Milsurp Thread: Addiction Edition

Buy gun, and then more ammo for gun.

Easy.

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>>34214302
But then I need more ammo of a different caliber. It's a vicious cycle.

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>>34214294
>I only have 20 8mm rounds.
Get more 8mm rounds.
>pro-tip: 8mm squares won't fit

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>>34214374
What about 8mm triangles?

>>34214294
Join the darkside, my young padawan!

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>>34214417
See, I'm already at six milsurp rifles, and I'm now thinking about a MAS 36 or an Arisaka. I really like the idea of a Type 38, but the Type 99 uses the same bullets as .303, which would make reloading simpler (and Type 99s seem to be cheaper). At some point, I should get a Carcano, too.

First, I need some 8mm and some dies.

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>>34214613
Meh, use your first 8-10 to nail down the basics and then hunt unicorns afterwards, you'll slow down eventually!

>>34214318
>filename is K98k
>production date is 1918
>this shclomo thinks it's a rifle that wasn't made for another 20 years

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>>34214613
>I really like the idea of a Type 38
Then that's what you should get. It's also totes superior to the T99 aesthetically.

>>34214691
The M93 is such a sleek, elegant rifle.

>>34214703
Whatever the receiver began life as, it is now certainly in Kar.98k configuration.
>bitches don't know 'bout them depot builds

>>34214294
>Waits an entire 2 weeks before even thinking about his next purchase
Such restraint. I'm thinking about my next purchase as soon as I pay for my latest one.

>>34214294
>I just got this rifle like 2 weeks ago and I'm already thinking about the next one. I only have 20 8mm rounds. What is wrong with me?


I own a snider. I understand.

>>34214294
Welcome to the Dark Side.

>>34214294
Surplus is like a terminal incurable disease in that it will never stop growing and it probably won't slow down either.

>Tfw living paycheck to paycheck to support my surplus habit

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>>34214613
Get a South American rifle. They're pretty.

Anyone know where to get some 8mm ammo? All I can find are new production, and the steelcase is very hit and miss as to whether or not they'll chamber.

>>34214294
Has anybody here order a Lee Enfield bolt tool that doesn't work on their bolt?

>>34215342
Get PPU, SGammo has 196 soft points in stock.

>>34215351
I bought one off Sarco that didn't work, I ended up making one out of a cheap screw drive.

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I just bought 150 rounds of surplus 8mm for $50, mostly a mix of m49 and m75 yugo.

What are these though? I was thinking German?

>>34215388
Where'd you get the ammo from?

>>34215439
Local gun show. Old guy had a couple of boxes and a mixed bag.

What's the price range of 1895 Chilean Mausers? Toying with the idea of one since I reload for 7mm Mauser now.

>>34215445
That's a good deal you god anon.

>http://www.gunbroker.com/item/653905042

I won this for $800. did I do good?

>>34215659
Not bad

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>>34215388
Those are two boxes of 1939 Manufactured Nazi German 8mm Mauser Ammo.

"Patronen s.S." stands for Patronen Schweres Spitzgeschoss or a cartridge with a heavy pointed bullet. They're corrosive berdan primed milsurp.

They're really nice rounds, but they're getting scarce and you might want to consider keeping them for their value as a collector's piece.

>>34215388
>>34215786
Looking at it closer, it seems to say 'Batr.'

Meaning it could be B-Patronen, which is a type of tracer.

>>34215659
>National Ordnance

Hope you did your research. They used cast receivers which I guess have been known to have catastrophic failures. I'm sure yours will probably be fine, but there's a reason you were the only bidder on an $800 Garand.

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>>34215847
Here's the headstamp

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>>34214613
Yeah the Type 38 is nice, I just got one. It's an all matching Nagoya, but as you can see the stock isn't in the best condition and it's missing the cleaning rod. I'm gonna get a sling and cleaning rod for it, as well as bayonet to make it look cooler. Also I need to learn how to take better pictures.

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Matching 1944 Tok in the mail.

>>34215867

>Hope you did your research. They used cast receivers which I guess have been known to have catastrophic failures

well fuck me sideways I didn't know that.

>>34214294

Gun show today, the guy with the Garand from last month was there again, I want to buy it, hopefully he'll be back next month. There was also a couple of M1 carbines for under $800 that I seriously considered making an offer on.

Waiting for auctions to finish is suffering.

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Here's a shitty pic of my entire collection.

>>34214870

Get on my level, I'm thinking about purchases 5 guns in advance.

>>34214294

There is no hope. The only way to escape is to send all your guns to me.

>>34215100

I know this feel, I'm ignoring things like getting my car's AC fixed to buy more 'surp.

>>34215446

Sweaty Ben is selling them for $300, no idea what they go for elsewhere.

>>34214613

I got both recently, I'd choose the Type 38, but I don't reload (yet) so that colors my position.

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>>34214870

>tfw you buy a milsurp gun
>get bored and watch forgotten weapons or C&Rsenal
>start looking for more weird ass milsurp shit to buy

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>>34216257
>Dat Sig 550
Or is that the American 551A1?>>34214613
Get the Mas. You know in your heart that's the only choice.

>>34216279
I think Othias and Ian have cost me 15 grand in the past 2 years.

And now Ian has a fucking Cuirassier Berthier.... I'm so jealous I could cry.

>>34216308

It's a 556, got it from a friend a few years back, with the Trijicon, for $1000.

>>34216321

Not only does he have it, he got it as as a "barn find" so he didn't even have to pay full price.

So jelly.

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>>34215446
I got my Chilean from Classic for $270 when they first got them in about a month ago and I love it. But expect Jewish tricks with Classic, I'm probably not going to buy from them again.

The price range is probably around $250 to $350 burgers though, depending on make and condition obviously.

Why does every Carcano I see have terrible wood but immaculate metal.

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>>34216359
I've never seen a 556 with that stock. Damn I should look harder, I like the style of those.
>>34216394
I thought he said a viewer saw it for $150 in a pawn shop and sent it to him. Either way though, that's probably one of the rarest French guns in the world. I wish he'd do more videos on his own French stuff.

>>34216536

>http://www.gunbroker.com/item/653609836

this one seems pretty decent though I don't know if you want a full length.

>tfw contemplating bidding on either this or an inland m1 carbine I saw

>>34216512
Is yours all matching? And do those have a 2 stage trigger?

>>34216536
Odd, mine stock looks great and the metal is meh.

>>34216536

Because the pastas didn't shoot them, they just dropped them when they surrendered.

>>34216616

I was using an analogy to the classic idea of finding rare cars tucked away in a barn. The idea being that someone doesn't know what they have and sell it for cheap.

Also yes, the 556s originally in America were made/imported with M4 stocks, but later they switched to the "Classic" model with the folding stock. My friend couldn't find the rails that attach to the foreend, I've been meaning to see about getting replacements, but I'm lazy and it's low priority.

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>>34216706
>I was using an analogy to the classic idea of finding rare cars tucked away in a barn. The idea being that someone doesn't know what they have and sell it for cheap.
Ah, noted. I'm not a car guy so the analogy went right over my head.

>>34216687
HAHAHAHAHA

Well meme'd!

so a store just offered me 200 rounds of m1 garand surplus ammo all in en bloc clips for $135

should I go for it? I don't know where the surplus came from but they plan on sending me pics.

said the ammo had a marking AGE 1 or some shit.

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http://www.gunbroker.com/item/650867411

Its been refinished but here's a 1895 for anyone looking.

>>34217546
thanks, keeping my eye on it

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>>34216627
It's all matching except for the stock, and the barrel is pristine. It shoot amazing too.

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Another bedsheet lost to negligent bayoneting.

Remember kids: don't be a fool; sheath your tool.

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Talked to the owner of the milsurp store downtown, he said he'd bring two of his no.4's in for me to look at. When I showed up someone was walking out with a no4 mk1 with bayonet and accessories. Got really excited about finally getting one. Store owner says he thought about bringing them, but brought 3 rusted out m91/30 instead and wanted me to buy one. I just want a fucking Enfield REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>34218043
what a dick

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>>34218079
Dudes just the run of the mill old gun guy. His "store" is an old rundown antique store that's cluttered as hell and dark and damp. He does have some seriously neat shit though, has 2 Krags he wants $850+ for and some type 99s one for $780 because of the mum and sling one $290 an old 11mm mauser of some sort one trashed argentinean 1891 one in ok shape 2 Swedish mausers in ok ($420) and great ($780) shape as well as assorted blackpowder rifles and single shot target rifles

>>34215847

It's not B-Patronen, just S.S. Ball.

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>>34214703
It's a Gew98 that was later (probably in 1939) converted to K98k specs. It's a K98k now, so that's what I call it. I did scratch my head for a while trying to figure out what to put down in my bound book, though.

>>34214872
>snider

Get on my (brother's) level. Although a Snider has to be easier to load for than a Martini-Henry. At least you don't need to shape your own brass.

>>34214691
>>34215240
My goal for the immediate future is to get rifles from each of the major combatants in World War II. I've got four so far (with detours for a K31 and an SKS).

>>34214855
>Then that's what you should get. It's also totes superior to the T99 aesthetically.

I agree. The thing that's really drawing me to it is actually the cartridge. I like the idea of an early intermediate round, and I'm interested to shoot one.

>>34216257
>he has two Arisakas without reloading for them
The absolute madman.

>>34218224

>My goal for the immediate future is to get rifles from each of the major combatants in World War II. I've got four so far (with detours for a K31 and an SKS).

Are you me?

Probably not because the second part of Phase One is getting one of each of the main families of American cartridge rifles too.

Also, I got the Arisakas a few weeks ago and haven't fired either of them yet, nor have I purchased any ammo. I don't actually go shooting very often.

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>>34218275
>one of each of the main families of American cartridge rifles

That's a cool goal. So it's going to be the Model 1873 through the AR15? I can see a poor sporterized Krag and an 1873 (I think). Seems like high time to get one of pic related.

New to milsurp. Any suggested sites for good gear? I've got guns but I'm looking for stuff that would be good for general camping and outdoors things

>>34218362
you want the other milsurp thread

>>34218338

I'm stretching it back to the 1866 (Though an 1865 is high on my list of secondary purchases). For simple financial reasons I'm excluding the Spencer and Henry (for now). Phase Three will include muzzleloaders going back to the Kentucky Rifle and Brown Bess.

I bought the Krag as my first purchase after making the decision to start seriously collecting. I kind of regret it, but I think I'll try to get it restored.

For the AR-15 I'm kinda torn since I already have one and I'm planning on building up two more, but they won't be milspec. I'm considering getting a milspec repro (like the GAU-5/A/A from Troy) or just claiming one of my shooters as my "M-16."

I'd love a Garand, and I eyed one (and a couple of carbine) at the gun show this morning, but right now I've got a bid in on an auction, so I can't spend any more money until that finishes. A Garand is high on my list, but they're also some of the most expensive basic milsurp around. I'm kinda hoping the South Korean ones will come in and depress the prices.

>all this talk about Garands and Carbines being expensive
>got both for 700~ from the CMP

>>34218405

Everytime I go there they only have the ones with replacement stocks that are in shitty shape, or the sniper variants without any actual sniper bits that are way more expensive.

One of my great regrets is not deciding to get into 'surp earlier and getting cheap Garands from the CMP.

That said, even then, compare Garands to Arisakas, or Mosins, or non-German Mausers, or even French guns. $700 is equal to or higher than those.

Should I get an M7 grenade launcher for my Garand? Shooting dummy pineapple grenades around seems like it would be fun.

Ian needs help if there's any Ouiaboos around.

>>34218378
Thanks man, I'll ask there

Anons, I want to get a Steyr M95 or a K31 just off the basis that they're straight-pull action. Understand the K31 is super accurate, but am I falling for a meme here? Would they be worth the buy?

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>>34218809
Yeah you're kind of falling for a meme. They're more accurate than most milsurp guns but it's not like a fucking laser beam or anything. My Lebel is just as accurate as my K31.

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Well, here goes nothing.

Anyone have any idea of the model scope and mounting system used on the M1906 prototype Thorneycroft? It was the only example of the Thorneycroft program to accept an optic. I have the rifle, now I'm on a mission to make it a complete package and potentially double it's value.

I've searched high and low for leads, even contracted the British Ministry of Defense, as the only literature I've found mentioning the prototype was in a book published in 1981 by them called "British Rifles: Catalogue of the Enfield pattern room." They had nothing to tell me.

Basically, what are some examples of optics and mounts for British rifles ranging from 1890-1910? Rear mount is a square hole and front is a large dovetail.

If you can find me what I need I will be eternally grateful.

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this may shock some of you but there was once a nation called "France" in europe in the region around New Mecca.

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>>34218809
I love my M95 carbine. The accuracy, (weapon condition not withstanding), is negligible from a regular turn-bolt rifle.

>>34218809

They're probably better than the 95 and you can still buy match grade milsurp ammo for them (though there's no way to tell how long supplies will last).

>>34218989

I don't believe that.

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>>34218971
1. where the fuck did you get that
2. how much did it cost
3. have you shot it yet

do you have a measurement for how far apart the mounts are? I am willing to bet that even though the gun was proprietary the scope was something already in service in the time period.

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>>34219008
its totally true, i saw some pictures in an old book. ill try to get a scan

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>>34219022
>Romanian LPS on a WASR

I had that thought once, but mine would not cooperate and is now waiting for a 5.45 or 54R rifle to go on.

>>34219022
Private collection, traded for it, no because it doesn't have sights and I intend to preserve it.

I can get an exact measurement for you soon.

I would assume it used a scope that was already in use. It did compete with the Enfield, so maybe something along those lines.

It almost looks like a Mauser mount of some sorts.

>>34218874
>My Lebel is just as accurate as my K31.

wrong

your shilling is getting to strong

>>34219088
....
Ok chief. You say so.

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>>34219060
i took that picture for an older thread, 2 of my AKs have the correct rail for that scope.

scope is a USSR bring back from afghanistan

someday i hope to put custom dragonov buttstock on that WASR or my AK74 and then actually use the damn optic --- glass is totes clear which is rare cause haji never takes care of equipment

>>34219086
you're a lucky bastard. I am mad jelly.

>>34219175
jesus christ, even these threads aren't safe from retarded right wingers

>>34219191
don't encourage him

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##34219191
......you dont even get a (you) for your retardation

>guns
>expensive milsurp that requires JOBS

90% of us actually love America

>>34214294
>Sight hood
disgusting

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>>34219008
this is the book where i learned about france.

makes me wonder if there are any more lost civilizations in europe

>>34219247
>90% of us actually love America
and meanwhile, you're destroying it lmao

the only thing redeemable about this shithole is the ability to collect milsurp

>>34219291
take you /pol/ shit somewhere else

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I love my new kar98, just bought about 300 rounds for it and going to shoot the hell out of it. Problem is my eyesight is shit so I had to replace the sight with a mojo sight. Don't worry though, you just replace the rear sight and doesn't damage the firearm... can just pop the original back on if I want to get its collectors value back.

>>34219086
What did you trade for it?

>>34219316

Have you tried not being blind?

>>34219357
Maybe the German military could have tried making a sight that wasn't crap.

>>34219377
>blaming the equipment and design
Typical.

>>34219377

>Criticizing superior German engineering

It's made for ubermensch, not untermensch.

>>34219403
>>34219408
>not having a peep sight like the Americans

Germany lost the war for a reason.

>>34219425
>changing the subject
>"dude, they lost the war, lmao, I totally don't suck at shooting!!"
Just quit while your ahead

>>34219403
>>34219408
K98k has the worst sights of any WW2 firearm

>>34219425

>Using a target shooting sight on a combat rifle.

>>34219476
>using the most accurate sights when you want to shoot someone

Why would anyone want that?

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This seems like the thread to ask this, my M1 carbine shoots 7 or so inches high at 100 yards, I suspect the front sight may have been filed down, any advice?

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Jesus Christ is nowhere safe from the summer faggotry?

>>34219517
And you can't zero it?

>>34219547
I zerod the left and right with the rear sight but the front is non adjustable

>>34219517
Ammo could be the issue. If not, buy a new front sight.

>>34219594
Is the elevation knob on the rear bottomed out?

>>34219607
Yep, lowest is 100

>>34219649
Meant for
>>34219610

>>34219649
>>34219660
Seems like you might need a new front sight. I had no idea they needed to be zeroed with a file.

http://thecmp.org/wp-content/uploads/CC-zeroingproblemswithadjrearsight.pdf

>>34219640
You're both fucking idiots. It doesn't matter about "Credentials" if a statement is right or wrong, it's right or wrong. The author completely fails to touch on the different uses, historical and linguistic of the words "well-regulated" and "militia". But please go to /leftypol/, or wherever else you shitposting bot.

>>34219713
F

>>34219713
F

>>34219714
>Even if your pro-guns, it's retarded to be pro-the biggest political bloc for protecting guns in this god forsaken country
?????

>>34219713
That cat wasn't milsurp.
Besides, the rabbits are all that matter.

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>>34219754
>cat
>not milsurp

U wot m8?

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>>34214374
>tfw turkish surplus is gone forever

>>34219517
Six o'clock hold.

>>34218629
>if there's any Ouiaboos around
who is Billy

>>34219357
noguns detected, the sights are total ass.

>>34219762
I bet you anything, that cat's claws has been filed off.
Bubba'd kat.
>>34219809
How dare you suggest I'm a nigger, you nigger, I'm a spic.

>>34219713
I don't give a fuck about Pence or his ugly wife, but I'll sure as shit give that kitty an F

>>34219863

Actually I'm very hasguns, no K98k though, it's on the list, but it hasn't come up yet.

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>>34219862
I would but I'm too busy. And he probably wouldn't offer me enough anyways. It's simple work but my time is valuable (as I post for the 13th straight hour today).

>>34219781
good

it was garbage anyway

>>34218971
See if you can contact gun Jesus. That man has the real connections.

>>34219899
Then once you get your hands on one you'll understand why I switched to a peep sight... the sights are so fucking hard to use and i'm already used to my Garand sights so it makes everything easier. I love everything about it except for the sights, and its an easy fix with Mojo.

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>>34219902
what if he just wants someone to give a reacharound to? Would you really pass that up?

>>34219902

$10/hour helping translate French manuals.

>>34219920

>implying I wasn't just trolling you.

I do think that there's something to be said for sacrificing accuracy for speed though. You're more likely to need to make a snapshot than a 1000 yard shot on a battlefield.

>>34218405
>CMP Garand.
They're cheap because they're not as collectible as "original" Garands.

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>>34219925
Yes.

Now Othias.... I'd have to think on that.

>>34219952
>I do think that there's something to be said for sacrificing accuracy for speed though

Fair enough point, but i'm not shooting russians with mine, i'm sitting on a comfy bench shooting as slow as I want at paper targets. Just an easy way to make the gun more enjoyable for my situation.

>>34219175
>correct rail

That's not what I was getting at. The scope fought with me when I was trying to zero it on 7.62x39

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>>34219952
>I do think that there's something to be said for sacrificing accuracy for speed though. You're more likely to need to make a snapshot than a 1000 yard shot on a battlefield
Mauser sights are still shit for that. A good simple peep like the Type 99 or Mas 36 or P14 will be faster and more accurate than those Mauser sights.

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>>34219523
No, we can only hide them and hope shit gets better

>>34219952
The vastly reduced sight acquisition time on a Garand compared to bolt action contemporaries made any question of speed irrelevant. The Garand was faster, plain and simple.

>>34214294
>want to start getting into milsurp before it all dries up
>have Nugget and M1
Where do I go next? What's the must have list for milsurp?

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>>34219968
would you let Othias do it while Mae watches?
and when you climax, he shouts
>War Were Declared

>>34219847
That's probably what I'll end up doing, I mainly got it for collection purposes anyways not for anything too serious

>>34220076
K31, a good Mauser, a M39, basically anything in this thread you see

>>34220076

Sounds like you have the basics. After that it's whatever YOU want.

>>34220077

I would, don't know about the other guy.

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>>34219997
You decide on what'll be the next acquisition?

Can confirm aperture a best.

>>34220076
Swedish mauser are really nice

>>34220095
If I remember right on the carbines the sight apertures are set to 200 and 300 yards. If that's right, that's why you're high at 100.

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>>34220076
Mas 36.
>>34220077
>War were declared
Lost it.
>>34220118
Yup but I gotta keep it hush hush until I actually win it.

>>34220157
Mine has the sliding apature, the lowest is 100

>>34220264

Stop telling people to get MAS 36s until I get mine.

>>34220316
I second this

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>>34219925
I'm really wanting a Tokarev lately. I have pistols to buddy up with my AR and AK and my Mosin just sits by itself.

Speaking of my Mosin, I discovered last week that mine really likes Silver Bear. I have some Winchester white box and some Hornady to try out, also, but it will be a while when I get out to 100y again.

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>>34220316
>>34220364
Hurry up and get one then. All the cool kids are doing it.

>>34220400

Can't until the auction is over and I know how much money I'm out!

>>34219095
Don't mind him, Anon, but I appreciate the feedback. How does the Lebel treat you? I'm interested in getting one, one day.

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>>34220264
Nice. Can you give us any tidbits? Like country of origin? Or is it total hush hush?

>>34220292
I'd say hold low until you can find a taller front sight. Was it high with different brands of ammo?

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>>34220422
It's one of the most fun guns I own and surprisingly accurate for a milsurp. For 129 years old it's very smooth. But the magazine sucks was and takedown is annoying. It's a fun curiosity but probably the worst smokeless military rifle.
>>34220444
It's in 8mm and is from WW2.

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counterrevolutionary capitalist pigs GTFO

>>34220652
>®

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>>34220871
1945 Walther K43

>>34220959
what happened to the stock?

>>34220896
Wish I knew what it meant.

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>>34220986
Whoever bought it back from the war was probably going to sporterize it. They ended up sticking it in a wall instead from what I was told when I bought it. (what it looked like when I bought it)

>>34220986
>>34221010

Duffle cut?

>>34220118
This. There's a reason every combat rifle from the side that won the World Wars and the Cold War has one.

>>34221137
I'll let you look into my aperture onii-chan

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>>34221184
n-no thanks

>>34218971
Ask Othias or Ian on youtube.

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>>34219992
oh im sure. thats why I want to try it on my 5.45. I think the flatter trajectory of the round may make it easier to adjust for.

i just cant use it currently, because the stubby AK stock is too short and the optic literally presses against my eye socket.

>>34221010
how goes the project?

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>>34221302
>>34219904
Personally met Ian at SHOT 2017, shook his hand.

Told him about the Thorneycroft. Got his card, and emailed him photos of it because he expressed interest in it.

He never replied to me. It's been nearly four months.

>>34218971
can we see a top down?

some of the early SMLE snipers from WW1 had side mounted scopes with locking arms that extended horizontally to attach in-line with the receiver.

Aldis scopes might be a good rabbit hole to go down.

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>>34221315
back to shooting condition. If I ever feel like blowing a bunch of money on a dual lug replacement stock or find a good enough piece to graft on I will.

>>34221448
did they make a custom bayonet for it too?

what would you estimate (or charge) cash value for it?

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>>34220316
Just buy one faster

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>>34218809
I've personally found that my K31 (pictured here >>34214389) is capable of sub-MOA accuracy with GP11 and diopter sights. It's my favorite gun to shoot and I love the Swiss engineering. My bolt is super smooth and the trigger is amazing (second only to the 1895 for milsurp triggers).

The one downside is the stock iron sights are just a notch and post, like many other rifles of the period. They're good sights, and capable of fine adjustment, but still just a notch and post.

The bonus is that the best ammo for it is also the cheapest. GP11 is around 55 cpr at the moment, which is pretty damn good for what is essentially match-grade full-size rifle ammo.

Also, given that they never saw combat, they tend to be in really good condition. The part that is usually the most fucked up is the stock and buttplate, as the Swiss supposedly used them to knock the snow off their boots.

The crest is also a big plus.

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>>34221493
It took Enfield bayonets.

Last Thornycroft example sold for $30K at auction early this May. It was the most common example, the M1903.

The M1906 is literally one of a kind. Priceless.

Speaking of, here's some photos of my Fosbery that sold at RIA last month.

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>>34221955

>>34221448
You should email him again. Or comment early on a video he usually replies.

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And the serial for proof.

Webley Fosbery Self-Cocking Revolver in Scarce .38 ACP with Holster Sold to British Indian Army Officer
Manufactured in limited quantities at the turn of the 20th century. On discharge the recoil energy drives the entire upper frame back along the track recocking the hammer and advancing the cylinder. This example is chambered in scarce .38 ACP caliber. A total of 417 of these revolvers were originally manufactured in .38 ACP, but it is estimated that only 100 left the factory. The accompanying serial number research letter from Richard Milner Ltd. states that the revolver was sold by P. Webley & Son on September 19, 1903, to The Army & Navy Co-operative Stores Limited of London who sold the revolver to Major Campbell of the Indian Army on February 16, 1904. Major Campbell is General Sir Frederick Campbell (1860-1943). When he bought the revolver in early 1904, he was serving as the commanding officer for the 40th Pathans (1899-1906), an infantry regiment of the British Indian Army. While with the 40th Pathans, he participated in the Younghusband Expedition to Tibet (December 1903-September 1904). This expedition was a British invasion for the purpose of resolving a border dispute between Tibet and Sikkim and originated out of fears of a perceived Russian threat to British interests in India. The march to Lhase in August 1904 (which Campbell took part in) caused the Dalai Lama to flee to safety, ironically to China. Other career highlights include: second in command during the Malakand campaign in 1897 and during operations in Mamund country from 1897-98, and commanding officer of the Guides Infantry, Buner, North West Frontier in 1898 and 1 Peshawar Division from 1915-1919. He retired in 1920. The frame has "WEBLEY FOSBERY" and the W&S winged bullet logo followed by "38 AUTOMATIC" on the left side and an overstruck serial number on the right side ("7336" over "1126" believed to be a factory error; factory letter has serial number "1126")

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Why do some Garands have this little ring on the trigger housing group to help remove it from the stock and some don't? My Garand doesn't have it but then I see pictures of some having it. Can anyone help explain?

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>>34221954
>the trigger is amazing (second only to the 1895 for milsurp triggers).
Yup. But that's kind of unfair. The 1895 is something else entirely.

>>34222014
Sold for a little bit over the estimate there huh

>>34222066
Something about winter conditions I think.

>>34222066
Early Garands (WWII-era) had a forged trigger guard like the one pictured, but later models had a stamped trigger guard that was cheaper to manufacture.

I might be pretty lucky in that my post-Korea Springfield has a WWII-vintage Winchester trigger group with the forged guard.

>>34221448
Stick at him, keep trying to get into contact. Gonna be your best bet

>>34222096
Sold for $10K less than expected...

Last .38 Fosbery sold two years ago for $32K

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>>34221955
>>34221966
>>34222014

very nice.

question for you Boof, why do you sell guns? I've sold a few over the years, and aside from the ones I never should have bought in the first place, ive always regretted it.

Especially the nice expensive rare stuff ---- wouldn't you rather collect them and open a museum?

>>34222113
>forged
They're milled, and it's cool that you have a old trigger group from Winchester but in the end it's a mismatched rifle.

>>34219060
>>34219022
Disgusting

>>34222278
I believe they are forged with post-forging work done on the mill, but I could be mistaken. Given the irregular shape, it would require quite a bit of machine time and wasted material if they were 100% milled.

And it's a Garand made after any war in which the Garand would have been used, so fuck if I care whether or not all the parts match. It's still all USGI, which is more than you can say for most of the Garands coming out of the CMP these days.

>>34222450
They were completely milled hence the switch to the stamped version.

>inland m1 carbine for $750

will m1 carbines crash ever? or should I gun it for this one?

>>34222586
It's that or a shity auto ordnance for about the same price.

>>34222586
They might go down, but how long are you willing to wait to save a couple hundred bucks?

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I'm trying to trade my all matching 1938 SA stamped Tula mosin nagant on Texas-Gun-Trader along with some other stuff.
What's a reasonable mental price I should have when comparing it to stuff I want to trade for?

I see normal mosins going for $200-250 pretty regularly.
Would $300 trade value be too high?

>get Yugo stock and barreled action
>attempt to assemble it
>trigger guard isn't lining up with receiver to put in screws, yet both fit perfectly in the slots of the stock

So what now? Do I have to sand the stock such that I can get them to screw together?

>>34222733
Got pix? for trade value $300 is steep but not out of the question.

a few states north of you the Finn stuff gets a premium.

ask for the $300 but be willing to haggle down

anything I should look for in a C96 that I plan to shoot and modify?

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>>34223022
>modify

if you're going to bubba it you best get an Astra or a Chink clone

>>34223022
Something that isn't a C96.

>>34223022

>C96 that I plan to shoot and modify?

what kind of modifications? Either way I HIGHLY recommend you don't buy a C96 and do any modifications on it. you'll instantly devalue the firearm and effectively remove it from the market.

>>34223055
>>34223146
I plan to build a semi-auto M712 clone, which I understand requires making permanent modifications to the barrel extension by milling out the feed lips. Obviously I'd want to start with a non-matching C96 with less inherent historical value.

>>34223169

better idea: take this m712 that has been demilled and remill it.

http://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/pistols/mauser-pistols-broomhandle/mauser-westinger-schnellfeuer-model-m712-pistol-.cfm?gun_id=100116634

>>34223225
This. Please don't fuck with an actual working C96, matching or not.

Hey fellas, I've got an M43 Spanish Mauser - "Fábrica de Armas de la Coruña" stamped n' all that made in 1953. It needs a new stock, and the dude I'm working on it for wants a military style milsurp stock for it.

Now seeing as that the original stocks for the things are fucking rare beyond comprehension, I need a list of stocks that the thing could be dropped into seeing as it's a Spanish Kar98K.

I'd appreciate the hell out of ya'll giving me a hand on this, because if not, then it's just gonna sit disassembled on a shelf in the equivalent of deep-depression for a good old gun.

(and yes, I am eyeing the various stocks on Liberty Tree Collectors, but I just don't know what the fuck to grab)

So any anon know where a guy can find some decently priced 8mm? Or just any surplus 8mm overall?

>>34223225
>Price: $3,600.00

ha, no

>>34223375

on gunbroker there are a few Romanian 8mm spam cans. roughly 380 rounds for $225 which is $.59

but they are all corrosive.

>>34223404

If he manages to remill that thing to semi-auto he might be able to regain his expenditures.

The minute he fucks with the C96 he will lose damn near all that money.

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How come my mosin has these gold rings on the ends of the handguards? I've googled around and never saw another mosin that has these. Is it super rare? I was planning on selling it because the bolt is super loose and I'm not sure if it's supposed to be like that. I had another mosin that had a super tough action, not sure if that was the result of not removing all the cosmoline, but the one I have now feels like the bolt can easily pop out of battery if the handle is hit slightly.

Going to trade in my sportirised Swedish Mauser for a fully wooded one. Bolt matches the action and barrel just some of the other misc parts don't match.

It's in pretty good condition, barrel is very good.

Anything I should look out for on these? I'm more of a Lee Enfield man and don't know much about Mausers.

>>34223563
>How come my mosin has these gold rings on the ends of the handguards

those are brass bands. Those were on the early mosin nagants and they kept them in the conversion to 91/30s. the rivets holding the front band in place are probably made of either copper or aluminum.

>>34223563
It's just that they used brass, isn't it?

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>>34223563
>Never saw another mosin that has these.
There is at least one other ITT >>34218043 and some retailers use them for stock photos

>>34222740
Do you have an intermediate length trigger guard, or a full length trigger guard?

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>http://www.gunbroker.com/item/654256174

>no one else bid on it but me

okay where did I fuck up? fake m1 carbine? over paid?

>>34225005
You might just be lucky. Happens from time to time.

>>34225005

It's about the right price as far as I can see. There was 3 of them at the gun show yesterday for that price range. Sometimes you get lucky with a lowball, I got 2 Arisakas a few weeks back for $405, the lot probably should have gone for $500 or more.

Is it a good idea to buy 1 or 2 extra complete bolt assemblies for my Springfield 1903 and Ishapore 2A1? I figure I could use them in case anything happens to the current ones.

>>34225617
Why would anything happen to the first ones?

>>34225635
Wear and tear? I know it's pretty much improbable that I'd shoot enough ammo to damage them, but hey, why not?

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>>34225635
Probably get lodged up his ass.

>>34225617

I mean...it's not a BAD idea, but it's not really a good idea either. It's unlikely that you'll need a new bolt at any point unless you plan on shooting tens of thousands of rounds, and then you'll need a new barrel first.

>>34225617
No, just a waste of money. If something broke just replace that part. If you have to replace a whole bolt due to wear something is wrong.

>http://www.gunbroker.com/item/654757544

>ye old mas 49

fuck those things look cool.

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>>34225882
They're great rifles. You should buy one.

>>34225882
>Buy it now for $1000.
Fuck that.

>>34225941
That's what I paid for mine, but mine is French, not Syrian which are more common.

>>34225986
I don't know how to tell the difference between the two, but for the condition >>34225882 is in I don't know about $1k. Then again that's the "buy it now" price.

>>34226045
Syrian ones have a bayonet, French ones don't. Not to be confused with the much rarer Mas 44, which only has a bayonet and no grenade launcher.

>>34224530

The trigger guard is intermediate, as it perfectly fits the currently cut out notch.

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>>34218971
Have you tried posting to the Lee-Enfield forum on gunboards?

That feel when you want to buy something but you shouldn't spend the money because there's more things that you want to spend your money on.

>>34226341
>tfw the housing market is so hot I'll never get a house here
>maybe I'll just spend that money on guns

>>34219781
>no more turk

DON'T SAY THIS

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>>34226365

It's funny when I was a kid I always dreamed of living in a house like my parents. Now that I work and realize I live small and have no gf taking up space an apartment works fine.

>tfw probably going to be single for ever and not get a house til I am 40 or 50

Convince me not to buy a Finnish contract Carcano. Please. I really need to slow down my purchasing.

>>34226402

I know this feel. I want a house regardless, because I want a place that's purely my own, but it's most likely going to be small. There's no reason for a McMansion crammed full of garbage that I'll never use.

I'll save that money and put it towards Rootie Tootie Point and Shooties.

"The key to success as a lifelong collector is the unfettered, unapologetic ability to rationalize any purchase that piques your interest. You know you want it. You have no doubt now that you need it. You know the collection demands it.

And you know who must be obeyed.

It's time.

There should be a graven plaque on the door of every gun room or safe: Abandon all hope, ye who enter here."

I should probably buy some sort of pistol. Ive got like 11 rifles. maybe a p08 if I can find one that isnt criminally expensive

>>34226569
>There should be a graven plaque on the door of every gun room or safe: Abandon all hope, ye who enter here."
Well I know what I'm doing.
>>34226602
I have 3 milsurp pistols, all cheap slavahit. Handguns just don't generally appeal to me.

>>34226865

I plan to get pistols once I'm done with rifles.

>implying I'll ever be done with rifles.

Someday I'd like a P-08, C-96, and if I'm really lucky the CMP will finally start selling those 1911s.

>>34226916
I read that the 1911 sales are "held up by legislation" whatever the fuck that means. But I will be taking a day off work and driving to ohio the day those go on sale

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Bought a 1917 Lithgow SMLE at the gun show yesterday. She's a beauty.

>>34227030
So many lithgow in these threads. I can't find any but ishy and I don't want a pajeet rifle

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>>34227058
y tho

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>>34226992

It means the Obama administration blocked shit because criminals are going to pay twice as much for collectible guns.

>>34227058

We talking about Lithgows? Have a look at a 1941.

Vz24 In pretty good condition for 250. Crest has been scrubbed and reblued, bore looks decent. Should I buy it?

>>34227152

I would.

>>34227152
Numbers do not match, also
There is a Gew 88 rechambered for 8mm Mauser with Farsi rear sight increments, marked S and Z for 300. It's either the Gew 88 Or the VZ24

>>34226454
>not having your house(s) essentially pay for all your funs
ok

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>>34227095
I would, but it's blurry as hell.

>>34227164
gew88 hands down. where is it il buy it if you dont

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>>34227164

I still would, though I'm more interested in WW2 than pre century stuff.

>>34227179

Last time I hire that photographer, pic related.

>>34227249
IS It worth more?

>>34227259
than the vz? yeah

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>>34226413
i have one and it sucks shit.

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>>34227081
memes I guess

>>34227095
>Obama administration

lawl, it's McCain that held it up

>>34227287
just get a GR pajeet, then it was made by white people who just happened to be in india

>>34227281

In what way?

>>34227095
>>34227296
If I recall, it's actually because the release of the 1911s requires the approval of the Secretary of the Army, and Trump hasn't appointed one.

How good/bad are Ishapore Enfields anyway? Are they OK with modern .308?

Speaking of Enflields, it's really a shame to go to gunbroker and not even be able to find a WWI pattern SMLE that isn't sporterized.

Is it plausible that this will happen to Mosins relatively soon? When do the repercussions of "there are so many out there, it's ok bro" become apparent?

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>>34227164
>Farsi
Arabic, more likely. Ottoman Empire got a bunch as war aid from Imperial Germany, and Republic of Turkey may have bought more on the surplus market in the 1920s.

>>34227414
Bought the VZ24

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>>34227454
>Bought the VZ24
BRNO-fist.

I've given up on milsurp. It's getting too expensive. Consider me in exile.

My poorfag milsurp collection
>1937 Tula 91/30
>1954 ChingChongMingMongDingDong Type 53
>19xx Bulgarian Makarov

>>34227504
F

>>34227454

Nice. They aren't at the top of my list, but they're on there.

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>>34224337
I got those brass bands too.

>>34218971
Shoot that gun. Give her another chance to sing to you.

>>34223563
Speaking of the brass/copper shroud caps, do any of the laminate stock mosins come with these? I've been looking for a laminate hex with copper or brass bands forever.

>>34227483
243 dollarydoos not bad for a good shooter.

>>34227504

F

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>>34227411
SOON™

You guys into any other genres of firearms besides milsurp?
>inb4 muh AR muh 10/22

>>34228164
I love black powder and single shot firearms.

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>>34227411
Its already getting hard to find WW1 correct Mosins.

>>34228323
I passed on a Westinghouse Mosin M91 for 450, did I fuck up

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>>34228347

>>34228347
Beyond

>>34228387
>Doesn't even come with the box. What a ripoff.

>>34215935
>green sealant
those might be proofing loads.

What's a decent price for a Finnish peter the great 51" 1891 mosin?

>>34229233
400

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>>34227319
theres nothing special about it. The ammo is a pain in the dick to get (i got lucky and scored 80 rounds). and the gun is very underwhelming to shoot.

>>34229262
Well so much for that. Granted it's a very nice example but much more than $400

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Holy shit I've finally done it

>>34229698
got yourself a deal also

>>34229698
peanut butter and jelly

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Here's my new VZ24

>>34228387
This one was definitely not mint. It was SA marked.

>>34229698
GJ! Congrats!!

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My Modelo 1912/61

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>>34230322

>>34229813
should have gotten the 88

>>34230425
In time.

Has anyone ever been to the rock island auction?

on their catalog the guns are all tremendously undervalued imo. Granted its an estimation

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>>34230571
>Has anyone ever been to the rock island auction?

>implying I'm evenly remotely rich enough to be in the presence of all those fucking guns

>>34230618
Thats part of what im saying though.

https://www.rockislandauction.com/detail/1029/4569/two-nazi-german-semi-automatic-pistols#detail

>$900-1400 my ass

is shit priced low to get people in the door or something? I know its a auction and its gonna get higher but wtf is up with ""estimating"" half of what something is worth

>>34230646

>is shit priced low to get people in the door or something

they probably base the initial price on what the inspector thinks and they just low ball it.

I have seen some auctions end lower than the expected price. usually some weird ass gun that only 1 guy wants.

>>34230788
you ever buy anything there?

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>>34220076
M96 Mausers are nice.

>>34230818

oh no I have never been but rock island will post their catalog and what sold and at what price.

>>34230571
>>34230646

I submitted 16 bids (Not rich, I'd only be able to keep one lot), one of them is currently tied, 14 are beaten and one is winning. About half were near the middle of the estimate.

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>>34230302
>>34229755
>>34229714
Pics eventually

Gonna pick up a gallon of mineral spirits tomorrow and see about getting the cosmoline off my M48. Can you re-use the spirits? Or is it pretty much used up once you've cleaned a gun with it?

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What can you guys tell me about Tokarevs? I've wanted one for a while but the itch is getting stronger as of late. I'll likely settle on a Romanian since they seem to be easiest to be had at an OK price.

Romy ones seem to hover around $300 if Gunbroker is to be believed.

>>34231691
I think Yugos are cheaper than Romanians
Last I checked they were $199 on sweaty Ben dot net. I got my Romanian from J&G for 219, but I think they might be out?

>>34231778
whoops looks like Ben ran out. He only has the 9mm Zastavas now
>mfw he's charging like $18 for mags

>>34231778
I'd like to avoid Yugo anything ever personally.

>>34230646
Part of it is to entice people to sell their shit through RIA(man, this thing sold for 3x what they estimated! I better go to them). But another part of it is covering their ass. Sometimes no one wants what's being sold, or a cheap ass is the only bidder. They have to play conservative.

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>>34231790

>>34231793
Hey unrelated to milsurp but you're the only guy I know here with a Winchester 1895. I'm looking into buying a cheaper commercial model as a cool do all brush gun or hunting gun, probably in .30-40 as they're cheaper and that's a fairly easy cartridge to reload but if I can find one in 30-06 for a decent I'd rather grab that. How do you like shooting yours? I know yours isn't a commercial model but shooting wise it can't be that different. The only other lever gun I've ever shot a considerable amount is a Winchester 1894 that I grew up shooting, have you ever shot one of those and if so how did it compare to your 1895?

1895s have all the right lines and curves for me and I just love the way they look, the Russian models like yours even more so but I'm looking for something cheaper and that I don't need to worry about using and dinging it up. I'm 100% fine with buying a cheap gun with 0% bluing as long as it's mechanically good and the wood isn't terrible.

>>34232535

>.30-40
>Cheap

Think you mean .30-30...

>>34232535
The 1895 has a reputation for punishing recoil, mostly due to the stock design and being chambered for particularly large cartridges. The musket versions seem to get around this as a result of the extra weight of the stock.

in .30-40 you'll probably be okay given that it is somewhat underpowered, but it's something to keep in mind.

>>34232549
he means that 1895s in .30 Krag tend to be the cheapest models, which is 100% true

>>34232565

Ah, nevermind then...

>>34232549
No, Winchester 1895s in .30-40 are in general on the cheap side compared to others in different calibers. 1895s weren't offered in .30-30. .30-40 is appealing for me in these rifles because the rifles are cheaper and .30-40 is a fairly easy cartridge to reload.

>>34232557
Yeah I've read that they're not entirely peasant to shoot but I figure that'd be another plus for .30-40 as it should be easier to underload it for just plinking while using full power loads for actual use and hunting or whatever.

time for a new thread

>>34231691
I have a few, they are awesome, more accurate than you would expect. from a manufacturing and engineering standpoint, they are genius. it achieves what a 1911 does, with the simplest machining operations. The grip angle is trash, dirty, dirty, euro, trash. Shoot one handed, tilted to the left, apparently its how they were taught to shoot them, probably bs, but it helps. The grip angle sucks cocks, its bad.

>>34232535
>How do you like shooting yours?
Its unfair to compare the 1895 to other milsurps. It's smooth, has a better trigger than anything (even a k31) and just handles and points incredibly well. Recoil, at least with my reloads, is no worse than a Mosin or other similar milsurp. The only difficulty you're likely to run into is reloading without a charger bridge can be a bit unusual at first. Overall It's a 10/10 rifle, at least in terms of fun and enjoyment.
>>34232557
>The 1895 has a reputation for punishing recoil, mostly due to the stock design and being chambered for particularly large cartridges.
Yeah pretty sure it was just the 405 chambering with that reputation, which also had a sharper curve to the butt than most other models.

Can anyone tell me anything about Czech 8mm surplus? No idea on headstamp or date, but it looks kind of rough.

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>>34233037
Good ammo if it's been stored correctly.
>but it looks kind of rough.

Pics? Or at least describe what you mean by "rough". Generally, if the cartridge case has active corrosion on it that leaves discoloration behind when I clean it off I don't shoot that ammo. Can you still hear loose powder flakes inside the case?

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>>34233053
Well, there's the problem. I'm trying to decide if I want to buy it, and the picture is a bit shit. This is the only picture (size and all). Looks like a mix of cupro-nickel and copper jackets, some corrosion, but it's really hard to tell.

I'm probably better off just getting PPU and reloading it. Anyone have any good loads? Any particular powder? I was thinking of IMR 4895 because I also intend to load for my M1, which sort of requires that powder.

>>34233079
Price per round? Also find out the headstamp.