What is the best service rifle in use and why is it the rk95?

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>>34222962
it's a fine rifle, but out of all the RK rifles alone, only a tiny fraction are RK95s. And they are quickly "running out" thanks to constant wear and tear, which is why FDF is now modernizing the older RK62 rifles into the 62M standard, adding adjustable stocks, RAILZ, etc on it.

All that being said, the RK rifles have the simplicity and realibility of the AK rifles, combined with higher production standards, improved sights and few other small improvements to the design. They're pure war fighting weapons, tools for conscript soldiers, that can be expected to last from father to sons.

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the rifle with the most memes is obviously the best

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I'm an old school fan myself

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Diemaco C7A2, the M16 but hardened for cold.

>>34223360
What optic is that ? I feel like it would look nice on an FAL

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hnng

>>34223178
Well it's better than its reputation.

>>34223360
How's that not just a random AR.

>>34223633
canadian green furniture and ambi safety of course. totally different.

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Probably the LMT MARS-L adopted by the Kiwis, of all things

>stupidly expensive and high quality because it was bought in such low numbers
>DI AR

Obviously unsuitable for larger armies because of the unit cost but probably the best assault rifle in the hands of random grunts at the moment.

>>34223633
It's select fire and specially built for cold weather.

Also 20" barrel means it hits hard.

>>34223716
>DI
It's not DI, also the AR gas system works perfectly fine.

I shot a nigger today

>>34223728
It's a fucking shorthand for stoner gas system because most people aren't as god damn pedantic as you are

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>>34222962
Have you ever even shot one?

It's a fine rifle, but it has its share of shortcomings. Although some can be seen as trade-offs, it still lacks some functions that are present on some of the more modern rifles.

>heavy
>non-modular
>mounting system is bad
>no bolt hold open/release

I love my Sako, but if I had to choose between it and my AR, I'd probably take the AR.

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finnbots unite

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>>34222962
rk95 is good but not the best

AKM and AK-103 are far cheaper, have a better market and part

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6847L8aEA6A

>heavy af
>best

>>34224488
To be fair, that's a design feature.

>>34222962
>>34223062
So why is it that they're choosing to upgrade the rk62s instead of just making a more modernized rk95? Is it just to save money, or are there any actual problems with 95 that make the 62 a more appealing option?

>>34222962
>trying to tout something you've never held, much less shot as the best gun ever
It's just another good rifle among good rifles in 762x39. It's not some amazing feat of engineering compared to any modern ak or vz58 etc.

>>34223595
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C79_optical_sight

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>>34222962
It's more shooting range rifle than service.
AK-74M on the other hand, is best service rifle in the world.

>>34225310
Only one batch of 95's was ever ordered so the production line hasn't existed for two decades, there were plans to buy Beretta ARX160's to modernise our small arms but instead the decision was made to modernise the 62's instead. Basic line of thought was that rifle is fine but muh railz and red dots would be neat.

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>Long barrel yet short rifle because bullpup
>better weight distribution because bullpup
>comes with a 1.5x optic
>so rugged and easy to use that not even the most retarded peasant conscript could fuck it up

Fight me cunts.

>>34225401
Also
>comes with a vertical foregrip

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>>34225357
that is not an AK-103-2

>>34223633
Preserved in maple syrup.

>>34225401
It's better for the rifle's center of gravity to be between the hands than on or behind the trigger hand.

>>34225456
no, it's better to have the weight as close as possible to your body

>>34222962
why do people love this gun its just a heavier AK, it doesn't even look striking

>>34225491
But that would mean that you are supporting more weight on your rear hand, which is not ideal since the right and the left hands are almost equally strong.

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>>34222962

>Airshit

>>34225514
Mostly for production quality, while most ak's were made by illiterate slaws and shoot 4 moa or worse the rk is a high quality gun capable of sub moa accuracy.

>>34225413
>7.62
>good

>>34225540
You can only tell the difference by the image quality so eh whatever.

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>>34223786
Then again, optics are not that important in the woods where visibility is limited to 50-100 meters. Most of the time when attacking we were just pouring suppressive fire at the enemy positions and tried to close in as fast as possible. Yeah, optics could be nice, but then again iron sights work just fine.

Of course in southern Finland there's more open fields, but infantry is not supposed to try and hold open ground against mechanized aggressor. I did my training in the north, which is just a dense forest.

>>34225531
i don't know about you but that feels better for me

t. had an aug and an AR

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>>34225310
Because Sako used to be owned by the Finnish government, but in their infinite wisdom they sold the company to Beretta. You can guess how many of those rifles have been produced since the change in management. After 20 years of kvetching the government agreed to finally upgrade the beat up 62's, but Beretta started pushing the ARX160, which would have meant we'd have to re-train all the reservists, change our land doctrine to accomodate the shit underpowered round, throw away all our stockpiles of 7.62x39, etc etc.

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>>34225549
>implying 7.62x39 is not good

>>34225549
>confirmed for not shooting 762x39
It shoots absolutely fine up to 400 yards for me, and buy a brand like golden tiger and it yaws along the lines of 545x39. Nasty...

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>>34225726
>posts 5.45 AKs

>>34225726
Its not though

>>34225753
>>34225549
In forests 7.62x39 is a better round. 5.56 is stopped by wimpy birches, while 7.62x39 blast through them

>>34225787
Does 5.45 not exist in your world or something?

>>34225576
The short distances actually make red dots save lifes because you get accurate shots to the enemy faster.

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>>34225801
5.45 is kinda shit, at least the ammunition we get in the states, and a lot of a benefits of the cartridge are lost on semi auto

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>>34222962
every weapons has its critics

I'm okay with our service weapon

>>34225819
Looking at >>34223787 I find it hard to believe that a red dot would give that much advantage. In a urban setting or a desert, sure. And yes, a bit in the woods. But is it worth the hassle of adding weight and trying to provide every conscript with one?

>>34223799
nigger the rk95 shoots 1 moa groups on average compared to 3-4moa groups of those 2

>>34222962
>meme cartridge with a rainbow trajectory
>best service rifle
7.62x39 was Finland's greatest small arms mistake.

>>34225853
Considering the fact that they are trying to provide every fighting troop with one I'd say yes.

>>34225828
>5.45 is kinda shit
retard spotted
Enjoy your poisoned wounds while shooting throught enemy making little to no harm.

>>34225859
>Implying that matters for a standard issue grunt rifle

>>34225933
it does matter if u want to be able to get consistent head shots

>>34223786
>Have you ever even shot one?
95% of the people who meme the Finn AKs haven't even touched one, doesn't stop them from putting in on a golden pedestal of course.

>>34225531
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mechanical_advantage

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lever

>>34225853
>But is it worth the hassle of adding weight and trying to provide every conscript with one?

Red dots weigh next to nothing these days and quicker target acquisition in CQB is easily a matter of life and death, so....

>>34225859
>AK-103
>3-4 moa

>>34225949
Tru

>>34225859
AMMO
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>>34223787
Hows Finland in the face of Migrant crisis?

Like general life quality, any Arabic signs, PC dominance, etc.

Also is Russia still poking you guys with sticks or are they leaving you alone?

>>34225834
AG>HK

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>>34226260
>Hows Finland in the face of Migrant crisis?
We got it very easy compared to our cuck-neighbor. Migrants can be seen in bigger cities, but they're not swarming the streets nor setting up temples.
Towels either adapt, or they get knifed by your friendly neighbor Cannon Ball boys.

>Also is Russia still poking you guys with sticks or are they leaving you alone?
They're "accidentally" flying in our airspace more often than in total within the past 20 years. Suspicious land purchases are being performed by rich-fag Ruskies, who never ever use or even visit said places, which often are located in the middle of fucking nowhere (with the exception of being located near power plants or lines, old military locations... etc). Our Gov had to actually step in and prevent some fishy Russian parties from buying some entire villages just recently.

Ruskie "officials" have made it very clear that NATO membership is not advisable to us. Some old Soviet-era jarheads have even preached how Lenin had no rights to give us our independence all those 100 years ago, thus making Finland still a legit state of Russian empire, so on and so forth.

There's also been track-suited goons observing Nordic joint-training operations in the Lapland, AND even threatening some military officers by demanding information about troops & gear, all while showing said victims a photo of their family members.

tl;dr: Ruskies are asking for it, and are pulling all sorts of bullshit excuses that would make them the "rightful owners" of Finland, the Baltics in whole... hell probably half of Europe soon.

>>34227680
why you don't want to live in peace? Fucking finns >:c

>>34227680
Finland should go NATO, then Russia would have no choice but to fuck off.

>>34227680
Whats a cannon ball boy?

>>34227680
As an American, I'd have no problem with our country coming to your aid if Russia tried some bullshit even if you're not part of NATO. Every experience I've had with Fins has been great. I've visited Finland and you guys are doing shit right.

Fuck the haters and the vodka ings.

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>>34223062
>ywn be molested by the Sako the Rape Elf

>>34230881
Cannonballs are a finnish motorcycle gang

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the best rifle
the best lady
the best sexual experience

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>>34232544

>>34222962
You know the israeli galil is an improved rk95 right? Which technically makes it a better and thus the best rifle right.

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>>34232578

>>34225456
Idiot. T.noguns faggit.

I mean if youre doing cheekweld without shouldering a pistols brace because muh atf then yeah you'd be right, otherwise you're an idiot.

>>34225954
Thank you, I love you.

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>>34232587
>You know the israeli galil is an improved rk95 right?
You do know that Galil is merely an RK-62 clone, while RK-95 is an upgrade of 62 with some superficial elements copied from Galils?

tl;dr: Sako & Galil are close friends.

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>>34225950
I suspect 95% of them are finn conscripts, because nobody else cares.

>>34225894
Considering that Finland is mostly covered by woods, making long range engagements unlikely, 7.62x39 is more than good enough.

>>34232901
I've seen more yanks than finns drool after the finnish AKs.

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>>34230953
>As an American, I'd have no problem with our country coming to your aid if Russia tried some bullshit even if you're not part of NATO
Too bad your president doesn't seem to agree.

Not to mention there's a ton of people in Finland still living by their delusions that by remaining pure neutral, nothing will happen to us. It's even more mindboggling when some old farts bash NATO as if it'd be something worse than the fucking Soviet Union, all while "our beloved brothers" at Estonia embraced NATO immediately after their independence was announced, and have been warning people about Putin's bullshit for years now.

>>34232922
This, plus people don't seem to realize that the Lapua's 7.62x39 ammo =/= the old and busted Ruskie M43. Combine that with the tighter tolerances and higher production costs of RKs in general, and you got a powerful, small .30 cal round that can easily hit man-targets past 400 meters. Heck, some FDF units even have used RK95 + AGOC as their "DMRs", punching steel at almost 500 meters!

>>34232972
That, and the Fucking Leaves, as it's the only "AK" they can legally own.

>>34223633
It's "hardened for cold" meaning they opened the gas port up slightly.

Does the OP of that realize piston guns are inherently more hardened for cold?

>>34222962
Do all finnish tank crews have Type 56 AK's?
I heard of at least one case.

>>34232831
I'd say they're closer to being cousins.

>>34225859
AK100/Saigas are a 1.5-2MOA gun. VEPRs are 1-1.5MOA. Yeah they're 3MOA with cheap range ammo but what gun isn't? I doubt the MOA tests done with your precious RK rifles wasn't done with match ammo. You guys oggle over this meme rifle that's not even good (or produced anymore for that matter). If you love it so much you should be bitching to Beretta to produce some in the states, since they have the tooling. Then buy one and regret it when I outshoot you with my $300 Saiga that actually has an aftermarket.

>>34233424
>>AK100/Saigas are a 1.5-2MOA gun. VEPRs are 1-1.5MOA.
Haha, yeah right.

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>>34227680
If only you knew how hilarious is it to read your post as a Russian. Our vatniks say exact same thing about US, "muh destroyers of independent Russia". Come to think of it, US libtards are not much different with their "muh Russia killing muh democracy".

Goes to show that in some aspects, ((((the globalists)))) are right: people indeed think with the same patterns everywhere.

>>34233429
Bench it, properly mount a scope, and be conscious about your ammo and those are very realistic figures. That's how "MOA" is measured with any other platform.

What do you think it is that makes the AK platform inherently inaccurate? Does the barrel "flex" when it shoots?
>Lmao, no, it doesn't. Inb4 slow-mo of some rickety old pieced together AK.
Is the chamber loose for more reliable tolerance?
>No, they tightened them up because lacquer coated ammo is on its way out.
Are the barrels crooked?
>Maybe, depends how much vodka Boris has while making it. (No)
Do the sights suck?
>Depends on the shooter, I can say they aren't made for long range accuracy.
Is it difficult to mount a scope, so most people forgo it?
>Yep.
Is the ammo not typically loaded for accuracy?
>Bingo.

If the sights a straight, the barrels straight, and you shoot straight, the bullet is going to go straight. You're a noob shooter if you don't understand this basic fundamental of marksmanship, and if you can't get an AK to sub-2MOA, which is NOT even an impressive feat.

>>34233469
US has less history about annexing their neighbouring countries for shits and giggles.

>>34233491
>Bench it, properly mount a scope, and be conscious about your ammo and those are very realistic figures.
No they aren't, fuck off.

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>>34233469
For the Finns, it is pretty well known, ages old thing that Russian media tends to favor the Russian side (which alone would be understandable), and even purely fabricate stories in order to make things click better with the political leaders. There was even this hilarious tale from the early days of the Ukraine / Crimea conflict, when a bunch of European press people were reporting the situation to their own corresponding channels; apparently a bunch of tracksuit thugs drove right in front of them with their black Lada, started talking about not spreading western propaganda to their people if they value their family members' lifes, and then drove off.

It's quite funny to see this giant bear with nukes and shit consider us midgets like the Finns a legit threat if they would choose to join a DEFENSE union. Some folks just want to live in peace and make sure no superpower tries to annex us, again.
At the same time, some half-dead Finnish grannies are boycotting NATO and pretty much whispering to us youngsters' ears not to make Russia mad. Independence and freedom of choice my ass.

As a side note, it's just silly how both Ruskies and Yanks blame each other for various things, and sitting in-between makes you a potential "enemy" of both sides. Smells like Cold War 2.0: Shitposting Era. The Moscow's "troll factory" is already a well known legend on Finnish discussion boards and newspaper web sites.

>>34233492
>Cuba
>Phillipines
>Grenada
>Panama
Might not have been for shits and giggles, but hre both countrys are equally as faulty.

>>34233564
So how much land did clapistanians take off Cuba, Phillies, Grenada or Panama?

>>34225920
>he's never shot 7.62 before

>go in wikipedia
>search "military gunz"
>click on ak47 or ar15
>click on caliber
>sort through nations who use it
>click on first country you don't recognize
>click on experimental/prototype/discontinued gun

Y IS DIS GUN I FOUND DA BEST GUISE IM SO SMART OF GUNS I KNEW ABOUT THIS

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>>34222962
That's not an STGW90