244813
>almost 2 feet of open unarmored abdomen

Is this a plate carrier for ants?

>>34248233
Doesn't sound that difficult, we have the technology, we can rebuild it.

>>34248233
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjVrcr3VXjk

There's probably shit far lighter than this that can do a just as good or better job.

>>34250093
Transparent aluminum AKA ALON is used for windshields that need to be not ridiculously thick but still be .50 AP resistant. It is lighter than the equivalent amount steel at this protection level but is bulkier. Actually kind of like Ferro Fibrous in a way...

Really if you're looking for options to provide AP resistance below 1" of plating, then it probably has to be a composite of steel and good old pottery. I don't think weight can be improved much without going into more exotic, electrically charged protection systems.

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>>34250251
>needing a transparent window
Just stick an occulus rift behind some plate. Bonus features: Sloped armor and thermal cameras.

>>34249511
The reason why anybody can use heavy anti-materiel rifles, prepare and aim rocket launchers with respect to backblast, set down bulky support machineguns and accurately place rifle grenades is because the rest of their team have normal intermediate rifles and are able to suppress the enemy so that those cumbersome weapons can be set up safely. That completely goes out the window when intermediate or even full power rifles are no longer able to suppress the enemy, partly because they don't die when you hit them with BB guns.

How is the rest of the team supposed to operate as a "team"? Either the heavy weapons personnel act as lone wolves trying to get off a few effective shots and then run for their lives, or the other members act as basically cannon fodder to distract their fully armored adversaries while the weapons are set up.

Simply equipping every man with an anti-materiel rifle is like going back to WW1, "every soldier is a 1000m marksman" plan, except now the enemy is now happily prancing around with machineguns and clearing the trenches with them. And what happens if a country with more conventional infantry invades? Do you have to buy and stock two different sets of equipment for every single soldier you command and train them with two completely different philosophies of war? Even if you could, they would no longer be as good as either.

>>34250344
>Simply equipping every man with an anti-materiel rifle is like going back to WW1
More like the Zulu wars. Soldiers during WWI could actually lay down decent suppressing fire with their bolt action rifles.

>>34250344
So what are you saying? That there is no possible or physical way to equip troops to deal with armored exoskeletons?

>>34250812
What I'm saying is that while you CAN equip them to deal with armored exoskeletons (aka powered armor), they will always be at a distinct fundamental disadvantage that may be very difficult to overcome using purely quantity over quality.

One group is squishy and one group is not. This tilts the scales to the non-squishy group because they have:
1. More options
2. Options that allow them to negate and suppress the few remaining options of the squishy group
3. More mobile because the squishy group has less or no viable offensive options at the time
4. More options because they are more mobile

The above points are just the basics of conflict though, you could apply it to a lot of different things. This will be the equivalent of the revolution of the tank rolling over trenches for the first time during WW1, but for infantry this round.

The question is whether a country are willing to spend the cash and effort to climb to this level, not whether they can find another more efficient path or a better use of their money. You can only stuff so many people into a certain space at any one time. The only way to increase the effectiveness of your troops given a fixed quantity is to increase their quality, no ifs or buts.

>>34251036
>This will be the equivalent of the revolution of the tank rolling over trenches for the first time during WW1, but for infantry this round.
with the accompanying logistical clusterfuck. nobody, short of the USA, will be able to field these things beyond their their local region.

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>>34250321
>Horizontal edge

That just seems like a bad idea. Either you get lucky and it goes up or you take it on the chin, through the neck, or in the chest. Vertical edge is the way to go.

(There's only like 2 images of the originals doing the block, one of them is a postage stamp and the other is a dead photobucket, so forgive me for posting nu-Stooges)

>>34251036
Delusional nonsense
exoskeletons are a meme, they are useless in peer v peer, and inferior to tracked vehicles

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No one has yet to ask the most important question about exo suits...
>will it blend?

>>34244803
Thank God they blurred his face. Wouldn't want Isis to know how much of a gigantic faggot he is.

>>34244798
We guardsmen now

>>34248999
>a rifle chambered in .50 BMG is no more difficult to purchase or use than one chambered in 5.56

A rifle weighing upwards of 30 pounds using ammo too heavy to carry much of is just as easy to use as an AR? Must be the tard strength I hear so much about.

>>34240666
We wolfenstein now

>>34240666
>imperial guard armor

imperial guards were pumped on multiple steroids and some kinda meth

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>>34251890
Robot doggos when?

>>34251890
Looks more like Doom desu senpai.

>>34251893
Shouldn't be to hard to incorporate. What are the current best combat drugs?

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>>34250321

This artist's work is the shit. Love their stuff.

>>34253508

>artist, singular

>plural descriptor

>>34253595
"Their" can be singular. Read a book.

>>34240738
recognized

>>34243109
>mobility scooters for soldiers
holy fuck my sides.

>>34251821
I was thinking the same thing.

>>34240666
Will swords come back when we have fully armoured soldiers?

>>34255126
No, it will lead to man portable rail guns and plasma rifles.

>>34255291
portable rail gun? Where would the energy come from? Why would you need something so powerful? Plasma rifle?

>>34255342
>Where would the energy come from?
Advanced battery tech that is being developed for power armor.

>Why would you need something so powerful?
Velocity is what defeats armor.

>Plasma rifle?
It's still many years away, but the tech is being developed right now.

http://www.military.com/video/off-duty/tech/new-progress-on-plasma-weapons/2324951333001

>>34255342
Chemrail, son. Chemical first stage gas expansion charges on board dynamo which discharges in sequence to the thin metal projectile.

The big challenge with portable railguns is actually going to be that there'll be no way you can conceal your fire when you're lobbing objects quick enough to ignite the surrounding atmosphere. That might not matter much though when you're hitting targets at hundreds of meters with pinpoint accuracy in split seconds.

>>34255441
>first stage gas expansion.. onboard dynamo..
So what you're telling me is that you want a gun that runs on a gasoline engine?
Because there's no way you're designing a gun that needs two separate magazines (for gunpowder and ammo), a dynamo that can handle explosive chamber pressures, next to a set of supercapacitors to hold that charge.
That would be the single most complicated gun in existence.

>>34255408
>Velocity is what defeats armor.
It's not like everyone will be wearing armor like that though, right?

>Advanced battery tech that is being developed for power armor.
Don't they require a ships generator right now?

>http://www.military.com/video/off-duty/tech/new-progress-on-plasma-weapons/2324951333001
Very cool.

>>34255441
Yeah that's another thing. Wouldn't really need that armour if you're going to stay far away.

>>34250321
>downward sloping from the face

Wouldn't that deflect bullets down toward the unarmored neck?

>>34240666
>shoulder pauldrons

paint that shit white with red crosses and you have some deus vult level shit right there

>>34241905
That's dumb, no one Is talking about giving this to stupid grunts. They're talking about giving it to commandos who directly benefit from increased invulnerability to small arms fire.

>>34248385
Lololol

>>34246387
Fallout also has a General Atomics.

>>34256387
Only 60 years, 4 months, and 9 days to go I guess.

>>34249483
>how about you just go with a normal .223, and shoot the people coming to recharge the fat autist in the suit?
While your unable to shoot the people shooting at you? If that worked anti-tank weapons wouldn't exist. You have to kill the enemy shooting at you or your fucked.

>>34248385
KLATUU
VERADA
NIKTO

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So, real life Section 8 armored infantry when?

>>34255493
Not at all, the chemical gas expansion Is from a propellant charge is the cartridge like a normal rifle, this kickstarts the projectiles movement, the high pressure expanding propellant gas is then tapped away via gas ports and baffles where it is used to spin a series of dynamos to charge up the rail section of the barrel and sling the projectile at an insane velocity.

>>34244813
Hey guys you know where we should add Armour instead of armoring our dicks, our shins.

>>34244813
Why there isn't any kind of protection for the lower abdomen area?

It mustn't be because of agility reasons as the legs are a tad over-armored.

>>34258010
I've honestly wondered about that since I first saw it. My guess is that they hadn't worked out a good attachment method yet, but I also remember hearing that it might have been because the dummy that they had the gear on might not have been able to take more weight. Also, the armor on the knees and shins appears to be just be impact protection rather than actual ballistic protection.

>>34257492
First of all, that's terrible because you're going from chemical energy -> turbines -> magnets

You're losing energy every step of the way. If we were using fast burning explosives like gunpowder, it would be more efficient to just use the gunpowder to propel the projectile, because there's less energy lost in conversion. You will not get more velocity out of magnetism than you will get out of the propellant charge, even at 100% conversion efficiency. You would have to create energy from nothing to do that.

The only reasonable method to power a portable chemrail, which is apparently just a regular railgun powered using chemical energy, is to take advantage of the energy density of petroleum products. Petroleum products don't burn as fast or expand as fast as gunpowder, but they do pack a shitload of energy per unit of volume.
This means you can use a standard gas/diesel generator to power a railgun. This is obviously better than a gunpowder-powered chemrail because you isolate the power source from the gun, and because this actually makes it reasonable to use gasoline as a propellant, which is cheap, accessible, and more stable than gunpowder.

>>34242003
>>34244091
found a couple pussies that joined for the free college. lift some weights and leave your barracks room. morale is fine, bitch.

>>34258141
One way around the whole energy loss thing while using gunpowder, is to accept that there will be energy loss. You can still do your dynamo thing, but it needs to be understood that it is only reasonable to do so once increasing the amount of gunpowder stops increasing the velocity of a projectile in a standard rifle. There is an upper limit to this, because gunpowder can only expand so fast.

This means that at minimum, a chemrail needs to handle absolutely huge chamber pressures, even for small calibers. It may not necessarily need to fire the gunpowder and projectile at the same time, but the recoil will be immense either way. This is why I said that isolating the energy source from a chemrail is a good idea.

>>34249233
So your tellin me you can make accurate shots from a fixed position with a .50 bmg rifle while several assholes fire M4s in controlled bursts on your position? Damn anon, you should be a muhreen or ranger, they need idiots to soak bullets up

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>>34258259
pic related, chemrail cartridge on the left. At some point you'll pack so much powder into a casing that the bullet can't go any faster.

All this shit and yet there's no smartlinked guns.

I want to be raifu.

>>34251893
>meth
worked alright for Nazis until Russia cut they supply lines

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>>34258319
The only problem in making that is providing soldiers with a decent transparent HUD for daytime use. The military is already issuing equipment to do exactly that for night time use.

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Whats stopping just making full metal faceplate with VR inside and cameras outside?

>provide protection
>More robust than our eyes and faces
>Provide better picture too
>misc aka other modes, zooming, bigger FOV etc

>>34258498
Display resolutions mainly, which is one of the same factors that's limiting current VR headsets. Any problems with equipment failure could easily be solved by simply having the armor panel/display assembly removable so the soldier wouldn't need to completely ditch their helmet in the even that the cameras get damaged.

>>34255408
That plasma thing is pretty dope. Generating a magnetic field by spinning the toroid is very clever and will allow fusion reactors to be more efficient. I hope someone in France sees this research and applies it to their reactor, if only as a test bed.

>>34258596
Hopefully the Rise of Cheap 4k video is helping with that. It's only a matter of time until the cameras and video software are capable of handling images with a greater pixel count that what our eyes can differentiate from. especially since its more of a stream rather than a playback for the user so clarity loss from data compression isn't as much of an issue for the operator.

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>>34255408
>weaponized plasma
Halo when?

>>34259286
At VR distances, and including the magnification, it's probably between 8K-16K.

>>34255408
Velocity isn't necessarily what might be ideal for defeating armor here.

Plasma rifles via either throwing out a ball of ionized gas held together by a magnetic field (the hard way) or by housing it within a solid shell that melts away / breaks open on impact could be a great weapon to deal with powered armor. Instead of trying to poke a hole in the plates, you try and cook the guy inside through direct thermal transfer and by overloading the suit's cooling systems.

So yes, the future really is going to be less bang bang and more pew pew. Bet you never saw this coming.

>>34259430
Never

It cools in air

>>34258498
Your eye has natural autofocus on whatever your swivelling eyeball is looking at, the camera requires you to move your neck around to autofocus a point (unless you add something complex and finnicky to track your pupil movements and calculate where to focus). The focusing is also slower. And finally, vision lag can be nauseating even if minimal if you're acting fast under adrenaline (situation that would arise for a soldier). Not to mention, to have porper depth perception you need two sensors and most likely you'll want thoses in the same place your face is so your fov isn't centered on your chest. Then they'd be as vulnerable as your face unless you gave them a tight slit or an armored visor (stuff that could protect your face just as well as the sensors)

>>34262055
>unless you add something complex and finnicky to track your pupil movements and calculate where to focus

This has been a thing for years now.

>>34262055
The camera can be made smaller than eyes or the necessary large cutout needed for a visor to work. A loss of some visual acuity is not such a huge problem, being able to see such fine detail as dust particles in the air is really not worth the trouble. Small cams in at least the 2k range with overlapping fields of view should be enough for clarity and some depth perception.

Ideally an array of cameras would be better to provide a panoramic display inside the helmet, thus providing the user with a better field of view than a conventional helmet. The specialized equipment for NV / thermal will still have to be a bulky set that is fixed facing forwards as usual. Placing cameras on the back of the head also allows for an increase in situational awareness beyond what is normally possible for a human; just put the video feeds above his main line of sight like a rear view mirror and compress the image as necessary.

>>34262065
Yes but it ads to the display lag. Remember you want it as short as possible to not induce headaches, most likely under 100 ms.
>>34262083
It's true cameras are smaller than the sapce for a visor but a loss of visual acuity makes you more vulnerable to camo. At short range it only makes you see dust particles but at longer range it means distinguishing a feature or not.
Thermal overlapping might solve this, but it's yet another system, yet more display lag and while it solves personel and vehicular camo, it doesn't help with camoufled ieds.

But I like the idea of placing cameras all around and training soldiers to see a quake-like 360 projection. Would probably fuck up aiming but it feels cool.

>>34261865
Self sustaining magnetic field combined with temperatures hot enough to subsist on atmospheric oxygen means you're wrong. Now, it won't go forever, but it'll go far enough.

>>34262098
A 360 projection was not my suggestion. It should be a normal unstretched image that represents what he would actually see. The compressed mirror image is for the rear and side views only since there isn't enough space to work with and is only there to provide T-Rex awareness of things moving behind the user.

Ideally some level of neural interface would be present for precise control over the cameras and the overlays, but for now we can settle on eye tracking software for focusing and tongue or voice commands to change between specialized views such as NV / thermal and managing various other elements of the HUD.

>>34262098
I don't see why the technology used in today's fighter pilot helmets couldn't be used by ground troops aside from cost.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ay6g66FbkmQ

Call me when longsword is standard issue again, where we can charge and kill hadjis without wasting precious ammo.

>>34262294
>millions of dollars in development
>integrated linkup to sensitive military communication networks
>give it to boots on the ground SOF
This is putting sensitive American military technology as close as possible into the hands of the enemy as you reasonably can without it actually being treason.

What's a SEAL or a ranger going to do when they get shot wearing this? Plant a thermite charge on his face? When he's dead?

Even so, all this display does is clutter your line of sight, and attempt to give you a better field of view of -what you should already be seeing-. If you need more situational awareness, I suggest you git gud instead of asking for a billion dollar helmet.