Paratroopers with dirtbikes

Sounds great for causing some chaos but also sounds like a suicide mission.

>>34217930
It's been done before to a degree,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welbike

>>34217930
Pretty sure the bike would need its own chute.

>>34217930

expensive way to commit suicide

>>34217930
I doubt the standard webbing strap could hold up a dirt bike. and having like 700lbs dangling under you is just asking for trouble

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>>34217930
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZEELIMeyOk

>>34217946
>>34217977
>suicide
why?

>>34217930
If the area to be disrupted is large enough for motorbikes than fuel may be a concern.
A better idea would be to drop horses from the aircraft instead.

>>34217930
How're you gonna get them the fuel to keep operating beyond a couple hours? You gonna drop them with full tanks?

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>>34217930
>Has something like this ever been tried before?
To some extent, with gliders

>>34217993
>everyone hears the dirt bikes
>everyone shoots muh speshul farces

What's the range on diesel dirtbikes ?, probably the only logical way since fuel efficiency since its damn hard to add even more weight to the drop kit.

>>34218014
>what are muffler exhausts

>>34217930
They were thinking about dropping scooters with paratroopers during WWII. I don't think the ever did though but I may be wrong about that.

>>34217930
Dirtbikes good for knowing trial... expedition is best on foot

>>34218014
Because otherwise, a mass airdrop is such a covert and silent event, right?

https://youtu.be/XF3U80-z4h4

>>34218031
>implying they are still not loud as fuck

and there's a dozen of them

>>34218064
>implying this worthless hypothetical would be a mass airdrop to begin with

It has been tried and I was involved in a British program. The men did not drop with the bike, but the bike was dropped in a container with its own parachute. There was also a design where the bike was put in a very secure container (essentially the same size as the container with the parachute, but with some sort of internal packaging) and dropped at low speed at 300 feet, which was the lowest we were ever cleared to jump from.

The problem was not necessarily the dropping of the bike, but the logistics of it. Motorcycles are large. They're also heavy, and training soldiers in the use of them (especially effective off road use) takes a large amount of time and effort. Whilst it worked as a concept the men did not see the point in dropping smaller amounts of men with cumbersome motorcycles, at a not ideal altitude. For conventional troops it was out, preferring to take more men with less liability.

At a later date an SAS mobility troop performed an exercise at RAF Salalah where bikes were dropped by parachute, but again the benefit was questionable. Four wheeled fast attack vehicles were preferable to individual motorcycles.

>>34217952
When the above was being attempted more than one old boy pointed out that it had been tried before, but the current heads were having none of it.

Welbikes were also produced post war. The Danish Home Guard had them well into the 60s, which I know because I accidentally broke one on an exercise.

>>34217930
>Paratroopers with dirtbikes
>>unit of highly trained commandos that parachute behind enemy lines with a dirtbike.
>>the dirtbike hangs underneath them while falling, like the big bag in pic related.
>>when behind enemy lines they can move around quickly and disrupt the enemy within a wide range from their dropzone.

>How effective/practical would such a unit be?
>Has something like this ever been tried before?

Mechanized paratroopers.. How about armor Paratroopers?

http://youtu.be/55u9L8LJlRc

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>>34218036
They did, they made 500 of them
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vespa_150_TAP

> The Vespa 150 TAP is a Vespa scooter modified for use with paratroops. Introduced in 1956 and updated in 1959. Modifications from the civilian Vespa included a reinforced frame and a three inch recoilless rifle mounted to the scooter.

Dumb question.

Can they drop APCs with the crew in them, or do you still have to drop separately, and meet up on the ground?

Guys hear me out
Just listen

What if they dropped with surfboards

>>34218095
Only the Soviets did that, they used rockets that slowed the descent so heavy equipment wouldn't be damaged. AFIK the US never really dropped with equipment besides the Sheridan, Humvees, and maybe some other light equipment. Crewmen inside of an APC thats dropped isn't a very smart thing to do.

>>34217930
You'd be able to hear a dirt bike mounted unit coming from 2 miles away. It wouldn't be very safe for them.

>>34218081
Well, what the fuck else would it be, then?
It's paratrooper tactics we're talking about over here! You don't drop paras a dozen a pop, that's what you have SpecOps for - and they do, in fact, use dirt bikes on occasion.

>>34218089
>They did, they made 500 of them
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vespa_150_TAP

>> The Vespa 150 TAP is a Vespa scooter modified for use with paratroops. Introduced in
>1956 and updated in 1959. Modifications from the civilian Vespa included a reinforced frame and a three inch recoilless rifle mounted to the scooter.

Interesting.

With modern equipment they could take out armor with low cost..

>>34217930
Then there's this thing:

https://youtu.be/akKbk82jp-s

>>34218139
Good luck persuading someone to go hunting for armoured vehicles with a scooter.

>>34218131
Since WW2 there has been no western dropping of motorcycles with paratroopers of any kind, role or tasking aside from limited exercises that I alluded to here >>34218083

They very well may use them (though even that is rare, with other vehicles preferred) but it's not coming from the air.

>>34218131
>implying paratroopers aren't decades obsolete to begin with
>implying that even when paratroopers were still relevant that the massive increase in airlift cost to put them all on motorcycles would be worth a damn

giving them folding bicycles would be far more useful. still stupid though.

>>34218128
ZERO makes a special militarized version of their electric FX and IIRC several units have bought small numbers of them for testing. They are super quiet and unlike many vehicles they easily fit into an Osprey or a CH-53.

>>34218182
btw

http://www.zeromotorcycles.com/de/zero-fx

>>34218150
Didn't mean to say they actually airdropped them, sorry.
But the do use them, and there's plenty of pictures of US forces training to insert all sorts of light, all-terrain vehicles via helis - bikes, quads, open-top jeeps, those abominations SOCOM used for desert ops during the 90's (what's they're called again?)...

>>34218213
>But the do use them
Absolutely. Although there's little information out there for obvious reasons, SAS Mobility Troops have that as their main focus. Their use of motorcycles is limited to outriding the LWB trucks and scouting out places, not actually taking part in the formed attack.

There was a fast reconnaissance vehicle, that somewhat resembled a stretched beach buggy, which was powered by a large engine and was nothing more than a frame and a backbone chassis. The British ones had Jaguar straight sixes and the American ones had V8s,which I believe were sourced from GM.

That concept was originally a French one, which had more success with it despite producing something far slower. Theirs was also air-portable, which the Anglo creation was not.

>>34218014
>>everyone hears the dirt bikes
>>everyone shoots muh speshul farces

Electric engine..

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>>34217930
the mother fucking taurus. 2x2 motorcycle.

>>34217930

Am I the only one who thinks that mountain bikes make more sense?

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>>34218692

At least one bike company thinks so, too.

>>34217930
Not effective at all. Paratrooping is obsolete.

>>34217987
Still better than Suicide Squad

>>34218101
CHARLIE DON'T SURF

>>34218745
Does that thing have a water container built into it?

>>34218767
nice meme

>>34219031
Thats not a spout, its for holding the bike together once its been unfolded

military as an istitution, doesn't like motorcycles.

anyone that has been in the US military and wanted to ride a motorcycle, knows how much of a pain in the ass it is to get permitted to ride a bike.

>>34219337
Because the fucking retards speed and kill themselves constantly

Anyways what about paramotoring, they can fly fast, up to 50 mph, can go as high as needed, 10k+ feet

Pretty stable firing platform, load people up with all around type 4 armor, carry enough fuel to fly for 8 hours

Would be perfect for patrols

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>>34219406
Blocks your path...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TLWNPTbYXI

Imagine if the US had 50,000 guys with these

They can fly with upwards of 600 lbs, so you can carry tons of gear/armor/ammo
Land anywhere you want

The Afghan war would have actually been won, rather than lost.

>>34219654
>worthless gimmick you can hear a mile away can make up for an incoherent strategy

>>34219654
>going that high in one of those
Jesus fuck no

>>34219643
.50 cal is easily stopped by some plate armor

>>34219715
So you coast with the motor off if you want to be stealthy, or have an electric motor+battery for short flights.

>>34219828
>weigh down glider with armor
>plummets like a rock

not very stealthy when it hits the ground at 100mph

>>34219930
It can easily lift another 200-300 lbs of armor/ammo + the grunt

>>34219973

no it can't. fat people with no armor are already at the limit of a reasonable sized wing and motor. and when you switch off the motor to be "stealthy" your lift goes to shit

or you can make a wing so huge you can see it from 5 miles away... so stealthy.

>>34218147
looks fun but also useless

>>34220003
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5vIy1m2f68

Here's a guy flying with a 300 lb passenger

>>34220206
>running start into the wind on a beach and still barely got off the ground

that ain't flying

lets see what happens when you want to change direction and turn off the motor to be "stealthy"

>>34220307
You always do a running start into the wind, thats how you paramotor
Same as planes need a runway

It's not a helicopter

But I guess the goal posts just flew away, its not flying unless they take the fat fucker up to 10,000 feet + fly for 4 hours?

>>34220406
>can't go to 10,000 feet + fly for 4 hours

then just use a helicopter. why would someone use that gimmick if it is inferior to something that already exists

better yet, how would this gimmick help "win" the afghan debacle (implying it was equipment that lost the war to begin with)

>>34220482
20 million dollar helicopter vs 10,000 dollar paramotor
The point is any grunt could fly one of these with a week or two's training, and it would give them the absolute pinnacle of mobility

No more issues with Afghans hiding in mountains, no more issues with grunts killing themselves carrying too much, no more walking into IED's along patrol paths.

Fly anywhere they want, any time they want.

>>34220576
>let's fly our guys into the mountains instead of patrolling even though intel is non-existent and they have no clue who is hiding up there or how many of them there are

lack of mobility isn't why the US lost

>>34220610
It's one of the bigger reasons

>>34220695

it was not even a reason at all

>no coherent strategy
>no intel
>no exit plan
>no local support

>>34220732
If they just won fights & were able to persue the enemy, none of that would matter

>>34220795
>no biggie we just need to stumble around the wilderness and win the firefights, don't need a goal and strategy to achieve it

you best be trolling

>>34220876
fly above the wilderness

>>34218531
It's a called motor you retard

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>>34217930
These cunts were pretty effective on dirt bikes climbing up all sorts of hills and shit

Russins has Tigr cars.

-air droppable
- has remote version UCAV
- has anti tank version with Kornet-D
- has anti air version with Strelets carrying Igla-S
- has radar carrying version that can link up with Verba MANPADS.
- has jamming version against proximity fuses.
- has normal car where russkies can pop up and use AGS-30
- has an ambulance where it can deliver the wounded to nearest enemy hospital

>>34221324
>It's a called motor you retard

An engine translates potential energy into kinetic energy, just like an Motor.

>>34218180
>folding bicycles

Folding bicycles are garbage.

>>34217930
>dirtbike hangs underneath them while falling

Fuck. That.

I've seen ADF troops training on bikes. They were skidding them flat and dropping to prone cover behind them.

Probably not terribly effective in live combat, but it looked cool

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>>34221442
>Russins has Tigr cars.

Russia has memes

>>34217930
>>the dirtbike hangs underneath them while falling, like the big bag in pic related.
Why not have the soldier already on the dirt bike and the parachute easily detached for a quick getaway?

>>when behind enemy lines they can move around quickly and disrupt the enemy within a wide range from their dropzone.
I've thought about this before, but my idea was to more or less drop them directly on the enemy. Add some ceramic fairings and give the paratroopers guns that can easily be wielded with one hand and swords and you'd have some ideal modern paratrooper cavalry. Just imagine seeing multiple squads of modern paratrooper cavalry descending on your position, reving their engines and ready to fuck shit up.

>>34221442
>has an ambulance where it can deliver the wounded to nearest enemy hospital

What did he mean by this?

>>34224654
>find enemy hospital in the area
>kill all inhabitants
>use hospital to treat your own injured soldiers

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>this is an imageboard.

>>34218095
>>34218115

Yeah, the Soviets tried really hard to make this work. The idea was, why bother training tens of thousands of men with a dangerous, expensive, and complex skill like parachuting when you can just drop the men in a box that also greatly increases their mobility and combat effectiveness?

Remember at the time the Soviets had eight full divisions of paratroopers, AND conscription meant that there was a ton of turnover. That's not even counting spetsnaz GRU, which also mainly trained in air drops and was probably about division strength at the time. (late 60s to early 70s).

So the russians did all kinds of experiments with ways to increase the mobility of their paratroopers. Totally mechanizing them was one thing they did. They experimented with motor bikes, and I think Spetsnaz made a big effort to try to integrate tactics using bikes but couldn't really get the issues sorted out.

On thing they did for deep reconnaissance (strategic) spetsnaz was have their agent networks prepare motor bikes: bike stores, mechanics, junk yards, etc. These were actually full on rest areas with supplies: ammo, medical supplies, batteries for their radios, rendezvous for agents, etc. But also some got motorcycles.

Note that the bikes were intended to be used deep behind enemy lines. One idea was to disguise them as a motorcycle gang.

Modern US special operations are playing with the concept. A hybrid electric motor eliminates the noise problem, but you still need fuel. Our troops like the idea also because they can be used to charge their other gear or carry equipment.

What about fuel? Airdrop or just that one full tank of gas?

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Dirtbikes are noisy, though for recon purposes etc you could slave them or electric ones to a mothership, atv etc. Motorbikes alone have too little cargo capability for repairs, ammo, heavier guns and comms so not the thing for actual commandos doing covert ops without extra drops. Though for regular Air Assault, Path Finders, paratroops like in WW2 doing back-up duties with in-theater equipment and resources, fobs it could be useful.

>>34225601
sounds like a war crime but ok