LOCKHEED: HYPERSONICS "MATURE" - AURORA BASICALLY CONFIRMED

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>>34223946
>lockheed-confirms-secretive-sr-72-hypersonic-plane-will-be-made
>lockheed confirms
>secretive
>will be made

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>>34223954
where is this from? I know the sighting but not this picture

>>34223946
Super-duper-sonic when?

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>>34224029
Didn't you watch that "gen 6" commercial northrop made?

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>>34224020
I think it's a Michael Schratt artwork

>tfw F-35 costs so much and keeps getting delayed so they can skim funds for these black projects
>tinfoil feels nice when you get used to it

>>34223946
inb4 50cent shows up to post some bullshit paper machete chink plane already capable of hypersonic flight and trash murica

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>>34224493
can confirm

>>34224034
Northop's fighter business is done, senpai.

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>>34224531
THE CHINESE IS GOD NIGGA

>>34223946
What niche does a plane like the SR-"72" fill?

The SR-71 was designed in an era that didn't have reliable spy satellites.
Ultra-highspeed surveillance aircraft are useful when you have no other means of getting data from enemy airspace.
But now we have satellites that can do that easily.

Why bother with manned aircraft?

>>34226103
Angled views of something is very useful.

>>34226132
You can get that via satellite as well, or at least as much as you can get from an aircraft flying in nearspace anyways.

>>34224044

> super-high tech bomb delivery system using a Wile E. Coyote style spring

Goddamnit.

Anyway, hypersonic is retarded. Anything moving like that is going to glow like a white hot poker. If the Chinks can build anti-satellite missiles, they can build a missile to hit a hypersonic aircraft. That's why we retired the SR71.

>>34226162
>That's why we retired the SR71.
And also, you know, satellites
Shit was designed for the needs of the fucking 50s.

>>34226103
Not that I am an expert on such matters but;

"Spy" satellites are extremely predictable and not on station for long periods. They're too expensive to have extended coverage over areas, and satellites are easily tracked, giving whoever you're spying on known windows to operate within.

>>34226103

The only advantage aircraft have over satellites is unpredictability. Satellites travel on orbits that you can set your watch by. Sure, you can change the orbit. But that burns fuel and a satellite only carries so much of the stuff.

An aircraft can show up and surprise the shit out of everyone. Of course, anybody who has anything worth spying on also probably has missiles that can turn said aircraft into scrap.

>>34226181
>satellites are easily tracked, giving whoever you're spying on known windows to operate within.
Not true.

NRO launched the largest satellite ever a few years back and no one knows what it is or where it is

Space, as they say, is very big.

>>34226193
If you have radar that can spot satellites, you have radar that can spot spy aircraft

Satellites are faster, smaller, and operate over a greater volume.
Much harder to detect.
If you can spot them, you can spot aircraft being launched from known locations.

>>34226201
>>NRO launched the largest satellite ever a few years back and no one knows what it is or where it is
bullshit, there are hundreds of organizations that track new spy satellites and create TLEs for them. they have orbital parameters within 2-3 days of launch.

>>34226201
>no one knows what it is or where it is

Publicly.

If you're looking to be a sneaky shit, would you tell your opponent that you know where their satellites are / focus on, or would you keep quiet about that so they continue in blissful ignorance, thinking they're tracking your every move?

>>34226212
Well what is MENTOR-7's orbital parameters then?
If it's so ridiculously simple, even amateur astronomers should be able to do it

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>>34226237
>>Well what is MENTOR-7's orbital parameters then?
sattrackcam.blogspot.com/2016/06/mentor-7-nrol-37-payload-found.html

>If it's so ridiculously simple, even amateur astronomers should be able to do it
they do.

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>>34226253
Wrecked

>>34226103
Spy sats are of known trajectory, and therefore their coverage predictable (inb4 muh secrets, if you have search radars that can see MIRVs you can find sats). So whenever you want to do something sneaky, you do it with no sats overhead. You can, in fact, hide an entire CBG from sat observation if you know what you're doing. Also, sats are fairly easy to knock out thanks to the same predictability. What a M3/M6 spycraft gives you is adjustable observation fields (whoch can be used to seal the holes in sat observation), and near impunity to interception- the only ones to have intercepted a 71 were the Swedes, who knew when and where it would be, once slowed down. The 72, assuming proper mission planning to avoid hypersanic long range SAMs, would actually be invulnerable to interception by anything short of a BMD missile.

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>>34226201

>>34226582
Normie-tier meme, you should be ashamed.
Not wrong tho.

>>34227352
>normie
Fuck off normalfag.

>>34226103
>The SR-72 hypersonic plane will be a strike and reconnaissance aircraft that tops Mach 6.
>strike and recon

>>34223946
i wonder if the people in the future would be upset when they learn usa had technology to go back and forward to mars way back in the 70's and 80's with in hours

>>34227779
You mean Project Orion?

IMO, China/Russia/America should get together and get it going again
Totally feasible

Satellites: Space recon
SR-71: High altitude
SR-72: Terrain following mach 6 spyplane
It's obvious

>>34227854
>Terrain following mach 6
>blows out every eardrum along its flight path
>"Dude, I think we just got scouted."
>"...WHAT..."

>>34227790
>>34227779
no i was watching some weired area 51 documentry some guy had a friend on the inside the documentry was really old like the 80's or 90's the man said they got stuff you see in star wars or star trek they already been in mars and what not and the technology the militery have are all old hat tech kind of makes sense if you had unlimited resourses and the birghtest minds you could just about make any thing i was reading how the cia made silent running helicopters all the way back in the 50's in 3 months and we still don't have that so makes me wonder what else they got

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>>34227888

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>>34226237
>Well what is MENTOR-7's orbital parameters then?
Is that a serious question?

Int'l Code: 2016-036A
Perigee: 35,584.7 km
Apogee: 36,081.9 km
Inclination: 7.4 °
Period: 1,438.1 minutes
Semi major axis: 42204 km
Launch date: June 11, 2016
Source: United States (US)
Launch site: AIR FORCE EASTERN TEST RANGE (AFETR)

>>34227888
Your lack of grammar and punctuation makes me think you are a schizophrenic.

>>34226211
Have fun trying to relay the news about incoming spy plane to whatever you want to hide in time.

>>34227901
>>34228005
50 cents have been deposited to your account

fuckin gobment shrills

>>34228687
Schizophrenia confirmed.

>>34223954
>kc-135 refueling both F-111s and super duper plane Aurora
Highly doubt this scenario. SR-71 had to use a fuel specifically made for it and KC-135s had to be fitted to offload it, so doubt F-111s and Aurora would have same type of fuel

>>34227854
I can't imagine the pain of the negative G's as it crosses over a cliff at Mach 6 and the system commands a pitch down

>>34229251
>what is an escort
if the thing is unmanned it's pretty obvious that you're going to want at least one plane nearby to function as a command relay for testing, and at least one plane to bomb it to oblivion if it crashes.

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>>34226103
The SR-72 will fly like 130 miles closer to the ground then a satellite, you can get far better imagery off a plane then you could with a satellite.

>>34223954
>>34224020
Testimony from a fucking oil rig worker?
Righto

And
>two variable-sweep wing aircraft
>one that looks the same as the other two but with swept wings

Isn't it likely that there were three F-111 but one of them had a wing malfunction that kept the wings swept?

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>>34229463
>Gibson, who had been in the Royal Observer Corps' trophy-winning international aircraft recognition team since 1980, was unable to identify the aircraft. He dismissed suggestions that the aircraft was an F-117, Mirage IV or fully swept wing F-111.[9

>>34229528
People make mistakes

It's far more likely that the third craft was another F-111 rather than a top secret super plane that has never had any leaks about

>>34229251
what a dumbass

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>>34229549
There has billions spent every year for decades on secret aerospace tech. It's not unfathomable to think that something like it exists. We know very little of what has ever gone on at Area 51. The only known projects to come out of there are: U-2, SR-71, Have Blue/F-117, Tacit Blue, Bird of Prey, RQ-170, probably some testing for F-22, B-2 etc and Red Hats foreign tech evaluation (SU-27, Mig-21, S-300 etc.)

This timeline shows numerous classified programs going back to the 80s. There is another one that shows classified programs going back to the 60s. This is just Lockheed alone.

Have Blue & F-117 were kept secret including operational service for over 10 years. Life in prison is a good deterrent to stop leakers.

>>34230905
I'm mil, and at the secret level, there's a lot of aerospace related programs that require you to be read into for things that are nowhere on the internet and you are really surprised they exist. With how many people are read into these programs you would think there would be a leak somewhere but there isn't. I can't even imagine what is at the top secret level but I assume a lot of aerospace in there but I'm guessing probably more HUMINT related things for the safety of those involved and to keep reliable sources giving us info. I'm guessing some of the TS aerospace projects are /k/'s wet dream

>>34226103
>What niche does a plane like the SR-"72" fill?

Timely imagery.

It may take longer to position satellites than it does to simply fly over a target.

>>34226162
>That's why we retired the SR71.

We retired the SR-71 because it's probably been replaced with a more efficient, or faster, system.

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>>34224044
are those spring loaded things for heat-resistant panels that it drops and replaces or what?

>>34231408
would lower the temperature of it's "skin" and make some interesting chaff

>>34227878
What's the latest on sonic boom reducing technology? Maybe that could bve part of the black project.

>>34231153
unacknowledged SAPs are where the real juicy stuff is. pretty much the most secret stuff in the entire government/military.

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>>34230905
>>34230905
>Bird of Prey
Seems legit.

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>>34231478
Not exactly feasible for combat aircraft. Quiet supersonic flight means that you're designing the plane so that as few shockwaves as possible intersect before they hit the ground. What that means is you get a very long, slender aircraft that's designed specifically for a very narrow flight condition:
>constant altitude
>constant mach number (usually low subsonic)
>constant weight
>constant lift coefficient
And anything off this will have significantly louder sonic booms than the design condition - possibly even more than a normal aircraft.

Even ignoring the general incompatibility with stealth that quiet supersonic concepts seem to demonstrate, they've got such a narrow practical flight regime that they're not likely to be useful for combat operations.

>>34231482
Yeah that's what I meant for secret level. Getting read into various programs just made me think "how the fuck is none of this on the internet at all?" because you would think there would be some leaks. So idk what can be at the TS level when SAP is at secret.

>>34231482
>>34231714
What is SAP an acronym for?

>>34231714
And to add onto that, at Randolph IFF in their secret/no foreign "vault" (room) I just saw all the Russian systems as ultimate and had the mentality that "they're stuff is better but at least we outnumber them" but being where I am now I have full confidence in killing any Flanker out there, but it is still a threat that shouldn't be scoffed..
>>34231745
Special Access Programs

The USAF has some tricks up their sleeves and I'll leave it at that.

>>34226216
There have been ways to hide satellites from Geo imagery for least 40 years now look up the Misty satellites that caused an uproar in the Senate committee that was acting as oversight to the budget for said satellites but was denied any knowledge of their existence or capability I believe the article is from around 1992 or 1993 and has been uploaded to the internet from its original printing on the source would page that initially reported the story. Further I would advise you take a look at the video on YouTube titled project Golden Dragon it goes off the rails at times however the Creator does a insane amount of research concerning the tracking of a satellite that was supposedly terminated and put into a completely different orbit than what was determined by not only land-based observers but the government's tracking systems. This was a project that was developed by a precursor agency prior to the formation of the nro. Filter out all the crazy mythical stuff that he talks about and just pay attention to the apogee distance and time line that he meticulously paints with a ass load of sources to demonstrate that things quite simply do not add up and terms of just this single satellite let alone the thousands of other satellites that have been launched around this time and have been continued to be launched ever since then by the agencies that have followed. Is also a very peculiar satellite that you can read up on that is rumored to act as the Drone control system for Global Hawks and predators but no one will take responsibility for its launch, development or use.

>>34230905
Red team is actively known to operate outside and from what we call Area 51 they have a ton of patches, pins, and rings to commemorate this. If I remember correctly their motto is doing more with less and blue team ain't shit.

>>34231774
>>34231714
Did they tell you what the punishment would be if you ever talked?

>>34224493
>wait until China and Russia are fully committed to their f-35 killers
>suddenly the DOD announces that the multi-role plane was a massive ruse
>the money actually went to several different specialized aircraft
>the naval F-22 is back
>an unmanned A-10 replacement for affordable kebab removal
>a specialized SEAD plane
>cheap(er than a B-2) stealth bomber replacement
>and a fucking hypersonic recon plane
>This is all announced in a speech by Trump, complete with the shit-eating grin and the words "we have the best planes, don't we folks?"
>The Chinese collectively stroke out trying to figure out how they're going to reverse engineer so much
>Russia desperately starts working to sober up get the s-500 finished
>The F-35 gets used for a single strike mission on ISIS just to prove it actually works
>Bring them out to intercept the odd Russian or Chinese airspace intrusion for shits and giggles
Where were you when the DoD BTFO literally everybody?

>>34231940
Not him but as far as I'm aware in that type of situation it is literally treason.

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>>34231953
I WANT TO BELIEVE
>DoD's face when

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>>34231953
As an aerospace welder and assembler, I can tell you ur little fan theory is bullshit.

Sure some of the f35s budget was probably used for black projects; but the f35 was made for an important role.

The F22 is never coming back due to tooling limitations.
Most of the tooling is either broken, lost, or was scrapped.
I use the last f119 Augliner tool and it's a pile of shit.
On top of that, the f22 is the most useless jet ever made.
It's only combat was dropping a few bombs on sand people.

>>34231229
Not him but I laughed IRL at this.

Where the fuck you launching your plane from? Hypersonic in atmosphere doesn't come fucking close to an orbital period.

>>34231478
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Busemann%27s_Biplane

>>34232387
It can take up to 24 hours to get a satellite into position.

>>34226162

To hit a hypersonic aircraft, you need a hypersonic missile. At low altitude, this is difficult.

I'm less interested in the warfare capabilities of this and more interested in seeing the military develop a spaceplane from it.

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>>34224034
Isn't that a screenshot from STEALTH

>>34232387
>Hypersonic in atmosphere doesn't come fucking close to an orbital period.

You can forward stage an SR-71 and get it anywhere in the world faster than you can move a satellite, which is exactly why they stayed in service so long, you dumb motherfucker.

>>34223946

I hope this means that the F-35's inflated budget was because it was paying for several airframes and not one.

>>34226103

For when Nork shitcans the entire satellite system by sending a cylinder full of gravel into spess. Redundency is good to have.

>>34231984
not quite treason, definitely life in prison though.

>>34232910
>spess

>>34232477
>>34232717
>up to 24 hours
Up to. This is not the minimum time, this is the maximum time, and while we're at it the intercept capability is basically fucking zero and on top of that satellites can be stacked to pass coverage over and over. Give me 24 hours and I can have an area under surveillance for a week.

Constant surveillance. Let's see a SAM-dodging SR-71 do that.

Secondly if I'm within ±5° inclination I can fly over within the hour.

I love the SR-71, I do, but it cannot match the capability of a satellite network. The best you can hope for is those "I need it now" moments and image detail, and even then, it isn't going to be super incredible.

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>>34223946
>hypersonic technologies, including a combined cycle propulsion system that blends a rocket engine and a supersonic jet engine, are sufficiently advanced to allow the planned SR-72 project to begin.
Intredasting, if they actually have mature technology for air-breathing hybrid rocket engines, they could be creating a SSTO spaceplane instead of a fucking useless recon plane. I guess Boeing and Lockheed share some of that secret tech since XS-1 is a thing.

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>>34223946
>this will never be declassified
why even live?

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>>34231519
That was tested on the F-4 back in the 60s
http://aviationarchives.blogspot.com/2016/09/f-4-phantom-ii-compass-ghost-lights.html

>>34233747
It was also used in WWII

>>34227888
Run on sentences are painful to read I'll tell you what it's like screeching fucking nails on a chalk board and if you do it again I just might stab you in the face with a soldering iron I mean it's not like you even made 2 actual points in that paragraph of shit you wrote about conspiracy inside man shit makes me wonder is this real life

>>34232987
Forgive me if this is dumb, but I always thought manned reconnaissance planes like this were for redundancy more than anything else. Obviously satellites are the most convenient, but they are also vulnerable to anti satellite missiles. Hypersonic recon plane could augment satellite reconnaissance to provide redundant and constant corroborated intelligence that's much harder to kill because of the multiple methods being employed.

>>34232910
Do you not know how space works?

>>34233012
I thought this was sort of obvious, honestly. I mean, spy plane or no I think it's more of a proof of concept for future hypersonic/ssto vehicles of real tangable worth

>>34231953
This is the same DoD that:
- Turned a successful unconventional campaign using CIA, SOF, and local forces to destroy our enemies in Afghanistan into an inefficient, ineffective, and unwinnable conventional clusterfuck of a campaign.
- Decided to conduct a conventional invasion of Iraq while choosing to ignore the conventional minimum force requirements to do so.
- Decided to force their service arms to mandate the acceptance of faggotry and tranny degenerates.
- Decided to force their service arms to open all branches to females despite the fact that every study ever done on the subject has clearly demonstrated that females lower standards and put men, and the mission, at risk.

Our federal government is a joke, dude, ESPECIALLY the fucking DoD.

>>34224493
>costs so much
>F-35A $92mil/ea before even getting out of LRIP
You do realize the huge $1Tril tag includes everything down to the Christmas bonuses for the E2 that checks the blinker fluid out to 2040 right

>>34232987
>"I need it now" moments and image detail, and even then, it isn't going to be super incredible.

Those "I need it now" moments are exactly why the U-2, SR-71, whatever the fuck they replaced the SR-71 with, and drones all exist and are in service today.

Daily reminder that MARAUDER existed and the moment they realized it worked every trace of info disappeared in '95. The only reason we know it existed at all was because it wasn't classified that much at first.

>>34229549
Yea, it could have been a training exercise to refuel F-111s in both wing modes.

>>34226103
Government funding that's why.

>>34236101
What's MARAUDER?

>>34236302
Plasma gun. According to this story, it was actually used in the Iraq invasion.
http://www.rense.com/general40/secret.htm

>>34236302
>>34236347
Shits even got a Wikipedia page.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MARAUDER

>>34236302
Supposedly it was a vestige of SDI and intended to be used in orbit. The Wikipedia article claims it was put on the backburner and classified when they couldn't get it to work well at orbital distances, but the plasma projectile itself had ridiculous properties such as ungodly velocity, huge kinetic effects and an EMP on impact.

I want to believe.

>>34236347

No. It wasn't.

No such device was ever mounted on a tank and used in Iraq.

>>34236347
>>34236380
>>34236398
>>34236476
Pretty spooky. The Iraq story seems pretty far fetched, especially since the single living witness claimed that 500+ people were killed in the middle of Baghdad and yet no one else reported anything. Still though, it seems highly likely that this thing would be improved over the last 25 years. No doubt they're trying to figure out how to get it into space or onnaship

>>34235884
There have been enough proof of concepts for hypersonic vehicles. I don't know, seems like a pointless waste of resources to design a spyplane at this point? Especially so if they actually have the technology they claim to have.

DARPA XS-1 has the right idea, but even it won't be SSTO. Just a rapidly reusable spaceplane acting as the first stage. Curiously Lockheed Martin wasn't even among the companies DARPA chose to design XS-1 demonstration vehicles.

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>>34236347
>rense

>>34227888
Approximately how high are you?

>>34236101

It looks like their biggest mistake was just having it go dark. Instead, they should have made up some big "failures" and said, "well, gee, it seemed promising but then it went to shit, so we canned it."

>>34233015

The Flying Dorito will always live on in our hearts.

>>34226382
>There is no way, I swear no way possiblet o make a stealth satellite!

Yeah okay... that idea is very dated.

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>>34239094
Oh you can make stealth satellites all right. You just can't launch them stealthily. Or have them orbit Earth. Or communicate down to it.

>>34235844
He's talking about the Kessler effect.

>>34232968
>summer

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>>34223946
>barron detected

>>34239241
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misty_(satellite)

>uses reddit reaction images
>is factually wrong

It all checks out.

>>34223946
in all seriousness though i wonder how it will discharge static buildup?

>>34239359
That aircraft will get hot. I have my doubts it will have any polymer composite external parts. The radar cones will be made of glass ceramics most likely (microwaves can't see glass, so it's good stuff for that)

Granted there will be unforeseen issues, however I think they will be primarily all about handling the heat accumulation.

>>34239356
Public launches and the satellites themselves are trackable even by amateur astronomers.

Thanks for proving my point.

>>34238404
>"well, gee, it seemed promising but then it went to shit, so we canned it."

That is precisely what those companies will Never say in public. Not Ever.

>>34235795
No, that's a perfectly valid reason to keep them in service. Thing is though, redundancy is often the weakest reason for any system to exist if it's got a particularly hefty operational and replacement cost. In service they do augment satellites, but their capabilities are far surpassed by orbital vehicles.

>>34236048
Not entirely. Drones exist because clouds and storms exist and they can also provide indefinite 24-hour surveillance of an area with really awesome image detail. Another thing drones can do is actively paint targets and their observational capabilities come with a whole spectrum of methods in one package, usually a camera complex mounted in a ball-like turret. UCAVs can also strike at targets, if necessary, and these are all things that satellites have difficulty doing.

U-2s and SR-71s and this new thing are different in that they're fast, able to get something ASAP, and then fuck off. (within reason) Drones are slow, bumbling along and quite vulnerable.

>>34239263
>Kessler effect

That would be a tremendously lucky deployment of a weapon. It would also only be effective for as long as it goes on. It's not something that automatically kills all satellites in a given orbit. Your just talking about drastically increasing the chances of a collision with every successive collision. Not rocks in space=iron age humanity

>>34239476
X-37B.

Can put anything in orbit during its year plus flight time.

>>34243882
>Can put anything in orbit THAT'S SMALLER THAN THE SIZE OF A FRIDGE during its year plus flight time
ftfy

>>34244615
Uhhh, yes, the sat can't be huge or else that would kind of defeat its clandestine purpose wouldn't it, brainlet?

>>34223946
Hi Madfag!

Aurora wasn't confirmed years ago? It feels like we've been hearing about it since the early 00's

>>34226103
Ever since we started defunding NASA and manned space crafts those funds, resources and research need to go into something besides the private sector. I'm sure a lot of new propulsion tech is being tested in the things.

>>34232910
Those fuckers could actually do it and lower the bar for the rest of humanity until we fund the real-life version of the Planetes crew.

>>34239263

>Kessler Effect

It's Kessler Syndrome.

And you'd need a lot more than a barrel of gravel to give Earth Kessler Syndrome.

>>34245527
>>34223946
I knew my deja vu wasn't playing tricks on me

>>34226103
It's not a spy plane, it's a space worthy fighter craft.

>>34243882
Sure, the X-37B had a tiny payload bay and more delta-v for orbital changes than usual LV upper stages or satellites. It was still easily trackable - still no stealth satellites.

This is getting retarded, how long will you keep going?