This is the ideal AR-15. You may not like it, but this is what

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I beg to differ

>>34197083
That's a good barebones and lightweight build.
I'd probably use polymer 20rd mags, a 14.5" pencil barrel with a pinned hider, and an upper without a forward assist, but as a flat-top (generally, I like carry handles though).
Don't know if I'd do anything with the front-sight post, maybe grind off the bayonet lug, but that's a tiny weight saving.
Also MOE handguards because those feel nicer.

>>34197167
USGI aluminum mags are lighter than many polymer mags though.

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>>34197226
I guess? But plastic is generally hardier.
Or I could go super light and slide a 10rd mag up in there, if I lived in an AWB state I'd have an actual excuse.

The CAV15 is really great for lightweight builds though, it should be more popular.

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>>34197255
They should probably just give up on the pistol grip and go with a thumbhole stock, that way they could shave some material while keeping the strength the same making the lower even lighter.

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>>34197269
I guess?
What I'd like is if they made a variant with a straighter grip angle.

>>34197255
I never really liked the carbine length magpul handguard, but that full-length one is making me feel funny

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Fuck, i'm in love.

>>34197083
Where are the rails?

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>>34197284
That's their Slimline type, they make them in all the same lengths as the regular ones.

>>34197299
We don't need rails where we're going.

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This makes me slightly uncomfortable and yet it excites me at the same time.

>>34197328
Utilitarian/10

>>34197339
I'd actually prefer if it had a 7' freefloat tube handguard and an exposed gas tube that is optionally spray painted black.

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>>34197255

>>34197083
Cav arms lower, I'm guessing that wasn't intentional and you are just a fuck up. Idiot.

>>34198881
???
It's one pound saved in the weight of the gun for literally no detriment to the gun's performance.

>>34198881
>implying the CAV15 lower isn't the only plastic lower that matters
>implying it isn't a genuinely strong product

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>>34197083
XM177 was best AR

>>34197083
>carbine length gas system
you fucked up. 20" with rifle length gas system is the best.

>>34199222
It certainly is slick.

If only Colt had designed the Moderator a little bit smarter (as in, make it actually serviceable, rather than it just gradually filling with carbon), it would have showed the world the advantages of the concept much better.

I really want to hope for the Hearing Protection Act, because if anything, we might see the resurgence of Moderators.
The XM177E2 with it's Moderator was described as having similar report to an 18" barreled Dissipator rifle, and the fireball is barely there

>>34197255
I can't tell with mid length, is that a 16 inch barrel or a 14.5 pinned and welded?

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>>34197083

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No

>>34200539

Neat stock and lower, what are they?

>>34200043
This confuses my boner

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>>34197083
No

No rails, no advanced optics, huwhee huwheee Nam issue level tech...

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>>34199222
Cant argue with them digits, but I'm partial to the Model 723.

>>34197301
Still not as light as a gym sock

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>>34197083

Just NO.

>>34197083
>No forward assist
Nope

>>34197083
>Less than 20 inch barrel and carbine gas system

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Digging the A1 carry handle though.

>>34203060
>forward assist
>a good thing

O I am laffin

>>34203152
It's not useless, but you can do without it just fine.

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>>34197255
>>34200043
These two anons have patrician taste

>>34197140
You see Ivan, you not of need throw flashbang if enemy is of blind by already rifle.

>>34197255
I feel like cloning this build

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>>34205004
Go for it. The CAV15 was initially made by Cavalry Arms, but the ATF assfucked them on a technicality so they went out of business. However, GWACS liked the design so much that they bought the rights to it and produce it today. It's the only good plastic AR15 lower on the market, and it's genuinely quite rugged and strong, you could totally crush someone's nose with the buttstock and the gun is just fine.

That one in particular is black, and appears to have it's stock cut down a few inches (for the user's preferred length of pull I figure), the grip has had stipling done to it.
They are generally just available in A2 length, but they come in many colors, even pink, if you think that's fun.

The handguard is a MagPul SlimLine, and I recommend you go for a pencil barrel with it, as a lighter front on a rifle build like this helps it balance better, as the lower and back of your gun will be lighter than usual.

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Here's one in OD green, looks very slick I'd say.

>>34205060
Wait aren't they A1 length?

>>34205066
Drop the forward assist and shell deflector and that is pretty much my dream general purpose AR-15

>>34205060
I very well might just do that, thank you.
Quick and weird question - I can tell that's a mid-length gas system, but I can't for the life of me tell if that's 16 inches or 14.5 with a pinned flash hider. Any idea as to which it might be?

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I put this together about a week ago, looks pretty good to me.

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>>34205070
Well both, they're basically the same length and profile, the A2 was basically just a different plastic IIRC.
I don't actually know what material the CAV15 is, I think it might be reinforced with glass fiber (but don't take my word for it).

>>34205077
I can kind of see why you wouldn't have a forward assist, you can get by without it, but the brass deflector I think is nice.

>>34205196
I don't know, you could reverse search the image, I think some guy build that and wrote an article about it.

A pencil profile 16" would be light enough and you have pretty good power, though if you really want to make a light gun, a 14.5" with a pinned hider would be lighter still (and then you could go even further with making it an SBR).

>>34205259
How's that stock feel? Is it as heavy as it looks?

>>34205259
Looks like shit

>>34200539
jesse?
>close cooper

>>34205263
a1 and a2 buttstocks are different length.
the a2 is only 5/8" longer but it is longer. it's more comfortable to shoot prone than a1 but if you're a manlet it can give you problems in other positions, especially if you prefer nose to charging handle, it can be harder yet to get there comfortably while wearing armor as modern soldiers do.
most line units are issued m4s at this point anyway and we aren't .mil so the argument over length is fairly stupid but on the upside a1 hipsters out themselves as the manlets, retards, or fatties they are.

why not allow interchangeable grips? thats literally one of the best things about the AR platform

>>34199902
mid length gas system is 9"
I think thats an 11.5" barrel
just a guesstimation tho

>>34205419
that and the buttstock are a big part of why the cav15 design holds up better than stuff like tn arms plastic lowers.
i don't think they have marine grade brass though.

>>34205419
Because the structural strength in the lower lies in that grip curve.

I do think they should make a variant with a straighter grip angle for the sake of options though.

>>34205515
>I do think they should make a variant with a straighter grip angle for the sake of options though.
when the length of pull is fixed it's not really an issue. less obtuse grips only really start to shine as you decrease LOP which is why you see them on 'gotta go as short as i can so i can be cool too' rifles.

CAV-308 when?

>>34205533
I don't know about you, but with the stock fully extended on my carbine, the A1 grip was still an uncomfortable angle to me.

Maybe I just have long arms.

>>34205544
That should actually be doable, shoot an e-mail to GWACS and see what they say.

>>34205265
It's very light, it's just an aluminum frame. It doesn't even have a hard cover for the buffer tube. I ripped the foam cover like a retard though, so I used Paracord instead.

>>34205272
y-you t-too

>>34197140
Not even its final form.

>>34200539
Does anyone know what this lower is?

>>34197140
A weapon to surpass the metal gear. It doesn't shoot it, it melts it.

>>34197167
That build would be NJ legal at least

t. NJ refugee

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>>34197083
>20 rd. Mag
>no cco, no optic of any kind
>no adjustable stock

>no fucking SLING

Pic related

>>34200043
Is that one of those funky occluded red dot sights?

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>>34197083
>no brass deflector or forward assist
>flimsy sling mount that's just a hole in the stock
>stock is completely a part of the lower and cant be removed
>that overall length
kys yyourself yankee CUNT

>>34199275
>Hearing Protection Act
I fucking hate this name. Why can't americans ever just say what they mean? There's spin and then there's overt dishonesty for dishonesty's sake

>>34197328
>>34197339

I have a setup that is pretty much that but with a triangle handguard and not-ugly lower. The highass optic is functional enough but will make you appreciate what a cheek wield actually does for your shooting.

The magpul furniture on that looks almost decent.

>>34200043
Those flashlights are such fucking garbage oh my god im triggered right now

I don't know how they made a flashlight so awful, even dollar store pocket lamps from when i was a kid that used the same kind of bulbs would light better than that thing. im pretty sure ive seen indicator lamps on server racks brighter than those fucking things.

>>34206242
>>34206420
Optics are good for many, though that's an individual thing, but the lower receiver is all polymer and fixed, which is a trade-off, it's not adjustable (which doesn't matter if it's long enough for you), but it's very light.

Slingmount probably isn't the strongest, but it's not like you can't attach a sling around the stock like you can on an A1 or A2.

>>34206459
American politics are never honest.
Come to think of it, politics are never honest anywhere else either.

>>34206606
>Come to think of it, politics are never honest anywhere else either.
true, but there's limits, this is ironic fedora-tipping levels of 1984-inspired newspeak shit

may as well have called the bill the "Double Happy Peace Zone of Play Time Act"

>>34206459
In European countries, suppressors are generally considered part of regular safety equipment.

>>34206923
My problem with it is that it's not an act about hearing protection. It's about suppressors and only suppressors.

It should be the Suppressor Act or Noise/Flash Dissipatior Act or Pls Gib Spec Ops Tactikool Toy Pls Act or something.

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Here's my reasonably lightweight build. Didn't want to give up the heavier barrel though.

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>>34205060
>>34205070

They're a1 length. The mods in >>34197255 are an upgrade package by a company called Echo 93. They shorten the stock, fit a recoil pad, undercut the trigger guard, and stipple the grip. Echo 93 has a deal worked out with GWACS where that the mods do not violate the lower's warranty.

>>34206242
You can use 30 round mags if you need to.
You can mount a scope or a red dot if you need to.
Adjustable stocks are for pussies.
You can attach a sling if you need to

>>34207062

>not a light barrel
>lightweight
>rails and nigger shit

Anon, i....

>>34206420
>no brass deflector or forward assist
Don't need em
>flimsy sling mount that's just a hole in the stock
It's not flimsy and there is literally nothing wrong with it, just attach a loop of whatever, a piece of paracord for example, and mount your sling on it.
>stock is completely a part of the lower and cant be removed
Why would you need to remove the stock?
>that overall length
???

>>34206465
But the ugly ass stock is what excites me, dem ounces bruhh.

>>34207884
>there is literally nothing wrong with it,
the second it hits anything it's just going to break off

it also just plain looks like shit and seems very short

>>34207905
I'd say the stock design is actually quite structurally sound.

Why would looking plain be a bad thing? Sure it's got no Guchi shit clamped on but so what?

>short
You mean the stock or the 16 inch barrel?

>>34202844
>Rober De Niro on the left

>>34207925
>looking plain
why are you putting words in my mouth, shill?

the problem is that it looks like cheap badly moulded plastic, almost like a toy or rubber training piece, and it clashes with the lines established by most common uppers.

>>34205259
looks like a skinny girl who you should buy a steak for

>>34207933
>why are you putting words in my mouth
Whoops my b

>the problem is that it looks like cheap badly moulded plastic, almost like a toy or rubber training piece
Isn't that the exact same thing they used to say about the AR-15 back in the day? That it looked like a toy?

>>34207962
>That it looked like a toy?
no it was actually considered very modern and cool, and plastic junk in the 50s/60s was in general considered very chic, just like linoleum flooring and that weird pearly stuff everyone's phone was made out of. the problem was that it was a cheaply made jam happy piece of shit, and the people selling it lied by saying it was "self cleaning"

and that thing's problem is that the curves on it are wider and the flat(ish) surfaces less well designed than on the rest of the receiver, making it look like a cheaply molded training toy that only won't break immediately because it's such a large piece (but will probably be impossible to clean and chip off like rubber over time)

>>34207875
I prefer fixed stocks anyway, there is no way for them wiggle at all

>>34197083
>16 inch carbine system

overgassed. not peak performance.

>>34208077
I really don't have anything bad to say about it except for that, the mid length gas system is optimal for a 16 inch barrel as well as giving you more space for your hand

>>34208077
Although I do prefer a forward assist and brass deflecter

>>34205903
yeah just needs an extended magwell and some pinholes changed

>>34206962
Okay, you do that. Now try to convince the GOP fudds that lost their hearing ages ago that suppressors are "needed" for hunting. Might as well be pulling teeth.

>>34197083
Okay that lower is fuck ugly but there is no debating 20rd mags are asthetic master race

>>34209299
>that lower is fuck ugly
but light

>>34199902
16 with a mid length I believe?

>>34197167
why would you grind off the bayonet lug? Were you molested as a lad?

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>>34197083
>Polymer lower

>>34205060
Really wish they made them in white so I could fulfill my stormtrooper fantasy.

>>34197083
First reddit now /k/ lol

>>34197255
Never cared much for the CavArms lowers, but everything else on this rifle is really well thought out and very simple.

>>34210171
/k/ was first dude.

>>34210162
You could just paint one, have it cerakoted and it'll last you.

>>34209708
Optional weight saving, and also because it wouldn't really be usable with a 14.5" barrel with a pinned hider anyway.
The CAR15s didn't have bayonet lugs because the barrel was too short.

>>34209722
Shit works, nigga, the CAV15 is genuinely strong and rugged.

This isn't like some old Bushmaster Carbon15 piece of shit where the lower is a plastic casting of an aluminum lower, the CAV15 is designed from the ground up around it's polymer, the fact that the grip and stock is monolithic with the lower is what makes it hold up.

>>34215749
This. I might not like how it looks, but I cant deny that its a well built and viable lower.

>>34197083
You've got good taste
I'm more partial to 303, but I admit that's a bit of a bias on my part.

>>34202940
Pretty sure the ideal AR-15 has internal components forged from steel, not Chinese plastic.

yeah I've had some GWACS

problems: no vickers sling, no SSA trigger

can't bitch otherwise, if you don't mind their pivot and takedown pins

>>34207880
>>>34207062 (You)
>>not a light barrel
>>lightweight
>>rails and nigger shit
>Anon, i....

Not a rail in sight. Put on your glasses.

>>34205259
>keymod
You had one job.

>>34205388
I'm 5'5 and A4 stock never mattered to me
>>34205419
changing grips, like changing stock lengths, doesn't fucking matter. Christ, AR people are slaves to advertisers
>>34207062
like this anon avoiding the original barrel profile for no reason
>>34208013
>jam happy piece of shit
ask ernie savage about that
>>34215741
bayo works fine on 14.5 pin ... because overall length is the same

>>34219295
>Christ, AR people are slaves to advertisers
I hate the A1/A2 grip angle a lot though, for someone like me it's not a bad thing to change it on a gun when possible.

>>34206368
Yes. I've got one, they are pretty neat.

>>34206470
Yup. I had to wear those things in the early 00s for military training and they were such shit. And fucking heavy. I'm pretty sure you could beat somebody to death with one.

I dig this whole thread

>>34197083
This is the rifle STONER would build if he were alive today and not dead.

>>34219295
I fully agree with you on the slaves to advertisers thing, but the original M16 did have some pretty serious issues mainly due to bureaucracy fucking up a good design.

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How y'all feel about Dissipators?

>>34223994
How does it have enough gas to cycle the gun? Large gas port hole or what?

>>34224599
Enlarged gas-port, yeah.

One could also use a silencer to increase pressure.

>>34225145
Everybody is saying that carbine length gas system is more violent than middle length, so why don't they just drill a smaller hole for the carbine length so that it matches the middle length?

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>>34224599
Most dissipators these days actually have a gas block thats further back from the front fight post. normally at the mid or carbine length spots.

>>34197140
Well, target aquisition certainly wont be a problem.

>free laser-eye surgery with every burglary!

>>34225501
What do you mean drill a smaller hole?

>>34225817
I don't get why anyone would want a fake dissy when you can have a lighter gun with a properly ported single FSB.

I've heard that having a rifle length gas with a 16" barrel is supposed to make for softer recoil, but I have no idea if that's true.

>>34225836
I can only wonder how much this thing weighs.

>>34226453
A lot of the traditional dissipators had reliability issues.

>>34226476
Well yeah, because they just cut down the barrels, they didn't open up the gasport to compensate for the change in gas pressure.

You'd get the same thing on an SKS, AK or FAL or whatever, shortening down the barrel means you *must* ream the gas port out, alternatively attach some kind of muzzle-device that gives you more pressure, either a silencer, or a dedicated booster (as seen on the AKs-74u)

>>34226453
The poster to whom i replied to said that dissipators dealt with the gas port being so close to the muzzle by making the gas port bigger so i just figured that since carbine length gas ports on 16' barrels are often said to be too violent so why not just make the hole a bit smaller for carbine length gas systems on 16' barrels.

>>34197083
the carbine length gas system on the 16" barrel will make suppressing it a bit more shitty.

mid-length and we'll talk.

>>34227037
it doesn't work like that, the pressure curve closer to the chamber is less conducive to operating the weapon and also less predictable.

short barrels with short gas systems are often extremely overgassed and break bolts.

>>34217900
The mlok upper wasn't on sale when I ordered it, and desu the only thing I use the rail for is to mount a front sight anyway.

>>34227059
Yeah they're overgassed so why not just reduce the gas port size? Wouldn't that reduce the gas pressure inside the gas tube?

>>34227241
>>34227037
>>34226593>
>34227241

The other big thing is the cost from the manufacturers perspective. If they have to bore out all these different sized holes then they have to have a bunch of different drill sizes on hand and need to spend time swapping out the bits on their tooling for different production runs. It makes more sense from an industrial planning and efficiency perspective to keep the hole the same size and just more around where its drilled into the barrel.

>>34227241
If the gas port is too small, you don't get enough gas so the gun shortstrokes.

>>34227279
Well obviously they'd be special order.

>>34228056
Since when has that been obvious, no ne has mentioned spacial orders at all. Besides for the amount of money that a special would cost, you might as well just buy a good quality factory barrel and have a gunsmith cut it shorter and bore out the gas hole for you.

>>34228148
I meant a special production run

>>34228056
>If the gas port is too small, you don't get enough gas so the gun shortstrokes.

Yes that is quite obvious what i'm wondering here is why don't they reduce the size enough for it to not be overgassed but not too much so as to it still having enough gas to reliably operate the gun.

>>34197140

It's missing a light.

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Anything more is for fags.

>>34228211
Remove burst-cam and make the barrel an actual hbarrel.

>>34228211
I don't know, the folding and collapsible stocks are pretty nice.