How is the French Army?

>>34218176
Better than most European armies, except maybe the British. Definitely a first world military power with global force projection which is more than the Chinese or Ruskies can claim

>>34218176
Much better than what they're getting credit for, they get plenty of practice in parts of Africa.

>>34218187
>France
>Force projection

>>34218176
My experience with them is that they live up to their stereotype.

Abandoning Milan missiles because they were being "over run". Really they were just exchanging rounds.

Had several men captured in Afghanistan because they were left in an LP/OP without a radio.

Begged for American helicopters to cover every move. Ie: Driving 12Kilometers to the next post, Going to the bazaar to meet the local sub governor and area where we would play volley ball with kids.

They sucked bad. Their supply system kept them in beer and wine but they would trade with us for 9mm

>>34218436
Why would you make up things on the internet, on a website where a good chunk of the posters have military experience?

>>34218436
Were they actually using up their 9mm? How?

>>34218442
Been there done that. Turned my FB over to the French when we moved out. They sucked.

>>34218452
Not using it up. They just weren't given enough rounds to fill their magazines. Some guys had MP5's and they had maybe 20 rounds a piece for them.

>>34218463
The French did not have men captured in Afghanistan. They did not have beer and wine issued in any real quantity and not at forward positions. They did not abandon MILAN systems or missiles.

You've fabricated those things, for whatever reason.

>>34218503
cuck

>>34218503
>>34218576
You proved his fact
>>34218176
They are ok , second in line in europe after the brits.
Their airforce needs to be upgraded do

Elder God-tier MRE

>>34218958
Don't they have small packs of alcohol or some brandy in the MRE's?

>>34218576
>>34218442


>>34218436
>>34218503
>>34218576

What a faggot

>>34219045
No, that's the Italians

>>34219045
I heard from a reddit thread about MREs that they have a small bit of wine. Like at most a few small sips worth.

>>34218176
Fine. Thanks for asking. How are you?

>>34218958
Was it nice?

>>34218958
Nice.

How's the Legion

>>34219991
Someone a few months back was posting about how the Legion gets all the truly shitty jobs, low pay, and subpar equipment. Dunno how true it is, but that's what I know.

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>>34220038
>shitty jobs
Some real high speed stuff or literal sit in a African jungle and stew in your underwear shit

>>34220092
Doesn't sound too pleasant.

>>34220395
but african child whores tho

>>34218381

>"Whats africa?" The post
>"Whats south east asia?" The post

>>34220038
Aren't they one of the only people who actually operate in africa often though?

nothing on earth has Force Projection nailed like the USA and Al Quaeda. Any group that can ram your own flying civilian transports into your very OWN finnacial hub of activity is pretty on par with being top dog of Force Projection. This might have something to do with the AFG response of every Seal team they had pre invasion.

>>34220403
Do you want AIDS?

>>34221195
They do but no more than our Marine Infantry and Paratroopers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Serval

France is pretty much continuously operating in one part of Africa or another.

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>>34223154
>continuously

>>34221195
They are in Africa since the end of colonialism. They see it as their responsibility and a make up for colonialism. They take the biggest share of operations like EUTMAL, MINUSMA, UNIMISS, UNISFA or ONUCI. And they train most north african militaries

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I like the desert uniforms

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>>34223243
I love the look of the French uniforms.

>>34223233
Yes, they don't often get credit for this. Though to be fair, they do rely quite a bit more on UN members to come in and take some slack.

>>34223530
they indeed use a lot of third world blue helmets as cannon fodder, but still most of the time they keep these missions running sending loads of staff personell

>>34223554
> use a lot of third world blue helmets as cannon fodder
You wish, most of them will just bail leaving their weapons behind at the first sign of trouble
http://reliefweb.int/report/c%C3%B4te-divoire/un-troops-return-west-ivory-coast-after-riots-0

>>34218176
They sure as fuck aren't protecting the French people from the invaders are they?

French army is shit until it makes France a non third world hellhole again

>>34218381
Neck yourself you ignorant cunt

>>34223890
That's the job of the police, not the fucking Army.
France is not Japan.

>>34218176
Good and adaptable. By far the military I'd put my trust in if Europe ever needed to fend for itself.
However, just like the rest of Europe, they're facing massive underfunding issues. It's creeping in slower than elsewhere but it's still there and there's a point coming up when even they couldn't cope with the resource loss any more.

>>34223499
>>34223243
Feels good that the frogs never fell for the Multicam/digital tacticool garbage.

>>34223908
The police aren't fucking stopping the rape hordes and trucks of peace either faggot.

They're generally pretty cool guys. Not the smartest in the world though.
Did some training with them in New Caledonia, nearly caused an international incident.
They have sweet ass combat shorts though
Also wack as fuck rations

>>34223998
>international incident
Tell me more...

Trained with em a couple times.

They know their job, but maybe it was just the ones I ended up working with but they were arrogant as fuck despite not having anything like the same experience at what we were doing.

Their stores guys were nicer though, so maybe it was just a bad bunch.

Their army's not bad. Lacking in some high end stuff like rocket artillery, proper ATGMs, heavy vehicles and larger helos though. They move fast and light on logistics though, that was neat to see. Never seen anyone gypsy wagon it up like they did.

Rations were nice. Traded for a couple. The meme of their rations is a little exaggerated as godlike food, but they were still very nice, one of the best I've tried.

>>34223233
And god bless them for it The world would be a better place if more countries were as proactive about putting out fire before they really blow up..

>>34218176
>>34218187
>>34219991
Trained with them as per the Lancaster house treaties.

Good blokes, but they had a habit of going full rambo and firing whilst sprinting towards the target.

The VCBI vehicles were pretty dope, and the boys liked them to the point that it reignited the whole 8x8 procurement which the VCBI will probably win due to Lancaster house and Boxer being kicked out in the first round of the last competition.

Its true that their logistics sucked, they can't use any other NATO cartridges other then 9mm or 7.62 until the HK416 comes into service.

8/10 would serve with again.

>>34224282
Africa should be cut off from all help and have a unbreakable wall build around it.

>>34224282

Thats not realy what they are doing in Africa lol.

In France (i'm actually belgian but its kinda the same) we have a term "Francafrique" which designate the very thin (almost non existent) line that there is between France and some African countries. France has always "stolen" African countries by putting retarded dictators at the top of countries and then getting sweet contracts for natural ressources, everything you hear about "islamists" in Mali and all that shit is fake, they are there for big companies such as AREVA etc. It has always been about that for more than 50 years.

>>34224429
>muh conspiracy theories
I'm not saying it's entirely wrong, but islamists in Mali are definitely not a meme.

p.s. connard de belge.

>>34224429
did you know, that if you hold a conspiracy-nut up to your ear, you can hear the tinfoil crackle?

>>34218576

Damn, you sure showed him.

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>>34218176
They love the wheels

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>>34218176

Able to somehow use new equipment in full swing and able to fight conflicts rapidly in different countries quickly. True and sole masters of expeditionary warfare, don't debase themselves to staying in super FOBs and whatnot.

>>34219233
>>>/leddit/
oh boy, it sure is summer

>>34224429
France always supported French-speaking African countries like Senegal or Ivory Coast. The Brits do the same with Nigeria and Kenya.

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>>34224498
They fucking do.

>>34224433
>>34224479
Not him and not contesting that islamists are real, but I think we'd have demilitarised more if it was just for that. The pacifist talk islouder in france than the apologetic post-imperialist one.
Main reason france is in africa is uranium.

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AMA

>>34224704
Nigga, from the regular intel briefings I do get, expect muzzie activity in Mali to actually increase.
Nothing much is reported on it in the press, but IED attacks are actually increasing.

>>34223233
>They see it as their responsibility and a make up for colonialism
>a make up for colonialism

what is "neo-colonialism"

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>>34218187
the irony

>sweet wheels
>sweet camo
>sweet rifle grenades

>>34219991
It use to be fucking rad until they stopped taking in people who were wanted for a crime

>>34223918
>He thinks it's for tacticool

>>34224811
They still do. They quit taking people suspected or wanted for murder

>>34218436
>Their supply system kept them in beer and wine but they would trade with us for 9mm
this was the giveaway line, fuck off liar cunt

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>>34218176
As >>34218187 said better than most european armies, but still in a difficult position.

Sea-wise, we're okay. The new FREMM class frigates look really nice and should be a nice complement to whatever is still floating.
Same for the subs, they're a bit old now but nothing to really worry about.
The Charles-de-Gaulle is the sore sport here, it's not an really good state. Basically it's in and out of the drydocks all the time.
Lucky for us, France doesn't have that much of use for carriers. So either get the CDG restored for a long time or scrap it and get a new one.

In the air, it's a bit better. Honestly, the Rafale and all it's variations are top tier planes and can pretty much fill out every missions. Kinda like an F-35, but working.
Now, projection is trickier, >>34220838, it can still be done but it's rellying on a lots of old planes and C130 / Hercules, etc. Hopefully the new A400M will help with that, if they're actually delivered in time.

But everywhere else, it's getting pretty bad. The Armée de Terre is really, really low on vehicles and tank. Only tanks remaining are the Leclerc and there's not a whole lot of them. most APCs and IFVs are pretty old now, with no plan to replace them or upgrade them, or no budget at all.
Same goes for all the AA on ground, and helis.
FAMAS is on it's last leg, and FELIN wasn't much of a success. And now we have to beg HK for (more) rifles.

Plus the Sentinelle op, the whole soldiers patrol in Paris and France, is a whole fucking mess. Everyone except politicians are saying this operation should be cancelled since it's eating away money, training time and rest time. Resulting in reservist with little to no training patrolling in Paris with no dissuasion effect.

>>34225217
>most APCs and IFVs are pretty old now, with no plan to replace them or upgrade them, or no budget at all.
Are you shitting me?
VBCI
Jaguar
Griffon

>>34225241

Jaguar and Griffon are not APCs.

We've not had a proper APC since the AMX-10's were retired.

Dunno why he mentioned IFV's, though. VBCI is all right, but it direly needs an upgrade. It's only got a 25mm cannon, and not even the super high end 25mm ammo the US ones get.

>>34224726
I had no idea teletubby anon was also a french-fag, but it makes sense. What FAMAS variant was most commonly issued to the soldiers who actually had to fight? When I trained with them in 2003 they all still had F1s, which seemed weird.

>>34225296

Still F1's.

>>34225217

>Kinda like an F-35, but working.

I wish it were. It's a crime that it lacking any real air to air hasn't had CONSTANT media coverage over here to force them into getting it back faster.

>Same goes for all the AA on ground

We did get the SAMP/T, at least. Wish they'd just bite their ego and buy us some Chinooks though.

>>34223243
>dried bloodstains and liquid shit

>>34225280
>>34225241
Yeah, my bad forgot about the Jaguar and Griffon.

And there's 600 VBCI, with a percentage of them being in near constant repair. And there's the gun issue. So, sorry for the confusion, I just think that it really needs an upgrade.

>>34225318
>I wish it were. It's a crime that it lacking any real air to air hasn't had CONSTANT media coverage over here to force them into getting it back faster.
Yeah, me too, but so far there hasn't been a need for modern air to air. At least in the current conflicts.

>We did get the SAMP/T, at least. Wish they'd just bite their ego and buy us some Chinooks though.
Me too, pal.

I did 4 years in the US army but if I ever got that itch to go back in the military, I would fly to France and try to join the FFL before trying to get back in the US army again

>>34225296
F1s, sometimes fitted with more modern optics (Aimpoints, Eotech, Scrome), and aftermarket rail systems.

>>34225374
>>34225280
The Griffon, previously VBMR (as in Véhicule Blindé Multi Rôle), can and will be used as an APC

>VBCI needs an upgrade
What is the VBCI 32t?
Also, the feasibility of putting a telescoped 40mm cannon on a VBCI was investigated.

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Can someone explain the hate France gets. Call me a Francophile but I got tired of hearing the surrender jokes. Btw if you're make those jokes at least make some new ones instead the same ines over and over

>>34225483
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrJQ3Q9E7bs

>>34225433
>Also, the feasibility of putting a telescoped 40mm cannon on a VBCI was investigated.
This is what the brits are interested in, for all intents and purposes its pretty much won on quality already, its just whether to see if the AMV, Terrex or Pihrana is better value for money.

>>34225483
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fwp7lhE0ctY

>>34224364

Does the FAMAS not run well with standard NATO 5.56?

>>34225483
This and brits. Us Americans have an inferiority complex whereby anyone brings up a valid point and your a commie or a nigger.

>>34225518
>its just whether to see if the AMV, Terrex or Pihrana is better value for money.

Politics might also be involved. French Nexter has merged with German KMW. France collaborated with the UK on the 40mm telescoped, but how do you Brexit and stay in the Franco-German industrial military complex?

>>34225538
Doesn't run at all, they use funny rifling in the FAMAS and the mechanical setup requires steel casings.

>>34225483
>Call me a Francophile but I got tired of hearing the surrender jokes.

Historical education is not really all that high on the list of things schools prioritise or kids enjoy.
Aveerage Joe history knows that France had Napoleon who got fucked by the Russian Winter and that French quickly surrendered in WW2.

Maybe a bit of Jean d' Arc.

>>34225556

Lol wtf. I thought the point of standardized NATO stuff was interchangeability. Hell, I'm sure that's a common scenario among different weapons from different member countries though.

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>>34225546
>Franco-German industrial military complex?

See attached.

Nexter plans on selling them to the British army, so Thales can sell watchkeeper.

>>34225598
the FELIN and Naval infantry version can still use NATO stuff i think

most nato weapons can't handle Radway green ammo anyway which is a bit of a bummer.

>>34225639
>See attached.
What am I supposed to get from this?

>>34225647
Still owned by french state, so its really not a problem and works in our benefit as we won't have to pay importation/exportation prices due to Lancaster house treaty.

>>34225667
I never said state ownership of Nexter was an issue. It's not like it's preventing it from exporting stuff and being globally competitive.

>>34225483
Terrible American education
Bong lance corporal here, France is truely our closest military ally and historically is our biggest rivalry, truely there are no more intertwined nations in the history of mankind

>>34225433
My bad then. 40mm on VBCI sounds rad.

>>34225684
So what was that point about brexit being an issue for exporting VCBI?

>>34225699
> Bong lance corporal here
Gen? Reg?

>>34225711
>So what was that point about brexit being an issue for exporting VCBI?
Because it's gonna be a lot harder to negotiate with a country that's not integrated into the Eurozone and Schengen anymore. It's a lot easier to establish an industrial complex (military or aerospace, for example) when there are no borders, everyone is using the same currency and adhering to roughly the same policies.

I'm not pro-European Union, mind you, I'm just saying it's going to be harder to deal with.

>>34225433
>The Griffon, previously VBMR (as in Véhicule Blindé Multi Rôle), can and will be used as an APC

No, neither of them are APCs. Thats just the line the government is using to try and buy on the cheap. The Griffin is not anywhere nearly protected enough to be a proper APC like we need. It's at most an MRAP battle taxi, but you tell me to get behind something with a fucking WINDSCREEN that large in an arena with AA guns, copious amounts of HMGs and autocannons and I'll tell you to get fucked.

We have MRAPs coming, but what we need more are conventional heavy end war APCs to actually transport in areas liable to have peer enemies. We have none of that right now.

>What is the VBCI 32t?

Which doesn't contain the upgraded needed. It fixes the shit turning circle of the old one, makes maintenance a bit better and is a little better armored, but it still uses that 25mm gun. The turret with the CT40 and ATGMs has not been purchased for it. Thats the VBCI 2, a separate product.

>>34225518

> for all intents and purposes its pretty much won on quality already

There hasn't even been a competition for it yet, and the LAV-V won the last one for them, not the VTT (VBCI's APC). In fact the 32 ton variant is based on fixing the issues the British pointed out with it when they didn't choose it. AMV has also demonstrated they can put the British turret on it, so that has a big advantage for the Finns.

>>34225711
Royal Welsh fusiliers my man

>>34225824
>a fucking WINDSCREEN

It's was also the case for the VAB.

And sadly I don't see an upgrade of firepower for the VBCI anytime soon. They'll consider 25mm to be suitable for what it's used right now. And they're mostly right.

>>34225824
When you say 32T variant do you mean the VCBI 2? because thts got the CT40 pre installed?

Pihrana 5 did win, but the critera was simply for an APC, we're now looking for an IFV.

The VCBI gained a lot of ground when the french came over to train with us. they even loaned some to us to train on a get familiar with.

>>34225483
That's all they are, jokes. They're annoying as hell and show how ignorant someone is.
France's military is one of the stronger militaries in the world and top 3 strongest in all of Europe.
They're legit and have proven it many times over.

>>34225904
Snotty commando myself (CPS & Recce) Been in 12 years.
Prior to ISRB was posted across Queens and 12 Mech Divs.

>>34225824
>MRAP battle taxi
That's the current definition of an APC. IFVs are heavily armored. APCs are not.

>>34225966
>>34225904
I was using my so called intelligence there. meant 3rd mech DIV,

>>34225929
>They'll consider 25mm to be suitable for what it's used right now. And they're mostly right.
This. 25mm is more useful than 40mm for a VBCI. If you need something larger, just use the AMX now, and Jaguar later.

>>34218176
The French Army isn't going to be enough to put down all the hajis that have invaded France

Paris isn't Paris anymore, France isn't France anymore

>>34225929

And the VAB is not suitable for peer against peer heavy conflict. You cannot drive them to the frontline, you cannot transport troops in areas of high threat.

>>34225935

>When you say 32T variant do you mean the VCBI 2?

Nope. The 32t is an improvement to the original VBCI. The VBCI has an entirely new turret along with those improvements.

>we're now looking for an IFV.

In that case AMV is probably a better bet for you, they've shown the Warrior CT40 turret on it, so for commonality it seems like a better option.

>>34225978

>That's the current definition of an APC. IFVs are heavily armored. APCs are not.

Meanwhile almost every single other military in the world disagrees with us. EVERYONE else is gunning for well protected 8x8 APCs. Meanwhile we get a moderately protected truck. It's a scandal that people are even defending this out of sheer misplaced nationalism. If you actually cared for our army you'd want them to get the right kit.

Also amusing in that some of their APCs are better armored than our IFV.

>>34226010

>This. 25mm is more useful than 40mm for a VBCI. If you need something larger, just use the AMX now, and Jaguar later.

You do not go looking to "we'll just use a second vehicle!" We'll only have 248 Jaguars for the entire army, a massive reduction on how many direct fire aid vehicles we used to have. You cannot count on them all being around all the time in every firefight ever against every single enemy vehicle in a war. VBCI needs to be able to defend itself while Jaguar does its actual job in recon and not constantly babysitting a bunch of barely armed IFVs.

We want the VBCI to not be incapable of killing other vehicles. Right now its starting to get that way as heavier armor takes to the field out there.

>>34218176

Unironically it is by far the best continental Europe army.
At the moment France could easily fight a 2 front war vs Germany and Spain and come out on top without using nukes.
Really good training, devent budget and doctrine, good equipment, high professionalism, and a good level of operational experience.
Navy is so so, aviation and army are excellent.
You'd need to face them off with a superpower like Russia or the USA, or have half of Europe declare war on them.

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>>34226801
I wish Europe would reintroduce conscription

>>34227371
Sweden did this just watch as refugees go down.

>>34225508
>>34225536
>>34225542
>>34225595
>>34225699
>>34225956
Read the comments on it
https://youtu.be/IS1RB3qvFjc

>>34225483

It's simply a meme born of ignorance and a drive-by impression of history the same as people have a meme impression of the Redcoats or the WW1/WW2 Germans or the Russians. Most people will not know anything past Napoleon and Jean D'arc like >>34225595 mentions, and even the educated laypersons among gamer/nerd communities will know herp derp agincourt hurr durr crecy.

Hell they get an unfair dig for WW2 when the British were getting their asses kicked every which way for the first few years. Losing to the Boche (let alone the comparable "beaten by asians" of post war Dien Ben Phu) is small potatoes compared to Singapore and the Japanese 27th bicycle legion.

And I am sure we burgers have similar egg on face cases

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>>34227371
Do we really want conscripts fighting in the field though? Wouldn't well equipped and motivated volunteers be better?

>>34224726
Régiment ?

>>34227549
What are some good books about the disaster at Singapore?

>>34227632
Who's the artist for these things? See this style a lot but never know who does it.

>>34223499
same - and i like the concept of the FFL

>>34227371

The only thing conscription might fix, is if it is done in a way to educate/indoctrinate the general population in a patriotic manner which means they identify with their country's military. The problem with European armed forces is chronic underfunding in a way that guts meaningful capabilities, more barely-trained warm bodies isn't going to fix that by itself.

>>34227549
>British were getting their asses kicked every which way for the first few years
> Allies in the flank collapse
> Only major ally sues for peace.

In Singapore they ran out of food and ammunition, their relief force sunk, they were in a shit situation and knew that it wouldn't end well for them. They were probably the first soldiers (bar the chinese) who knew the brutality of the Japanese soldiers.

Most of the British empires soldiers based in the pacific were either territorials or previously battle fatigued regiments trying to recover.

Besides the japanese failed to take india.

>>34224726
hé t'es l'autre mec chelou de /fr/
Pas bien de se faire passer pour un milouf quand t'es qu'un airsofteur qui LARP

>>34218176
Aesthetic as fuck

>>34228432
>hé t'es l'autre mec chelou de /fr/
Ce nouveaupédé
>Pas bien de se faire passer pour un milouf quand t'es qu'un airsofteur qui LARP
Si t'étais pas un nouveaupédé, tu saurais que je suis bien placé pour répondre à certaines questions

>>34227632
Well, if you are fighting a COIN campaign, one of the most important factors is the ratio of soldiers to civilians. Pretty much nobody these days has enough soldiers to effectively police an occupation or naitonal-level insurgency.

>>34226735
>VBCI needs to be able to defend itself while Jaguar does its actual job in recon and not constantly babysitting a bunch of barely armed IFVs.
IFVs are not supposed to engage other heavy vehicles. Especially now that the focus is on asymmetrical warfare.

As you pointed out, Jaguars recon and neutralize heavy armor (as per French doctrine of mounting heavy weapons on recon units), THEN you bring IFVs, Infantry, and APCs.

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>>34229580

>>34225483
Remember that it's always just jokes, but I've always gathered it comes from Vichy France being a bunch of jobbers, France pulling out of NATO and France being one the primary reason the US was willing to fuck around in Vietnam and then promptly pulling out once the US was committed. It all seems to leave a sour taste in the burger's mouths.

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Joining the FFL in 2 months, AMA lads (ami btw)

>>34230334
Why don't you join your own army instead? Are you running from something or just want an adventure?

>>34225483
When I was in New Caledonia, I saw a statue of a soldier in that same sort of relaxed pose. It was a nice change from the usual boring straight stance you usually see with soldier statues. I wonder if it's a common French thing

>>34230334
Why doesn't every country have foreign legions

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>>34223243
>>34223499
>>34223918

France is one of the last Western countries that actually knows how to dress an Army properly, both on and off the battlefield.

They'll finally be adopting the 416 as their standard issue rifle this year too.

>>34231188
Kill yourself.

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>>34231210

t. butthurt Armyfag who keeps get sniped at from long range because of his shit-tier ACUs.

>>34224913
>>34218436

I don't think any other board has as many liars as /k/ does, its unreal

>>34231352
/pol/, /b/, /r9k/, and /fit/ has a lot of liars as well.

>>34224726
How underfunded is your military really? I remember reading on during during combat in Mali that you only got issued new vests right before combat and that guys had to buy a lot of there own gear.

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Who is more /fa/

>>34219991

It depends on which regiment you're serving in.

If you're a poor soldier, you'll probably find yourself stationed in French Guiana or Southern France, cooking and cleaning for five years straight. That said, the 2nd Foreign Parachute Regiment is considered to be elite - if you manage to get in, you'll most likely be serving in either West or Central Africa.

The training facilities for the 2nd REP, 1st and 2nd REG are often used by the SAS and UK Paras. It's also said that PMC's hold the elite regiments of the FFL in very high regard when considering applications.

Either way, the French Foreign Legion's basic training is brutal. It was only a couple years ago that two candidates died of dehydration and heatstroke, and they hadn't even earned their kepis yet. You won't be learning anything technical, because the real training starts once you've been drafted into a regiment based on aptitude. For example, if you're in the top 1% of your class, you'll go straight from training at the Castel to Djibouti, which is a whole other level of intensity.

>>34232385
Germans always win in that department

>>34230334

Same. Are you going to Paris or straight to Aubagne? I hope you've been practicing the Test de Luc-Léger, because the minimum score is 7.5, perhaps higher depending on your Corporal Chef.

>>34232609
its the only thing they win

>>34224811

They still take criminals, just not people wanted by INTERPOL you fucking doodle head. It's the same system/principle that stops terrorists from joining the USMC.

>>34232241
Correct, some were deployed with F1 helmets (a 70s model), others were given frag vests or Gilet Pare Balles S3 (a 90s model, I believe)

The fact that grunts have to buy their own gear has been true for years, but things are a little better because of Tigre plate carriers.

>>34232385
WE

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No one ever talks about French SAS

>>34223499
Come to Paris then. They are everywhere. Also, you may laugh as they layer several body protection

>>34232702
The US military forces its soldiers in training and garrison to wear so much retarded extra shit that they look like giant clowns too. Throat collars and butt and dick flaps and side plates bringing the total number of plates to 4 and sometimes, if you have a full POG tier battalion commander, you'll have to wear the bat wings too.

>>34226735
>And the VAB is not suitable for peer against peer heavy conflict. You cannot drive them to the frontline, you cannot transport troops in areas of high threat.

But it is suitable for IED protection as well as weapon up to 14,5mm and mortar indirect fire. So it's perfect for the sandbox. Too bad it arrives so late in the game.

Same goes for the VBCI, 25mm is enough to defeat any threat up to MBTs.

If we want to massively upgrade the protection and firepower of our ground forces we have both the technology and the actual equipment to do so. However we won't due to the lack of budget and immediate threat.

I dislike this logic as much as you since it is used to justify unjustifiable budget cuts but having the proper gear for the mission at hand is better than having a smaller force prepared for an hypothetical peer against peer heavy conflict.

>>34232241
Adequately funded for peacetime and police operations in agrarian countries.

>>34232615
Not him but I preferred going to Paris.

>>34218381
>CATOBAR
>SSBN
>IRBM
>not force projection

Seems better than UK desu

>>34230334
Complete the basic first and then brag.

>>34233187

Second strike nuclear weapons =/= force projection

Nice try grenouille-aboo, next try posting when France's sole carrier isn't in a 1.5 year refit, they have strategic airlift, and the sealift/replenishment-at-sea capability isn't token.

>>34225217
Idiocy: the post

>The Charles-de-Gaulle is the sore sport here, it's not an really good state. Basically it's in and out of the drydocks all the time.

CdG has more than 50% disponibility at sea over its entire career. It will still have more than 50% disponibility AFTER that 18 months drydock period for upgrade and reactor maintanance she's currently in. As far as light-ish carrier can go it is an excellent platform.

>France doesn't have that much of use for carriers

Single provider of a CATOBAR platform outside of the US. No use. No geopolitical point. Right...

>Seawise they're okay
Despite the fact that seawise is undoubtly right now our most urgent problem to alleviate with a most urgent need for new OPVs and naval surveillance air platforms for sovereignty enforcement, and quite frankly, a few more first rank frigates wouldn't be useless either. If we're into wishfull thinking 2 more Barracuda class SSN would be appreciated as well.

>FAMAS is on it's last leg, and FELIN wasn't much of a success. And now we have to beg HK for (more) rifles.
FAMAS is replaced, with first delivery earlier this month. FELIN's core is the communication equipment, not the optics stuff, and it is a tremendous success. We do not "beg" for rifles, we selected them after a tender. And keep in mind the steel of all those rifles, 30% of the price, is actually french.

>>34225374
>And there's 600 VBCI, with a percentage of them being in near constant repair.
Yeah, like, just like absolutely each and every other vehicle out there. Rotating back to supplier for deep maintenance is absolutely normal.

>>34225824
>that guy bitching and moaning about the Griffon windscreen and each and every thread remotely associated with the vehcile.

Oh. It's you again. We didn't miss you. The Griffon is 100% fine for its intended use.

>>34219233
They had them up to the early 2000s, but stopped when they noticed that the soldiers stashed every little bottle for two weeks or more and then, once or twice a month, would get fucking hammered by drinking all of the saved bottles at once.

>>34228994

>. Especially now that the focus is on asymmetrical warfare.

And thats the problem. When an IFV can entirely likely encounter other IFVs that are already getting armor more than resistant to 25mm weapons, then you need those IFVs able to take care of themselves.

>As you pointed out, Jaguars recon and neutralize heavy armor (as per French doctrine of mounting heavy weapons on recon units), THEN you bring IFVs, Infantry, and APCs.

And there's only 248 of them to do the entire job of fighting EVERYTHING that isn't a raghead? Jaguar has more specialist duties than that. They aren't to go out and kill everything. Their job is to locate, inform, exploit and if they can't engage fully on their terms, to GTFO. They're light vehicles. You don't go throwing them against heavy armored thrusts.

>>34233006

>So it's perfect for the sandbox.

And when you have to fight an enemy with a modern, capable military? Oopsie, there goes the men inside!

>Same goes for the VBCI, 25mm is enough to defeat any threat up to MBTs.

Like fuck it is. Most modern IFVs and APCs are immune frontally to 30mm at least, and vehicles are only getting heavier. Why do you think we want the 40mm?

>I dislike this logic as much as you since it is used to justify unjustifiable budget cuts but having the proper gear for the mission at hand is better than having a smaller force prepared for an hypothetical peer against peer heavy conflict.

I appreciate that, but the real end thing is that good numbers of high end could do both. If that necessitates an increase in the budget, so be it. I'll never bring myself to ever say otherwise, not when it's our lives on the line.

>>34235127

Oh dear, I'm "complaining" because my government won't buy us the protection we asked for and gave us the entirely wrong vehicle that went against everything we told them we needed for that role.

How shocking. How terrible am I wanting to not be a fucking target for anything HMG and above.

>>34218436

are you sure you dont mean the germans?then again they rarely ever do anything.

>>34234487
>grenouille-aboo
>not ouiaboo
Allez...

>>34236506

If you aren't including the epithet frogs, you aren't hurling verbal abuse at the French right.

t. Anglo

>>34235320
>And there's only 248 of them to do the entire job of fighting EVERYTHING that isn't a raghead?
Yes. For the same reason we mothballed the Leclercs. We don't expect to fight against heavy armor on a large scale, and if we do, it's because ragheads stole outdated tanks which infantry can take out with ATGMs, soon to be replaced by MMPs, the very same missiles we will mount on Jaguars.

It all makes sense. Why are you stuck in the belief that we need to prepare for symmetrical warfare?

>>34235320
>other IFVs that are already getting armor more than resistant to 25mm weapons themselves
That's a funny way of spelling "Toyota Hilux with a DShK".

Jokes aside, assuming a symmetrical warfare setting. IFVs aren't supposed to fight other IFVs. It's in their fucking name: INFANTRY fighting vehicle.The whole concept is INFANTRY based. Anti-armor capabilities are just a bonus.

Subsequentlyl, VBCI stands for Véhicule Blindé de COMBAT D'INFANTERIE.

>>34218176
Surrender easily

>165 posts
>93 Ips
>All this propaganda
The whole french army is posting here lads, ask away before they surrender the thread!

>>34236835

> IFVs aren't supposed to fight other IFVs. It's in their fucking name: INFANTRY fighting vehicle.The whole concept is INFANTRY based. Anti-armor capabilities are just a bonus.

What a vehicle is "supposed" to do is irrelevant when against a near peer, who might have large numbers of light armor. Being dependant on dismounted infantry to fight enemy IFVs and other light armor is a significant weakness compared to other IFVs which can do so in a surprise encounter or while on the move.

That said, the French should just take the cheap way out like the British, both their Warrior and Ajax tracked IFVs will lack an ATGM capability even if equipped with the CT40 gun, so they are looking into a Javelin-equipped Kongsberg Protector RWS, which could also be fitted to whatever 8x8 (VBCI or not) they procure. The off-the-shelf RWS route means nearly any modern IFV can be fitted with a anti-armor capability as and when it is required. The French already have the Javelin in service, so this would be a simple step to take for the VBCI.

https://www.kongsberg.com/en/KPS/News/2016/June/KONGSBERGs%20PROTECTOR%20RWS%20%20Highlighting%20Javelin%20Missile%20capabilities%20at%20Eurosatory%202016/

>>34236986
>What a vehicle is "supposed" to do is irrelevant when against a near peer, who might have large numbers of light armor.

You want to talk about irrelevant?
The whole point of nuclear deterrents is that "near peers", "peers" or above aren't gonna attack us. There is no value in designing our procurement around training exercises with other NATO forces, or very hypothetical Cold War old scenarios.

If 248 ATGM-equipped Jaguars aren't enough to defeat the heavy armor that we would be up against, the fact that VBCIs can't engage them is the last thing we'd have to worry about.

>>34237291

Obviously by near peer I mean deploying mechanised forces, not just blowing up jihadis, vehicles resistant to 25mm fire are proliferating. If you think France should move entirely over to being a COIN military, that's a rather niche opinion.

>If 248 ATGM-equipped Jaguars aren't enough to defeat the heavy armor that we would be up against, the fact that VBCIs can't engage them is the last thing we'd have to worry about.

You're not a child, don't argue like one. Pretending that France will be able to field all of its 6x6 combat vehicles at the same time, and that they will all be in the same place as all the 8x8 IFVs is a facetious argument. You might as well have argued that the M2 Bradley didn't need the TOW in the 1991 Gulf War because of all the M1 Abrams it was deployed alongside, as it turned out, that ATGM capability was invaluable..

It's always surprised me that France is pretty much the only European country that doesn't have a US military base on its own soil. Speaking of which why doesn't Britain or France have one here but we can have a ton in other countries

>>34223998
>>34224050
I want to know too

>>34237588

The French Withdrew from the NATO command structure for most of the Cold War, until well past the end (1966-2009). Charles de Gaulle demanded all US troops leave France at the time, so no bases.

There is no need for them to have a permanent deployment in the USA, the purpose of US bases in Europe was originally to allow rapid reinforcement of Europe in the face of threats from the Warsaw Pact, there have been no threats to North America. Also, US bases easily have the capacity to accommodate visiting foreign forces as and when required.

The closest European base to the USA is probably BATUS in Alberta https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Army_Training_Unit_Suffield

>>34237519
>Obviously by near peer I mean deploying mechanised forces, not just blowing up jihadis, vehicles resistant to 25mm fire are proliferating. If you think France should move entirely over to being a COIN military, that's a rather niche opinion.
The fact that we're even equipping Jaguars with ATGMs shows that we're not moving to COIN entirely. We're just scaling down anti-armor capabilities in favor of more versatile 25mm and 40mm cannons.

>You might as well have argued that the M2 Bradley didn't need the TOW in the 1991 Gulf War because of all the M1 Abrams it was deployed alongside, as it turned out, that ATGM capability was invaluable.
That Gulf war was close to what you'd call a near-peer conflict, in terms of equipment. The Iraqi had tanks, a lot of them. I don't see France fighting anyone capable of fielding a modern mechanized force in the near future.

>vehicles resistant to 25mm fire are proliferating
Who, what, when, where? If you're sending a VBCI by itself against a vehicle that can defeat 25mm, AND that has the destructive capability to defeat a VBCI, you've made a tactical mistake. We've been deploying AMX-10RCs against talibans with no armor, I don't see how we'd fail to deploy Jaguars/Griffons alongside VBCIs if we expect the enemy to possess armor.

Sure, it'd be nice if VBCIs had ATGMs, but Jaguars and Griffons will have MMPs, so I don't see the need.

>>34232385
British. The Germans were the most effay in WWII

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>>34218176
Can't be any worse than the fat faggots, bitches, niggers and trannies running around in the U.S. army these days.

>>34232626
delet this

>>34236887
(You)

>>34218176

I worked with them in Africa. From what I got to see they're pretty good. Some of their doctrine seems really outdated compared to the US, but they don't have the same obsession with tech that we do. All of the Troupe de Marine I worked we knew their shit, were used to the suck, and had a good sense of humor.

I was less impressed with the Foreign Legion. From what I say tough, well trained, but they made a lot of dumb decisions that got people needlessly hurt.

>>34236795

Have and not need, than need and not have.

>>34224364
>HK416
man it's gonna be weird for the french to not have their iconic famas anymore.

>>34231352

/m/ gives it a run for its money, as does /cgl/.

Which reminds me, we need a new crossboard census.

They're fine - how are you?

>>34225217
I know you are wrong on the following aspects :
>only tanks available are Leclercq
No we still have AMX-10RC in light cavalry, getting Old but reliable and doing their job.

>Most APCs and IFVs are getting Old
False, the new génération is being fielded : VBCI are now in every infantry régiment, and Griffons xoming in à few years

>Sentinelle
I whole heartedly agee

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My biggest dream in life as a former soldier in the US Army is to get back in the military by flying to France and joining the FFL and getting assigned to the 2e REP, then working my ass off and going to selection and joining either the 1st Marine Infantry Parachute Regiment which is one of the French SF units, or GIGN.

Of course, I will do none of this and just keep hating my life as I go through college on the GI Bill.

>>34240187
>Of course, I will do none of this
Why tho

I'm joining the Marines and that's literally my plan.

>>34238787
Can't afford to do that

>>34240187
What piece of shit MOS and unit did you have that makes you think the French are high speed?

>>34240286
Thinks FFL are superior to Marines instead of just a meme. Hint, the Viet Minh fucking destroyed the FFL in Indochina, not just Dien Bien Phu but GM 100 and more.

Take pride in your own service. The Marines have a far better combat record than the FFL.

>>34240452
Kinda hard to when the communists in France purposefully sabotaged their grenades and weapons. Not to very little air support

>>34240452
>Thinks FFL are superior to Marines instead of just a meme
I don't, but the Marines aren't doing hardcore African shit right now.

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>>34224726
Hold the fuck up, the teletubby-collecting anon operapes for the French? I need more pics of your goods

>>34225639
M4's handle Radway Green just fine.
As for Radway green 7.62, never heard of any problem with them in US civvie FAL's, G-3's (PTR-91's), and M14's.

But I know for a fact US 40mm High Velocity ammo (for Mk19's) will jam up an HK GMG


The F1 is a 1:12 twist (I believe), and needs a 55gr steel cased round

>>34225483
>Can someone explain the hate France gets

they are giant dicks.

>>34242088
So is everyone else. Did they bant you too hard on /int/

>>34241747
Not anymore.
This is a LARP-ing pic.

>>34240286
>>34240452
>muh Muhreens

When will people finally shut the fuck up about the Marines? They're literally the same as the fucking Army, they do exactly the same shit. They're not special, it's all just a PR campaign that makes people think that.

>>34240396
I'm not sure if you're being serious or not because the French are actually high speed and have proven it.

I was a 68W in a combined arms mech battalion assigned as an infantry platoon medic. Lots of riding in Bradleys mostly.

>>34224498
that's badass
10/10 will look for one on CL in 20 years

>>34227453
>implying youtube comments aren't a congregation of 12 year olds
its a cesspool of ignorance, that's all

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>>34218176
>>34225483
>>34225595
>>34225699
>>34227453
>>34227549
France has always been one of the great forces of the earth. The Nazis knew their history and acted accordingly.

>>34224364
+20% morale made them going full rambo

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>>34243260
>>34243270
>>34243275

I think I read somewhere they estimated France might have lost two million people to the revolution, the revolutionary wars and finally the napoleonic wars.

France had the largest demographics in Europe at the time of the revolution, even more populated than the Russian Empire. It's crazy to think by the 1910's they we struggling to line up enough conscripts to man their border with Germany.

>>34218176
SHEEIT. I was there when that pic was taken. Was in 2014 for Combined Resolve II. LTC Price was my BN Commander.

>>34233187
>Force Projection
>Nuclear strikes and SSBNs

kekkerino

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>>34245384

havent seen that one

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The new call of duty has made the French soldiers women

>>34246831
And you're surprised?

>>34246865
I wouldn't be if it was the resistance not the main military

>>34246890

who cares at the end of the day?its a game,a bit of revisionism for inclusivity is not that big a deal.

>>34247240
Then why give her the military uniform

>>34218176
smelly

>>34248153
Literally all armies are smelly.

Soldiers don't bathe or change their clothes in the field.

>>34224498
Oh yes here in the 3rd hussard we love our amx10 rcr

>>34245384
>>34246363
source

>>34246363
Source

>>34248671
its called 1916 on youtube

>>34250579
Thanks

>>34248182
>franco-german brigade
I am truly sorry.

>>34220092
That dolphin is creepy as fuck.

>>34234487
>when France's sole carrier isn't in a 1.5 year refit, they have strategic airlift, and the sealift/replenishment-at-sea capability isn't token.

what?

>>34247240
That's how it starts. If she'd be resistance fighter it'd be nice touch, an omage to those women who served but main army? Anything other than nurse is unrealistics and the devs keep milking realism cock
>we want realism
>we tried to best approach to make game realistic
This is why we put women in the roles they never served in. Wouldn't be surprsied if germans just like in bf1 would consists of 90% blacks and women.
Nobody forbids women from joining army these days but in the past they weren't any in the front lines and it should be kept that way since it's history and changing it is bad no matter the intentions. It's gonna be like with blacks and their WE WUZ mentality, some of them geniuenly think afiracns were some sort of super empire that had connections to the aliens and that they made white people. Same is goning to happen to history about WWII if things will keep getting changed. Wouldn't be surprised if 50 years from now on kids will be taught that women were huge % of front line soldiers and that war was won becasue of them and non whites.

>>34228046

IIRC the battle of Hong Kong was given the nickname "the Stalingrad of the east" or something close

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>>34227549

>a buttmad frog lover in the flesh

stay mad

>>34232599
Jesus christ, the amount of bullshit I read

t. an actual legionnaire

>>34241961
>M4's handle Radway Green just fine.
They don't, there was a standing order at bastion to not give Radway green ammo to any other troops following an injury from a catastrophic weapons malfunction because of the use of L2a2.

And i don't know what the hell you;re using, but its not radway green. Radway green has never been commercial. And No sales of L2A2 have ever been approved due to safety concerns.

>>34255568
What regiment? I'm prior us army and really think I want to go back in. This college thing isn't for me.

I'm still /fit/, can run and have previous military experience. I want to be a paratrooper in the 2e REP

>>34255691
>american dude with prior military experience
This is actually a big red flag for the legion recruiters.
This population has the reputation of being extremely desertion prone because adapting to the legion represents quite the culture shock.

>>34255712
Not sure why. I've been in the army, been in the shittiest conditions, been payed shit, and all of it. I liked it and embraced it, which is why I would be open to the legion since the US military is in shambles, literally offering 90k to get people to rejoin.

>>34255729
The shittiest of your conditions are regarded as "ultra luxury" for eastern slavs used to conscription, whose view of the conditions in the legion is merely "pretty okay", mind you.
Veteran westerners are all prone to desertion, with the biggest offenders being americans. Not all of them mind you, but this means you'll have to overcome that pampered princess reputation if you try, diserved or not it may be.
When the company's SNCO at Castelnaudary is an ex russian LT veteran of the wars in Chechnya, you realize quickly that the standards for discipline may be pretty different.

>>34228046
On an unrelated note i really like the tropical uniforms of the time, and i like the ones of 30 years prior even more

>>34224726
Judging by the patch is that Afganistan?

>>34255189
Most french women did their fair part during WWI, just not on the battlefield
>Hence the suffragettes movement getting stronger, but lefties feared that they would vote according to their priests
>Later they were also against abortion because they felt it was the bourgeoisie trying to kill the proletariat in the womb
History is a funny thing to study

>>34232955
throat pro and groin pro weigh absolutely nothing. Ive seen what shrapnel does to people. 2 dudes in my company caught rounds in the side SAPI. Im completely fine with looking gay in the opinion of people on 4chan.