/PSG/ Precision Shooting General -- Colors other than black edition

Oh shiiieeeet. Time for new pics!

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>>34202484

I actually can't find any pics from this past weekend, I did some ~525 yd shooting and all the pictures are gone Q.Q

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>dem accurate Mosins

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>>34202484
Hah! Found the bugger I was looking for. The CZ (wood) is a ton of fun, I think I'm going to get it threaded even though the trigger is absolute dog shit (CZ 513, not the 455/452). The Tikka is a 24" CTR in 6.5CM

>>34202623
Did you do anything to your bolt to shine it up?

Mine isn't Rusty but I can see some dingy spots and want to shine it up but not ruin the markings

>>34202757

>Tikka is a 24" CTR in 6.5CM

More about that rig. How many shots until you see vertical stringing with that barrel? It looks a little on the medium/thin side.

>>34202794
I've only got about 250 rounds through it so far, and I have not looked specifically at that. I did switch from a T3 hunter to this specifically for more barrel meat though.

I only have one mag so I'm shooting about one every 10-20 seconds until I take 2 minutes to load it. At 400-1000yds, I'm not seeing any POI shift during 120rds of shooting that I did, but perhaps I should go back to paper and do a 20rd volley to see.

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Bought a mossberg mvp in .223/5.56
Action is sloppy but has a great trigger and males pretty good groups with american eagle fmjs
Sorry about the background lol

>>34202882

With my 300wm Sendero, I'll get stringing within 6 or 7 rounds. And that's a reasonably heavy profile. But I'm also burning a LOT more powder with that round.

>>34202471

VINEGAR
SHIT
DICK
FAGBECUE

>>34202914

I have the factory chassis MVP in 308 with a fluted bolt/barrel, it really smooths out the action.

I get just under 1 MOA with 168 gr FGMM. I really love using pmags with it though, they're miles ahead of AICS mags.

>>34202921

Put your trip on BUTTES

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>>34202471

GAY

THREAD

>>34202917
Dang. How much POI shift are we talking about?

I'm doing 41.7gr of Reloder 16 w/ the Nosler RDF 140's, so probably a bit less powder. My 338LM is doing like 87gr of H1000 I think.

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>>34202941

ASHES
TO ASHES

CRUST
TO CRUST

>>34202951

About 1.5-2" within that time frame.

I'm dropping 68 gr IMR 4350 under a 190 gr SMK.

>>34202971
Wow. That's quite a lot of shift. I hope mine isn't doing that. I was hitting really good groups at distance (4" at 800yds) but I'm not sure if my adjustments accounted for POI shift that wouldn't be there cold bore. The barrel never got terribly hot (not more than 150F judging by feel) throughout the day, even with 75F day and full sun.

>>34202933
Nice, what kinda optics are you using?
Also those dubs

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>>34203222

Yeah, that barrel gets hot FAST. If I go slow and let the barrel cool fully, it's a .75 MOA gun at 100 yds.

>>34203258

Vortex Viper PST 6-24x50 MRAD with the EBR-2c tree reticle, which is amazing.

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>>34203285

>which is amazing.

The reticle, I mean. The optic/glass are price point. Great for what you pay, but can't compete with a Razor or Nightforce.

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Put new TriggerTech trigger in. Not same as old TriggerTech. Am disappointed with overtravel and new higher price. Still good trigger.

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22 muster race

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>>34203340
yiss

>>34203326

>snowflake trigger

Just get the Timney, Burt. We all know how good they are.

>>34203340
>>34203349

I find it strange that all my 22s have a lot more trouble with Federal Auto Match than they do with the regular old bulk box.

>>34203326
Bergara?

>>34203295
After having a Gen2 Razor (and recently selling it), I can't find the want for an optic pricier than the pst. The glass, reticle, weight, and mag range are perfect for me. Usually 3/4 of the days I go out shooting, there's so much mirage and wind that I can't even see difference between that and my PA 4-14.

>>34203340
>>34203349
Is there a cheap stock for a mk fv sr that's vertical grip?

>>34203389

I've been mostly happy with the Viper optics, but I ran into an issue recently. I switched to a 20 MOA ADM Recon mount on my precision AR, and the Viper 6-24x50 doesn't have enough internal adjustment to zero at 100 yds. I can't decide if I want to push it to a 200 yd zero or swap the mount back to a 0 MOA ADM.

Mirage is pretty good where I shoot up in the mountains of WV, I rarely have to deal with it unless it's a particularly bad day.

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>>34203421
>>34203407

I could also swap the optic with the 4-16x Viper on my 300wm, since it has more internal adjustment, but I really don't want to.

I want to keep the higher mag on the AR for varmint purposes.

>>34203421
That is quite odd. Are you sure you pulled out all of the zero stop rings? Mine zero'd fine on my 20MOA base on the above CTR.

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>>34203376
But the Timney doesn't have Canadian roller technology for a LITERALLY ZERO GREEP BULL

Also Automatch is garbage ammo in my experience, I'm shocked that they charge so much.

>>34203389
HMR yeah

>>34203407
I wouldn't think so, and can't find any. It pretty much goes up from Boyd's to chassis'.

>>34203421
Are you putting a 20 MOA mount on a 20 MOA rail? That could do it.

>Precision shooting
>Vortex optics

>>34203455

>Are you putting a 20 MOA mount on a 20 MOA rail? That could do it.

No, it's on an AR. The issue is the extreme height over bore.

>>34203464

I'll freely admit that my Vortex Viper optics aren't the bees knees by any stretch, but you're literally fake news if you don't think the Vortex Razor Gen 2 optics aren't world class.

>>34203474
>I'll freely admit that my Vortex Viper optics aren't the bees knees by any stretch, but you're literally fake news if you don't think the Vortex Razor Gen 2 optics aren't world class.

I don't see a single Razor Gen 2 in this thread.

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>>34203508

>>34203508

Well then you should have specified instead of making an uninformed sweeping statement then moving the goal posts.

I'm considering a vortex golden eagle as a new scope for a .338LM... Any one of you ever used one?

Would you buy a straight pull if someone made one for around the same cost as a Tikka T3?

>>34203945
/k/ is poorfag but 60x magnification is pretty ridiculous, usually that's for people who shoot at known distance targets for extreme precision, rather than long range for which 60 power is too much.

>>34204152
Cool, thanks for the input.
I just like the idea of being able to get as precise as I can, plus I think it will look cool on the rifle

First precision gun. Do i go for one of the nicer savages or a tikka?

>>34203464
You don't follow the data do you?
http://precisionrifleblog.com/2017/03/03/long-range-scopes-pros-use/

>>34204442

60x is made for F class shooters and rail guns. There is almost no way you could hold a rifle steady enough to see through the scope without mechanical aids at that magnification. There's a reason most competition optics don't got over ~25x, after that it's just too hard to get steady. Your heartbeat alone can be enough to make the reticle bounce around.

>>34204776

You won't go wrong with either. The savage has better aftermarket support and the ability to change barrel out at home with a few tools though. I also just like the Savage accutrigger

>>34203349
Details on the 22 in the magpul hunter stock?

>>34202792

It's actually quite pitted, and force matched. My guess is that it got polished when the Finns re-arsenaled it.

>>34202471
Can't beat the BIG BLACK STOCK

How can woodbois even complete?

How much can you learn about accounting for wind with a .22?

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I'm looking at getting a rifle for 600 yard matches soon. I already load for 308, so I plan to keep whatever I get chambered in that. So far, I'm looking at the Remington 700 Police or the Savage model 10 BA Stealth. I have a deer gun that I've been playing with at 200 yards, but most of my shooting has been 25 yard .22 bullseye matches or pistol matches.

Any recommendations on a nice heavy barrel gun in the $800-1000 price point? I've been leaning towards the 700P because of the 26" heavy barrel. The Savage just looks stubby to me with that 20"

>>34206671
.22 is pretty heavily affected by wind since it doesn't have much mass. As for learning to account for wind, I'd download a ballistic calculator app, something like Sterlok, it's free and easy to set up. You can enter your load data and get an idea of your holdovers at whatever range you enter. It's going to be different for every caliber and bullet, so you're probably best trying to learn with what you're going to use.

>>34202921
but thats the best kind you texan faggot

>>34203340
ill post mine when i get off
>kidd barrel
>volquatsen hammer and sear
>houge overmolded thumbhole

>>34203285
its funny how all you people buy $1000 optics and $4000 guns when you cant even hit anything past 200 yards... only a trained US MARINES sniper can pull shots like that off and you're not it!! always makes me laugh at the range... obviously none of you would spend as much on gear if you were MILITARY TRAINED but all you kids just want to "look cool"...

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>>34207085

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I got a black UBR, but I called magpul and the mad lads sent me a FDE cheek piece for free.

>>34203434
hi

newfag here - explain the scope level attachment wahts the purpose?

Is this the thread for all the rich people on /k/???

How much do y'all make a year?

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>>34207516
>newfag here - explain the scope level attachment wahts the purpose?

When shooting a rifle, you sometimes have a hard time to be sure your reticle is perfectly level. Being canted a bit at short range doesn't matter much, but being canted off the side at longer range makes a huge difference. Your elevation will start drifting you to the side and your windage will start affecting elevation.

In my scope mount, there's a bubble level under it, but it's not as useful as I imagined. I guess it's not easily visible enough since the monster of a scope is blocking easy view. I have to look under it, which means I shift my stance a little and that kinda beats the purpose of the whole thing.

>>34207570
>Is this the thread for all the rich people on /k/???

Precision doesn't have to be super expensive.

And besides, it's not hard save up if you set your mind to a goal?

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>>34206599
magpul hunter x22 trimmed to free float
chinese sling stud for bipod
magpul cheek riser kit
volquartsen hammer and sear
volquartsen thm barrel, black, threaded (was a custom order, now they make it factory)
volquartsen extractor
volquartsen takedown fastener
tuffer buffer
plastic extendo clip release from newer 10/22
tactical solutions 15 moa cant scope base
tps tactical 30mm low rings
vortex viper pst 1-4 ffp w/covered turrets
quake/vortex scope caps
diy overtravel screw
diy bolt catch
bx15 clips
swr warlock silencer
a ruger 10/22 rifle and a pile of unused parts

>>34207343
That's pretty cool of them, how did you couch the question? Like "I want to be different" or "Mine broke, need new one?"

>>34207659
Is that a lefty gun or is it mirrored?

Very cool rifle! What is the reach with that barrel?

>>34207741
>Text is readable.
Answered that one myself.

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>>34207741
>Is that a lefty gun or is it mirrored?

Yes, it's a lefty AI AT. I'm strongly left eye dominant, so I shoot rifles left, and shoot pistols right. Works well for me.

>Very cool rifle! What is the reach with that barrel?

What do you mean with "reach"? It's a thick & stiff 20" barrel, so it'll do fine to the standard .308Win ranges. But I never bought the rifle to shoot past 600m in the first place.

>>34207659
>Precision doesn't have to be super expensive.

Now is a great time to get into it for little money.

I've seen guys crushing it at the 1200 yd range with a Ruger American and some mid range Vortex glass.

Also why are there so many trips now? Fucking cancerous.

>>34207810
Would you recommend a ruger american over something like a reminton 700 varment gun?

>>34207951
>Would you recommend a ruger american over something like a reminton 700 varment gun?

Not him, but Savage is a way better start than either of those.

After that, you get into the Ruger RPR or Tikka T3 range.

And above that? Well, lots of choices depending on your specific tastes.

Remington has shit QC though, so stay away unless you know what you're doing.

>>34207951
>>34207980

I am him and I strongly agree with the Savage rec from anon.

My main varmint rifle is a Savage 12FV and from day 1 it's been stupidly accurate. I have two family members who bought almost identical models and all 3 shoot under 1/2 MOA.

I've replaced the stock and had the barrel threaded but neither of those were required mods.

I've also had great experiences with Howas. If you wanted an aftermarket stock or chassis you can even buy the Howa actions by themselves.

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>>34207951
Like he says >>34207980 Savage makes a great starter because the Accutrigger and Accustock are good enough to make your skill the limiting factor for some time. If you can still find the liquidated Tikka T3s for $480 that's a great buy too, though the light profile barrel on the Hunter and Lite will heat up more quickly than a Savage 10, 11 or 12 with a medium or heavy profile barrel.

Actually here's a vid you may be interested in:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmDWZeoJ43w

imo there's nothing particularly wrong with any of the Remington 700s other than the price. The quality isn't poor, but it's not as high as it used to be (not that they were ever "great") and the price hasn't gone down to reflect that. They'd be a good buy at 20% less.
t. 2000s era Rem700 owner

>>34207570

There are rifles and glass at almost every price point over $200, thanks to Primary Arms.

You can assemble a damned accurate rig for south of $1k these days, it won't be gucci but it will be functional.

>>34207718
I just told them I was building a two-tone rifle and if I could get a FDE cheek piece for the UBR.

They didn't even verify if I really had a UBR.

>>34207085
whatever makes you feel superior bub

>>34207085
This guy got it.
Same in my range, guys with 4k$ rifle and 2k$ scope but don't even shoot past 100yards, or can't hit further with cold barrel,
>huurrr wut dat "ballstic tabl" ?

Even a fucking 200$ rifle and scope can hit 1000yards.

>>34209662
>4k$ rifle and 2k$ scope
>200$ rifle

well at least I know where the dollar sign goes, fucking wannabe euro faggot.

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Stock is back to black now but the barrel is still raw stainless.

>>34209684
>ol up, check dis new raifu bro, I payed DOLLAR FIVE THOUSAND

makes sense

>>34209837
>i payed 5 "kay" dollar sign

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>>34209837

>>34209837
>every accounting system in the world is wrong, I'm right

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Sorry I'm late!

Links for /PSG/
>Group calc program
http://www.ontargetshooting.com/
>Ballistic calc and chart
http://www.jbmballistics.com/cgi-bin/jbmtraj-5.1.cgi
>Turret/ milling/ basic windage/ basic drop/ Practice
http://www.shooterready.com/lrsdemo.html
>Data books
http://www.scout.com/military/snipers-hide/forums/5539-diy/13433967-d-i-y-data-books

>Basic forum work
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rLfYLM48Ms [Embed]

>Glass basics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVF2pdHbX1M [Embed]

>Sniper 101 link for the lazy crowd.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwG-D0HjCBQ [Embed]


> Math suggestions to get you on target
http://www.millettsights.com/resources/shooting-tips/mathematics-for-precision-shooters/

>Blank dope book

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1S4g3GGWc_ZrLoRyxGRso5bMPRpHaAmyxvtIVj_INddI/edit?usp=sharing
>Pathsofglory's fap page
http://precisionrifleblog.com/

http://precisionrifleblog.com/2014/09/19/tactical-scopes-field-test-results-summary/

Are there good options for semi-auto .22s out there for making tiny groups without having to pay Anschutz-tier prices?
I think I kinda want an overbuilt pewpew machine with a giant scope.

>inb4 10/22

>>34211348
I hear the m&P sport .22 are decent... but honestly the 10/22 is kinda it.

>>34202471
What is this and what stock is that?

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>>34202933
I've been looking at the map in .308 what model would you recommend and with what chassis?

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>>34211348
10/22 is the only one that has so many really super excellent barrels available for it. You can put a $400 barrel on a $200 10/22 and have a serious shooter.

Old pic with old shitty Hogue stock.

>>34211628

It's offered from the factory by Mossberg with an MDT LSS chassis:

http://www.mossberg.com/category/series/mvp-series/mvp-lc-light-chassis/

I haven't shot one of these per se, but I've had several savages and was thoroughly impressed with them. The Savage 10 BA Stealth is a similar option. A Howa 1500 can also be placed in an MDT chassis.

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>>34211606

7.62 NATO/308 Win

MDT LSS chassis

>>34211013

>Pathsofglory's fap page

mfw

>>34211782
>$400 dollar barrel on a 10/22
These exist? That's fucking retarded. There are tons of custom 10/22 barrels that can be bought for $100-200 that will stack rounds into 1 hole at 100 yds.

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>>34212053
You know you love it.

>>34211606
>>34212053

>What is this

I read that as what caliber for some reason, see: >>34212042

It's a Mossberg MVP LC

>>34212057
>.22
>stack rounds into 1 hole at 100 yds
Literally no .22 on this planet will do that, especially not an autoloader. Don't be silly. It's pretty difficult and expensive to do that even at 50 yards with a bolt action.

Sub $200 barrels have merits, I have a Green Mountain that fits the category, but they are not in the same league as Shilen/VQ/Lilja. Even a basic bitch Tactical Solutions barrel is $250 so your mindset is pretty skewed, it's not 2003 anymore.

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>>34212057
Kek
>>34212262

>>34212262
>Literally no .22 on this planet will do that, especially not an autoloader. Don't be silly. It's pretty difficult and expensive to do that even at 50 yards with a bolt action.
I don't think it was meant literally, but Savage Mk IIs are definitely sub-MOA.

>>34212336
Post pics.

>>34212262
Maybe the autoloading 22s youve seen were shit. Have you seriously never seen a 10/22 shoot 1/2" at 100?

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>>34212344

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>>34212336
Please post some pictures of 100 yard groups from your Savage Mark II. I am highly interested, that is quite an accomplishment.

>>34212365
I literally posted pictures of my very own 10/22 groups at 50 yards. >>34211782

That is the screaming edge of the tip of the spear of the edge of the knife of the highest potential of .22LR in an autoloader, and I consider myself lucky to have done it for a handful of groups.

Like are you trolling? At least it's keeping the thread bumped, so thanks.

>>34212393
That rifle is in a hogue overmold stock and you're posting about accuracy? Your opinions are now completely invalidated.

Get a real stock retard.

>>34212336
I used to have a Mk II and getting tight as fuck groups was so easy it was almost boring.

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>>34212393
>Please post some pictures of 100 yard groups from your Savage Mark II. I am highly interested, that is quite an accomplishment.
They're sub-MOA, but not at 100m. The drop is too important. I don't have group pics, I mainly shoot steel, but you can trust me when I say that Savage Mk IIs are sub-MOA at 50m.
Furthermore, they can reliably hit 12" steel at 300m in stable conditions. Yeah, it surprised me too.

>inb4 MOAs are non dimensional quantities

>>34212523
This, Savage Mk IIs are fucking tack drivers.

All this talk about .22 lr as a precision rifle reminded me of this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fg808TYc2Ao

Guy shooting a .22 at 900 yards. Manages to get what looks like about 10-15 MOA groupings which is pretty amazing all things considered.

>>34212582
That's insane.
I knew CZ 452s were good, but holy shit.

I can't even shoot at 400m with .22LR, I don't have enough elevation.

>>34212607
I think there was about 300 minutes or so of holdover there. But the guy on this channel is nuts. 1500 yd shots from 5.56, mile with a .308, and so on. If the bullet doesn't drop to subsonic it's not worth his time.

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>tfw no local range longer than 300yds
Oh well, at least I got to ring in a brand new gong today

>>34212677
>300yds
pls
Try 200

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>>34212677
Have you considered, huh, I dunno..not ranges?

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>>34212436
mite b time to kys anon
>>34207718

>>34212524
Aw I'm disappointed

>>34212582
>>34212607
That's pretty nuts, my scope runs out of elevation at 350 yards with a 20 MOA base.

>>34212677
There's always innaplains if you don't mind schlepping your gear in and out.

>>34212701
No wide open public land where i live, it's pretty heavily forested. I could get to maybe a little over 300 on my property, but then I don't have decent benches, berms, etc.
I know a guy who is probably going to put in a 1000yd range on his property, hopefully that happens sooner rather than later.

Should I get a savage 10 FCP-SR for $450 or wait and save up for a RPR gen 2? want to get either in .308

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>>34212393
Not that guy, but you talking about 5 or 10 shot groups?

Pic related is 10 rounds of Eley Match from my mk2 fvsr in a boyds tacticool stock. (I torqued the screws for max accuracy as well)

To all those saying they are tack drivers, I would say they are accurate, but to be accurate you are paying for it in ammo costs. Eley Match runs around 27-45cpr for those that don't know.

You can save some money by using Eley Club or Eley Target, but as the savings per round go up so do group sizes. Eley club will open up to around 1.5-2 inches at 100M and Eley target will get to 3"

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Am I allowed here?

>>34213084
CCI AR Tactical CPRN 40gr are cheap and very accurate in Savage Mk IIs.

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>>34213084
Technically I shouldn't have mentioned groups at all, since the capability of a rifle should be measured spread over a large number of rounds rather than scattered groups. For example you might shoot three 1/2 MOA groups in a row, but if you overlaid those three groups the total spread may be greater. That greater number would be the actual accuracy of the rifle.

That's a great group for a Mark II tho mane, and certainly seems to be consistent. How does it shoot with middle-grade ammo like CCI SV?

>>34212794
This is purely opinion, but I think the RPR G2 is way overpriced. Ruger accidentally offered the RPR G1 at an EXCELLENT price, people went absolutely bonk-nuts for them, and without justifying the cost, Ruger raised the price on the G2. Yeah it comes with $50 in add-on doodads but it's not worth $400 more than the G1.

So on that basis I'd say stick with the FCP-SR because it's every bit as capable as the .308 RPR, it just isn't as sexy looking and doesn't come in that sexy as fuck 6.5CM that people love the RPR for.

BTW $450 is CRAZY low for a FCP-SR, like $200 below sale price, is that used or something?

>>34213238
Why not?

>>34213238
what the ever loving fuck is that monstrosity

>>34213238
I rarely go on /k/ but I work at a 25 yard max VERY busy shooting range. Wish long distance was closer to me but I've pushed it to 1100 yards

>>34213281
McCree precision folding stock, timney trigger, badger bolt knob, surefire brake

>>34213238
How do you aim?

>>34213269
>doesn't come in that sexy as fuck 6.5CM
Yeah it does
https://www.sportsmansoutdoorsuperstore.com/products2.cfm/ID/184267/22338/savage-10-fcp-sr-6.5-creedmoor-w-fde-stock

>BTW $450 is CRAZY low for a FCP-SR, like $200 below sale price, is that used or something?
Dude, seriously...do you even guns?
https://www.sportsmansoutdoorsuperstore.com/products2.cfm/ID/154881/22441/savage-10-fcp-sr-308-win-24%60-threaded

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Just a reminder that Ruger completely removed .243 for a complete meme round as a replacement and added .223/5.56.

>>34213296
Bushnell HDMR 3.5-21x50 with Horus reticle. No pics tho

>>34213297
Makes no sense, .243 is an excellent long range round.

>>34213304
6mm creedmoor is the same thing, but slightly shorter case length, allows it to load high weight vld bullets.

See 6.5 creedmoor vs .260 Remington

>>34213297
They were one of the only guys to do a 223 bolt gun properly. They've got enough COAL to do 80gr+ projectiles in their mags. I'm not gonna spend the $ on it though.

>>34212794
I've been hearing bad things about the RPRs in terms of

Unless you find ammo that your barrel just loves to death, you will not ever consistently shoot 1" groups at 100 yards with a .22.

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>>34213296
Weird, the 6.5 isn't listed on their site.

Also wow, why is the price so low? Are they coming out with a new one? I've never seen one under $600.

I've also barely looked. Hah!

>>34213366
Yep

>>34202471
Precision rifles that take AR trigger groups?

>>34212756
>mite b time to kys anon
I dont really get what you're saying. You post a 10/22 in a $30 rubber stock and complain about the accuracy then post a CZ when someone questions your logic?

>>34213500
Burts tarded, and very diabetic.

>>34213500
oops looks like your not very good at reading because i just read up that cringe quote chain and he boasted about accuracy rather than complain like u said and showed that he got the magpul stock instead of the houge which you cant understand

u might want to back to school i think

>>34209684
>well at least I know where the dollar sign goes, fucking wannabe euro faggot.

What does that have to do with being euro or not?

We write "€500" or "500 euro(s)", just like you do with US dollar(s)?

>>34213704
Shhh don't fight it, it'll only hurt more.

>>34213269
$450 brand new with dealer cost +$100 summer rebate.

>>34213269
At 100m CCI SVs shoot around 2-2.5", but I can put shots on steel at 300yds on a 10" round all day.
Now when I back out to 400yds, things get fucky because the trace becomes ridiculously hard to see, the ping is nigh impossible to hear or to watch it impact the steel thru my SS 12x42. I think it could also be my setup too since I'm not shooting from the prone at that distance so maybe I'm imputing forces onto the rifle that make it a more difficult shot.

>>34213268
I prefer to shoot rounds that are already subsonic because I shoot with a can and want to make sure I don't have to deal with the bullet potentially going trans-sonic in its flight.

What scope would you recommend for a Ruger American Predator? I'm not much of a long range guy but I have disposable income and want to get into precision shooting.

>>34214890
SWFA

>>34202942
>PRAY AND SAY

>>34214890
What caliber are you thinking about getting, how far do you want to shoot, and what is your budget for the optic in question?

>>34215217
6.5 Creedmoor, I want to shoot up to 1,000, and I have a couple grand.

>>34215250
Primary Arms 4-14x44 FFP mildot. If you decide you like long range shooting, I'd recommend getting a rifle with a thicker barrel, like a savage FCP-SR, or 10T-SR, or a Tikka CTR, then put a Vortex 6-24 pst ebr2c mildot on it and get into reloading.

>>34215250
There are 2 ways you can go on this route then, knowing that you have a couple grand to spend on the optic.

Since you are just getting into precision shooting, you may come to find out it just isn't your bag. Why would you want to spend a whole bunch of money on a rifle optic if you'll end up selling it or just don't use it any more?

You could go with like this guy >>34215095
said and go with swfa. You could get a starter scope like their fixed 10 power for $300 or a 3-15 for 600 and figure out if this road is something you truly want to go down. If it is something you truly enjoy and like to do then you could pony down the money for a more expensive setup at that time both for a better rifle and optic

(rifle would remain to be seen as to what you'd have on the market at that time and what your budget would be for just the rifle BUT optic wise I know you start to see a large degree in diminishing returns once you get past the 2.5k mark)

Now the other route you could go if you know this is something you will want to do long term is to buy your 3rd scope first. When I first got into precision shooting I bought my 2nd scope first which was a $900 optic (Bushnell 6-24x50 with a G2 reticle) and I was happy with that purchase for about 3/4yrs. It was a scope that I learned how to shoot with, and developed my shootings skills with. I also went with Bushnell because I saw they had a good warranty, and I preferred their turrets over the Vortex pst line. (I'd say the Vortex gen 2 PSTs have good turrets that would make choosing them or the Bushnell line nothing more than a coin flip.)

After about 4yrs I wanted something a bit better, and I had about 2-3 grand to spend at the time. I ended up going with the Steiner M5xi line which was one of the few scopes in the 5-25 mag range that was top tier while not costing 3500+.

(Cont.)

>>34215333
(Cont.)

Now in the 2500 range the king of the hill is the Vortex Razor Gen2. It gives you top tier optics without costing 3500-5000$ and comes with a top of the line warranty that few others gives, Bushnell being one of the only others that I know will warranty a scope that you fucked up.

So you could buy your 3rd scope first, and it'd look weird as fuck on a 500 rifle, but the optic would grow with you as you shoot and you can move the optic to better rifles as you go along or you can keep the lower end optics on the lower end rifles and have fully completed guns instead of swapping optics from one rifle to another. It is your call, but there is the info and how I went about it in my meandering in the precision shooting world.

Oh and not to be confused, I'm not the brit with the lefty AIAT and Steiner above. But I do have my own AIAT in a righty config.

>>34212701
where is this if i may ask ?

>>34215333
>>34215373
Thank you Anon. And I didn't plan to spend a couple grand on a scope, I just have that much to fuck around with in case there was some confusion.

>>34215466
Yeah I thought you meant for the scope only.

If you have a couple grand then I'd look at a better rifle like some tikka at around the 1k range and then look at like a vortex pst gen2 or a bushnell variety. that sort of combo will easily last a few years of shooting until you find something else that will move you up the food chain on shooting small groups.

>>34213664
Wtf are you even talking about? We're talking about 10/22s and the only pictures he posted were of a 10/22 in a cheapshit Hogue rubber stock and a CZ.

I need to go to school? You're the one typing like a 10 year old girl texting her bff.

>>34203349
details on the last two rifles on the right?

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>>34216872
My dude you need to calm down. The 10/22 in the Hogue stock is now in a Magpul X22 stock which I directed you to earlier: >>34207718

It shot those groups >>34211782 in a Hogue stock. I would assume accuracy would not have gotten worse since having moved to to a Magpul stock but since I changed to a 1-4x scope at the same time, it would be an apples to oranges comparison. I assume it is still the most accurate autoloader I have personally handled.

>>34216948
Savage FV-SR in Boyd's Tacticool stock, DIP """"""""bottom metal"""""""" with overtravel set screw, SWFA SS 16x, Leupold PRW rings. The other is a Thompson Machine Operative B CZ integrally suppressed CZ455, Weaver Super Slam 1.5-6, TPS Hunter rings, DIP scope base with YoDave trigger shim (A+++++ btw).

resurrection bump

>>34218190
I'm going to look into that 10 FCP over the RPR ASAP, if aesthetics and minor features like mags are the only real difference, the RPR doesn't warrant costing more than twice as much as the FCP

>>34218267

I believe I recommended the 10 BA Stealth, not the FCP.

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/8550/Firearms/Rifles/Savage/Savage+Centerfire/Savage+10BA+STEALTH+308

>>34218267
>>34218292

The 6.5 CM version is more optimal for long range

>>34218267
>>34218292
>>34218296

Fuck, forgot link

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/8552/Savage+10BA+STEALTH+6.5mm+CREEDMOOR

>>34218267
>>34218292

Damn, I can't get my thoughts together today...

The issue with the FCP is the awful Savage proprietary mags. You'll want something that uses AICS pattern magazines. Then you can just buy pmags.

I live in California.

If I want go get into precision .22, should I even bother getting an actual firearm or should I just get a PCP air rifle that I can shoot pretty much anywhere?

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bump for gods.

>>34202794
Also, I'm pumped about the guys at Patriot Valley Arms doing the Tikka prefit barrels. $550 for everything (and barrel threaded for a brake). The groupings I've seen from people that put those barrels on is ridiculous; seemed like 1/4 MOA groups or better. It'll also be nice to get a bit of a thicker barrel as well.


Also, those guys looking at savages should seriously consider the Cabelas 10T-SR; it's got a thicker barrel, isn't fluted, and has 5R rifling (for whatever that's worth). I'm not a fan of fluting. They had (as of a week ago) the 10T-SR in 6.5CM 24" but looks like it's out of stock for now.

>>34218336
Rimfire rifles don't have that many restrictions in CA afaik, just the 10 round mag limit.

Starting 2018, you have to buy ammo from licensed dealers instead of online though. And in 2019 you need a background check just to buy ammo. Up to you if you want to stockpile or just ditch it for airguns.

>>34218319
so, if mags aren't an issue to me, is the FCP still worth it for $450?

>>34219174
Deffo.

The Savage mags are only like $10 more apiece than Magpul AICS pattern ($45 vs $35).

$450 is a screaming good deal.

To anyone here who hikes out to their shooting spot, what sling do you use?

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is it possible to get a decent setup for 1k? preferably in 30-06 or 308

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>>34219142
I dug out some target ammo for you, next time I shoot I'll try the FV-SR at 50 yards with match ammo.

>>34219805
Absolutely, watch the video in >>34208705

>>34219812
sweet i will look around for one dem savages. im no fan of the PA reticles, is there a similarly priced optic with some decent magnification you can recommend?

>>34219812
>>34219918
Scratch that burto they have one with mil dots. and grabagun has the savage for $550 with $8 shipping. ty

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OK, /PSG/, I'm looking into going on an Elk hunt either next year or the year after. I plan on buying a 300WM, but there are so many options for rifles in that caliber. Unless others have recommendations I can look into? I was thinking a Rem700 in a different stock and some good glass on top of it, but I'm not really sure about that choice any more.

>>34219918
>>34220117
Ask this dude if he can get you one for $450 >>34214442 >>34212794

Also don't forget the $100 rebate
http://www.acusport.com/Images/PDF/SA207_SpringCenterfirePromo_Coupon_web_f.pdf

As for an optic, you could trade off the PA's variable zoom feature for greatly enhanced optical clarity with an SWFA SS fixed 10x at the same price, a great optic at twice the price.

Or you could take some of the money you saved on the gun and move up to a Vortex variable. I just went on the used EE and found two FFP PST 2.5-10x for $450 and a SFP PST 4-16x for $500!

Also wow, found a NEW one for $500:
http://www.eurooptic.com/vortex-viper-pst-4-16x50-rifle-scope-ebr-1-mrad-pst-416s1-m.aspx

>>34220343
>Also don't forget the $100 rebate
shit thats great.

>>34220381
this is the best option for that price point?

>>34220456
>>34220451

>>34219805
Don't do .30-06. Not if you plan to fire more than 10 rounds at a time.

>>34220521
i only say 30-06 so i can share ammo with my ping but that 308 savage is looking bretty good

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>>34202471
Apologies for being retarded, but what gun is that, OP? Looks incredible.

>>34220468
The PA is probably the best variable at that price (but it's kinda crap in the grand scheme, too many features, jack of all trades master of none).
The SWFA SS 10x is unquestionably the best fixed power under $700. Simple, no features, just optical quality.
The Vortex Viper PST 4-16 is imo the best second focal plane variable under $900. Great features, literally the best warranty on the planet, and because it's on sale now that the Gen IIs are out, a super awesome bargain to boot.

If I wanted to spend the full $1,000, I'd get the Viper PST. If I wanted some money left over, I'd get the SWFA 10x. I personally would not buy the PA because I'd rather rely on clicks than holdover.

>>34220570
That low power Garand ammo is garbo tho.

>>34220615
im going to buy the rifle now with the rebate and shop around for a scope. maybe come across a good deal on ee.

is it easy to replace the stock on that savage? its my understanding the accutrigger is bretty good as is

>>34220609
Looks like a Mossberg MVP-LC with a Vortex Viper PST 4-16.

>>34220643
Do look around but don't delay too much on that Viper 4-16 at Euro. Vortex prices their stuff like Apple so you don't ever see sales, every product is the same price everywhere. These are only on sale because the Gen IIs came out.

Most stocks and chassis are easy to drop-in, but you would probably want to bed a new stock. You do NOT want to bed an Accustock or a chassis. The Accutrigger and Accustock are pretty great for new shooters, it'll be awhile before you outgrow either.

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>>34220609
The rifle is a mossberg mvp iirc.

The stock is https://mdttac.com/lss-chassis-system.html

>>34220710
>it'll be awhile before you outgrow either.
figured that, thanks again senpai. ill be back in a week or so when it gets here.

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>>34220712
>>34220710
Cool, thanks. What can you guys tell me about it, if anything? My dad's been eyeing the Ruger Precision Rifle and I'd like to know how this stacks up, because I'm basically the one responsible for giving him suggestions/options.

>>34220815
I've got an rpr gen 2 in 6.5, haven't shot it yet.
I sold my mvp a while back as I didn't like how the bolt feels, it's an alright rifle but the rpr is geared more for prone long range shooting than the MVP, that said the mvp seems to be decent for a hunting rifle , if a tad heavy. Just imo.

any tips for sighting in my new savage axis XP with bushnell scope? my second rifle and havent sighted one in yet (marlin had fixed sights)

>>34221283
i'm a fan of sitting my rifle on a chair, pulling the bolt out and putting two dots one inch apart across the room on a slab of paper, the looking through the bore, and adjusting the scope so the cross hair is on the top dot. Socks and rice help. But that's the ghetto way to do it I suppose.

For zeroing, there are 1,000,000 vids on that.

>>34220815
I can only say that the MVPs I've handled had really crunchy, loose bolts. It's the decorative spiral cuts, they bind on things in the receiver and it makes it feel really cheap. The bolts of the two I've handled were also quite loose, like 1/2" of wiggle at full extension.

imo that's fine on the inexpensive $400 MVPs, but I wouldn't tolerate that from a $1,000 rifle when the Tikka T3 CTR, Bergara B-14 HMR and Ruger Precision exist without that grit and slop.

MVPs do shoot fine tho, not much difference between all those rifles listed in terms of performance.

>>34221283
3 shot zero:
Set up two targets, one at 25y and one at 100y (or whatever you want your final zero to be).
Fire a shot at 25y
Do maths to figure out how many clicks you need to adjust to move point of aim to point of impact (if at 100y 1 click = 1/4", then at 25y 4 clicks = 1/4" and 16 clicks = 1")
Adjust the crosshair to be 3/4" straight above the point of impact at 25y
Take a second shot at 25y to confirm, or skip straight to 100y. You should be very close to zeroed at 100y, another shot or two and you're there.

Once zeroed, let the barrel cool down for 10-15 mins with the bolt open then shoot a group of 3 or 5 at 100y to confirm that the group is centered around your zero. Finally, follow instructions to reset the indicator on your scope turrets to reflect the new zero.

>>34221071
>>34221532
Thanks, this helps a lot. I'm not familiar with the precision rifle scene, so I appreciate it.

>>34208705
Link to liquidated tikkas?

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>>34221866
They were on Euro Optic and many other sites for ~$500. Tikka released the T3x, so all the T3s got heavily reduced. I checked Euro Optic now and they're still trickling with a few T3s but they are $519 which is basically the same price.

Unfortunately the more popular calibers are now scarce.

http://www.eurooptic.com/tikka-t3-hunter-270-win-jrta318-with-rings.aspx

>>34220365
308 can be used for elk if you're <300yds. Nosler partition 180gr. If you're insistent upon a 300WM, tikka T3 lite/hunter will work great. Just be confident that you want to shoot a <6lb (before optic) 300WM enough to practice and get good with it. Even in 308 a rifle that light can be snappy, make sure you get a good brake.

>>34220451
>go to buy that vortex at eurooptic
>discontinued
welp guess i should have listened

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>>34202471
My dream raifu

>>34219812
I think a lot of the spread in the groups is still me

a better shot could probably do much better with my rifle

>>34217051
Pretty gun

whats some good 308 ammo to group with? not too expensive if you can help it.

>>34226894
Depending on if your rifle likes it or not, PPU can group pretty well. I got a couple good sub-moa groups at 100 yards not too long ago. Other than that, I'd look into federal gold medal if you really want to see what your rifle can do without loading.

>>34226039
rip sorry

The used one is still available for $525
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_7_163/1663468_Bushnell--Vortex-and-Burris-Scopes.html

It's scratched, which Vortex won't warranty, but if it's ever damaged or ineffective, Vortex will repair or replace it.

Sorry.

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I have a Vortex PST Gen II 3-15 FFP and I need to get myself a new rifle. What's the best out there in the $1000 range? Preferably something with a nice heavy barrel.

>>34227232
>rip sorry
ya i should have bought it but such is life. think im going to go with the PA 4-16X44mm illuminated mildot.

its only $160 so if i dont like it, its not a super big hit and itll keep me under 1k. what rings are good or should i stick with what the guy in that video used?

>>34226894
http://www.sgammo.com/product/308-win-762x51-ammo/500-round-case-308-win-match-168-grain-bthp-prvi-partizan-ammo-pp321

>>34227295
midway has a sale on warne rings. I love mine. Rock solid.


https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1592119587/warne-30mm-maxima-permanent-attachable-weaver-style-rings

>>34227332
sweet ill go with these. thanks

I was looking into getting a savage model 10 FCP in .308, then a friend convinced me to aim for a 6.5 creedmore instead. So is this rifle still a good choice?
http://grabagun.com/savage-100.html
It says it's a savage 10fcp but in 6.5, so should I run with that or should I look for another rifle?
And if I ever wanted to would a 7.62 silencer work for it in 6.5?

>>34227714
I've had good luck with heavy barrel savages. I haven't played with any of the model 10's, but at 200 yards, the model 12 BVSS I played with shot 5 rounds touching.

The 7.62 suppressor should work fine for 6.5.

How can I learn to do this with irons instead of optics? 50 yards with .22lr remington

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>>34227814
Forgot picture

>>34203340
Whats a nice bolt action .22 that works well for precision shooting for under $500

>>34227851
CZ 452

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>>34227814
>>34227839
if that's 50 yards with a scope, you should work on your general marksmanship before moving to irons.

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>50 yards with basic leaf sights
>star marks approximate point of aim

How am I doing? The guy in the lane beside me suggested that there might be a good amount of lead fouling the barrel given the gun is 80 years old.

>>34202471
What rifle is that?

>>34227942
>>34227839
If its 22lr that kind of grouping might just be down to ammo. Rimfire is already prone to inaccuracy, cheap sky even more so. Spring for a box of match ammo, see how you do.

>>34228080
see>>34212042

>>34227285
Pawnee?

>>34228146
Does cci or federal count?

Warning: highly autistic slop comparison methodology herein.

Bolt comparisons. Attempting to show binding, slop and general smoothness. Audio is important.
Remington 700 >>>/wsg/1733893
Tikka T3 >>>/wsg/1733898
Bergara B-14 HMR >>>/wsg/1733900
Mossberg MVP Scout >>>/wsg/1733903
Savage Mark II FV-SR >>>/wsg/1733904
CZ455 >>>/wsg/1733906

Trigger comparisons. Attempting to induce creep, overtravel and grit by gradually increasing pressure until break.
Remington 700 >>>/wsg/1733910
Tikka T3 >>>/wsg/1733914
Bergara B-14 HMR >>>/wsg/1733915
Mossberg MVP Scout >>>/wsg/1733917
Savage Mark II FV-SR >>>/wsg/1733919
CZ455 >>>/wsg/1733921
Nugget >>>/wsg/1733923

>>34229001
>nugget
wtf is that normal?

>>34215411
Arizona

>>34203295

Try a S&B PMII on for size.

>>34229966
not a fan of fixed magnification on bolt guns. im going to get that one off the ee

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>>34229001
>tfw none of the webms are loading

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Hello /psg/
i've been looking for an adequate scope that i'll be using from 100 to 900 meters range, so far i've found nothing good

here's my standards
>mildot or preferably mil line reticle
>knobs must have mil value
>has a very low minimum magnification and a good max magni (something like 2-20x or 3-20x)

oh, and i don't care about price btw.
pic unrelated

>>34230377
https://swfa.com/swfa-ss-hd-5-20x50-tactical-30mm-riflescope-1.html

>>34230272
Wasn't for me either, but click ahead to like 5-7 seconds after it's loaded just a bit. Then it should load.

>>34230377
That mag range, go for a March.
Lightweight, don't bother with an illuminated reticle

>>34230377
Razor gen2 4.5-27x

>>34230377
you can look at the S&B 3-27 or their 5-45, supposedly those don't tunnel like their older 5-25 counterpart so its a fully usable mag range.

youre gonna pay for the 9x mag range and the S&B name but itll tick off all those boxes.

All 3-27 models (they have 3 versions) come with 10m starting parallax adj as well. The 5-45 model starts at 30m.

>>34231180
just to add, the S&B 3-27 starts at 5000 and the 5-45 starts at 5500.

>>34228031
bump

I know my question may sound stupid but some feedback would be nice.

>>34229527
I only have the one but I assume so.

>>34230272
They don't want to load in Firefox for some reason but they work in Chrome. idk

>>34231906
What kind of rifle is it and how were you shooting? Standing, sitting, bench, prone?

>>34231919
>What kind of rifle is it and how were you shooting? Standing, sitting, bench, prone?

Remington Model 33 and bench. Also with pretty cheap ammo.

>>34231941
The guy's probably not wrong, you could try deep cleaning it if you have safe tools to do so. I'd try mildly better ammo first, like CCI. If you're trying to find out if the gun is inaccurate, prove your marksmanship level with another gun.

Would you guys get pissy if I post my fudd deer precision rifle.

>>34232217
/psg/ might as well be called poorfag shit general go ahead

>>34232271
Poorfag Snipah General

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would a T-Bolt be a good choice for precision shooting?