Why aren't 7.62 NATO bullpups more popular?

>>34213855
Because bullpups are ugly

>>34213860
kys

Because the few that exist are either fucking horrible (Various M1A conversions), total vaporware (Saritch, RFB, MDR, etc.) or prohibitively expensive/totally unattainable in the US (DSR1, DTA SRS).

>>34213895
But the pic in the OP comes in at under $2k, has one of the best triggers on a bullpup, and is well balanced. It's also already in production.

.308 rifles are less popular in general
Bullpup rifles are less popular in general
Combine those and you have the not-very-common category of bullpup .308s

>>34213932
.308's are plenty popular. Just see the huge resurgence of the AR-10 in the past few years.

>>34213905
Personally, never heard of it and dont really care for it when $2k will get me a second hand SCAR 17s or DD.308. I imagine that's true for most people.

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Think about it, pullpups are mostly so that you can have a full length barrel in a compact rifle, now why would you want a compact rifle? For close quarters combat obviously, but the thing is that you might as well use an intermediate caliber for that, rifle calibers like 7.62x51 are more suitable for longer ranges where the length of the rifle is irrelevant.

>>34213905
The metal handguard heats up like crazy when you shoot it.

Man why'd they change to an aluminum lower for the m17 when the design was goddamn perfect for a plastic lower??

>>34213905
>$2k

and yet you don't see a fucking problem here

>>34213952
>>34214037
>being poor

>>34214033
Because that's where a lot of the problems stemmed from.

>>34214044
>Having $2k+ to buy a .308 range toy
>Preferring to pic proven quality brands over unproven no-name gun makes me poor
?

>>34214057
>$2k now is $2k+
Also, what proven brands make a .308 bullpup that has the features the M17s308 has?

>>34214056
Oh? Interesting, what kind of problems? To me the design seems pretty great for a plastic lower setup since all the stress is pretty much handled by the extruded aluminum upper.

>>34214044
heh first of all i am not even burger i am swiss and just happen to be the real definition of mountain jew (my family is into banking)

yet i understand that hi price is probably the biggest undoing of anything when there are alternatives

i just recently came back from usa
and 2k usd, witch in my understanding is cheap for bullpup, seems a lot when you can get much cheaper conventional rifles

a fucking 2k gun should have trigger that gives you blowjobs and not just be fairly good because a 2k ar will be fucking out of this world

and this is why bullpups are not more popular, they are to expensive, there main attraction point for military serves little functionality in civilian world but comes with all negatives and with premium price to boot

>>34214091
Looks up the original M17. On top of some weird feature stuff, it had reliability and functionality issues.

>>34214101
It literally has one of the best bullpup triggers mechanically possible. Your arguments clearly have nothing to do with the rifle and just your disdain for bullpups. Fuck off already

>>34214130
sorry for intruding into your bullpup safe space, cary on

>>34214067
>Also, what proven brands make a .308 bullpup that has the features the M17s308 has?
Nobody really, but as the other guy said, being bullpup isn't really a valuable feature in a .308. Your overall question was ostensibly "Why does nobody care about the M17s308?", and that's the answer; because anybody who wants to buy a semi .308 is going to want to get something proven from a known brand, such as FN, Colt, LMT or DD, rather than being beta tester for an unknown mom-and-pop business.
You're taking this whole thing weirdly personally, so lets not dick around much longer, you're a K&M Arms employee aren't you?

>>34214137
>Swiss fag just mad that he has to pay 3000 Euro for an AR

>>34213855
>2017
>Eating brass

Why wouldn't they take the simple step to make it forward or downward ejecting?

>>34214138
Or perhaps... Radom?
The MSBS might come in .308 someday. Still has the brass in face issue, so I'm holding out for an RDB in .308.

>>34214138
Oh yeah, clearly anyone who doesn't suck on of the big brands' dick is a shill, right?

>>34214173
Instead you're sucking the dick of a complete unknown quantity, while making unsubstantiated claims like "It literally has one of the best bullpup triggers mechanically possible". Screams shill desu.

>>34214199
Just look at the fucking reviews on the thing

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>>34214138
>being bullpup isn't really a valuable feature in a .308
absolutely wrong. In a 7.62x51/.308 rifle, a sub-16" barrel doesn't properly stabilize the round, since it's a full-power rifle cartridge. The only way to make a proper .308 rifle in a compact package is to make a bullpup, as an SBR would just be wasted potential.

>>34214130
Dude it literally just has your basic pullpup style trigger ie. ordinary trigger system + a transfer bar.

>>34214251
It's literally not JUST a transfer bar. It pulls instead of pushes.

>>34213863
No u

>>34214259
Dude cmon now, who would be retarded enough to use a transfer bar that pushes, that would be retarded, i mean for it not to flex you would need to make it hella thick.

>>34213855
Perfect weapon for a hostile indoor encounter with a gorilla. As far as I know though, that's never happened.

>>34214280
>Forgetting Harambe

>>34214275
And look at the thing, how it's layed out, etc that plus the fact that it's working on a fucking elfman trigger in the rear. The transfer bar is a solid steel bar, set in guide rails, actuating on polished surfaces, with a mechanism that equally transfers the energy over.

>>34214286
It's laid out the exact same way as every single other pullpup trigger that use the transfer bar + ordinary trigger system layout. The good trigger system in the back is probably what makes all the difference.

Honestly i'd say that pullpup triggers in general get a bad rep because of manufacturers cutting corners there or something, pullpup triggers have the potential to be almost exactly as good as ordinary triggers.

>>34214338
And how does that in any way interfere with my claim that it's one of the better bullpup triggers out there? Are you fucking thick in the head

>>34214338
>pullpup

>>34213895
>RFB
>vaporware
Wut? Almost every gunshop I walk into has them for sale.

>>34213855
Akward reload and not ambidextrous friendly

>>34214361
whoops
>>34214345
You made it seem like it is somehow special when in reality it's just your basic bullpup style trigger nothing more, nothing less.

>>34214381
It is special because they did it right unlike most bullpup rifles that have shit triggers because, like you said, they cut corners.

>>34214345
>Getting progressively more irate and disparaging as thread goes on
>But would still claim not to have a personal stake in the gun
Almonds: Activated

>>34214375
The reload isn't even awkward. Have you even loaded a bullpup or are you going off youtube reviews by guys trying to justify their AR collection?

Many new ones are lefty friendly. The design is being perfected so that some rifles are fully ambidextrous, have good triggers, and even adjustable stocks.

>>34214285
It's been a year but I'm still keeping my dick out for Harambe.

>>34214402
I mean yeah it's not all "that" awkward but like think about it, with conventional rifles the reload happens like right there before your eyes so you can very easily coordinate your hand movements in conjunction with what your eyes see but with bullpups the reload happens quite close to your armpit so you have to turn your head downwards to coordinate your hands and that is somewhat awkward.

>>34214385
That's like saying that a $25 AR trigger mechanism is somehow the wrong way to do an AR trigger and a $200 trigger is the right way. The mechanism is exactly the same but the trigger system is just a bit nicer.

>>34214418
Do you need to look for the pedals on your car before you operate it?
How many times do you need to check the outside of it until you can work out which bit of surface opens the door?
Once, twice and it's committed to memory.
I fail to understand how difficult it is to switch to having an indicator stalk on the other side of the column.

;)

>>34214247
I think where the poster you replied to is coming from is that the civilian market don't put a premium or even care about a compact package. Definitely being compact has its value if you are a paratrooper or fight in dense brush. For most other applications, you're better off with an AR-10 or other more familiar options.

>>34214479
What about fighting from a vehicle or indoors? There are plenty of realistic scenarios where not having a fucklong gun is beneficial.

An AR10 is the worst thing for vehicular applications because the damn stock doesn't even fold.

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>>34214522
But surely that's why you carry one of these too.
Don't forget ammunition commonality.

>>34214421
The mechanism isn't entirely the same AFAIK, the transfer bar pulls forward on the sear rather than pushing backwards against it, which most bullpups do.
I do think they put more polish into it than most, however.

>>34214522
Doesn't really matter if the stock folds or not, because you'd never really shoot with a folded stock regardless of your weapon.

Folding stocks are for storage, not tight quarters fighting.

>>34214023
This guy is on the fucking money, by the way.

Battle rifles are not for CQB, so why make your bullpup a .308 if CQB is your goal?

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>>34214687
280 British is where it is/was ought to have been at.

I wonder why no one does a bullpup with a 20" barrel. It seems like it'd be a decent way to get maximum efficiency with minimum overall length.

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>>34214802
Clearing a room oughtn't be an issue.

>>34214802
Like an SA80?

>>34214894
the total length would begin to be much less ideal fighting through doorways
If I wanted a bullpup for CQB I'd prefer 18" max

>>34214130
>best bullpup trigger possible
Says who? Them or a reviewer who got the fucking thing for FREE?
They say the same shit about the RDB and that ones the good kind of ambidextrous
Just needs a better mag release design
Probably a button in a similar location to the SA80 but ambi

>>34214755
.280 British is overrated as fuck, it basically had two different loadings, a light one for rifles, and a hot one for machineguns, and they weren't compatible with one another.

Having a proper dedicated assault rifle and a proper dedicated general purpose machinegun lets both perform better.
The EM2 was also kind of shit.

>>34214894
that would be less than ideal for clearing rooms.

>>34215096
280 never had a chance because AMERICA FUCK YEAH 7.62 and then AMERICA FUCK YEAH 5.56.
What do you want us to use next oh masters of the fucking universe.
22lr ?

>>34215106
Probably. It'd make you want to be elsewhere though.

>>34213855
bullpups in general are a meme

>>34215110
Just because 7.62mm NATO isn't a solid choice for an infantry rifle doesn't mean .280 was really much better.

5.56mm is excellent as it is, despite current fag wailing from the DOD, it's not being replaced for American forces.

>>34214373
You sure youre not seeing rdb's

>>34214247
>posting the lmao3moa

>>34213895
>MDR
I've just about given up on that ever existing. It is the StarCraft Ghost of guns.

>>34215110
Probably 6.5 LSAT

>>34215430
I've never seen an RDB but two local shops always have an RFB on the wall.

>>34213855
Because bullpups are a meme with no real benefits.

>>34214637
>.223
>Short barrel

>>34215430
I fucking wish RDBs were as easy to get as RFBs

>>34217871
Pointless POS used to make a point.

>>34213895
I have an rfb and I love it. Def not vapor ware

>>34218829
Soon to be discontinued by a .308 version of the RDB though.

I'd have an RDB by now if the mag release button wasn't in such a retarded spot.