Machine Guns/Full Auto Firearms

>>34230003
Buy a registered drop in auto sear

Get an mp5sd or one of those 9mm F/A sbr m4s those plutonium shipment guards carried in the 80s and 90s

>>34230028
Looking at them on shit like Gunbroker I'm seeing between $150 and $300. So what, I can just buy a registered one and turn one of my ARs into a full-auto/burst-auto rifle, instead of buying an outright M16 lower?

>>34230037
Like the Colt 9mm SMGs?

>>34230046
If you buy one you can turn any of your ARs into full autos

>>34230046
A registered drop in auto sear is NOT fucking 300 bucks. They're like 22 thousand dollars.

>>34230065
How does registration work for that then? I mean I love that idea cause it saves TONS of money if I just get any old lower and make it full-auto, but what all do I have to do to put it in, etc? Drilling/cutting and all? I've built dozens and dozens of ARs for friends and myself, but never actually done anything like 80% lowers or drop in auto sears.

>>34230088
Then what I was seeing isn't what you're talking about. I don't have that much interest in doing a full auto AR platform right now as is. I'm more interested in pistol caliber machineguns.

>>34230003
Son, I've had more than my share of automatic fire, and really there's nothing to it.
Get yourself a weapon with some history, something involved in more than democrat antics.
The novelty of auto will wear off real quick, but the impact of history is lasting.

>>34230092
You can buy the FA parts legally BUT simply having the parts + an AR 15 is considered "constructive intent" and the ATF will shoot your puppers.

You have to drill an extra hole in the reciever and I think you have to mill out an extra space inside the reciever for it to fit.

>>34230003
Get you a 1911 and a remington 700, son. That's all you need.

t. gunstore loiterer

If you do buy a FA MP5 make some videos/pictures so I can nut.

>>34230136
Well yeah I've fired plenty of full sized machineguns on deployment. It's not really for accuracy purposes, I know that much. That's what I was looking more towards fun-guns and keeping them small. 9mm/.45 type guns. Unless I could get my hands on a 10mm MP5.

>>34230140
Roger. Then I might just avoid that for the time being.

>>34230151
Well I guess that's the idea. If you want any pictures of my Garands I can send those until I get the MP5.

>>34230167
I didn't realized you had served, son, and I didn't mean to imply you were ignorant, not at all.
It can be amusing to shoot one now and again, but it seems like the type of thing you'd use a few times, before it found its way to the back of your safe.

>>34230304
Fair enough then my man. I try to give all my firearms the love they deserve. From my pride and joy Garands to my tried and true Mosins. Shooting a FA might be expensive and somewhat of a novelty, but I'd still like to own at least one.

Sure democrat antics are annoying but I'm going to continue buying historical firearms as long as I can as well, before the rest dry up and disappear. CMP is a bleak place these days.

>>34230387
A Garand fan. Good man.

>>34230003
>"security" job
>$4k to $8K/mo.

...and then you woke up with splooge in your Spiderman underoos.

>>34230654
>he's never worked a federal security contract for $30+ an hour

Get on my level I guess.

Why not buy a transferable HK auto sear that has been registered for multiple guns?

People sell single sears that work for HK51s, MP5s, G3s, HK93s, etc...

>>34230654
4k a month isn't that much money. I make 5k a month.

>>34230793
Because I've been out of the loop and haven't heard shit about transferable auto sears?

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>>34230003
>paying me between $4000 and $8000 a month

>>34231795
>not making a decent amount of money

Move on retard

>>34232109
I'm laughing at the disparity between that average. there's quite a different between a million and half a million. also stop larping you fat neet.

>>34230654

you're a fuckin idiot, i make a little bit less than that and i just fuck around all day doing security at the docks by me

>>34232463
Ehh, I don't work security but my monthly pay varies by about that amount depending on the shifts I pull.

>>34230003
>here's no "ranges" out here that will let me shoot anything
Well in that case do what I did. Spend 50k on land that you can actually shoot on.

>>34230046
Try 36k fucktard

>>34232463
$4K being the average if I don't work any overtime, but most weeks I'm doing about 60 hours so uhhh, joke's on you I guess.

>>34234013
This.

>Just started making ~$60k a year
>HEY LET'S GO BLOW 1/10 OF MY ANNUAL PAY ON AN EXPENSIVE TOY
You will always be poor idiot.

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>>34234351
Machine guns aren't exactly going down in price.

>>34234382
Neither are they an "investment."

Wasting your money on toys like OP wants to shows serious lack of foresight and is hallmark of a petulant child.

He doesn't make that much money, probably isn't saving for his retirement or future, and can only think of buying something he cannot really afford.

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>>34234351
>1/10
>6k
That's about what you'd spend on a nice used car, retard. A MAC-10 can be had for 8,000, and 9mm is cheap. If you're making 60-80k a year that's not a big deal. As long as you save and are smart about when you buy it, IE not prioritizing a full auto over your kid's college fund, there's nothing wrong with it.

>>34234411
I guarantee you he's not taking home $60k a year.

Making ~$30/hr with a 40 hour work week gets him $65k/year before tax. So lets say this clown works a bit of overtime and gets it up to $75k before tax.

Federal income tax alone will take out roughly $15k from that. Payroll taxes will be another $5800. Lets assume he has modest health insurance that runs him $100/month, so that's another $1200 gone. I don't know what state income tax he pays, so we'll ignore that since I've rounded a few figures up by a hundred or two.

So basically this jackass is only taking home $53k. Now you say a MAC-10 can be had for $8k, so he's really wasting 15% of his annual take home pay on a toy. Only an idiot could justify that. Take in mind, I didn't have any 401(k) or IRA contributions, didn't take into account his rent or mortgage, or any other recurring expenses he may have like a car payment.

So once again, OP is a retarded faggot that will always be poor.

>>34230003
entertaining the idea that your story is true, and you want to into HK stamped guns, get a registered trigger pack and then get something like a ptr if you want a G-3 or an HK-53 or 32. The reason being that the HK stamped receivers dimple out over time because of the bolt carrier hitting the rear and the inertia of the bolt applying outward force to the receiver. If you got a factory full auto MP-5 with the pinhole trigger group, then the receiver, the part that needs to be replaced after a total of 50,000 rounds, is gonna be FUCKED when the day finally comes that the bolt starts locking because the rollers go out into the sides at the rear of the receiver. A registered trigger pack, however, can move from host to host like the borg, AND can allow you to effectively have MANY HK machineguns if you desire to have say... an MP-5, a no shit G-3 etc.

>>34234506
Who cares? A 20k machine gun is alot more fun than looking at 20k on a computer screen. And if he's young and single 20k out of 60k this year and 60k the next year and the next year and the next year and the next year and the next year isnt really that much if its something you love. Go to biz. Also talk to the guy that bought 10 FA aks in 85.

>>34234563
>Who cares about wasting money in your youth when you should be saving since the compound interest will be that much more effective.
>Who cares that OP isn't making that much money and should be saving for something like a home or investment properties. You know, hard assets that are unlikely to either depreciate or become outlawed with a pen stroke.
Blowing money on expensive toys is fine once you're established and financially secure. It's not okay when you're just starting a job and could be fired tomorrow.

>>34234579
I've been on this planet for 30 years. I've seen stocks, homes and gold crash. Machine guns have always become more expensive.
>and could be fired tomorrow.
What makes you think he's going to get fired? And 60k for a single dude is pretty secure.

>>34230046
>>34230046
you need to consult a dealer in your area about what you're allowed to have, not all states allow NFA items..

anything full-auto that wasnt on the NFA machinegun registry prior to May of 1986 isnt transferrable to you unless you're an FFL dealer with the SOT stamp to deal in NFA items.

A registeted Fleming Auto sear for an Mp5, Mp5k, HK94/93, G3, Sp89, Sp5k, WROLBBGWTF 9000, is going to run you $40k.

>>34234604
>Thinks he's hot shit because he's 30
>Seriously thinks of machine guns as a valid investment.
They're illiquid, highly regulated, and could be out right banned. They're a terrible asset to hold.

>>34230003
my income is also on the upper end of that range and i don't do stupid shit like this. i don't recommend it. open a retirement account.

>>34230136
ian, i didn't know you were a tripfag. why? WHYYYYYYYYYY

>>34230003
I wanna know where the fuck I get a security job that pays that well, where I live security jobs consist of basically being a fucking mall cop

>>34234650
>Thinks he's hot shit because he's 30
And is worth around 1M :) but I dont own a machine gun :(
>>34234767
blackwater

>>34234506
Guess how much money you take with you when you die?

15% of income is nothing, properly budgeted.

Money in the bank won't give you experiences and being "rich" is meaningless if all you do is push your richness further.

>>34234852
>15% of ANNUAL income is nothing
Look at this idiot. Trying to justify buying expensive useless shit he cannot really afford because he'll die someday.

Again, just like a child.

>>34234883
Yes, it is quite literally nothing at 75k.

Even with a house, 401k, and car, and savings you should be left with that as play/invest money per month MINIMUM.

If you don't have 15% spending money per month at 60-70k a year you have seriously fucked up somewhere.

>>34234923
>He really cannot see how blowing more than 15% of your annual take home pay(it easily comes to more than 20% if he's contributing $5500 to an IRA and 10% to his 401(k))on ONE toy is a waste of money and very irresponsible.

>>34234964
>he seriously does not have 15% of his income on blow money, after savings and 401k

Straight up, you fucked up somewhere.

>>34235001
Let me rephrase, you fucked up somewhere or you are making sub 50k a year.

Because I make sub 50k a year, and after the above I only have about 5% a year on play money (125 or so a month) after the above.

>>34235001
Having it and doing it are two entirely different things.

>>34234399
t. nomachinegunz

>>34235025
>getting pissed how people spend their play money.

Never mind, you understand that he can have burn money with that budget, yet you are upset he actually uses it.

You are simply a faggot.

>>34235024
If you're not maxing out your $18k/year limit on your 401(k) and maxing out your $5500 on your Roth IRA you're doing it wrong.

>>34235062
False. A person making min wage should not be doing it. It's all about budget.

I do, because I can (and my company matches which makes it easy).

If you make 60-70k a year you can easily do this and have well over 15% left over.

If you don't, you seriously fucked up.

>>34235081
>15% disposable income means spending all of it for the year at once.

>>34235105
There is zero logical reason why not. It's not savings. It's not investment.

You lose NOTHING by spending it.

>>34230003
$4-8k net or gross?

If net: wow, what kind of lower middle class "the dirty kid from the rental house in the nice neighborhood" are you.

You need to learn to save and invest.

>>34235129
>God forbid an unexpected cost occurs and I've already sunk $8k into a toy.
You're very irresponsible and will always be poor. You can lie to yourself, but you don't need to lie to me.

>>34230140

> being this ignorant

The RDIAS is the machine gun.

You could own an RDIAS and 20,000 regular AR15s, but the link is the machine gun

>>34235154
>unexpected cost

Is savings, you tard.

Spending money is for spending.

Oh wait...

>he relies on his spending money on unexpected costs

You have grievously, seriously fucked up somewhere.

Unfuck yourself.

>>34235171
>He budgets between "savings" and "spending" money like a retard.
I bet you even do that whole plebish colored envelope game.

>>34230046
lol a registered AUTO SEAR is literally the most valuable piece of metal on the planet, based on cost per ounce

>>34235181

OK, one of two things is happening...
>You consider superfluous things like electronics, guns (beyond SD), computers, as needed, budgeted items

Or

>he has no spending money at all

Either way you have seriously fucked up, or have fucked up prioritys.

>>34230882
What a cunt

>>34230136
>Get yourself a weapon with some history,
More and more these days, that's going to include full auto.

>>34230003
How did you score such a gravy security gig? Are you ex military?

ITT: sour grapes.

Fuck these jealous gags OP. If you want a machine gun then start saving today cause it's gonna take you 6 months to a year to save up the cash. Start browsing subguns.com and sturmgewher.com and that'll give you a general idea of where the market is at. See if the SAR show rolls through your neck of the woods. Good luck on the search and have cash ready to pull the trigger when you find a deal because good local deals will pop up once in a blue moon.

The wait times right now are excruciating. I keep reading stories of people waiting a whole fucking year to get their stamp. Makes you wonder what could be done if the ATF didn't have its head up its giant collective ass at all times.

>>34230304

Kill yourself faggot.

Your pseudo old guy Foghorn Leghorn gimmick is gay as fuck.

The only thing worse than a NEET pretending to be an old guy on 4 chan is an actual old guy on 4 chan

>>34230691

HAHAHAHAH YOU DID MEAN GROSS INCOME

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>>34238434
Hey!

>>34238454

KIRR
YURRSEHRF

>>34236325

LEMAO.

Nigga I make $137k/yr before taxes, and I can barely bring myself to order my MDR tonight

>>34238491
This isn't the role-playing thread.

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>>34234506
>So basically this jackass is only taking home $53k.

Live in a cucked state, have to pay into a pension I will never see as it is completely insolvent from having money siphoned to pay for state budget via schemes (like borrowing against perceived returns during the dot com boom....), insurance which I have to take and pay a portion of which has a huge % cost on us, home prices averaging 300k USD and taxes on homes of around 3% a year.....

41.5k out of 67k take home....fuck me

>>34238491
You can barely bring yourself to order that appalling monstrosity because it's an AR built by somebody whose seen Starship Troopers one too many times. You really make 137k per year? Do yourself a favor and buy a POF AR.

>>34234399
"You're not allowed allowed to purchase something expensive with your money because I say so"

Fuck off retard

>>34234121
still doesn't make sense

Alright so I guess to clarify for the naysayers.

I have my own house that I own, a sedan fully paid for and covered, a truck paid for and covered, TRICARE health insurance, and a pension from the DOD due to a permanent injury. I'm not worried about putting much of my current income from this job into savings as I already get monthly stipends for savings.

I'm not blowing literally all of my money on guns, but I'm looking for something to play with, yes. I didn't come here for a bunch of raging autists to tell me how to spend my money, lul. I'm mid twenties, so yes, call me a petulant child.

subguns.com, sturmgewher.com. Figure out what you want and buy it. Be prepared for a long wait.

>>34238682

Lel. Ask me any question about medicine you want to, nerd.

>>34238934

>POF

Jesus Christ.

Do you have a KCCO sticker on the back window of your dodge?

>>34242157
In what situations would you suggest gabapentin over ambien. Go!

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>>34230003
Transferable M16, then use the lower to rebuild it into all kinds of fun things, like a 9mm SMG

A Lightning Link would be cheaper, but modern AR15s won't work with them without modifying and replacing parts. They'll drop straight into an SP1 (pic related) and work flawlessly.

>>34230793
They cost even more than AR sears.

>>34234399
>projecting poorfag

>>34242157
>Lel. Ask me any question about medicine you want to, nerd.
Why haven't you taken yours?

Loot at places like rock island auction house, they sometimes have cheaper full autos. Go with shit that is unpopular. A Chauchat is a machine gun but due to its ba reputation they can be had for like 6K. Probably the most accessible machine gun is the Mac-10 or Mac-11 that can be had from like 6-10K. Old obscure SMGs are also somewhat cheap. Get an American 180 for full fun mode of you can, they look fun as hell.

>>34230882
I was about say, if this is gross income, that really aint much man. Put that shit in your 401k and do a roth IRA, if you make below 100k you can put money in both. See if your employer matches

>>34239662
/thread

>>34244850
RIP me

>>34242405

In the situation where I'm not a stupid faggot.

If Ambien is a no go. Trazodone. If traz doesn't work, crank the dose.

Still not working?
Kill the patient

>>34239662
> proud of being a welfare queen
Human Garbage

>>34230003
BUMPFIRE
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>>34245508
Nice opinion.

>>34245001
Thanks bub.

>>34245512
It's a bigger meme than full-auto though.

>>34244880
Thanks for the heads up on that site, some of the unpopular stuff looks fun as hell.

>>34243896
That being said if I wanted to go full retard, would I be able to use that lower with something like a .458 SOCOM upper to make a full auto retard-gun? If making it into a 9mm works, etc.

>>34239322
k

>>34234506
(You)

>>34234579
(Y-O-U)

>>34234638
I live in a rather FREE state and own a couple of NFA items already.

>>34245719
>bigger meme than full auto
>does the exact same thing
>for thousands less
you're retarded and deserve to lose money

Wtf is an auto sear and how can it possibly be so expensive

>>34245745
>he's never fired a full auto firearm before
Please, tell me more why bumpfire, simulating full-auto, is full-auto. If I deserve to lose money, I'm glad I make more than you do.

>>34245508
And before anyone runs at the mouth I'm a Sandwich Engineer at Wendies pulling a cool 300k a year. All you low IQ/EQ welfare queens make me sick.

>>34246056
Nice on-topic discussion. Do you feel validated yet?

>>34230882
5k a month isn't that much money. I make 6k a month.

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>>34245719
Yes, you could put a .458 SOCOM upper on an M16 lower. Hold on tight.

>>34245745
>does the exact same thing
Nope.

I'm not saying a 9mm SBR with a bumpstock wouldn't be a lot of fun, but a real Colt SMG would just be way better.

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>>34245788
The sear group is what controls the hammer on a self-loading weapon, how the sear is designed determines if the hammer stays cocked if you still hold the trigger down, when the action has cycled and is ready to fire, or if the hammer will immediately drop and continue firing, doing so each time, so, full auto.

Any gun that can fire full-auto must be registered as a machinegun to be legal in the US (alternatively, a drop-in auto-sear or conversion part/kit would itself be the registered machinegun), and in 1986 a rider was snuck onto a strong pro-gun bill in an attempt to kill it, and didn't. The bill passed. The rider stipulated that civilians could no longer register new machineguns, so called, fully transferable machineguns.

Existing transferables remained legal to own and transfer, but as the supply of them was now artificially limited by law, their price skyrockets.

A Colt AR15 professionally converted to be a select-fire rifle would have a value somewhere around $1000 in 1985 adjusted for inflation, but since you can't just register and convert another one as a regular private person, that same select-fire rifle is now worth $20000 to $30000+ in todays market.
Likewise, a registered Lightning-Link (a part which can be placed in old Colt SP1 AR15s to make them fire full-auto), which is two pieces of stamped steel, pic related, worth maybe about 50cent in material and work, and the $200 for registering it as a machinegun, but is today worth $9000 at the very lowest, and wont even work in current AR15 rifles without substantial gunsmith work and parts replacement (though it can certainly be done). A rifle with a Lightning-Link inserted will fire full-auto and full-auto only, until you open the gun and remove it.

A full-auto H&K sear can be used to convert any old semi-auto MP5, G3 or HK33 rifle to full-auto, these can go for many times more easy, even if modern semi-auto G3 and MP5 clones won't readily accept them.

>>34246335
So what makes a full-auto sear so valuable is that it is registered and legal, if you make an unregistered auto-sear, or steal one, it has no market value, because nobody will buy it, certainly not at the artificial values of a properly registered one.

If the registry was opened again, or if the National Firearms Act was somehow abolished, machineguns would plummet in market value, only being worth their actual material, work and historical value.

>>34246111
$6K a month isn't that much money. I make $7K a month.

>>34246525
I make $8k/m

>>34246691
i make 8.5k/m

>>34246691
>>34246705
I really want to km/s

>>34234563
Anon I...
You dont have to repurchase the weapon every year. Theres a tax stamp, but youre not paying the entire purchase price annually...

>>34242157
You sound like the shooter that would show to the range in tacti-fag apparel. Did Uncle Rick give you your retarded camo pants or did you buy those on sale from Bass Pro Shops?

>>34246811
No shit. You make 60k this year and the next 9 years. 20k and tens years of fun seems small against 600k on a computer screen. And yes, I have a NFA trust and know how it works.

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>>34235201
This watch costs 1.4 million dollars.

>>34245719

> defends being on welfare

> muh FREE state

>>34246691

That's not that much money. I make 9k a month.

>>34249486
I make $10k/m though.

>>34249700

I make ~$3,500 every 2 weeks AFTER taxes

>>34249454
>people who were permanently injured from Wartime starting in 2003-current year are Welfare Queens

I'm sorry that you're not among those of us who didn't do all that much yet are pretty much universally loved in the USA. I'm not even OP but god damn there's such a vocal minority of autists like you who are pussyhurt that people served when you didn't lmao. Sorry you're an asthmatic that couldn't get waived in.