Gas Mask Thread: Cold War Edition

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I think soviet masks are cool af.
Something about them just seems ominous, or evil and uncaring.

>>34208134
>/k/ hates gas masks
What the fuck? I think more people here have gas masks than guns. Summer pls go and stay go

>>34208134
>>34209136

Its called a respirator...

Are you my mummy?

>>34209245
more like the gay

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theres just not much to discuss besides "will this filter kill me"

I like the GP-5, it's cheap, looks cool and the asbestos might even kill me

>>34209637
If it says it's a charcoal filter it's safe right?

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>>34209721
depends more on what specific model of filter it is

>>34209779
Say a Russian coffee can charcoal filter

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>>34209840
basically maybe, depends on if its damaged/falling apart or not. Pic related

Why are gas masks erotic to me

>>34209865
Because you're a sick fuck.
Or because you get off to the breath control aspect.

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>>34209840
if you're buying a new filter just get something like an "expired" 3m fr-64. They cost just a little more than old russian filters and I have personally confirmed that even the expired 3m fr-64 and fr-15 filters can defeat high concentrations of chlorine gas. Theres a bunch of fr-64 on ebay for under $20

>>34209840
If it's a Soviet-era filter, do not risk it. I have heard that after 1980 they stopped making them with asbestos in them but appearantly some made after 1980 have been found to have asbestos. Just don't bother with the Soviet filters, most of their masks are 40mm thread. My GP-5 can fit a C2A1 filter just fine.

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>>34209637

Then people need to stop buying shit-tier random surplus masks

>>34209965
That's a shame because the A E S T H E T I C is a large part of it

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>>34209779
that guy's got purdy eyes

>>34210094
as long as the filter isnt falling apart 99% chance you'll be fine. Just make sure dust isnt falling out of it.
>>34210100
its a girl(female)

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>>34209779
>>34209895
a-are you a grill

What's the most intimidating mask out there?

>>34210232
That an actual M9A1 I see in there or just an M61?

>>34210232
God those israeli masks are hideous.

>>34209895
>personally confirmed
>Chlorine gas
ah the maga hat makes no sense

>>34208134
The 3M kind...

I only have a U.S. Navy M17A1 mask that my dad gave me. Other than that, I really like those masks from WWI, I think they are called "goomy Masks" something like that.

>>34209965
do you have a source or do are you just shitting out of your ass like every other knowledge master on gas masks

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>>34210500
My source is videos of dissections of GP-5 filters as well as a chart from people who collect gas masks and know about them. Pic is the chart.

>>34210686
Just going to add. Some of it is however just hearsay, one person has said that some late Soviet filters only have 1% white asbestos in them that isn't unsafe until the filter deteriorates. Either way you just shouldn't be buying old filters really.

I have a white GP-5. I also got a PBF,
black GP-5 and a PMK-2 on the way as we speak. Russian masks always looked the coolest imho.

>>34210686
give me a video then I don't care about your speculations
I collect gas masks, I know about them
do I get credibility at all?

also the porkchop filter in that infographic is the wrong filter. That's actually a czech m10 fiberglass filter.

>>34210839
xm40 definitely the coolest looking gas mask evar

>>34209637
Which one of these three should I get?

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>>34210957
I only have a millennium but as far as I know
MCU
>-lense gets all yellow
>-vulnerable to blister agents
>+has drinking tube
Millennium
>+basically an MCU with the above issues fixed
>+also has drinking tube
Advantage 1000
>no drinking tube as far as I know
aiming a gun is a pain in the ass while wearing all 3 without a special visor stock for your gun

>>34211030
Looks like I'll be going for the Millennium then

>>34211030
also iirc the advantage 1000 doesnt use 40mm filters without an adapter.

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Why does every red neck piece of shit adore the 556 platform?
Is this shit even effective? I hear horror stories all the time from operators claiming they shot some thing and the round just slithered right through, or shot some jihad in the chest 6 times but he kept going.

Yet I also hear some people say they have seen what a serious 223 wound will do and how violent they can get.

Does anyone have any statistics on this?
Is the x39 better in every concievable way?

>>34208134
My favorite is the GP5, because it's cheap and easy to find.

>>34211059
you present a very good question but I'm pretty sure you're lost

>>34210904
Here's a video, I can't find the dissection one I had seen before unfortunately.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2qGndGZs-c
There has appearantly been a study done in Norway (I think) which showed GP-5 filters tested positive for asbestos, but I can't find the actual study or anything on it. At this point though I am not sure, people say they don't have asbestos, people say they do, or people say there's only a chance of it. I would take apart my GP-5 filter, made in 1974 according to the print on it, but I don't have the tools for it. Either way, I won't be using it, too much uncertainty.

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wow just getting back to this thread thought it would get ignored like the last one

>>34209245
also get out britbong

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>>34209032
ominous presence is actually one of the things considered when designing a gas mask.
avon rubber sells a mirrored lens for their M50/C50/M53 masks purely for "intimidation factors"

Pic semi-related, scariest mask I own probably.

>>34211278
wait do you honestly not own a can opener?

>>34209990
What is that? It almost looks like an M-50

>>34211522
That's an M53. It's like an M50, but with 40mm threads and a different voicemitter/outlet assembly.

>>34211501
I do but from what I understand the metal is rather tough and thick, that and I don't want to make a mess or risk asbestos getting into the air if there is any in the filter. There's probably some power tools up in the barn I could open it up with but it would likely result in metal shavings everywhere.

>>34211558
Yeah you have a good point

Honestly I'm really not that worried about cancer just cause we can cure most kinds already so there's that. But also I don't even believe any of the common gp-5 and gp-7 filters have asbestos so there isn't even a problem in the first place

and lucky me the fear mongering drives down the prices.

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>>34210232
I own the Israeli mask second to bottom left. I love it because it doesn't look otherworldly, it looks more like something demented from this planet. I could just be confusing it with the Pyro's mask, or I could just like the DKoK too much, though. Made a hose filter for it, used it as a Death Korps mask for a costume competion a few years back - when I was really vehemently into Warhammer.

>>34210252
In my opinion, the S6 or the Avon S10, but that could just be the fact I'm really into the Cold War-era SAS, and the fact they explicitly use masks for the shock value.

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>>34211357
Jesus Christ, picture seeing that coming out of a trench at you.

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>>34211651
WWI prototype masks were spoopy af

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>>34211671
Hell yeah. A lot of stuff about World War I was spoopy.

Also a little sad because it was the final death toll for the idea that war is glamorous.

>>34211379
Yeah I think that qualifies as scary. What is it?

>>34211708
George Carlin's Hardcore History has a great series on that

>>34212402
link?

Are there any can type filters out there that are safe? Just wouldn't feel authentic without using a proper can at end of the hose

>>34212581
https://www.etsy.com/listing/275614090/gas-mask-filter-40mm-new-respirator?&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=shopping_us_b-craft_supplies_and_tools-other&utm_custom1=eb3449e5-6e54-4c8a-9982-de271d0f0b2e&gclid=CO6NisK7stQCFRUlgQodLz8HIQ
i'd trust my lungs to one of these

I was actually about to post this in QTDDTOT, but this thread is probably more appropriate.
Do I pretty much need to budget to spend $150-250 to get a mask worth a fuck? I've been looking into lower cost surplus masks, and they generally seem to be pretty useless.
I live next to some pretty major railroad tracks and would like to be prepared in case of a wreck or similar chemical incident. And of course, muh SHTF.

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>>34208134

>>34212610
a surplus Israeli mask is going to do as much for you as one of these
>>34209637

>>34212364
Not him but M2-10A1-6. They are pretty rare iirc.

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>>34212364
>>34212662
Mine was actually in pretty shit shape when I first got it. Had to restore it.

if I wanted a $100 (or less) mask/respirator for the happening/LARPing as an operator what should i get?

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>>34212620
Apperail Tissot Mle.1916
The first gas mask to have "Tissot Tubes", which direct inhaled air over the lenses to defog them.

>>34212688
you can get MSA millenniums on ebay for under $100

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>>34212705
Was also one of the first masks to use a solid rubber facepiece, rather than chemically-soaked fabric, rubberized cloth or leather. Was very bulky and fragile and only used by machine-gunners, artillerymen, and engineers. The U.s. tinkered with them and copied it's principles into lighter, more durable designs.

>>34212688
Israeli civvie? If you are actually going to use your mask in a life or death situation I recommend using it as little as possible if you are not going to use it for a legitimate purpose as you may lower the quality/break the materials of the mask with alot of use. For LARPing any surplus russian mask is good and they are also very cheap. I wouldn't use them for a dire situation tho and Isreali masks are pretty uncomfortable.

>>34212737
I've never had a problem with comfort in israeli masks and they're overall more than capable of protecting someone. You probably got a wrong size.

>>34212752
You're probably right.

>>34212706
>>34212737
Thanks for the reccomendations. any reason I would choose one over the other other than looks?

>>34212826
The MSA millennium is a NIOSH certified CBRN air purifying respirator. It also has a side mounted filter.

Does the mask supports any kind of filter whatsoever or older masks will only be available with those filters that cancer you?

>>34210686
Why do literally all the coffee cans have asbestos
it's not fair

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how practical is a full mask and nvg combo? Are you better off using a half mask and goggles?

>pic related

>>34208134
/k/ doesn't hate gas masks. We're just not into the fetishism of it, and all true /k/ommandos are trained to shoot Snorks on sight. Gas masks are as cool if not cooler than most other militaria you can collect. It's better if you can get good, working filters, though.

>>34213102
>better off melting your fucking eyes out of your skull so you can try to see in the dark

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What would you use in place of this filter since it apparently contains asbestos?

>>34213259
Try to see the requirements of the filter.

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looking at a SGE 400/3
anyone have experience with one?

Never understood you gas mask fetishists. Have you never used one properly? Have you not served in the military? Gas masks are horrible and uncomfortable.

>>34213719
year it's garbage, sweaty, uncomfortable.
more to do with aesthetic desu

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I currently own one of those russian PMK-1s and an MSA Millenium with 40mm adapters.

Used to have a PBF but the hood portion decayed pretty bad, I neglected it.

Respirators are neat to own

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>>34210202
I think it's a real grill anon, and not even one with a suspiciously large adams apple!

>>34209846
>>34210686
Stop using this chart. It was made by a fetishist who knows little to nothing about the filters and just made a bunch of guesses.
There's a fuck ton of mistakes and wrong names give, too.

>>34212681
what did that entail?

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>>34215286
Cleaning up the rubber, cementing the hose back into the chinpiece of the mask, replacing the missing wire and tape, etc.
It came without the hose and filter attached, but I completely disassembled it for the full restoration process.

>>34210232
Have fun with that blue asbestos in your m65 lmao

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>>34215321
>>34215286
While it was disassembled and while I was waiting to get the materials for the restoration, I slapped on other spare parts I have from other masks just for the meme.

>>34210264
Yugoslavian m1 or mc1. I have the mc1

>>34210296
Yeah but theyre some of the best quality masks you can get man. For a country under constant threat of chemicals amd gas youd need good protection, right?

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>>34215331
and of course the restoration turned out fine when i got to it.
let me tell you, it's hard af to find the type of fabric tape used to make these masks.

>>34213098
Because they stopped making coffee can filters in the 70s numbnuts

>>34215353
Russians still make them today, though. Most of the GP-5/ShM-62 kits with hoses and coffee can filters on eBay are 1990-produced and up.
Russia also still makes ShM-62 (GP-5) facepieces, too.

>>34215134
THIS. 100 PERCENT. 0 fucking sources on like anything jfc, everyone throws this around like gospel

>>34215360
But the shm-62s dont usually come with coffee can filters to my knowledge unless theyre the black ones. Also kudos for calling the facepiece by the name as opposed to the kit's name

>>34215367
Link to the person's DA where he posted this chart.
I generally have no problem with fetishists enjoying masks for sexual purposes
but they shouldn't fucking act like any authority or source of knowledge if their only affiliation with gas masks is to jerk off to them.
http://g45m45k.deviantart.com/art/Filter-Danger-Chart-386336713

>>34215387
Black ones are later production, color doesn't specify any role or partcular usage, it's just Russia deciding that the white rubber they used before was shit (it discolors and degrades much faster than black), and then made the switch t black rubber in the 80's.
and thank

>>34215346
Where did yiu find the tape? I've been looking for some

>>34215542
I forgot the site unfortunately.

>>34215360
So you're suggesting that 1990 and up drum/coffee can filters are safe?

>>34215687
Safer than anything dated prior, at least.

>>34210232
What is the mask bottom row, middle?

>>34215711
Serbian M1/M59
Copy of American M9A1.

>>34211708
>Also a little sad because it was the final death toll for the idea that war is glamorous.
lol wut? Dude kids still grow up thinking war is awesome and stroll happily into their recruiting station to sign up for 3-4 years. I was one of them. CoD, SoF, and all the various gun rags had me thinking strolling through the desert blasting sand niggers would be the coolest shit.

>>34213719
Better to be sweaty and uncomfortable than trying to wash tear gas out of your eyes. Gas masks are for LARPing or preparing for civil unrest. No one really expects to go into a CBRN environment with one.

>>34215739
At least y'all haven't had a real war since Vietnam

>>34215759
Eh, GW1/2 were real wars, however one sided they were. I wasn't around for GW2 but I know a guy who was awarded a Bronze Star w/ V device for killing a literal platoon sized group of insurgents right after the invasion with an M2 so I'm not going to pretend just because they were one sided doesn't mean they weren't filled with heavy fighting.

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>>34213259
Any modern 40mm GOST filters or NATO STANAG filters with a bit of force.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOPSMsIzo88&ab_channel=Weaponsandstuff93

>>34215913
I don't advise you do this. You'll strip the threads and risk leaks

>>34215799
I meant casualty wise. It's not like you had kids thinking it was gonna be irl cowadooty and then getting maimed by artillery, gassed, and shot by the thousands.

>>34215739
No, the old idea in the civillian populace as a whole that War Is An Adventure, full of Fully Correct, Well Rewarded, Morally Upstanding Hero-Commanders (see Custer and the cult of personality he had).

In the First World War, war didn't seem as whimsical as it had before and the consequences were far more horrendus than anything that had come before.

>>34211055
This.
They use proprietary bayonet connectors

>>34215949
>It's not like you had kids thinking it was gonna be irl cowadooty and then getting maimed by artillery, gassed, and shot by the thousands.
That's exactly what happened in Iraq and Afghanistan though. There were even a handful of IEDs made using old gas shells from Saddam's armories.
>>34215955
>No, the old idea in the civillian populace as a whole that War Is An Adventure, full of Fully Correct, Well Rewarded, Morally Upstanding Hero-Commanders (see Custer and the cult of personality he had).
>Who is SecDef Mattis, Gen. Dunford, Gen. Odierno?
Nothing has changed dude.

>>34215327
have a source for that?

the imperial war museum has said that pretty much all ww2 british masks contain asbestos,
http://ibasecretariat.org/gas_masks_imperial_war_mus_guid_dec_7_2004.pdf
not the russian ones they tested though.

>>34216665
The m65 wasnt wwii, it was vietnam, and its known that china uses asbestos in their early gas masks

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I have these

>>34217487
What's the one on the right? Thing looks sick

I have a Finnish 3rd Gen mask that I use at work when spraying large amounts of solvent under trucks. Works like a charm but filters are hard to find because of the 60mm threads. Fortunately adapters are cheap and now I can run nato 40mm cans on it.

>>34215978
why would a gas mask have a bayonet adapter

>>34217532
In case you're not trolling, a bayonet adapter is an adapter that you slot in, and twist, like mounting a bayonet.

>>34217497
look up grasshopper mask

unfortunately it is literally only riot control
no charcoal filters were ever produced for it.

>>34217569
Official designation was the XM28E4 or "M28 Riot Control Mask"
Was also one of the first gas masks in our military made out of silicone, not counting prototype masks.

>>34217604
How does filtration work in it?

>>34217604
yeah I don't really have the capacity to remember all those numbers for literally every single military related item
I'll just call it by the nickname if it doesn't mean anything to you.

>>34217646
fiberglass filter I think

>>34216723
in a quick search the only hard testing i came up with was by the iwm and they were still pretty tight lipped about what they tested. your telling me that china used asbestos carries about as much weight as my telling you that i fart pixie dust. same problem with that infographic made by "someone who know's gasmasks" link to credible results of scientific tests, anything short of that one way or the other is just hearsay.

>>34215575
Damn, I used to have an old roll of the stuff and it made awesome grips on any wood handles tools. No idea what to even google

>>34218806
i guess just look up "fabric tape"

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>Blowjob Soon Stalker

>>34220618
i would imagine this would be realy impractical, as the penis would take longer to reach the mouth, going in and out, it would not be contstantly inside the wearer's mouth, thus leading to frequent accidental teeth scrapage.

>>34220742
that's what ring gags are for


so anyone interested in doing some digging with me about solid reports of asbestos in various masks? i started poking around and it seems every account is copied from wikipedia. which has an unsourced lab report and this
http://www.cwunea.org/article.php?articleid=1233
for sources. that report seems like its wrong as it's directly at odds with the other reports that seem less like cribbed pr releases.
http://www.juac.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2015/06/Gas-Masks-Warning.pdf
http://ibasecretariat.org/gas_masks_imperial_war_mus_guid_dec_7_2004.pdf

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Reminder that the M17 is the MOST aesthetic gas mask

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>>34221348
hmmm

>>34221311
reports of asbestos in russian filters to clarify, the british are pretty confident most of the things they've ever made will kill them.

>>34221438
https://www.mesotheliomahelpnow.com/blog/halloween-gas-mask-tests-positive-for-asbestos/

>>34221348
The most aesthetic SOMETHING is in that picture but it sure ain't that mask

>>34216379
Not him, but I seriously encourage you to ask a handful of people if they know who any of those people are. Not only am I pretty damn sure that most people will only recognize Mattis, I guarantee you there will be no consensus that he's a morally upstanding hero.

>>34215955
>>34216379
Not sure about US but here in Bongland the First World War fucked our entire national mentality. It's hard to be gun-ho when entire villages virtually lose their entire male populations. The whole reason we put off an invasion of France in WW2 was because we were terrified that it might devolve into attritional warfare like last time, so instead we used our Navy and Air Force in Europe and fought a peripheral war in Africa and the colonies.

>>34211059
>Does anyone have any statistics on this?
Yeah, operators switch to mk 262, the rest of the military is adopting M855A1 in preparation for fighting Russians.
>Is the x39 better in every concievable way?
Worse actually. Beyond nearly useless beyond 400m, while mk262 has been found by the army to have "acceptable" legality out to 700m.

How do I ID filters?
Ages ago I bought what I think is an old British gas mask which came with a filter, and young dumb me put it on and fucked around with it for ages. Later on I read that the filter might have asbestos, called the shop, and the fucking guy had no idea.

If I recall correctly, the one marking I remember was "84", and the mask was I believe a MK II Light Anti-gas Respirator. Which means it was 60mm.

How can I find out if I've got asbestosis now?

>>34223913
1: Cool your titties, the asbestos scare with gas masks should just be considered a meme at this point.
2: The LAGR's were used into the 60's, so it's possible the filter did have asbestos, but unless the filter was damaged severely, it's unlikely any if not a miniscule, microscopic amount reached your lungs.